Phillies Nation

After enduring Saturday night debacle, I came away with a very unexpected perspective - Mets fans are not that bad.  The sense of entitlement among Red Sox fans is galling.  At least Mets fans expect (and I suspect even want) to have a beer dumped on them or worse.  On the other hand, Red Sox fans were like some uninvited houseguests that walks mud across your carpets, plops down on your couch, kicks off his shoes and commences cutting his cheese encrusted toenails, and justifies it all by explaining that it's okay because he's putting all the clipping in a neat pile on the coffee table.

My more immediate thoughts on their behavior can be found at http://phillyville.blogspot.com/2006/05/adopt-puppy-punch-red-sox-fan.html

With all due respect, I'd think Red Sox Nation was the one to be proud of this weekend.  Honestly, the fact that Phillies fans had to "drown out"(I think you have selective hearing) Red Sox fans by booing is just ridiculous.  What you're saying is that your fans couldn't cheer on the Phillies so they had to boo the Red Sox fans.  And it's really sad that it was at least 70% to 30% Red Sox fans in that building.  If the practically new stadium didn't smell so nice, I'd have thought I was in Fenway.  Oh yeah, that and my seats didn't face the center field wall.

BOO HOO.  Stop complaining about Sox fans celebrating in your stadium.  Philly fans have long been known throughout the country as having the worst behaved fans in all of american sports.  Ever watched a game at the old Vet?  Remember the jail cell?  Further more, all of your teams are terrible every year.  76's, Eagles, Phillies?  I'll give you a pass on Hockey, but who cares about pro hockey anymore.

I live in MA, and I traveled down to Philly for the Saturday and Sunday games, and I had a great time. In both games I thought both Red Sox and Phillies fans behaved themselves very well, and I wouldn't hesitate to come down to Citizens Bank Park again. It's a wonderful stadium!

Red Sox Nation should be proud simply for the fact that we had so much support in a city that's 5 or 6 hours away from Boston. I for one drove down to Philly with some friends for the weekend to cheer for my team. Will Phillies fans drive up to Boston later this summer to start 'Let's go Phillies' chants throughout Fenway?

Sunday night my friends and I were sitting in the left field second deck and had some 'interesting' Phillies fans yell some questionable comments at us. The first chant yelled at us by a not-so-intelligent Phillies fan was 'Win your division.' To which we turned around and replied 'Win yours.' Recall that the Red Sox have more recently won their division ('95 vs. the Phillies '93). After we shut him down with that, he came back with 'Airport Security' as his new chant. Needless to say that is probably the most tasteless, useless chant ever.

So what did I learn while at the games in Philly this weekend? Red Sox fans are dedicated, love their team, and have passion for the sport. Phillies fans? Not so much.

To Phillies 'Nation:' When the Sox and Phillies play later this summer, take the trip up to Boston like so many of us did this weekend, sit in the stands, cheer loudly for your team, and chant 'Let's Go Phillies.' If you can pull that off, maybe you truly deserve the name Phillies Nation.

I just have to laugh whenever the Philly media takes shots at other team's fans as if Philly NEVER makes fools out of themselves.  You don't think packs of drunken Eagles fans travel to other NFL stadiums and act obnoxiously?  When Philly fans travel, the local media calls it "passion" and writes books about it, but when someone else comes here, they're mooks.

I was there Saturday night.  First, I saw Red Sox and Phillies fans mixing pretty nicely.  Second, there was no "drowning out" of the Red Sox cheers - you're just being a homer.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Daniel Rubin

Homer? Dude, I'm from Sharon.

Grade A Philly douche bag. Sack up and sell out your own ballpark you homo's.

Phillies and Sox fan here:

I went Saturday and Sunday, wearing a different hat to each game.  Initially the huge contingent of out-of-town Sox fans enjoyed some good will in Philly, but those days are waning.  With each Sox win, Phils fans grow more and more confrontational. It culminated in the Phils rout of "to-be-avoided-at-all-costs" long reliever/"nothing-short-of-profoundly-horrendous" starter DiNardo. Some overserved jackasses were yelling at anyone with a Sox hat/shirt (13 year old kids included); I guess the bravado comes naturally to a team that's won one game of their last six, but I digress.  These sporting fellows hurled a string of scatological invectives at a middle-aged mother of three after she told him to keep it down.  

It was by all accounts pretty hostile (particularly yesterday with the Sunday crowd) and apes like ruby legs further display this "civility" while the papers congratulate Phils fans for accomodating their boorish Sox counterparts? Pretty transparent.

I understand the frustration of having a large group of another team's fan base in your house, but I'd remind you that if the Phils could average more than a 65% capacity crowd (around 30,000) at home, fewer of those seats would be taken by New Englanders. 

Why the fervidity over a meaningless interleague series? I'm not sure I even want to go back to CBP for another Sox game, I'll stick to the Mets series; we all know there will be tickets available...

Phillies and Sox fan here:

I went Saturday and Sunday, wearing a different hat to each game.  Initially the huge contingent of out-of-town Sox fans enjoyed some good will in Philly, but those days are waning.  With each Sox win, Phils fans grow more and more confrontational. It culminated in the Phils rout of "to-be-avoided-at-all-costs" long reliever/"nothing-short-of-profoundly-horrendous" starter DiNardo. Some overserved jackasses were yelling at anyone with a Sox hat/shirt (13 year old kids included); I guess the bravado comes naturally to a team that's won one game of their last six, but I digress.  These sporting fellows hurled a string of scatological invectives at a middle-aged mother of three after she told him to keep it down.  

It was by all accounts pretty hostile (particularly yesterday with the Sunday crowd) and apes like ruby legs further display this "civility" while the papers congratulate Phils fans for accomodating their boorish Sox counterparts? Pretty transparent.

I understand the frustration of having a large group of another team's fan base in your house, but I'd remind you that if the Phils could average more than a 65% capacity crowd (around 30,000) at home, fewer of those seats would be taken by New Englanders. 

Why the fervidity over a meaningless interleague series? I'm not sure I even want to go back to CBP for another Sox game, I'll stick to the Mets series; we all know there will be tickets available...

Phillies and Sox fan here:

I went Saturday and Sunday, wearing a different hat to each game.  Initially the huge contingent of out-of-town Sox fans enjoyed some good will in Philly, but those days are waning.  With each Sox win, Phils fans grow more and more confrontational. It culminated in the Phils rout of "to-be-avoided-at-all-costs" long reliever/"nothing-short-of-profoundly-horrendous" starter DiNardo. Some overserved jackasses were yelling at anyone with a Sox hat/shirt (13 year old kids included); I guess the bravado comes naturally to a team that's won one game of their last six, but I digress.  These sporting fellows hurled a string of scatological invectives at a middle-aged mother of three after she told him to keep it down.  

It was by all accounts pretty hostile (particularly yesterday with the Sunday crowd) and apes like ruby legs further display this "civility" while the papers congratulate Phils fans for accomodating their boorish Sox counterparts? Pretty transparent.

I understand the frustration of having a large group of another team's fan base in your house, but I'd remind you that if the Phils could average more than a 65% capacity crowd (around 30,000) at home, fewer of those seats would be taken by New Englanders. 

Why the fervidity over a meaningless interleague series? I'm not sure I even want to go back to CBP for another Sox game, I'll stick to the Mets series; we all know there will be tickets available...

