Making sense of the Asante deal
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Making sense of the Asante deal
Sheil Kapadia, Philly.com
As you've likely heard by now, the Eagles have dealt cornerback Asante Samuel to the Falcons for a seventh-round pick.
I've received a bunch of questions on Twitter about the move, so lets answer 'em here.
Q: Why didn't they just keep Samuel?
A: It's important to remember that this trade pretty much originated last summer when the Eagles acquired Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Nnamdi Asomugha. They made it known then that Samuel could be had for the right offer, but apparently, Howie Roseman was unable to complete a deal for the veteran cornerback before or during the season.
Before anyone calls me out, I was in favor of the Birds keeping all three. I was wrong. What I failed to realize was that none of them could play the slot. Greg Cosell of NFL Films recently pointed out the three traits associated with playing inside: coverage skills, ability to provide run support and the ability to blitz. The Eagles tried Rodgers-Cromartie in the slot, but he proved to be a terrible tackler, and he was much better later in the year as a cover man on the outside.
If the Eagles were to keep all three corners, one of them would have to be a backup, with Joselio Hanson (or perhaps a draft pick) playing the slot. So who would be the odd man out? It would have to be Rodgers-Cromartie, which could be an issue, considering he's a former Pro Bowler and entering a contract year. In other words, the pieces just don't fit.
One counter-argument to what I just wrote is: Shouldn't the defensive coordinator (Juan Castillo) be able to make it work? Isn't that his job?
And that's a fair point. The front office and the coaching staff must work together to make sure they have the right pieces and the pieces fit. They tried it with this group last year, and it didn't work. There's little reason to believe that would have changed next season.
Q: So, why not trade Roders-Cromartie or Asomugha?
A: Rodgers-Cromartie is only 26 years old and carries a salary of about $1.1M in 2012. He's a Pro Bowl talent and an asset, even if he didn't show it last year.
The Eagles just signed Asomugha last offseason, and he's due $11M in 2012. Would a team be willing to take on his contract? Doubtful. And as I pointed out in a previous post, while he struggled badly when opponents threw at him, Asomugha was only targeted 6.3 percent of the time, so quarterbacks stayed away from him quite a bit.
Samuel is 31 and was due a reported $9.5M on his deal with the Eagles. Again, this decision was made last summer, not in the last few weeks.
Q: But a seventh-round pick? Really?
A: This part is difficult to explain. Sure, Samuel's age and contract posed issues. But he still played at a high level last year. Considering the importance of the cornerback position and Samuel's ability to force turnovers, surely there had to be a better deal on the table, right?
Jeff McLane of the Inquirer has reported that the Eagles had a deal on the table with the Lions before last season for two second-day draft picks (either second-rounders or third-rounders), but the deal fell apart for reasons other than compensation.
One thing to remember is that Samuel had leverage in proposed trade talks because he had to agree to restructure his deal with interested teams. It was almost like a free-agent situation in that respect.
Still, it says something about the Eagles (a front office that has the reputation of often "winning" trades) that they were willing to part with him for a measly seventh-rounder.
Q: Does this mean the Eagles will draft a cornerback?
A: If you've been reading MTC, you know I've been on board with taking a cornerback early for weeks now. Mike Mayock has the Eagles taking South Carolina's Stephon Gilmore in the first round. Alabama's Dre Kirkpatrick could be an option too.
Later on, Georgia's Brandon Boykin could be attractive as someone to compete with Hanson for the slot spot (and he can return punts/kicks). Alabama's DeQuan Menzie projects to play the slot as well. Clemson's Coty Sensabaugh was Mayock's sleeper in his online series with Domo and could be a mid-round option. And the Eagles reportedly worked out LSU's Ron Brooks, who could be a late-round choice.
In other words, yes, I think the Eagles will come away with a cornerback in this draft.
Q: What about the players currently on their roster?
A: Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie project to be the starters. And as of right now, Hanson figures to be the nickel corner, but as I just mentioned, that could change, depending on who they draft.
One thing to remember when we talk about Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie playing press-man coverage on the outside is that the Eagles were very good at covering tight ends last season. Part of that was because they used Asomugha against Jason Witten and others. Castillo will have to decide if he wants to continue to move Asomugha around or just leave him on the right side.
Many have asked about Curtis Marsh, a third-round pick last year. I wish I could give you a real opinion on him, but he played only 13 snaps last year, according to Pro Football Focus. Ideally, he will have improved enough to provide depth behind Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie. But we'll have to see how he develops in the coming months and how much the coaching staff trusts him at the start of next season.
Brandon Hughes, who was originally a fifth-round pick by the Chargers in 2009, saw his most significant playing time against the Patriots last season, playing at right cornerback, and did not perform well. Then again, he was going up against Tom Brady. Not exactly a fair test.
The other corners on the roster are Trevard Lindley (a fourth-round pick in 2010) and D.J. Johnson (an undrafted free agent in 2009).
