Obama's birth certificate: The truth isn't always the best politics
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Obama's birth certificate: The truth isn't always the best politics
I have to say I'm a little stunned that the White House released President Obama's long-form birth certificate this morning -- minutes before surging GOP billionaire candidate and "birther" extraordinaire Donald Trump launched a speaking tour in the bellweather state of New Hampshire.
Not stunned that it shows the the 44th President of the United States is exactly who he always said he was -- the 49-year-old Hawaiian born son of U.S. citizen S. Ann Dunham and Kenyan student Barack Hussein Obama. That was always a no-brainer.
But I'm stunned by the politics, because let's be honest -- the whole "birther" controversy was the best thing that happened politically to Barack Obama since the invention of Facebook. For one thing (and if this sounds like an indictment of our national media...it is) the Trump candidacy and the increasingly bizarre allegations about Obama's citizenship had dominated the 24/7 news bubble for days -- and that prevented coverage of all the things that have Americans thinking that the nation is still on the wrong track, such as high long-tern unemployment and soaring gas prices.
More importantly from a political sense, the focus on the birth certificate was creating massive confusion and disagreement within the Republican Party -- exactly what you want when you're an incumbent Democratic president with an approval rating in the 40s. The idea that birther mania amongst the GOP's Tea Party rank and file could create a nominee like a Donald Trump, whom a mature politician like Obama would clobber in the November 2012 general election -- even if unemployment hovers at 9 percent -- should be almost too good to be true for Team Obama.
So knowing that, why not, in the words of the Cranberries, let it linger? Why end a conversation that was a huge political boost for the president?
The best answer, I guess, is that Obama's re-election strategy -- now that he's alienated some of his core liberal supporters -- is an obsession with being "the adult in the room" of national politics, and his advisers see ending the birth certificate distraction today as part of that.
As a student of politics, I'm not so sure. Being "the adult in the room" doesn't mean you can't be a Machiavellian adult in the mode of a Lyndon Johnson, does it?
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It won't matter. For the kind of people who believe this sort of thing, they'll simply say he had the CIA make a forgery. That's how the game works.— Susie from Philly
Comment removed.- I suspect that his advisors think that releasing this will make the birthers look even more insane when they continue to stick with their story despite this release. I personally don't agree because now it gives them some degree of legitimacy by addressing a crackpot concern. Now they will focus on some other area that "isn't right" and he will have to potentially answer this charge as well.— BillHicksLives!
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- Everybody loves a conspiracy theory: jfk, 9/11, birthers...— palmyra21
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- Green paper? Yeah, sure. You think Kenyan intelligence doesn't have access to forgeries? Sure.
Can't help but assume that the Bilderberg Group is involved as well.
PS - This is sarcasm.— PattyB23 - Comment removed.
- Yeah, it'll will just change from the birther conspiracy to the forger conspiracy. Probably 20% of Republicans won't believe this, meanwhile I have yet to hear a policy proposal from any potential candidate other than the vague mention of spending cuts.— HandNik
- He knows that nobody is going to mistake him for the adult in the room. Not even his daughters.— Mr. Smith
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- JjJ- you make a good point. President Obama is a fine family man, and I laud him for that. That may turn out to be the most valuable part of his presidency, and we should hold it up as an ideal more than we do. And while I think many problems in this country will be ameliorated by strengthening and encouraging families to stick together, I can still keep an open mind about non traditional arrangements that don't lead to cultural deterioration. For example, Jimmy can do whatever he wants to James, and as long as he doesn't get any of it on others, it's fine. — Mr. Smith
- This issue was a loser for Republicans. All of this will hopefully fade away like the anti-war movement on the left did when Obama was elected.— jmc
- Who names their daughter "Stanley"?
No wonder he was hiding the certificate all those years.
Was the sequel to "Dreams from my Father" going to be titled "My Mom, Stan"?— Mr. Smith - Comment removed.
Will, I guess it's hoping for too much to expect you to appreciate that Obama is maybe being true to his campaign theme of "change", at least in this token instance, wanting to avoid the usual political games and take the public seriously. (Even batty is cheering!) But being who you are, a cog in the corporate media machine, you come off like the Super Bowl has just been cancelled because of rain. Sad.- Comment removed.