Phillies and Sox fan here:

I went Saturday and Sunday, wearing a different hat to each game.  Initially the huge contingent of out-of-town Sox fans enjoyed some good will in Philly, but those days are waning.  With each Sox win, Phils fans grow more and more confrontational. It culminated in the Phils rout of "to-be-avoided-at-all-costs" long reliever/"nothing-short-of-profoundly-horrendous" starter DiNardo. Some overserved jackasses were yelling at anyone with a Sox hat/shirt (13 year old kids included); I guess the bravado comes naturally to a team that's won one game of their last six, but I digress.  These sporting fellows hurled a string of scatological invectives at a middle-aged mother of three after she told him to keep it down.  

It was by all accounts pretty hostile (particularly yesterday with the Sunday crowd) and apes like ruby legs further display this "civility" while the papers congratulate Phils fans for accomodating their boorish Sox counterparts? Pretty transparent.

I understand the frustration of having a large group of another team's fan base in your house, but I'd remind you that if the Phils could average more than a 65% capacity crowd (around 30,000) at home, fewer of those seats would be taken by New Englanders. 

Why the fervidity over a meaningless interleague series? I'm not sure I even want to go back to CBP for another Sox game, I'll stick to the Mets series; we all know there will be tickets available...

Phillies and Sox fan here:

I went Saturday and Sunday, wearing a different hat to each game.  Initially the huge contingent of out-of-town Sox fans enjoyed some good will in Philly, but those days are waning.  With each Sox win, Phils fans grow more and more confrontational. It culminated in the Phils rout of "to-be-avoided-at-all-costs" long reliever/"nothing-short-of-profoundly-horrendous" starter DiNardo. Some overserved jackasses were yelling at anyone with a Sox hat/shirt (13 year old kids included); I guess the bravado comes naturally to a team that's won one game of their last six, but I digress.  These sporting fellows hurled a string of scatological invectives at a middle-aged mother of three after she told him to keep it down.  

It was by all accounts pretty hostile (particularly yesterday with the Sunday crowd) and apes like ruby legs further display this "civility" while the papers congratulate Phils fans for accomodating their boorish Sox counterparts? Pretty transparent.

I understand the frustration of having a large group of another team's fan base in your house, but I'd remind you that if the Phils could average more than a 65% capacity crowd (around 30,000) at home, fewer of those seats would be taken by New Englanders. 

Why the fervidity over a meaningless interleague series? I'm not sure I even want to go back to CBP for another Sox game, I'll stick to the Mets series; we all know there will be tickets available...

Phillies and Sox fan here:

I went Saturday and Sunday, wearing a different hat to each game.  Initially the huge contingent of out-of-town Sox fans enjoyed some good will in Philly, but those days are waning.  With each Sox win, Phils fans grow more and more confrontational. It culminated in the Phils rout of "to-be-avoided-at-all-costs" long reliever/"nothing-short-of-profoundly-horrendous" starter DiNardo. Some overserved jackasses were yelling at anyone with a Sox hat/shirt (13 year old kids included); I guess the bravado comes naturally to a team that's won one game of their last six, but I digress.  These sporting fellows hurled a string of scatological invectives at a middle-aged mother of three after she told him to keep it down.  

It was by all accounts pretty hostile (particularly yesterday with the Sunday crowd) and apes like ruby legs further display this "civility" while the papers congratulate Phils fans for accomodating their boorish Sox counterparts? Pretty transparent.

I understand the frustration of having a large group of another team's fan base in your house, but I'd remind you that if the Phils could average more than a 65% capacity crowd (around 30,000) at home, fewer of those seats would be taken by New Englanders. 

Why the fervidity over a meaningless interleague series? I'm not sure I even want to go back to CBP for another Sox game, I'll stick to the Mets series; we all know there will be tickets available...

"Buy a six-pack.  It's the only way to get a sold-out Red Sox or Yankees game."  Know what that means?  The only 2 series that can sell out Citizens Bank Park are when the Sox or Yanks come to town.  Then, the Phillies use those 2 series to sell you 5 more tickets to games that nobody wants to see anyway.  Ha, the phillies don't even have a city, let alone a Nation.

This sums up the sounds heard at Citizen's Bank Park over the weekend:

Red Sox Fans to their team: "Let's go Red Sox!"
Phillies Fans to their team: "Boooooooooooooo"

Do Phillies fans ever cheer their own team? I heard more lusty boos directed at the home team than at the Red Sox. It's almost as though you guys wait for your team to screw up just so you can heckle them. 

I agree that when visiting a rival's stadium, we Sox fans should show respect for the other team's fans. As someone else said here though, Philadelphia fans are the WORST in all of sports. There were a lot of stories about large groups of Eagles fans encircling women Pats fans and getting hostile and threatening. One woman told of a group of Eagles thugs who threatened to sexually assault her daughter. 

The incident you wrote about is heartening, but it doesn't suddenly crown the Philly fans as the Kings of Decorum.

Philadelphia...what a town. I went to a Giants/Eagles game wearing a Giants jersey and was PUNCHED three times. I'm also a die-hard Red Sox fan growing up in New England and last summer, the Phillies fans were very passive. Seems to be an Eagles town for sure. Face it Philly, Boston owns you. A Super Bowl, a recent WS title and the fact that when it comes to playoff time, I'll take my chances with Paul Pierce over Iverson any day of the week.

This post is pathetic. That you even had to write something like this belies the inferiority that Phillies fans felt all weekend. The unspoken truth remains: the Phillies are not that good despite the right side of your infield, which is great. Charlie Manuel? C'mon...

I think it's a matter of team success/history versus city fan psychology. The Phillies, as with all Philadelphia sports franchises, are in a championship drought since the early 1980s. They have won only one world series championship (1980) despite having one of the longest histories in the NL. Their recent pennant was 1993, which was another heartbreak year for Phillies fans in the World Series. They have not been in the postseason since that year. Compare that history with that of the Red Sox, the Phillies are lacking in nearly every success factor. Adding that to the Red Sox's dominance in interleague play, its win over Philly in the 1915 WS (not really much), and the Red Sox sweeping here in 2005 and almost doing the same again this weekend, Phillies fans are of course not happy with all the Red Sox fans flooding in their ballpark. I think all the history, past and recent, has made the city and its sports fans (maybe except the Eagles) sullen and slightly pessimistic about the chance for any kind of breakthrough. Sure, Philly has great franchises with great teams but like the Red Sox under the former "Curse of Bambino", the citizens do not fare well when their teams are losing. They thus boo more than they cheer, be it the opponent or their own team. With the Red Sox having much more national appeal than the Phillies and fans nearly everywhere, and coming off the 2004 triumph, I think it adds bitterness to the Phillies fans and more smugness to the Red Sox Nation. Obviously, losing the series to the Sox after being swept in Milwaukee is not the best of times in Philadelphia. But that's how things go. If the Phillies do manage to squeak by and win the division (that's a miracle by itself) or even the NL wild card, the fans will definitely change in their mood/demeanour. 

This is one of the most pathetic articles I've read.  "Chalk one in the victory column?"  
Philly fans and especially residents of Philadelphia should be happy that so many members of Red Sox nation are spending money in your city.  
Sox fans like to travel to see their team play and enjoy different ballparks.  Why is that so offensive?
The author of this article's worst complaint is that the Sox fans had the audacity to cheer their team on.  And booing that is something to be proud of?  I've been to a few other stadiums myself and the best response is for the home crowd to cheer for their team, not to boo.  But rarely do Sox fans get drowned out.  
At Fenway we don't have prompts to get cheers going, we start them ourselves.
If cheering my team on is deemed offensive, consider me public offender number one.  

