NHL, union find urgency
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NHL, union find urgency
Sam Carchidi, Inquirer Staff Writer
(UPDATED)
NEW YORK _ The momentum from Tuesday’s productive meetings between NHL owners and players stalled a bit on Wednesday as both sides got into a sometimes-heated, grind-it-out bargaining session that totaled almost nine hours.
Give the sides credit for their persistance and sense of urgency. Finally. They worked until 1 a.m., trying to hammer out a settlement.
Bill Daly, the NHL's deputy commissioner, said there was "good, candid dialogue" and that the union would get back to the NHL on some "open issues" that were discussed.
He apparently was referring to the NHLPA having a night's sleep to think about a proposal made by the NHL. It will make its response Thursday.
According to Sportsnet of Canada, the league has improved its offer _ from $211 million to $300 million _ in the "make whole" provision, which goes toward guaranteeing contracts. The union had requested $393 million, so the sides are close.
There are many other issues, including how to divide hockey-related revenue, free agency, length of player contracts and length of the CBA. The owners now want a 10-year CBA (with an "escape" clause after eight years), while the union seeks a five-year pact.
The owners agreed to keep free agency at seven years of service or at age 27; the league had proposed terms of eight years and 28 years of age.
Arbitration rights, which go into effect after entry-levels deals are completed, would also remain the same.
The players are unhappy with the five-year limits owners want to put on contracts, though the NHL tweaked its proposal, saying teams can re-sign their own players and give them seven-year deals.
Wednesday’s meeting had almost the same contingent as Tuesday's: Six owners, 19 players (one more than Tuesday), Daly, and Steve Fehr, special counsel for the players’ union.
Oh, and no NHL commissioner, Gary Bettman, or union boss Donald Fehr. Again.
Without those two leaders, there was much more progress made Tuesday, perhaps more than at any time in this 82-day lockout
Throughout Wednesday's sessions, the parties would meet for a while and then break into a caucus in another room, discussing the proposals among themselves.
At one point, Buffalo goalie Ryan Miller reportedly had some heated words for the owners, but regained his composure.
Much earlier Wednesday, owners and team executives were updated at a Board of Governors meeting. When the meeting ended, there were positive vibes.
Asked if he thought a settlement was near, Columbus president John Davidson said, “We feel good about the information we got.”
“I’m encouraged,” said Lou Lamoriello, the New Jersey Devils’ president and general manager.
One league source told me the owners will stay in New York as long as it takes to get a deal done.
Sportsnet said some coaches called players, asking them to be ready for an imminent return.
If there is a new collective bargaining agreement in place in the next week _ and that’s a big IF _ and the season starts on, say, Dec. 22, it would give the NHL a 16-week schedule. Playing four games a week, which would create a 64-game schedule, would be too exhausting for the players. It’s likely the NHL would have teams play three games in one week and four in the next, which would create a 56-game schedule.
One unconfirmed report said the league would like to open the season on Christmas Day. (What a dumb idea.)
But that’s jumping too far ahead. For now, there is a lot more negotiating that has to be done.
That said, there at least is a sense of optimism being generated around the NHL.
Bettman said he was “pleased with the process that is ongoing, and out of respect for that process, I don’t have anything else to say.”
Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, a hard-liner and a staunch Bettman supporter, declined comment before heading into the meeting between players and owners.
Giroux returns. Flyers center Claude Giroux, who injured his neck while playing in Germany on Nov. 17, returned to the ice Wednesday and skated with some NHL players in Ottawa.