- This raises more questions than it answers. Why is "Mother's mailing address" left blank? Why, if he had it all along, did he wait until now to release this document? This looks like a hastily prepared forgery and a desperate attempt to head off a blockbuster finding from Trump's investigatory team on the ground in HI. Wonder what The Donald found out that would force the hand of Obama in such a clumsy and amateurish way?
— super20 - Wow, great insight nitwit! President Obama has a brilliant strategy to make you look even crazier now that the Hawaiian government has agreed to release this.
— Les Ismore - Sarcasm filter malfunctioning Les? — super20
- Actually reading some of the other comments I see how you could have missed it. My bad. Tho — super20
- As a middle aged white man, this is an embarrrassment for a sitting President to have to release a birth certificate in order to satisfy a lunatic right wing fringe. If Obama was the typical middle aged or older white man in the oval office, this would NEVER ever be an issue. This is nothing more the pure racism at its absolute worst.— matty177
- Is it also racism that people are interested in his academic history as well? Is it racism that he "wrote" two books about himself before he had ever accomplished anything? — Mr. Smith
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- It may turn out to be a smart move. The idiots will refuse to believe that it is legit.After all, he is a Kenyan muslim,communist, socialist, hater of whites who pals around with terrorists. And, most importantly of mixed race, the bane of all white supremecists.— The Great Cornholio
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- matty177 -- "As a middle aged white man" -- what does that have to do with anything?? There were legitimate concerns that the President was not in fact a citizen of the US. These concerns were brought up by.... HILARY CLINTON'S SUPPORTERS. Yes, that incredibly conservative group of neocons were the first to make this an issue. How exactly is this racism?? Is it because he's black, or because people think he is muslim?? I get the feeling that you are easily embarrassed by just about anything. Have you apologized to the Libyans for us bombing them yet?— IggleFan68
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- You are probably right, jammer. In Syria, Assad is murdering thousands, and Obama has done nothing about it. Conservatives are whining about that.
— Mr. Smith - You are probably right, jammer. In Syria, Assad is murdering thousands, and Obama has done nothing about it. Conservatives are whining about that. — Mr. Smith
- Any post that starts with "As a middle aged white man" can't end well...— IggleFan68
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- shhh. trump is scaring the liberals.— Mags37
- Can we finally get back to sarah palin? She's been stuck on 70 pages linked in Philly.com for quite some time now.
If not, how about we talk about how we get out of a 15 trillion debt, a realistic energy policy, 3 wars or jobs? Nah, what am I thinking, we cant have those debates. There might be some political risk.— tr88 - Comment removed.
- So how is that talk about jobs coming from the wingnut right in Congress? They are more concerned about gays in the military and ending a women's right to privacy than jobs and the economy.
Think buyers remorse for that cohort of clowns.— Les Ismore - The more I think about it, Trump won. He pounded Obama relentlessly about his birth certificate, and forced Obama to obtain it and put it out there for the American people to see. Well done.— jmc
- Obama should have done everything 2 years ago to conclusively show he was a citizen. It never should have come to this. While Will seems to think that he was scoring political points over "birthers", he was actually losing mainstream America. The last I saw, only 28% of Americans definitely thought Obama was an American. — IggleFan68
- No one except the "Truther" types, yeah they exist on both sides although the Libs ignor their folks, actually believed he was born in Kenya. However, what has come out of all this is that Trump is a real force. The Lib media has tried to "Palin" him and he is rolling over them, you can feel the frustration in their questions and agressive manner. But to force the President to do this when no one else has even come close!!! WOW!!! This is going to be something to watch even if The Donald doesn't run, although this could and should be the game changer!!!— sarah89
- since the media types pride themselves on being the "stewards of truth and Unbiased reporting" why all the coverage around this non-issue. No criticism on handling of middle east, syria, libya, an opportunity to potentially change course. Nothing on japan because its too boring. bad news liberal press. election time wont be like it was before.. .trump will never run or win.. but bho is exposed for the fraud of a supposed leader he was supposed to be
— stevejones - Obama may have been born in Hawaii - but now the birthers will claim that Hawaii wasnt really a state in 1961...and wont believe facts to the contrary.— Wally
- Are you including the ultra-liberal Hilary Clinton supporters in your label "birthers"?? — IggleFan68
- "and his unconscionable budget deficits and national debt that make Bush look austere by comparison" - notwithstanding the obscene notion that someone emotional, crazed, and 'sensible' person like atkins would dare look at data to conclude a hypothesis, one has to wonder about the comparision to the 'relatively austere' Bush. I guess you start from '0', balanced budget, on both terms and then work from there, concluding Obama has a much higher deficit? The point is that analysis shows that the deficits currently estimated going forward for Obama really don't show outsized new spending. Most of it seems to be mandatory, and of course we will have your retort explaining how the Executive administration can do anything to alter mandatory spending. In other words, most of the recent spending run up has been for programs to protect the basic well-being of unemployed, poor, and sick.— Murrayman
- What's even more embarrassing about this "controversy" is that to ignore the birth announcements in Hawaii's newspapers of record is far, far beyond insane.— Jim C.