I'm a sox fan who made the trip to Philly for friday and saturday's game.  Both games, I sat in a section which was atleast 60% sox fans.  Friday night was a great experience; the Phil's fans I met were perfectly nice, and took everything in stride despite the loss.  Saturday however, it was incident after incident with phillies fans.  5 minutes after getting in the ballpark, while talking with some fellow sox fans, a 20 something phil's fan just walked up to us and told us we were all going to 'suck his phillies balls tonight.'  very clever.  Later in the game, after moving down behind the sox dugout in the 8th inning because all the phillies fans had left a couple of hundred empty seats, a phillies fan called the usher over and had us removed, simply for sitting there.  The fan then preceded to tell us 'thats how we do it in philly,' call us 'fair weather fans,' and tell us 'we pay for our seats in philly' while he grabbed his balls.  Apparantly he is unaware red sox fans not only pay more for tickets than any other team, but suffered through 86 years of heartbreaking losses.  Oh, and by the way, the usher escorting me out of the section heard all of this and saw the phil's fan grab his balls, but did nothing, even when i called him on it.

So overall, it was a very mixed review for me of phillies fans.  Some were very nice, others could easily fit in on the south side of chicago.  Atleast yankees fans know the game and can come up with something better than 'red sox suck.'

Growing up in Philly, I always had a soft spot for the Sox, since they seemed to be under the same kind of black cloud that bedevils the Phils.

That said, it was a comedown last year, when the Sox were in town, to see people who waited almost a century to win a Series take less than a year to start acting like Yankee fans (the world's only sore WINNERS).  

You're kidding, right? In 2004 I remember when Philly came to Boston. You guys were out in DROVES. Thome jerseys everywhere. The bleachers were full of loud obnoxious philly fans.

I actually found the atmosphere to be quite entertaining. As far as I'm concerned, a Philly fan complaining about a Red Sox fan being too raucus is like the pot calling the kettle black. Spare me.

Let me get this straight.  The biggest crime the Red Sox fans committed was daring to go to Philadelphia and cheer for their team.

With all due respect, Mr. Rubin, that's ridiculous.

I've been to  Philly for the Sox/Philles games and been in Fenway for the same.  The only difference in the fans being that the Boston fans IN Boston made sure Phillies fans didn't buy up all the tickets so the Phillies fans never had the chance to out-cheer the Boston fans.

You don't want the opposing team cheering in YOUR ballpark?  But the tickets and get to the games.  Don't begrudge Red Sox fans because they make a better showing than the home team fans.

phillie needs to grow up. when the greatest attraction of your city is a cheese steak sub you've got serious problems. talk trash when you win something, anything a spelling contest, just shut your mouth's

"But the tickets and get to the games."

That should read "buy" the tickets.

Red Sox fans aren't running around like we're "sore winners." That's the most assinine comment I've ever heard. We have always followed our teams around. We followed the Celtics in the 80's and 90's and even today, the Red Sox for many many years up to today and the Patriots get a tremendous road following. Maybe if you cared about your sports teams instead of busting on other cities, you might have a decent following too.

I think Philly fans smell like dog poop and that the Phillies also smell like dog poop.

Remeber when 76er fans booed Santa Clause? enough said, and just because phillie fans have a bad case of trophy envydoesn't mean that Sox fans can't cheer thier team on! That's ridiculous, isn't this baseball? I guess the nation really hurt the feelings of a once proud organization...that hasnt put a winning team on the field in 26 years, next time phillie fans want to boo the opposing team's fans, they should turn to the owner's box and hiss at them, it's not Red Sox fan's faults that a losing franchise has available seatingfor the visiting team!

"There's a lot, a lot of culture here."
"It's like a baby New York."
"What's there to do in Philly? Oh, boy."
"We got the Liberty Bell."
"Cheesesteaks."

"next time phillie fans want to boo the opposing team's fans, they should turn to the owner's box and hiss at them, it's not Red Sox fan's faults that a losing franchise has available seatingfor the visiting team!"

- Yeah!

Rocky was the man though, I'll give you that.

I went to Geno's one time.  I saw a hot sauce dispenser that had a "Caution: Extremely Hot!" warning on the label but thought nothing of it 'cause I can't get enough of the spicy.  Cooks from inside were staring at me through the window in disbelief as I loaded that sucker up.  I took one bite, wasting my entire large Coke trying to cool off my tongue and had to give my cheesesteak to a more manly person (my friend's dad).  I blame this emasculating experience on the situation in Citizen's Bank Park this weekend.

Sal Fasano looks like a 70s porn star and his "Pals" are gay by association.

Do you think Rocky ever trained hard enough to get to the point where he could literally crap thunder?  Hopefully Rocky 6 will tackle this issue.

so, BC out for the year, Marco?

Graduation today, I'm at work on campus but everyone else is at the ceremony so I've nothing to do but roast Philly fans with sharp parody.  I guess I could go see Condi Rice speak...

Daniel Rubin, you look like Coach Bill Yoast from Remember the Titans.  That is, if Coach Bill Yoast from Remember the Titans had a salt and pepper goatee.

While I agree that Phillies fans need to step up and buy tix for their own home games, I also have to say that Red Sox fans are by far the most annoying fans in MLB.  Cheering for your team on the road is one thing, but you'd better expect anything and everything that is thrown at you whether it be physical or verbal.

The first person who made a post on this blog is right, Sox fans come into stadiums on the road and cheer there butts off, but as soon as you make a comment to them it's like you just kicked their dog, and they can't believe that you made a comment to them.  "Well I nevah kid....what ahh you a losah?" 

My advice to Red Sox Nation (I hate that term. Terribly juvenille and needy.)  SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP unless you are man/woman enough to take the beating you illicit from home fans.   

Red Sox Nation juvenile and needy? Call it what you want, but they are the best fans in baseball. When you have that many fans, of course you are going to have some bad seeds. When you go to Fenway, you don't see many visiting team fans unless they show up with some Sox fans of course. So take your "nevah" and your "losah" and educate yourself on how a fan base should really be...

Yeah!

That was a ridiculous article. Sorry your team got beat. They played crappy. I thought it was great to hear the crowd roar when Ortiz smashed that homer. If your fans didnt sell of their tickets it wouldn't be a problem. Lousy team, lousy fans, lousy city.

It's always interesting to see a game where more people show up to support the visiting team than the home team.  The home fans taking pride in trying to drown out the visiting fans by booing, rather than supporting their own team, is the typical and pathetic response, though it's still a step above booing Santa Claus.

It's sad that the best comeback Phillies fans had for a pro-Sox chant was a "lusty boo". Pathetic. Don't complain about Sox fans loving their team and traveling to another city to follow them if your own fans can't manage to sell out a weekend home game for god's sake. Or piece together a "Let's go Phillies" chant.

Reminded me of the time Sixers fans booed their own team when Barkley returned in a Suns uniform. I bet the team appreciated that.

Oh, and I love the Philly fan who said Sox fans are "juvenille"... and then said they should expect to have things thrown at them. That kid is wicked retahded. 

Philly sucks, EOS.

All this crying, now I see where McNabb gets it from.

"CMN", the term "Red Sox Nation" was coined by a sports writer, not the fans nor the team.

There is nothing juvenile or needy about it.  It describes the fan base to a tee.  Covering the entire nation. 

Really, I can't believe what poor sports Phillies fans are.  I was there last year and it was very different.  What a difference a year makes.

