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How Atogwe fits in with Eagles
Sheil Kapadia, Philly.com
The Eagles made it official Wednesday afternoon, announcing that they've signed veteran safety Oshiomogho Atogwe.
Here's a look at how he could fit into the Birds' safety picture.
Would Atogwe be given a chance to start?
My guess? Of course. It's not as if the Eagles are returning two Pro Bowl safeties from the 2011 squad. This was a weakness last season, and I'm surprised it took this long to add a veteran to the mix.
By my estimation, Nate Allen has a solid hold on one safety spot. Kurt Coleman saw reps with the first team at the other spot during the spring, but he could be unseated. I'm not saying Atogwe is the favorite to win the starting job, but it would make sense for him to at least be given a chance to compete for it during training camp. Isn't that what Lehigh is for?
What does Atogwe bring to the table?
In the next couple of days, I'll go back and watch some of the Redskins games from last year to get a better idea, but Atogwe's strength over the years has been his ability a playmaker. He has 25 career interceptions, fifth-most among active safeties, behind only Ed Reed (57), Deon Grant (30), Troy Polamalu (29) and Adrian Wilson (26). He also has forced 16 fumbles in seven seasons.
Asante Samuel had 23 interceptions in four seasons with the Eagles, but he's since been shipped to Atlanta. The Eagles' turnovers on offense were a huge reason for their failures last year, but the defense only created 24 takeaways, which tied for 17th in the league. Increasing that number has to be at least part of what they find attractive about Atogwe.
The safety position has evolved over the year, and pretty much all the Eagles' recent moves have focused on rushing the quarterback and defending the pass. Atogwe's ability to cover will likely determine his role.
What's with the timing? Why sign Atogwe now?
The Eagles had been linked to Yeremiah Bell earlier this offseason, but he signed with the Jets. So it's not as if the interest in Atogwe comes out of the blue.
Having said that, at this point in the offseason, they've had a chance to look at their roster during OTAs and mini-camps, and assess strengths, weaknesses and depth. It's unlikely that signing Atogwe will require much of an investment, so this shapes up as a low-risk move.
On the other hand, it's wise to temper any expectations that Atogwe is going to provide a major upgrade. He's 31 years old and battled hamstring, knee and toe injuries last season. It's June 20, and teams have 90 roster spots, yet he's still a free agent. There's likely a reason for that.
The plan would seem to be pretty simple: Bring him in, let him compete for a safety spot (either as a starter or potentially Allen's backup), and if you don't like what you see, cut him later this summer.
What does this mean for Jaiquawn Jarrett?
Maybe it means nothing, but more likely, it means that the Eagles are not getting what they want from the second-year safety.
Let's take a stroll down memory lane for a moment. The Eagles felt Jarrad Page was a better option than Jarrett at the start of last year. Page struggled, was replaced and is now out of the league.
To be fair, there's the whole lockout-shortened offseason excuse for Jarrett on that one, which has some merit.
This offseason is another story though. Coaches have given pretty big votes of confidence to last year's rookies like Danny Watkins and Jason Kelce, talking about how good they're going to be now that they've been able to spend more time on the practice field.
We've even heard players and coaches praise veterans like Nnamdi Asomugha and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, selling us on the idea that they'll be much-improved now that they've had time to mesh.
But we've heard nothing of the sort on Jarrett - at least I have not. Instead, he's been getting reps with the second team, and there's been no indication that the team expects him to be a serious contributor in 2012.
That's concerning.
There's still all of training camp to get through, so maybe Jarrett will end up winning the starting spot eventually. On the other hand, it's fair to ask at this point whether he needs to show something to simply earn a roster spot.
Assuming Allen and Coleman make the team, that could leave Atogwe, Jarrett and Colt Anderson likely fighting for two spots. Anderson is recovering from a torn ACL, and Andy Reid said recently that the special-teams ace probably won't start training camp, but is ahead of schedule (Les Bowen caught up with Anderson earlier this month).
Backup safeties need to contribute on special teams. Jarrett had two special-teams tackles last year (Anderson had 12).
There's no question that the Eagles will give Jarrett every opportunity to contribute after spending a second-round pick on him in 2011. But nothing is guaranteed at this point.