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- Wow bloaty, it took you about 8 of your normally hateful posts before you got around to calling a black man boy again. Whats up with that? — Les Ismore
- Lester you are so predicably idiotic. Typical lib distortion of a statement. You are sleazy, lying moonbat.
— georgel - You must be new here. Bloated Billy relishes calling African Americans "boy" on this site. Some days it is almost every one of his racist posts. Well, except when he is on one of his anti-semitic rants but with Glenn Beck going off the air, he might have to look to the Klan or something for his talking points. — Les Ismore
- jmc, you may be right about Trump being the winner - except that the loser isn't Obama, but the wankers who were about to ruin the GOP establishment's ability to field a serious candidate in 2012 to win over the growing number of rational, educated independents out there. I suspected that this was Trump's mission all along - to flush out the issue so the establishment candidates (e.g., Romney, Pawlenty) wouldn't have to later when the rubber really hits the road. Heck, he even managed to make Bachmann seem sane. Trump's work is done, or so we hope.
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- Can we call him Son of Stan?— PresidentSpock
- You left out an 'a'. — 2ndNlong
- Thank goodness. Now I can shift my attn to the royal wedding.— RG
- haha...best comment of the day. — Les Ismore
- "he wants to keep spending like a little boy on a chocolate high" . . . . . I suppose that's still an improvement over Bush's spending like a Texas redneck on an oxycontin high. If there's one thing that Obama can honestly pin on Bush, it's the growing deficit he inherited compounded by a near-catastrophic recession. Everything else is fair game.
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- Yep Bush caused a recession that happened to be global. If that were true, why can't Obama cause a recovery? As for deficits, is Obama too feckless to cut spending? Poor lil guy, has zero control over his situation.— RG
- "If that were true, why can't Obama cause a recovery?" Because junior high libertarians and teabakkers elected a bunch of knunckleheads to Congress who don't understand the basics of Econ 101. — Les Ismore
- Will is right with this, that Son of Stan needed this ridiculous distraction to pull attention away from his miserable record. Can't wait for 2012.— PresidentSpock
- "but the deficit numbers speak for themselves" - mainly driven by social programs attempting to allow the people most hurt by the depressed economy a bit of dignity and a chance to survive. Reasonably, just lopping off programs is political suicide for a rep or sen. Simple as that. The elderly vote - they stand out there and wait for their turn. The key is to recall the difference between short-run and long-run. Short run everything must be done to get people back to work (to jumpstart). Everything else must be put off, including worries (mostly nonexistent) about inflation and deficits (bond vigilantes). Bush didn't cause the recession, but he sure didn't help. The JGTRRA and EGTRRA were so dastardly, cover for giving surplus back to the (mainly) wealthy. RG like most conservatives you run on about 'cut' but you offer no specifics. I suspect you have no time to actually read a budget analysis, or actually read the budget. How easy it is to scream 'cut' along with the mob while conferring no spefics on what should be cut (reasonably of course).— Murrayman
- Nice try Les. Obama had over a year with both houses under Dem control. Or are you already forgetting the stimulus and recovery summer? And if we're blaming Congress, the Dems took control n oh seven, why no blame for them.— RG
- I have lots of blame for them also, but it wasn't the issue in 07 that it was now. Thanks to teabakkers who finally glommed onto this issue after everything else they were protesting had no merit (Oh, my taxes are going up...NOT..Oh the constitution is being shredded....NOT).