I'd have to say that the rudest, most disrepectful, and entitled fans in sports belong to the Yankees.  If Philly fans can't deal with somewhat cocky and emboldened Sox fans in their house, then they shouldn't bother showing up when the Bronx slime, with their 26 rings, descend.  Or are the Yankees fans excused for their behavior because they have the "tradition of winning?"

It's a stretch to believe that Phillies and Red Sox fans really give a damn either way about each other.  If there's any resentment harbored over the Sox recent success, I would say those affected people should focus their frustration on the management that presided over the futility.  Similarly, I think some intelligent Red Sox fans have realized that the real Curse was the decrepit and antiquated Yawkey trust.                       

Red Sox Nation seems to be missing a crucial point - there is nothing wrong about cheering for your team. In fact, Philly is all in favor of cheering for your team. Problem is, the fans who filled CBP over the weekend spent little time actually cheering for their team. The cheers were entirely self-referential. They were there solely to cheer for themselves. Like some giant circle jerk performed for the benefit of Philadelphia. 

Such behavior is annoying because, at least from the average Philadelphia fan's perspective, cheering unconnected with your team's performance on the field seems calculated only to piss us off.  

Im from Southie and went down to philly for the 3 game series. to tell you the truth im surprised so many people actually made that trip to that dump of a city. The reason people go to away games is because there is no way in hell you can get tickets at fenway other than from a scalper for 300$. The cheesesteak sucked. the phillies suck. and the yankees suck. 

Philly fans---maybe if you come to boston when we play you, youd actually be in a nice city and get to get out of that place that shouldnt even call a city.

Boston fan here but not in Philly this weekend-

I find it funny that a story about how some Philly fans were chanting obscenities so loudly at a Red Sox fan who was, gasp!,  rooting for his team, that they subsequently got the RS fan (initially) thrown out of the park is some kind of 'moral victory' for Philly fans.

This article goes back and forth between chastising Red Sox fans, to chastising Philly fans and then celebrating Philly fans finally when ultimately admitting the Red Sox fan shouldn't have been kicked out in the first place.

Admittedly, I've never read anything written by you Mr. Rubin but I'm willing to bet this article took you a total of ten minutes to write.   

By the way folks, everyone who turns this into a chest-puffing contest by citing all of our recent sports championships and dissing Philly sports...why would he care?  He's from Boston.

Unfortunately he seems like an apologist Red Sox fan who rips his team and fanbase when given the opportunity.  A watered down Shaugnessy-if I had to guess from this one article.  

Interleague play also provides an opportunity for Orioles fans to visit Philadelphia, and they have always been friendly, amiable fans.

The annoying thing about "Red Socks Nation" (why the x, by the way?) is the pathetic forced cuteness of it.  Oh, woe is me. Quit your whining, you bunch of precious prisses. Now that your team spends like the Yanquis, and you won a world series, you lost any charm your team once had.  The Red Socks have become the Baltimore Orioles, without the nice fans....

Josh,

Nice failed logic/inferiority complex.  Red Sox fans travel thousands of miles on the road to cheer their team on.  They do not spend exorbitant amounts of money and travel time just to "cheering unconnected with our team's performance on the field seems calculated only to piss you off."

Get over yourself cock-smack.

Loud noises!

Cock-smack?

Dan- Your pathetic Phillies once again were dominated by the Sox and their fans this past weekend, and now your blog is being completely dominated by Sox fans.  Talk about Phillies Pride after you take a series from Boston.

you build corporate sponsored park with dimensions akin to a little league field, you jettison players who matter for a year in philly (thome, rolen, wagner, etc. soon to follow will surely be ryan howard) you let a good manager go in francona and let many stay too long (both bowa and manuel come to mind) and then cry & cry again when the big bad bosox come to town. keep telling yourself this the mike schmidt-era team year after year. you'll have the flyers, the 76ers and the eagles to drown your sorrows. 

2004 WS Champs,

Before you respond to a poster by name, you might want to familiarize yourself with the structure of this blog:  the byline is located below each post.

Josh   

I think the comments here exemplify the boorish nature of most Red Sox fans.

Hey Philly,
Thanks for the hospitality this weekend. I'm extending that to your team (which let us detroy them)not the fans. Some steroid freak sitting behind us continually threw junk at us, and actually hit my friend in the head. Unfortunately for him he then got embarrassed in front of a few thousand of his fellow philly fans. He was told, loudly, and sternly that if he did, or said one (1) more thing that we would turn his face into cheesesteak. He didn't have the balls to respond to that, p****y. Cripes, "City of Brotherly Love" not even your prostitutes are nice.

Quick primer for the Boston fans visiting from the great Boston Dirt Dogs site, and reading a little too quickly to digest the piece. I live in Philly. Have since '88. I come from Boston. Have followed the Sox like a maniac since the days of Frank Malzone. The piece is not a defense of the Phillies or Philadelphia, nor a put-down of the Sox or Boston. It is about what winning does to lovable losers. But it is more about a small group of Phillies fans who did the right thing and stopped some guy from getting thrown out of the park. Small steps. 

Don't feel like you have to defend yourself, Roobs, it was a great piece...of crap.  Just kidding, love your work.  Actually this was the first of your work that I've read.

"juvenille and needy"

* More than spelling "juvenile" with two 'L's?"

Fans in Philly commenting on behavior of other fans. 

Fans in Philly.....

Nahhh, forget it - too easy. 

You behaved better as losers because you have had so much practice! 

My 2 cents.  I attended Sunday's game as well as the April 1st exhibition.  For my first experiences in any Philly sports facility, I thought the stadium was beautiful and all the Philly and Sox fans I ran into were simply a microcosm of fans from any and all places.

To me the real thing that happens here is that it's so difficult for the average fan to buy decent tickets to Fenway that we are simply trying other venues.  I've now taken in a number of games at Camden Yards (Red Sox south).  I do sincerely hope that for Philly fans the team does well and the park is filled with hometown fans, but that certainly shouldn't belittle the fact that many Sox fans are simply taking advantage of lower ticket prices and wider seats, etc. to watch their beloved club.

For the record, I've made effort to got Sox games in Fenway, Shea, Yankee Stadium every year I can, winning or losing, curse or no curse.

Well if the Phillies fans actually cared about their team and didn't chant "E-A-G-L-E-S" at some of the games then you can say all you want about the Sox fans.  Sorry we actually care about our team up here...

Sabres and Red Sox fans have something in common... They can both win on the road because of dedicated fans. Philadelphia, the city of "brotherly love"... gross. kill yourself. 

Philly baseball is a sadder reflection on being in love with losing. Perhaps supporting your team instead of booing them all the time will make them play better. Getting your park filled with Red Sox fans is the least of your concern. You should be happy. Maybe... now you can afford some pitching next offseason. And, why would anyone want to see a game there with that stupid mascot blocking the playing field all game?

"Chalk one in the victory column?"

The hypocrisy in this statement is mind-blowing. When I returned to my car on Saturday, which was parked in the stadium lot, I found my driver's side window smashed in. My transgression - apparently a Massachusetts license plate (I don't even have a red sox bumper sticker).

What is most revealing about your fine metropolis is my reaction - I wasn't surprised at all. Having spent 4 years of college here (and attended many a phillie game as a casual fan), I've come to expect this thuggish behavior. 

Mr. Smith, I can picture you as we speak: your eyes swelling with emotion and your face a brilliant hue of post-tantrum red.  A little bitter that the Mets are outspending (and consequently outperforming) your ball club by $10m this season? 