From earlier:
My mock draft roundup
Full Eagles NFL draft coverage
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Wow. What a salary dump. A seventh rounder? Castillo doesn't know how to coach Nnamdi. Rogers-Cromartie takes too many plays off. Asante was the best player we had in the secondary. Nate Allen is a bust. Curtis Marsh is a never-was. This team cannot draft for the defensive side of the ball for at least five years. What a sad franchise.— rubicon24- Total joke that they took a year to get this slop of a trade done. Roseman is a clown and the other two stooges are right there with him. Coaches can't figure it out and Reid is being clown of all. He couldn't put a 2 year old puzzle together on the floor if there were 4 pieces. What a total joke. Joe's counting his money and Howie looks a horses' arse and Reid is back in charge of creating more problems and drafting another worthless cornerback in the first three rounds. Good job Andy. Why don't you go flip burgers at Wendy's. They will give you a discount and you can eat half of what you make.— alwaysphil1
- Trading him instead of cutting him saves them 2million against the cap. I'm ok with it. But getting a 7th when we were told a 3rd or 4th...rough.— dragoon6
- all we heard for the last 2 years was that asante plays 2 hand touch. it's an open market. if all they could get was a 7th rounder in a league with about 16 teams in need of cornerbacks, that says it all. too much salary for too much age with too little interest in tackling. now people are going to miss him?— stopbooing
- "too much salary for too much age with too little interest in tackling" - that describes to a tee what Nnamdi produced last year
- I bet there were very, and I mean very few teams that he wanted to play for, and all he had to do was refuse to modify his contract. End of story— CDR Little
- Howie painted himself into a corner when he went out and overpaid Nnamdi last year to address a position that wasn't in need. Nnamdi got torched that badly being targeted 6% of the time, let's see what he does this year with that figure sure to double.
- Please keep in mind that TODD BOWLES is coaching the secondary now. I think we will see a night and day difference in the secondary play. Even though Juan is the DC, I still think Bowles will be given free reign to fix the secondary. By all accounts, this guy is good and knows what he is doing.— mish798798
- They had to get rid of a big contract to pay Shady. This one made the most sense. Mark my words, Shady will be resigned within a few weeks.— soybot
- we thought they had 3 starting corners, but based on last year now they have none!— banned
- we thought they had 3 starting corners, but based on last year now they have none!— banned
- Q: Why did Rodgers-Cromartie DUFF IT last season?
A: He wanted the Eagles to trade Asante Samuels so he could get out from under his rookie contract, to sign the same contract that Asante Samuels has right now.
Q: If Rodgers-Cromartie was unable to play the slot last season, and he showed little interest of playing to the whistle, what gives the fans any indication that he’s willing to play as hard as he can this season?
A: We “hope” that his need for a new contract will give him the added motivation "to" play harder this season.
Q: Why wouldn’t he just play hard for his new teammates?
A: I can’t answer that question.
— Laughingaloud123 - Cut him and take a 2 mil cap hit, trade him and not take a cap hit, or keep him on a defense where he doesn't fit and will only be a distraction in the locker room. No brainer, people.— beegal99
- The Eagles coaches should have seen that Cromartie wouldn't fit as a slot corner and requested the LB Washington in the Kolb trade. Then we could have kept Samuel and had an all- pro Lb entering the draft— ocfire
- This is the GM equivalent of a quarterback choking in the playoffs.— p-diddy
- How about the Eagles restructering the deal and keeping him?— P Even
- Have all you Ashante lovers forgotten that this guy does not tackle at all? good riddance.— blaqjaq
- Idiot Eagles fans complaining about a cover corner who doesnt tackle well. Samuel is an excellent CB and he will be missed— CSpangler
- At risk of sounding unpopular, I think this trade makes sense. Yes, the compensation is low. But in a salary cap world, Asante's $10M will now go to McCoy or Maclin. And who would you rather have on your team next year, an aged Asante, or McCoy? I pick Shady.— FKD215
- The interception machine had three, yes three, picks last year. How will they ever replace that fantastic production? Geez, even Kurt Coleman, yes Kurt Coleman, had four picks.— Penfold18
- I love fans of any sport who play fantasy GM in a bubble where no other GMs have a say in what they will give us in trades. LMAO. MORONS.— GNIKGNARLY
- Penfold, damn, you stole my thunder. (3) INT's last year? This combined with a) no tackling, b) no coverage on short screen pass plays, c) terrible attitude, d) etc. Wow, that sounds like a $10M/year player to me! I would trade Asante + #7pick = Nothing!!— chocolatethunder
- 100% agree that Eagles front office is idiotic. Asante trade could have produced nice value last year. Instead, we hold on too long, play with a mis-match secondary last year, then give him away. Good job FA!!— chocolatethunder
- Bad move -- we had one DB back who could intercept the football, now we have none. The two new guys were awful all last season -- torched, out of position, couldn't find the ball -- good grief -- so trade the one guy who could actually make a difference. Stupid.— sherry37
They got fleeced...why not wait a day when to had the lverage of the draft to at least get a 5th if not 6th rounder....Roseman and Banner are doing nothing to disprove Asante's comments that they are playing fantasy football with the owners money...its do or die for roseman and Reid this year— lib4- Regardless of how you feel personally about Asante, you can not disrespect what the guy has contributed while wearing mid-night green. A vocal leader on the field, three (3) times selected to the Pro Bowl [in four (4) years]. And yes he did only have three INTs last year, but the guy who’s taking his place had ZERO.
In every stat other than INTs, the man was one of the best in the entire NFL; Just read @ -- UncleStosh’s comment from yesterday to catch you up on who was the better CB in ’12!
“Every available statistic shows that Asante was by far the Eagles best corner in 2011(passes defensed, % of balls completed to his side, yards after the catch (who can't tackle?), targets, etc the list goes on and on. Nnamdi had a horrible season and DRC has been on the way out of the league for the last three years (no heart or desire). The Eagles got burned on Nnamdi when they signed a 31 YEAR OLD PLAYER TO A BRAND NEW 12 million a year contract for multiple years only to find out he is the Lance Parrish of Eaglesville. Byb the way, the HOF is filled with corners who couldn't tackle RB around the line of scrimmage. It's like criticizing Dan Marino because he couldn't run. It's really not all that important skill for a CB to have.”
— Laughingaloud123
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