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This is another win-win. But they cannot keep all those safeties on the roster. I believe that Atogwe takes over at SS, while moving Coleman to backup, and more importantly, to special teams. It's way too soon to give up on Jarrett, so I believe that Anderson is the odd man out.— beegal99- I am a huge Colt Anderson fan, and it's good to hear that he is "ahead of schedule," but I have heard that too many times in the past to beleive it. Knees take two years... period.— Uncle Carm
- Kurt Coleman was the Eagles' best safety last season. Maybe that's faint praise, but what does that say about Nate Allen? I'm tired of hearing how good he is. Let's see it instead of hearing about it.— p-diddy
- It would be wise to use Jarrett as Hyrbrid weak side linebacker. Reasons would be he could cover better then existing linebackers in nickel and dime situations, he is a excellent tackler tht makes big hits and he definitely can blitz. Drop one linebacker from the 53 man roster and "think outside the box Eagles". He doesn't start as a linebacker but can be used in multiple defensive sets. Linebackers on Eagles are improving but still need help.— Alpha58
- Atogwe is brought in to give Eagles insight on REdskins defensive skemes. "Give us the play book and we keep you for a year" is the conversations.
Jarret has a low football IQ which is critical for a safety. Two special teams tackles is a good indication.
— LA Mike - If Atogwe can pass a team physical, he's had a nice career & we play his old team twice a year so he would be a very nice vet. pickup. Helps from a motivational (want to beat the team that let you go) and tendency (know former players/coaches) standpoint. It's a demanding position (much to learn) and training camp is rapidly approaching if the Eagles were going to do something in the safety position it has to happen v. soon. Ummm... wonder if the team could lend B. Dawkins a copy of the Eagles D. play book for some ideas for his son high school team that he's coaching this fall. Sequels usually don't turn out too good, never as good as the original - but..! Season goes well... injuries in the backfield... team could use help in playoff run... dream scenario - lol..! Even better when his # is hung against the Giants suit him up and let him play into retirement... What a party that would be...— highfive
- I'm sure Jarrett and Daniel Teo'Neshim will catch on somewhere else. It's not as if they were reaches or anything.— PinkstonsStrengthCoach
- Eagles need to cut players like Colt Anderson, Chad Hall, Riley Cooper, and 2-3 of those mediocre LB's. They are not NFL caliber players. I am also tired of hearing Nate Allen is good as not seen that on the field yet at all. To me he seems slow to the ball and seems to take poor angles when attempting to tackle. I hope I am wrong and he as as good or better then expected. We'll see this season and we should know about Jarrett this season as well. Go Eagles!— connorjr
- Cut Colt, best player this team on special teams, good idea..brainless move — crohnkiller
- As I was reading this I got a text alert that they signed him.— cpg410
- With the lockout-shortened offseason last year, Jarrett never had a chance to show his wares. The kid shows good potential and all you haters should cut him some slack. Besides, Nate Allen is a potential Pro Bowler and the Eagles now have some enviable depth so we may not be able to fully evaluate him this season. If Howie liked him, we need to give him the benefit of the doubt. You so-called internet scouts don't know anything.
- TNEaglesFan— guyguy4 - ...you shore-up the areas that are deficient - plain and simple. After spending wisely to re-up Cole, Jenkins and Babin, then drafting Cox at DT and then totally remaking their LB core - you can bet your last nickel they weren't going into the season with an Achillies' heel of a Safety core. Oh and they get Shanty Jr.'s crayon book too boot!
I'm sure Coach Bowles made it clear to AR that the young men currently in residence were not up to the task of shutting down the deep routes. Just another piece in the puzzle!
— Laughingaloud123 - Anderson made the special teams good, you don't give up on those type of players. Fans like to dismiss special teams, that's a mistake, a good group at special teams adds at least 2 wins a season (in my opinion) so having great special teamers is a must, just sayin'...— DJ
- There is probably a reason no one other than the Eagles had Jarrett high on their draft list.— Luriesucks
- Pinkstons - very droll.
DJ - absolutely agree re. Anderson.
If Anderson is healthy, Jarrett and Atogwe will compete for the 4th Safety position. Agree that low football IQ appears to be a real issue for Jarrett.— FishFryFrank - The real issue for Jarrett is foot speed and the fact that he never played in a pro style defense and man coverage. I haven't wrote him off but the 2nd round was a reach.
guyguy4 - why you putting my username on your post? You have something you want to relay, homie?- Anderson is an All Pro for special teams. Why would you consider getting rid of him? He is one of the best tacklers on the team. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at starting safety. A lot depends on how he recovers from the ACL.— fanup
- I think it's nothing more than adding some depth, like Sheil said, there is a reason this guy was still available. The entire safety group is full of marginal players, there isn't one guy that's a big hitter or a great cover guy, they're all deficient in both categories.— cannon00
- I'd like to think that the Eagles just added a veteran insurance policy that provides them with depth and flexibility at an important position...