Just wondering which is a greater figure, the difference between the Phils and the Sox ($90m-$120m respectively) or the Sox and the Yanks ($120m-$200m)? I understand what you're attempting to do, but no one's buying it, silly goose. Your comment is actually quite surprising given the fact that it's coming from a "superfan" such as yourself who supports a team in the upper echelons of baseball's spending hierarchy.  I guess that's what we call irony (incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs). 

Oh and with regards to O's fans, since they're so amiable maybe you guys can merge teams? Perhaps then people will show up for home games. I guess it all comes down to whether management wants to play amongst the dregs of humanity in the fetid swamp of crime and disease known as Baltimore or a 28 square mile parking lot in South Philly. 

God I love Philly.

Now look what you've done, Daniel Rubin.

I went to the Labor day game in '03 when Nixon hit the grand slam at the Vet. I think I'm allowed to cheer for my team. I had moved to PA from Boston, anytime I got up to cheer these Phillies fans that you say are so great and well behaved were throwing mustard packets, and other things toward me. You know what I did I just kept on cheering. I kept on cheering through the "1918" Chants. I said come up with an orignial chant. They chanted Aaron Boone and Bucky Dent, and Bill Buckner. I said Joe Carter. The Phillies were winning that game for most of the game too, I took the ribbing by the good Phillies fans, and when the Sox pulled ahead they took the ribbing from me. Now don't get all upset because the hometown crowd couldn't sell out an interleague game. Because as I recall for that game it was a Mike Schmidt bobblehead doll game and I saw 10,000 people walking back to their cars before the game started with the bobbleheads.

I'm so angry I'm going to now call a radio station and tell them my thoughts!

Let me summarize this afternoon's discussion for our newcomers...
Here's what Daniel Rubin said: "Pfffffttt"
Here's what Phillies fans said: "Pfffft."
Red Sox fans: "Pfffft."
"Pffffft."
"Pfffft."

So, Marco. You gonna break for the Yankees game tonight?

well mr. rubin, you did your job. being sour on the sox has garnered you more readers than you've had collectively in you're writing career. so job well done. anahiem used to be fenway west up till 03' when they started winning. tickets have been harder to get each sucessive year. so my recomendation for your team is to give winning a try for a change. sorry for spending money in your ballpark and filling seats that normally reamin empty. and your wife should be commended for pointing out the fact that someone did nothing.

It's funny to hear you fake-cheese eating losers complain about Sox fans.  Maybe if your city, team and fans didn't suck you could sell the game out?

I have a couple of related notes/comments on this.

I went to a Sox/Phils games at Fenway during the '04 season. I was surprised by the number of Phillies fans at the game. 

They started a noticeable "Lets Go Philies" chant which was promptly countered by the locals. That went on back and forth for an inning or two. It was good fun. I didn't see any problems develop with the visiting fans.

I have also been to several Sox/Yanks games at Fenway. The atmosphere there is best compared to that of the WWF wrestling crowds at the old Garden. The air is charged with tension and excitement and the feeling that a riot could break out at any given second.

Most of the Yankee fans just keep to themselves and root for their team. A lot of others go on the offensive. They talk trash and encourage all type of negative attention.

I've seen a number of Yankee fans who were minding their own business, not bothering anyone but getting picked on, escorted out by security.

I thought it was patently unfair. These fans weren't doing anything wrong.

I stopped by the Visitor's Services counter at Fenway and mentioned this. I was told that the visiting fans who are escorted out have the option to leave or to move to another seating area.

It turns out Fenway has a Yankee Fan Relocation Program.

"city of brotherly thugs"

Im from Boston and drove down with my girlfriend for the weekend games and had a great time.  Philly has a beautiful park and pretty solid team.  Definately would come back.  Don't judge Boston fans on a few drunk bums, same as I wouldnt judge a few Philly fans.  

In the voice of Artie Lange of Howard Stern Show fame:

"WAAAAAHHHHH...Red Sox fans took over my stadium.   WAAAAAHHHHH Red Sox fans (god forbid!) were cheering their team in MY ballpark.  WAAAAAAHHHHHH Red Sox fans heckled me when they were winning."

It's called baseball...calm the &*$@ down.

I support both the Sox (first and foremost) and my hometown team, the Phils, but was appalled at the behavior this weekend. I sat in 2 different sections on Sat and Sun, and in both there were swarms of self-entitled assholes generally making a spectacle of themselves. The highlight was when a thug in a "freshly stolen" Yankees hat decided to stand the entire game and swing his free phillies blanket around and drop obscenities on our entire section as "his team" was losing (would it kill him to sport a Phils hat if he's going to be their #1 fan??) Anyway, Sunday was worse, obviously, since the Phils won their first game in six and the only game of the series, they could do no wrong. They quickly forgot they got shelled the previous 2 days, but I digress... Fact is, people don't normally make a good showing at Citizens Bank Park. All 3 games were sellouts because of the die-hard Sox fans. I was honestly surprised at how many Bahhston accents I heard floating around. These TRUE FANS made the 6 hour trek down to Philly to support their team. And that should be truly admired. Good luck finding that kind of turnout of Phils fans in Fenway. But what puzzles me the most is: when the hell did Phils fans make such a rivalry in the Sox?? It's by all accounts, a meaningless interleague series, but the behavior this weekend proved otherwise. I understand the frustration of having almost all visiting fans in your house, but really, whose fault is that? I lost my Sox bumper sticker in the parking lot, but I suppose it's my fault for not remembering to remove it!

I'm still chuckling that anyone that's a Philly fan (uh, that would be any sport, for the record) can comment on the behavior of fans from another city. 

And do so with a straight face. 

LOL! 

I'm a Red Sox fan, I was at both the Saturday and Sunday games, drove down, had a pretty good time.  There was some back-and-forth with Phillies fans, a little hostile, but for the most part, tame and good-natured, with the Philly fans I talked to anyway.

I couldn't really see the fuss in the "new" ballpark at all (I've been to about 20 MLB stadiums and... yawn).  And what was the fuss with the "Crab Fries"?  Fries with Old Bay on them.  $5.75 (I'm still waiting for the crab).  Yawn again.  I of course had a cheese steak, and the stadium suggested I order a "Wiz wit", meaning cheese wiz with onions.  Thanks for the pronunciation lesson.  I found that "Wicked Funny".

And the article.  The few references to Boston that Mr. Rubin made were painfully elementary. MBTA, Kenmore Square, Wicked Funny?  What's next?  Sounds like the guy just stepped off a Freedom Trail trolley.  "Boston boyhood?"  Yeah, okay.  It doesn't count if you don't leave Brookline.   

And the horror!  Red Sox fans were crass enough to cheer for the Red Sox?!  Oh, those thugs!

Boorish?  Well as I was waiting for that aforementioned cheesesteak, with the same women and children in line that Rubin mentioned, a drunken Philly fan insisted on letting everyone know (repeatedly) how many "queer Boston faggots he was going to punch in the face".  That was around 2pm on Sunday afternoon.  Thanks for the hospitality!

I guess I was in a different section than Mr. Rubin.

Chalk one up to the Phillies?  Geez.  Rubin must be taking his Memorial Day holiday a little early this year.

PS.  If you want to celebrate something, celebrate the Phanatic.  Wally is slow and lazy.  But we like him that way.

