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Thursday, June 18, 2009

 

 

 

Today's metro column on SEPTA's customer-unfriendly token policy has filled my in-box with other riders' rants. I'll snip their names, since I'm not sure they were looking for publicity - just looking to vent. Some vented about SEPTA. Some vented about me. Either way, it's interesting reading.

 

Here's one:

 

Dear Mr. Rubin:

 

I read your SEPTA piece with interest. It was complete on-point. Recently, I travelled to Bangkok. This city has a VERY friendly subway and elevated train system with customer service representative and cashiers who want to help. Now, I speak no Thai, but was able to freely travel on its system without any problems. Yes, the cashiers make change, including change for large bills, then direct you to the automatic machines. The automatic machines can be used in English as well. Imagine that. In addition, during my first ride, the cashier suggested that I buy a monthly pass rather than pay the per ride rate, even though I was only there for one week, as I would save money. She was ride, as I used the entire monthly allotment in one week. I will not start describing the clean stations. You could eat on the floor, it it were permitted.

 

I have used public tranportation in other countries, including the lightrail (subway) in Guadalajara, Mexico and express bus in Quito, Ecuador. Both made change and help me, a tourist, navagate the system. SEPTA could learn from third-world countries that PROMOTE tourism and public transportation.

 

Last, let me share this story. Several weeks ago, I had a job interview at Broad and Spring Garden. Now, I rarely ever use SEPTA. First, its timetables cannot be trusted. Second, it is dirty beyond measure. However, I used it this one day. I made an error and exited the subway one station short. I realized this as soon as I cleared the turnstile outside the change booth, but prior to exiting the station. Immediately, I went to the cashier and explained my situation. I added that I was a tourist. (A SEPTA tourist, that is.) He was without mercy. He said that I must pay another fare as I exited the turnstile. I explained that I was lost, and that he saw me just pass the turnstile. He demurred. I asked if I could purchase a token, and he demurred. I asked if he took credit cards, and he demurred. Now, many U.S. systems and foreign systems take credit/debit cards. He said, "This is SEPTA, and we just don't do that. We only take cash." I gave him the two dollars and he buzzed me through. Well, he did thank me for riding SEPTA. HA. A gallon of gas is cheaper.

 

Well, again, I only use SEPTA is I absolutely must. This is rare event, and I live in South Philadelphia. On a good day, I walk from my residence to Center City rather than ride SEPTA. On the contrary, when outside the U.S., I always take public transportation.

 

Thanks for reading.

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Here's one from a reader who ripped me:

After reading your article about SEPTA, I think you're complaining too much and that SEPTA is rarely your first or only choice of ride (your 2 year apart examples have given me that clue). I'm not a shill or apologist for the system but i at least ride it about 300 days per year( over the past 30 years) so my information is more based in reality than someone who treks to the occasional game in south Philadelphia. SEPTA, like most large cities across the world, has had an exact change system for about 20+ years. It also has other options for payment of fares if you chose to check out their web site. I'm sure when you were in Europe, you did some homework about the transit system. I'm sure that you did not alight the subway steps in Prague without some idea of what you had to do. I'm going to Lisbon next week and I have be reading and searching the Internet for for the best way to use their transit system. I suggest that you, as a perpetual tourist in your own city, do the same. Did you know that most supermarkets sell tokens along with passes. So does Rite Aid whose stores are awfully difficult to locate. And instead of using smarmy examples to solidify your argument (the cop and RR guy) try asking people who ride the system. I'm sure they will give you some material to work with.

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Here's a nice travelogue from another baseball fan:

Mr. Rubin,

Your column today got me thinking about an encounter in Montreal in 1992. We traveled by bus, then subway, to see the Montreal Expos play at their stadium. After the game, we took the subway back to get the bus,but the bus was not running at that late an hour. I asked the woman cashier at the subway booth for help. She responded in French, and was not disposed to help us at all. I noticed that she was reading a book. She didn't even look up at us. I said," It is okay if you don't help us, but don't pretend that you don't know English when you are reading a book written in English!'

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A reader filled in a critical hole:

 

Per your column today concerning buying SEPTA tokens, I can answer your question as to "why". Back in the summer of 1968 PTC and Red Arrow (SEPTA's predecessors) subway cashiers and vehicle operators would make change for passengers. Urban crime caught up with the system and cashiers and drivers were being robbed at gunpoint. Philadelphia, like most cities, converted its transit systems to "exact fare" and the employees no longer had cash. It's been that way ever since.

At that time PTC did not offer tokens or any kind of multi-ride discount. Passengers paid the full fare each time they rode. Passengers transferring between Red Arrow and PTC had to pay two full separate fares since they were two independent companies.

A few years after SEPTA took over PTC and Red Arrow it introduced discounted tokens and commutation passes. SEPTA also eliminated the double fare for Red Arrow riders and allowed pass riders to ride free on certain commuter trains and vice-versa. (Many people have forgotten the numerous fare discounts SEPTA has introduced over the years. Frequent riders pay much less, adjusted for inflation, than did riders years ago; occasional riders pay the same.)