Yes, it is an issue but back to our discussion yesterday, this is a problem that must be solved looking at both sides of the balance sheet, revenue and expenses. Just like a "job creator" would do, right?— Les Ismore - I'm glad he released a document that should have been made public AT LEAST two years ago. So now he won't be remembered a one-term undocumented alien. BTW, why was he born in HI? Was his pop attending university there?— A Friend
- This is an issue originally brought up by the democrats themselves. Just like the Willy Horton ad it has gone into "conventional wisdom" that both were strated by those rascally republicans. I'm glad he finally produced. I think Trump forced his hand. Now he needs to come clean on his education, grades and who paid for it. We know more about Putin's background than our own Prez. He was never properly vetted by the press. Why? They didn't want to subject a black (well half white) candidate for fear fear of being perceived as racist. Now that is racism.— georgel
- Murray, the time for reasonable cuts has passed. The debt is projected to double in the next decade, and thats not counting unfunded liabilities. The avg maturity of our treasuries is 5 years, meaning we're rolling over alot of debt. If interest rates go up,.debt servicing costs will eat up the budget. Its a completely unsustainable path that requires deep, painful cuts now to avoid a currwncy collapse. Debt crises always come fast and hard with little warning.— RG
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@jimmyjamsjames So since you support the bombing of Libya for 'humanitarian reasons' can we expect to now get involved in a bombing mission in Syria for the same reason ? and if not why not ?.— PAEnglish- Comment removed.
- Funny thing is that when Trump produced his birth certificate last month, he had teh same issues, not the long form. Even his wouldnt pass wingnut muster. — Les Ismore
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- Funny thing is that when Trump produced his birth certificate last month, he had teh same issues, not the long form. Even his wouldnt pass wingnut muster. — Les Ismore
- Funny thing is that when Trump produced his birth certificate last month, he had teh same issues, not the long form. Even his wouldnt pass wingnut muster. — Les Ismore
- Funny thing is that when Trump produced his birth certificate last month, he had teh same issues, not the long form. Even his wouldnt pass wingnut muster. — Les Ismore
- In honor of Matty, we should all start our posts with "as a middle aged white man"...— IggleFan68
- In honor of Matty, we should all start our posts with "as a middle aged white man"...— IggleFan68
- Igglefan, I won't be able to use that to start my post you see "I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi."— bird11
- Yes of course -- RG is looking for their own Ben Tre moment: In order to save Medicare, it becomes necessary to destroy it. And to think war was needed to expose this madness. The debt is not projected to double in the next decade, that's a farce. The only reasonable projection is the OMB 5-year projection, and although absolute debt increases, the ratio of debt to GDP decreases, the percent of deficits to GDP decreases, and spending to GDP decreases. The Avg. maturity of on the run paper is decreasing BECAUSE of open market operations - the Fed is swapping long-dated paper with what are essentially overnight repo loans. I wonder what that has done to interest rates? BECAUSE the duration of on the run paper has markedly decreased, future debt will be less sensitive to interest rate movements (detrimental to the upside). So Medicare responds well to efficiency, and in particular outcomes research. So what's the answer -- VOUCHERS (scrip), whose value erodes - in order to have most vulnerable people fend for themselves.— Murrayman
- Igglefan, I won't be able to use that to start my post you see "I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi."— bird11
- Igglefan, I won't be able to use that to start my post you see "I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi."— bird11
- Igglefan, I won't be able to use that to start my post you see "I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi."— bird11
- Igglefan, I won't be able to use that to start my post you see "I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi."— bird11
- oops!— bird11
- "I don't think this makes the birthers look insane for asking why the birth record is not complete." . . . . . . There was only one material fact at issue - was he born in the US, and that was already proven by the short form. No one ever claimed the birth record was incomplete (compare this to the saga around Bush's national guard service - paid for by taxpayers - where there was so much contradiction over what was released and what was complete, we still don't know what to beleive). You're making me wonder if all this birther movement was about was to uncover some embarrassing private information about his parents we really had no business knowing. Are you sated now?