That was probably one of the lamest articles I have ever read. Let me summarize:
1. Red Sox fans cheered for their team.
2. Philly's fans boo Red Sox fans for cheering their team.
3. Philly's fans yell expletives and throw things at Red Sox fans.
4. Philly security tries to throw Red Sox fan out of the park because he was cheering for the Red Sox and Philly fans were getting mad and yelling expletives.
5. Philly can't sell out their ballpark.
6. Red Sox fans will travel 6 hours to watch their team and give the Philly organization money to spend on their team next year.
7. Philly fans should be proud because they swore and threw things at people in front of children.
8. A "Red Sox fan from Boston" now writing for a Philly newspaper thinks Red Sox fans behaved badly because they chanted "lets go Red Sox".
 
Doesn't sound like a true Sox fan to me and it doesn't sound like Philly fans have much to be proud of. 

Well, the blog should be quiet now. 

Red Sox game's about to start.....

let's go red sox (said in a whisper as not to offend anyone)

Yup, it's on ESPN here. Let's say something I think we can all agree on. Beat New York.

TRANSPLANTED PHILADELPHIAN LIVING IN MASS. FOR OVER 18 YRS. BEEN TO FENWAY TO SEE PHILS/SOX WHEN TICKETS WERE EASY TO GET. LOVE CBP AND MY HOME TOWN.NEVER COULD UNDERSTAND WHY I COULDN'T COME TO CHEER FOR BOSTON TEAMS. THANK YOU SOX FANS FOR THE REVELATION. YOUR TEAM WON 2 OF THE 3 GAMES, YET YOU ARE SHOWING BOORISH, IMMATURE BEHAVIOR AND COMMENTS THAT MAKE NO SENSE FOR SUCH GREAT FANS. CONGRATS, YOU HAVE BECOME LIKE THE YANKEES FANS YOU HATE. YOU MUST BE SO PROUD OF YOURSELVES. OH, MARCO, YOU NEED HELP FROM A PSYCHIATRIST.

Dude, easy on the CAPS, I can just see you there in your Revere basement typing away, key by key, with your two sweaty index fingers... thanks for taking the time to qualify your generalizations though...

WHY IS ONE OF THE POSTERS YELLING AT US?

turn your radio down.

I was at both the Friday and Saturday games with my family, and yes we are fanatic fans who visit other cities to catch the Sox on the road.  Both nights I meet a number of great Philly fans that knew the game and the legacy of their hometown team, a real pleasure to talk with knowledgeable folks.  And yes the BoSox fans were out in full force and they were loud.  Deal with it.

However before Friday’s game, when Schilling was in the bullpen working with Nipper on some mechanics, we had the chance to watch a pro close up; we also had the chance to listen to some moron heckle Schilling about being washed up, having a bad ankle and pitching better in high school.  Fifteen feet away and this git thinks he is going to rattle Schil for over 20 minutes.  Security stood there and watched and listened until a group of Sox fans boxed the dick in and got ready to pounce, then they yanked his ass out of there.

Root for your team, enjoy the game, have a couple of beers, meet some baseball fans but it’s a baseball game and this year the Red Sox are better than the Phillies.  Deal with it.  

And remember, Red Sox nation are like locus, and they will be back next year.  See you then and many thanks to the Philly fans in section 430,  you know your sports.

First of all, I do think people have missed the point of the article...which was that some Phillies fans actually did the right thing in sticking up for the Boston fan, who was being abused by other Phillies fans. In any case, this back and forth between Boston and Philly fans here is doing two things. First, many of the comments from Boston fans are making our fan base look obnoxious and douchey...second, many of the comments from Phillies fans are making Philies fans look whiny and pathetic.

To Boston posters...quit trashing the city of Philadelphia. You're just making us look obnoxious and conceited, and definately aren't adding anything to the argument. To Phillies fans...find something else to bitch about. Sell out your stadium and support your team, and quit whining if the visitor's base shows up in huge numbers. As far as Boston fans being exceptionally irritating...drunks are always annoying, and there will always be drunks at ballgames. I'd also point out that the only fan you'll remember after the game is the one who made an ass of himself...not the few hundred that didn't.

Don't get me wrong, I think Phillies fans have every right to berate and bemoan drunk, obnoxious Bostonians. If some ass decides to stand up and scream about how sh*tty he thinks the home team is, shout him down and throw your ketchup. I really don't care. But if someone sporting a B on their cap stands to chear a basehit or homer and you pour a beer on them...you're the one being a jackass. Period. They aren't acting "entitled" by getting upset or acting surprised by an unwarranted assault; they were minding their own goddam business and participating in a perfectly legitimate display of fandom.

Here's my main point: Verbal and physical abuse towards visiting fans is not acceptable unless they cross an easily definable line. That line is usually drunkenness...a drunk Boston fan, like most other drunk fans, is extraordinarily obnoxious, and I often find myself embarassed to be wearing the same color hat when I visit a Boston series at Camden Yards. But again, throwing stuff and screaming at a couple of people just sitting there cheering for their team...that's not cool at all. And they aren't acting "entitled" when they get pissed off or surprised by an unwarranted attack. 

All that being said, all these rules change a little when we're talking Boston-NYY or Phillies-NYM. In series like these, fans should expect a little abuse. But when teams don't really have a rivalry going...let's show a little courtesy. Also to Mark R...valid point about Schilling, though I'd point out that he pitched for the Phillies from 1992-2000. I thought he left on good terms, but I could be wrong... 

malden transplant now in S.philly, I  went to all three games, walked to park all Boston upped.....Had pleasure of Yelling, cheering all sorts of rude wise arse comments to phillie fans. It was so much fun.  

seriously,I love philly ......but fans here don't like loud outsiders

Yo SOUTHIE, stop being such a phony ... phillie fans kept your mouth shut, shut.

I knew a girl from Philly once... broke my god damn heart!

thanks for the post, josh. finally, someone who can hit the curve ball.

Sox fan here.   Had a great time in Philly this weekend.  Fun city, lots to do and see.  Series turned out about like I expected -- lots of runs scored, especially against DiNardo.

CBP is a great place to see a game.  Lots of good opportunities to stand and watch the game from various viewpoints around the park.  But the minor league atmosphere of the game really detracts from the experience.  There is no need for the following at a major league game: the Phanatic (just plain stupid); racing buses, baseball shell games in ice cream containers, and non-stop fan cams on the jumbotron; launching hot dogs into the stands; "Make Some Noise!" messages on the scoreboard.

The Phllies fans we met were generally friendly.  The Sal's Pals guys were fun to watch.  Every team needs a bunch of guys like that. 

The one thing that I noticed most was that Phillies fans don't cheer -- anything.   Home team runs out on the field -- silence.   Red Sox fans start a chant -- a few boos.   Phillies get a hit or make a great play -- scattered applause.  Phillies mount a late inning rally -- silence.   In Fenway, any time the Sox hurler has 2 strikes on a batter the whole stadium is on their feet.   Same thing in Yankee Stadium.  Even when our teams are bad.

Message to Phillies fans:  It's a lot more fun to be enthusiastic about your team.  Dump the Phanatic and hire an organ player.  When Myers has an 0-2 count, get on your feet and cheer.  Don't wait for a scoreboard prompt to tell you when to make some noise.  Don't do E-A-G-L-E-S chants, it makes you look stupid.  When opposing fans show up at CBP, drown out their chants with your own.   Once or twice a year, travel to another city and see a game.  Don't go to Baltimore for fan lessons.  Their fans are almost as pathetic as Phillies fans.  Do go to Baltimore (or Boston or New York) to see how a major league game is properly conducted.