I'd LIKE to think that, unfortunately given the front office's recent track record, I can't ignore that same old nagging feeling that what they really did was to again fail to address a critical and obvious weakness in their roster, and are again making the mistake of foolishly deluding themselves into believing that adding another fringe NFL'er at position that's already manned by a fringe NFL'er will somehow magically compensate for the lack of skill and physical ability their flawed roster has at a key position.
The problem's not the safetys this year, nor was it the linebackers last season. The problem is a front office that seems to be repeatedly blind to the obvious with respects to seeing the glaringly obviously holes in their starting lineup.— andyd - SO the Redskins were terrible last year. And they got rid of somebody because he wasn't good enough to play on a terrible team. And so the Eagles pick him up.
And you're asking if this was a good signing?
Seriously?— fmMD - and he is STILL better than all the safeties on the current roster. amazing. — coloradoeagle
- I'm going to be a total optimist and say that Howie made some real rookie mistakes with Jarrett, Te'o, etc. But I'm willing (hoping?) that he's smart enough to have recognized his earlier reaches in the draft and FAs and his latest moves on both those fronts will be much better. Remember, when Atogwe was leaving the Rams there were lots of folks on this board that really wanted the Birds to sign him; maybe he can re-gain that level? If not, not much risk here.— chesapeake
- I read that there were 23 teams that were poised to pick Jarrett high or low in the 3rd, 4th, or 5th round. Eagles beat them to it and I'm sticking to that story.— tommy_the_k
- Jarret is not smart. Have you ever heard him speak? You need to have some intelligence to grasp pro schemes. Bye bye JJ— blueye7
- Better lb play = better safety play, better lb tackling = better safety tackling, group tackles and not alone on an island. Less Asante Samuel = Better safety play. Hope Nate is fully healed now and shows that potential. This guy is just depth to a weak position. This move shows a spot they didnt address in draft or FA seriously enough. Although there are always spots like that on any given team.— peteike
- Don't they interview these guys before they draft them? I would think if you are planning on drafting a guy, especially in the 2nd Rd., there would be some sort of communication to judge his "football" intelligence.
- he is built like the Dawk...... i hope he comes here with likewise passion.— pr0f3ss0r
- Blueye7, so the degree to which one is capable of articulating one's self translates into ones IQ, football IQ at that? I think that's a tad bit premature given the time he's been in the system. Is he slow, yes ,not athletic enough, perhaps, but Howie Roseman, who is quite articulate chose him after studying him and found him good enough to be a second round pick when 31 other league general managers and football draft gurus did not. One's ability to articulate does not equate to intelligence. I do not know what George W Bush's IQ is, but one would hope that the president of the U.S. is intelligent correct? How well does he articulate. He mumbles and misuses words like the village idiot.— Eaglehaslanded
- good post chesapeake,people have real short term memory problems,last year Atogwe a was wanted FA and now he's a has been,they say washington signs old washed up players i say washington has a way of killing proven talented players,low risk-high reward potential,and thank the football gods he only spent one year in washington— greensob
- Kurt Coleman is a keeper. Classic over achiever. Nate Allen, i think the jury still out. Maybe he shows something. Jarrett forget about. Not smart or fast or tough enough. Maybe the kid from Syracuse surprises.— oldBird
- Why are Eagles fan so pessimistic? No wonder why we're known as one the worst fan bases.— Ace-Philadelphia
- oldBird is on to something. Sheil did not even mention Phillip Thomas. He is probably the best of the bunch. for political reasons they probably put him on the practice squad, but he should probably be the starter. Allen is a bust. Coleman, nice player in college, but too small and too slow for the NFL. JJ reach and bust. @alpha idea to use him as a cover backer is moronic. He cant cover to save his life. If OJ is healthy and Thomas gets a shot they should be the best safety combo. GoBirds!
— gobirds17 - still need a d-coordinator and another veteran lb— psualum
- --@psualum - Dude your glass isn't half-full, it's stained and cracked. Cheer up bro. better days are in front of you...!
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv— Laughingaloud123 - This gives the Eagles four decent safeties, and I include Jarrett in that mix. It looks like the weakest position, but maybe good enough if the other nine guys are playing well.— armchairGM
- I'm not selling Atogwe short. He's a solid safety with playmaking ability. I think it was just a numbers game that prompted him being available this late in the summer. I'd like to see him win the strong safety spot over Coleman. He has more range and is overall more talented.— MrMiles1
That Howie Roseman keeps wheeling and dealing. OJ'S experience will be an asset. The competition in camp will be magnificent. Jacked about what the finished product will look like. Let's Get It Ooooonnnn.- ya had me right up to the George Bush comment. then usddenly Jethro Tull lyrics sounded in my head.
'Your wise men don't know how it feels...
to be thick as a brick'— raoool
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