- "I don't think this makes the birthers look insane for asking why the birth record is not complete." . . . . . . There was only one material fact at issue - was he born in the US, and that was already proven by the short form. No one ever claimed the birth record was incomplete (compare this to the saga around Bush's national guard service - paid for by taxpayers - where there was so much contradiction over what was released and what was complete, we still don't know what to beleive). You're making me wonder if all this birther movement was about was to uncover some embarrassing private information about his parents we really had no business knowing. Are you sated now?
- Murray, the CBO most certainly projects the debt to double by 2021. And those debt ratio projections are based on pollyanna GDP growth. Reducing the maturity increases rate hike risk, especially when the Fed stops buying the paper to artificially suppress rates.— RG
- got a link on that RG?
Also, here is Bartletts blog
http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2228/tax-rich-battle-cry-paul-ryan-rejects
Pretty much mocks Ryans plan...and thats coming from a Reagan Republican
— Les Ismore - Liberal Democrats- "I love that Hope and Change slogan, I will vote for that."— Keep The Change
- "This is an issue originally brought up by the democrats themselves." . . . . . . . LOL, as if the birthers didn't look foolish enough - they got suckered by democrats?
- Way to fabricate, RG. No CBO estimate states anything of the sort. I know it's convenient for you to need debt oustanding toe double in the next decade -- then you can place it at the feet of your political enemies. Lol - the spending estimates are sound, but the revenue (GDP) -- that's polyanna. Classic. "Reducing the maturity increases rate hike risk" - yep, that's what I recall - a normal yield curve is always inverted. And the Fed isn't buying the paper, they're swapping it - there's a difference. Also, what do you think happens with the cash collected from interest payments? Do you think the Fed sits on it? Maybe there will be enough to continue to perform significant open markets swaps in order to continue to decrease the maturity (and duration) of the open paper.— Murrayman
- Go to the CBOs site, and check their analysis of the budget. 4th paragrapgh, last sentence. http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=12103— RG
- And yes, the spending estimates are sound, since most of it is mandatory and no pols are proposing significant cuts. The Feds actions are unprecedented in size and scope, I think a little skeptacism is in order when they artifically keep rates low to keep the debt carousel moving.— RG
- BTW, Oswalt left the team for personal reasons. No timetable on return— RG
- RG - Oswalt most likely left because of the storms ripping thru MS - his family still lives there and he left the Astros last year or the year before when his parents home was hit during tornado season. Doubt he misses a start.— bird11
- I'm beyond flustered. When you initially stated that 'the debt will double' in the coming decade, it was clear you menat that the total of yearly budget deficits would double the debt, meaning that the current ~ 14.5T debt would double. Now you are pointing to a summary analysis stating that 'total debt held by the public' will double, from ~10.2T to ~21T. If one were to look at the projection tables for the President's budget, we find an estimate of ~-6,7T over the next decade. See a difference? So I wonder why the big discrepancy between the total of budget deficits adding to the US total debt outstanding, and the sum difference between 'Total US debt held by the public'?— Murrayman
- Now that Trump is off Birth Certificates, isnt it time for the media to grow up and demand they state their positions and experience creating jobs? Or isnt that what the media does?— tr88
- Gee Murray, you seem sanguine that the bidget proposal ONLY adds $6.7 tril to the debt. First you denied the rxistence of the estimate, now you're arguing over semantics.— RG
- Just heard about this, and I gotta say, this is absolutely freakin' hilarious.
Watching Obama-hating birthers, or other pathetic attempts at back-pedaling or rationalizing as we see on this thread from cleanupphilly, has me in hysterics.
Oh, and tr88's post was a classic, also - as a post of his just the other day revealed that he is a birther.