Thanks, Philadelphia, for a fun weekend.

Go Sox!

We'll do it our way, you do it your way.

Hey Red Sox fans, we don't need you to tell us how to act as fans.  Don't waste your time, because we aren't listening.  Your elitism is unbearable.  You're attitude has turned in to that of your hated rivals, Yankees fans.

Perhaps my favorite chant of the weekend was one which attacked Doug Flutie's sexuality.  And I'm a BC alum.

Never visited Philly myself, but some guy in a hard hat told me you guys have pretzels there.  Any truth to that rumor?

That rumor is 100% true, I heard it from a guy in a hard hat as well.  They also have the National Constitution Museum.

A request that Boston fans don't start banging on Philly, because this is an area where you're only going to get hurt. You live in the country's most pretentious city - I know, I'm from there. Recovery has taken decades.

I've seen the Southwest commercials you are mocking, because unlike most Bostonians,who seem affraid to venture outside of their "hub" (ha!), I've traveled outside of Philadelphia and spent a few years in Boston.  In Philly they try to convince us that Boston is wicked hahdcoah and that a tonic only cost a dollah.

Hey Dan, I suggest you let the Boston peeps bang away at Philly.  We can take it, they are the sensitive ones.

"Hey Red Sox fans, we don't need you to tell us how to act as fans. Don't waste your time, because we aren't listening."

1) I think you are listening, Enrico (as evidenced by the fact you've repsonded).  

2) John Koslosky, Jr., please return to your post as scout master from Fall River and quit inundating us with bromidic caps lock histrionics.

3) JG, you must have been sitting near me in section 147. I assume we're speaking of the same fella with the "authentic" tan on tan New Era Yankees cap? Profoundly obnoxious. I want him to contract bird flu.

Red Sox fan here in Virginia. Red Sox Nation is alive and well spanning the globe. The reason so many Sox fans show up at other ballparks is not only the ones traveling from Boston but all of the Red Sox fans that live close by. I catch several games at Camden because Baltimore is a fantastic city. I have been to Philly and the farmers market is great but nothing else is worth going back for. I feel bad for the fans their and pity the teams that play in Philly since the fans would rather boo opposing fans than cheer on their own teams. Travel this country and you will see Red Sox fans everywhere and will be shocked to see any fan with a P hat on. Philly if you do not want Boston fans there then buy your own tickets....otherwise you should get down on your knees and thank Red Sox Nation for bringing in revenue so you can field that overpaid team of underachievers..

Daniel Rubin, are you threatening physical violence?

"Perhaps my favorite chant of the weekend was one which attacked Doug Flutie's sexuality. And I'm a BC alum."

Yeah, that's something to be proud of. Question, though: Am I referring to claiming your favorite chant as the one attacking someone's sexuality OR owning up to being a BC alum?

Hmmmm......... 

Tracy -- Goodness, no. We're all Quakers here.

Lifelong sox fan up for Sunday's game from Dover, DE.  Really enjoyed the game even though we lost.  Great park and we were treated extremely well from the vendors to the P fans.  It was our second Sox game in Philly and both were enjoyable for my son and I.  Fans can learn something from my young son.  He cheers politely when his Sox do something worthy and compliments the P's when they do the same. He loves baseball and actually goes to the game for that reason.  

If you can't laugh at Doug Flutie being called names at a Baseball game then you should probably be watching The View.  Perhaps the second best comment of the weekend, when Alex Gonzalez came up for the Red Sox a Phillies fan yelled "everyone named Alex Gonzalez sucks!"  Perhaps if Boston fans watched games outside the AL you would know there was also a Phillies player named Alex Gonzalez.  Get it?  Get it?

The only people who would question someone owning up to being a BC alum would be some pretentious New Englander who went to Harvard or lived on the North Shore or Cohasset or one of those places where they where boat shoes and blazers.

Inhale the good air....exhale the bad air...inhale the good air....exhale the bad air. You can do it, I know you can.

FWIW, I went to a state school and certainly never lived on the North Shore or in Cohasset. I must have been from one of those pretentious...er..."working class" families. 

As for the AL/NL games, I lived in Colorado for years - ten minute walk to Coors Field. Did you know they have an NL team out there? Doing pretty well this year at that. Now that I live in NY, I live 20 minutes away from Shea (no way I was moving near Yankee Stadium). 

So, I've even BEEN to NL games. Imagine that.

Oh dear, hope I didn't come across as pretentious.... 

I went to Sunday's game and for the most part my section was OK. I'm from Massachusetts originally but have been living here since 1971.(I'm 48) The only thing that bothered me was the verbal abuse that Manny was getting from the fans in the left field seats. Some were just"Manny sucks", but others were down right crass. It's hard for me to believe you're a Sox fan with what you wrote Mr. Rubin Chalk one up for the PHillie fans, I don't think so. Like it or not the Red Sox fans travel a lot more than the Phillies fans. There was always a good number of Sox fans in Memorial Stadium in Baltimore even when the Sox werenot so hot or mediocre. Obviously now Camden Yards is 25 to 35 percent Sox fans and I'm being conservative. Philly and Baltimore are less than a hundred miles apart and yet there are a lot more Sox fans at O's-Sox games, than Phillie fans at O's PHillies games. Just because visiting fans come form other places is no reason to get defensive,insecure and start name calling.

Daniel Rubin,

Then what do you mean we will get "hurt?"  Is this typical Philly machismo bravado or simply metaphorical? If it's the former, I hear the kids from 9th and Tasker are afraid to walk down to the 300 and 400 blocks. That doesn't sound very "tough" to me. 

BTW, can I still "bang" on Philly if I'm from Havertown? My guess is you and I are probably from the same area.  More to the point, are we allowed to "rep." Philly if we send our kids to Radnor High School?

At any rate, this is getting a little to caustic for my fragile sensibilities. Let’s open the forum up to less-controversial topics, namely that lesbian Jason Leopold’s hit piece on Rove.  After all, with her prior drug addiction, criminal charges, sucide attempts, bouts with mental illness, documented breaches of journalistic integrity (namely fabrication and plagerization) and lying to employers, who WOULDN’T believe this chick?! :-)

Brady, you just said "oh dear."  I don't understand what you Boston fans are arguing, perhaps I should have read some of the winded posts I skipped over.  But I read a few and found them all to be boring.

Boston has good baseball fans.  Philly has good fans in general.  Boston fans are not Philly fans.  Arguing on the internet is like arguing over Pat's or Geno's, nobody is ever going to agree.

I've seen the Sox in Philly multiple times, I've seen the Phillies in Fenway twice and a dozen or so non-Phillies games at Fenway.  I think the problem with arging team X's fans are horrible is that you will always find a few bad apples no matter what stadium you go to.  If you come to Philly wearing Red Sox gear you have to expect to take some shit.  You shouldn't expect to get things thrown at you, I think most level headed people (not 700) can all agree that physical altercations don't belong in the stands.  Unfortunately there are morons in *every* city.

Enrico:

For a guy who isn't listening, you've posted an awful lot of retorts. That said, let's not tout Philly’s fandom when, as a city of 3 million people, it is unable to sell more than 65% of the seats at its big league ballpark. Philly fans are of two types:

1. Suburban families.
2. Unhinged, violent and crass dullards.

Every city may have its share of morons, but Philly seems to have been graced with an uncommon bounty.

Gravy, if you are going to generalize Philly fans, how would you generalize Boston fans?