Unfortunately, today urban crime remains a problem. Today we have bus drivers brutally beaten over a transfer, and people murdered in the subway just for the heck of it. If cashiers or drivers had money to make change, they would be targets for crime.

SEPTA subway cashier booths are not bullet-proof. It would be nice if they were, but that would be very expensive. New York City has bullet-proof booths but these were extremely costly to build leaving the NYC system with a large deficit today. The same applies to fare vending machines, while popular, they are expensive to install and maintain (and often broken). The NYC transit system has luxury of far more state and city support for capital projects than SEPTA enjoys.

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And finally, a tip:

Hey maybe you could write about how PATCO is using a DIFFERENT "dumb card" than SEPTA. So you still can't easily transfer between the 2 systems. Currently PATCO's dumb card takes longer to read in the turnstiles than the old tickets and charges you max fare with no warning if it doesn't read it in time. You have to check every time you get off their trains to see what you are charged on their dumb cards. Unlike Easy Pass, no monthly statements are sent.


Posted by Daniel Rubin @ 2:06 PM  Permalink | 12 comments
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Posted 02:28 PM, 06/18/2009
rayricketts
ONLY in PA do I hear so many people offer the "if you're in such a hurry you should've left earlier" justifications for the way things (don't) work. Yes, with advance planning and research you can get tokens, passes, etc., but the point is ANYONE should be able to get tokens easily and take public transit, advance planning or not.
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Posted 11:30 PM, 06/18/2009
Pelti
Its hard to compare a chronically underfunded, underappreciated system like septa to the well funded, heavily used systems in other countries. In the united stats, virtually all of the transportation subsidy is spent promoting sprawl and waste by building out the highway system, and by building expensive superhighways in the middle of nowhere to justify spending transportation money in empty states. after that the subsidy goes to the airlines, for bailout after bailout of companies whose ultra-rich executives play a shell game of severance packages to rob taxpayers blind. Despite the fact that more Americans ride the rails every day then fly in a year, airline subsidies dwarf those spent on public transit. And highway spending far exceeds airline and transit spending, not just on a dollar per dollar basis, but on a dollar per passenger basis. Balance the spending to reflect how people travel and commute, and instead of fighting for survival, septa and other transit agencies could be aggressively expanding
Posted 11:50 PM, 06/18/2009
Tharn
Amen Pelti.
Posted 12:39 AM, 06/19/2009
TU Owls
Mr. Rubin, as an avid SEPTA rider, at least I was as of a month ago, I can say I've had mixed experiences. But for the most part my experiences have been bad. Forget the obnoxiously loud people, the trash, the smells, the homeless people, and everything else. SEPTA employees (for the most part) don't care, everyone knows that. And although I voted for Obama and Nutter, I'm EXTREMELY disappointed that the country and the city are actually was wasting millions to renovate Broad and Girard station. I've been getting off at that exit for the past three years, and they sell drugs in broad daylight on that corner. So we're spending millions so the drug dealers have a nice place sell their drugs, great expenditure of money.
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Posted 04:50 AM, 06/19/2009
FJG JR
What good does it do, to complain. Nothing is taken serious in this City, when it comes to transportation. Traffic jams, events, and Septa, are a daily part of life's worse woes. Ever rode the 15 out Girard? You won't have to go to Great Adventure.
Posted 03:31 PM, 06/19/2009
jfar86
Well said Ray Ricketts. SEPTA fails to realize that as a service provider, customer convenience should be its goal.
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Posted 05:44 PM, 06/20/2009
MBW
I ride Septa almost every day, have for the past 30 years. The suburban trolleys during rush hour are stuffed to capacity and run on capricious schedules, worse in the afternoon. Smoking on the platform at 69th Street. Loud trashy people cursing at their children and arguing with baby daddies on their cells. Tattoo encrusted zombies on their way to the meth clinic. Bums stinking up the El, moochers begging in the afternoon, guys selling bootleg movies and dubious incense in the evening. Kids throwing water ice at each other, scraping their names into the windows. Adults spitting out sunflower seeds onto the floor. Soda bottles and cans left on the floor. Kids yelling at each other from opposite ends of the car. To blame Septa for this mess is ridiculous. The scheduling, perhaps, but Septa shouldn't have to be the nanny for unruly, uncivilized people, nor should they have to clean up the filth left behind by the ignorant. It's those riders who make the trip and service so unpleasant that should take a look at themselves and realize that they are a big part of the problem.
Posted 02:43 AM, 06/21/2009
designer
I've never been the the US, but i know public transport in many countries is a pleasure to ride. Johnny Hjemmeside
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About Daniel Rubin
Since joining The Inquirer as a staff writer in 1988, Daniel Rubin has reported from 27 countries, but most of them were small. He's a metro columnist and has been the European Correspondent for Knight Ridder Newspapers. For two years he sat at home and wrote Blinq, the paper's first daily blog. Now we make him come to work. Dan began newspaper work in Norfolk and Louisville, Ky., after getting his undergraduate and graduate degrees from Northwestern University. He has lived in all four commonwealths, most recently in Pennsylvania. He teaches urban journalism at the University of Pennsylvania

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