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Its the same old story - you have to take the bull by the horns the middlemen Bettman and Fehr should be fired. And you can hate on the Devils all you want but Lou Lamoriello being there is a good sign. As far as Christmas day goes Sam you are an adult how clueless can you be? The Saturday afternoon games and holiday games for the kids and parents are the best festive crowds. Sport is supposed to be fun, and entertainment. That sport has been elevated and marketed up to such a high degree where people riot in the stadium and street, and parents throw punches - is beyond pathetic.— JourneyHome
ALL OF YOU HOCKEY FANS ARE NEANDERTHALS FOR WATCHING SUCH A VIOLENT SPORT!! PROFESSIONAL CROQUET PLAYERS SPEND YEARS PERFECTING THEIR TALENT AND THERE IS NO VIOLENCE!! EVOLVE OR YOU SHALL FEEL THE WRATH OF THE ULTIMATE PHILLY.COM TROLL MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!- Nobody cares about the Union? Somebody cared enough and was unoriginal enough to start using the Union's "DOOP" instead of coming up with something of their own for a Flyers goal celebration. The Flyers are the Yankees of the NHL without the titles to show for it. For all of the money spent and the top notch free agents they get year after year, to still show up as losers is nothing to be proud of. The really sad thing is that most of the new Flyers fans don't even remember (or care about) the Borad Street Bullies and the cups in the 70's, yet that is all you losers have to hold onto. It's understandable that you would not understand soccer, since you obviously don't even understand hockey...or else you'd know the Flyers suck.— emoshg
- Yo, knucleheads and haters.....this is not a Flyers versus Union story or issue....this is about a sport who thinks fighting is part of the game (thank you neandethal (sp ??) fans) and whose owners are so greedy and so rich that they could care less about the players and the fans....Suggest you spew your hate and your passion at the owners. There are other sports and many of the fans of one of this towns teams are also fans of another.....Stop being stupid and get upset at the issue....Greedy owners......Fighting among ourselves is foolish.— nuggett
- Don't fall for this optimism garbage. We've been duped before and we will be duped again if we're not careful. I will be optimistic if and when a deal is announced and then I will still be skeptical.
http://www.sportmentary.com/2012/12/are-nhl-fans-falling-for-bait.html— Selanne - Flyers Hockey, can't wait to put down $150 a ticket for a nothing game in February.— TEMPLE55
- 'Without those two leaders'
don't you mean, 'without those two obstacles'?
is anyone surprised that actual negotiating is suddenly taking place during negotiations now that the clown puppets are out of the room?— raoool - thinks I'd rather watch than soccer: volleyball, shuffleboard, curling, softball, croquet, cricket, jai alai, informercials, skiing, synchronized diving/swimming, tennis, bowling, and fishing— Ryan
Comment removed.- Hey "mac daddy zo"...you have to be the dumbest person on here by far. Do you even know how to read...he is on your side stupid!!!
Learn to read you @#$%&* loser!— emoshg - FIRE BETTMAN T-Shirts and more at:
http://www.cafepress.com/fbettman
The little, arrogant weasel must go!!!— joepuckster - I agree, soccer is just a snooze. I can't understand why it has so many fans in the rest of the world. I can't take watching a bunch of guys kick the ball back and forth for 45 minutes befor ANYTHING happens, then another 45 and maybe someone scores. It is just plain boring, worse than golf.— johnny rotten
- Soccer is by far the worst sport on the planet....games end in 1-1 ties.— StewieLavin27
- Union Fan! Kiddin Me! Go support them bums down at PPL Park. What a joke— StewieLavin27
- A fraud schedule and a fraud cup.— Drew777
- Who cares? Cancel the season.— Boru
- They have plenty of time, the NHL season does not even start until March. So they'll open the training camps in February and be ready to drop the pucks on 3/1/13. Woo Hoo!!!!!— lostInPhilly
- the NHL should always play a 64 game schedule. nobody cares until after new years anyway. the season is way too long.— Ryan
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- So that means you think every major sport has too long of a season except NFL. — iceman98989
- I care about the NHL! It's the best game in town and if you are even thinking that the Union is a good way to waste your money, go ahead! Get it done, players and owners, and just leave Bettman and jerk face Fehr out of it!— vietnamvet
- Those of us that can actually post a complete sentence with omitting such brainbusting words like "the".— aantny88
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- Apparently you do. You chose to click on an NHL story. — iceman98989
- Union Fan LOL — Bob Sacamano
- O I get... Its supposed to be funny because you are a Union fan... right? — Vanny1286