Absolutely hilarious.— Talking point sleuth - I didn't deny the existence of the estimate I denied the existence of your ability to provide an in-depth analysis. You're the Michelle Bachmann of this comment section. RG you can't even do the figuring, and you want to then move on to the conclusions you had made based on that incorrect figuring, and then downplay it, and then suggest that I have no fear over the actual, correct amount. I have not suggested that over the long-run, the debt is a real problem. But the METHOD of being able to adequately get to a more sustainable fiscal method is exactly the opposite of the methods you (and EVERY other conservative) propose. Outcomes research to reign in excess cost growth? Oh no - nope. "Death panels!" Vouchers - that lose value over time, that's the answer. Krugman is now taking down the eminent John Taylor for stupidly suggesting that somehow the Obama administration has created all these new spending initiatives that are causing the deficit to explode. It's nonsense. Approx. half of the next several deficits are accrued due to revenue lags. Most of the rest, on the spending side, is due to mandatory spending that was in place LONG before Obama was the president. But how convenient to blame him, huh? My main concern here is having everyone on a cogent, reasonable path so that reasonable argument can then be hashed out instead of "Obama's gonna DOUBLE the debt in ten years!".— Murrayman
- What in depth analysis do you want? Under his own budget proposal, the debt increases significantly. Your ramblings about revenue lags are simply obfuscating the reality that the debt is increasing. I never claimed that it was his new spending, I pointed out that he is prez and these are his budgets.— RG
- Murray reread your 2:14 post, you most certainly denied the existence of the CBO edtimate.— RG
- "I pointed out that he is prez and these are his budgets" - lol. And let that be a lesson to you all, dear readers: When exposed, they flee. How disengenuous. In the 2:14 post I denied the existence of you reading the report correctly. I couldn't deny the existence of the report, I had it open on my desktop (PDF), waiting for you to state something incorrectly.— Murrayman
- So you were waiting for a gotcha moment instead of acknowledging that the debt increases substantially under current budget proposals. And you're calling others disingenuous. It is pretty humorous to watch you attempt to argue that deficits are essentially out of the presidents control. Aww shucks, theres just too much mandatory spending fora president to do anything about.— RG
- More Phillies bad news - Ruiz left game in 1st inning.— bird11
- Yup, there you go. It's out of the administration's hands all this 'current budget proposals'. There's really no new, discretionary spending intitiative that causes huge increased in any FY budget deficit. But that's not what the Conservatives want you to think: President Obama has failed. Why? Because he hasn't completely changed the mandatory spending laws, which includes Congressional approval. But they call him a radical anyway, as though that wouldn't be radical. Yeah, that's totally reasonable, especially considering the voting blocs directly affected by 'reform' (read cutting benefits in order to save them). But hey, those boomers are used to Ben Tre moments, maybe they'll go for them. Meanwhile, we get cruddy math (fuzzy, as Krugman calls it) and based on that crud, wild, savage conclusions are made.— Murrayman
- "Because he hasn't completely changed the mandatory spending laws" He hasn't even seriously broached the subject, Murray. Lets call it like it is, instead or whining about the other side.— RG
- "Or isnt that what the media does?" . . . . Um, tr88, the media sells commercial air time or advertising space, attytood being no exception. It's job is to deliver viewers or readers to its corporate clients, not deliver to you what you need to know. That won't change unless we change. Ergo, be the change you seek in the world. Refuse to play the media's game, and just tune it out. Collectively, we the People have the ability to inform each other in this information age - Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, these are our new tools of democracy. There's just no such thing as a free press anymore, and there doesn't need to be.
- awww....why the glum faces Tea Baggers?— The Fundamentals of the Economy are Fine
- What's interesting to me is that his mother was born 11/29/42. So if Barack was a full-term baby, mommy was 17 when conception occurred. And old Stanley Ann enrolled in classes at U of Washington when Barry was less than a month old, while Barack Sr. was in Hawaii. To me, when the truth reveals that the first part of the official narrative peels away (remember how his daddy was airlifted in by JFK before JFK was Prez, and met the little girl from Wichita who lived outside Seattle), I'd be looking for what other lies the guy has told. But with an incurious media, the official story they were fed with his book. What a bunch of slavish pigs. Feed away at the trough of official information, mass media!!! What is it Will always says: No Blood in Ants?!— molonlabe
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