Marco,
Come to Boston when your sad sack team comes up here and we'll see if you like the verbal/physical abuse. I'll be waiting.

its sad that they cant sell enough tix to keep sox fans outta there.....  new stadium, but u still got the worst fans in the world

Sox fan here in Quincy who went down to the games on Friday and Saturday night.  Just to prove how much worse Philly fans are, I got booed more on Friday night wearing a Patriots tshirt than on Saturday wearing a Sox shirt.  They thrive on hating teams that beat them so bad, their desire to win is questionable.  And don't try to play the whole "Yankees Suck" card here... the Yankees beat us every year, and we say they suck, but we don't show up to Celtics games and yell "Knicks suck!" or go to Bruins games and yell "Rangers suck!"  You are classless fans hating all our teams just because of the city they are from.

Steve and Robbyskids, you don't seem to be carrying the torch of Red Sox Nation being the best and brightest fans in sports?  Are you sure you aren't really Phillies fans?

"Gravy, if you are going to generalize Philly fans, how would you generalize Boston fans?"

* Enrico,

1. Suburban families.
2. College kids. 
3. Dot/Southie kids (many obnoxious).
4. People who will drive 150-300 miles from ME, NH, VT and CT only to spend $60 on a 17th row bleacher seat for a Thursday night game against the D-Rays, $200 on a Monster seat for the Sunday night game against the Rangers, and $900 on a box seat for the Tuesday night game v. the Nats.

Disposition of the average Boston sports fan (by comparison): cheery, less abrasive but no-less-overserved. BTW, I'm pretty sure there are no magistrates, turnkey offices or prison cells at Gillette.

Final thought: phillie fans live for booing and you would to if you lived with roaches and dog sht everywhere,  Philly is the "city of loosers." Most people here never leave and some feel cities like Boston, NY and DC overwhelm them like chelsea mass.

Cheladelphia, PA.

Dot/southie kids, people would last about a second here in philly

dot/southie did you represent home town this pasr weeknd?

The many RS families came hear and represented with class, dot southie mix wouldn't show up to phillt venue.

word.

"Dot/southie kids, people would last about a second here in philly. dot/southie did you represent home town [sic] this pasr [sic] weeknd [sic]? The many RS families came hear [sic] and represented with class, dot southie mix wouldn't show up to phillt [sic] venue. word."

* Thanks for your enlightened comments Tommy. I'm not so sure there was a coherent thought in there, but thanks nonetheless! 

Anyway, I'm just wondering why Dot/Southie kids wouldn't "last a second" in Philly.  Is this that "machismo bravado" thing Travy [sic] was speaking of? Are South Philly kids just that much tougher? The same ones that go to Catholic schools like Neuman or travel 20 mins north up Broad on Septa to avoid South Philly public education? Those tough kids?

Gravy: The only difference I see between your generalizations of both teams is a.) college kids like the Red Sox and b.) people from the sticks will drive really far and pay really crazy cash for tickets. a.) I'm not completely sold on your college kid argument, perhaps I agree to an extent, but BC/Harvard/MIT kids don't give a shit about the Sox anymore than SJU/Drexel/Penn kids care about the Fightins. b.) By your estimate (assuming I attend 20 Phillies games a year, which is about my average) I would have to pay roughly $1,000 more a year to see the Red Sox in average seats or roughly $16,000 dollars a year if I wanted to sit by the field?

I'll take a 12 dollar walk up over a 60 dollah bleacher seat any night of the Summer.

There is no prison at the Ball Park in South Philly.  Eagles v. Patriot fans could take another 100 posts.

My dear infomation buddy, sdfdsf (very clear name you have)

You have all the words right, Nueman, septa, north broad...even took time out to capitalize.  My secretary tells me you are trying to parallel city life (bravado) with catholic schools. 

Walk down 16th and jackson and then walk down D street in southie, philly is a real city with blocks and alleys.

no "goodwill hunting" to be found.

you must be from Boston

Me and my friends went down for the weekend series and found it hilarious that the only time the Phillie fans cheered was when the Phillie fanatic came out and fired hot dogs into the stands and when the pa announcer played the charge music, which we though to be pretty lame.  

I'm assuming a certain poster's last name is either "suave" or "bolla". 

Therefore, said poster should chill.

This is to Gravy and nonetheless or SDFDSF:

Philly will always abuse Boston because people like you have an attitude that your bettter than everyone else.  Be prepared for next year, wear body armor.

You guys must keep a daily journal under pillow, I know the type.

Gravy..give a goodnight kiss for Nonetheless after Dr. phil!! 

* Enrico:

Who said anything about paying that kinda bank to see the Sox every game?  Show us one person who's paid more than $75 for a single Phillies ticket this season and I'll buy you ice cream.

"I'll take a 12 dollar walk up over a 60 dollah bleacher seat any night of the Summer."

* There's dedication for ya.

Tommy:

Don't pretend as if you ever spent any amount of time in the nefarious "ghettos" of South Philly. (You have a secretary?) I'm sure the kids from Dot might have something to say about your comments (take a look at the crime index in comparison with South Philly).  Lots of people like to think their city is "tough," and apparently you're one of them; but if we're correlating "toughness" with crime stats, take a look at Reading, it makes South Philly look like Mayberry. 

Now, thanks for the threat of violence, I don't really understand why there can't be debate without punching. Let's kiss and make up.  Stop over by Section 306 tomorrow. CBP isn't really not that bad of a commute being that I live in Cherry Hill. ;)

To my best friend shfjsfhdsjfdsf:

Garrulity will get you nowhere!

Phillies will sweep boston this june. Dots or spots, southie or mouthie, their fans will see us philly people representing and ready for whatever, i can't wait. It will be worst than two years ago when we owned that parhk (2004).

Anyway, keep up the good work and please know i'm only giving you and  RS fans a hard time.....fan based compitition like in baseball should be a family event.  Too much alcohol ruins the fun from my experience.

Have a good night, dude..... 

Tommy,

You're not so bad.

Now we'll see who takes the series at the Fens. With the way Wake pitched tonight...

BTW, I honestly am a Phils fan. I gotta be as a former season ticket holder in Reading: home to Scott Rolen's awkward beginnings, Johnny Estrada's police motorcycle, (snip) and, yes, the amazing Nick Punto.

Steve,
You got it backwards.  But I do like your enthusiasm...and your patience.

I'm a huge Phils fan and I gotta tell ya, Sox fans are terrible, y'know?

Thanks for the contribution, Joey.

Why don't I smack you with one a 'deez, Marco?  You Bostoners think you're so smart with your college campuses and what have you.  Give me a cheesesteak, a pretzel, and a cannoli and I'll show you how we do things in Philly.  E-A-G-L-E-S, Eagles! Eagles! Eagles!

Are you gonna eat me or something?  Throw some food at me, what.  

Come on down here to the city of brotherly love and we'll have a real civil discussion like.  I wish I saw your little rat face in the park this weekend, you woulda got a middle finger in your direction and a yingling to your face.  Thats how we did in the 700 section.  Thats what happened to little Timmy Red Sox fan on Saturday. He thought he was hot with his cheers and his clapping when Beckett hit that homer.  I showed him a thing or two...poured beer on his head when his mother wasn't looking.

You poured beer on a child, Joey?  And that was very clever, entering my name.  I just don't get the point.

Marco, stop talking to yourself and impersonating Phillies fans.  You're just making Boston fans look even worse.

Little does everyone know I actually just posted that last comment.

I knew a girl from Boston once... Broke my gad damn heart!