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Wednesday, July 29, 2009

I wanted Roy Halladay. You wanted Roy Halladay. Some people said they didn't care what it took to get him. But, well, come on. There had to be some limit, right?

Now it will be Cliff Lee and right-handed bat Ben Francisco, in exchange for Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Lou Marson and Jason Donald. Lee is not Halladay. Carrasco & Co. are not Kyle Drabek, Jay Happ and Dominic Brown. These are both true facts. The Phillies and their rookie GM, Ruben Amaro Jr., played this right.

Long-term, we all can agree that the Phils are in better shape than if they had traded Drabek and Brown as part of the package to get Halladay. That isn't to say that Carrasco won't be useful and that Knapp -- a big kid with a huge fastball -- won't end up being very, very good. This wasn't theft. The Phillies did give up four players who could very well end up being major-league contributors. But they kept their big pieces -- Drabek, Brown and Michael Taylor. Again, long-term, this is clearly a win.

Short-term -- ignoring Francisco, a need -- we can boil everything down to this question: which would you rather have in October, Halladay alone or the combination of Lee and Happ?

Let's take an opening-round series against San Francisco as one example. In Game 1, you would have Tim Lincecum against either Lee or Halladay. Neither would have a clear-cut advantage over the other. If each man pitched to expectations, the game likely would be decided in the bullpen -- Halladay or Lee, doesn't matter. Now, go to Game 4. In one case, if they trade for Halladay, it is Moyer/Martinez/Lopez vs. whatever able-bodied guy the Giants can find (remember, Randy Johnson is on the 60-day DL, scrambling everything). Again, you are likely looking at a game decided in the bullpen. In the other case, with the Lee trade, you still have Happ and you suddenly have a clear advantage in Game 4.

Again, if you want to argue that Lee isn't Halladay, that's fair. But the differences are incremental, not enormous. The fact that you get to keep Happ turns incremental into something even smaller, and maybe shrinks the difference to nothing. Again, that's in the short-term.

Now, if Halladay ends up in Boston, the conversation might change. But between then and now, Amaro played this exactly right.

Posted by Rich Hofmann @ 4:22 PM  Permalink | 126 comments
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Posted 04:39 PM, 07/29/2009
Philth
Great deal. Rube gets an A+ all around.
Posted 04:42 PM, 07/29/2009
psu05
Just the opinion I expected from Mr. Softee.
Posted 04:44 PM, 07/29/2009
PhilsBirdsFlys
So why not still package Drabek, Happ & Brown for Halladay and really secure your chances for 3 in a row??
Posted 04:45 PM, 07/29/2009
JimG
Totally agree, Rich....but also for next year as well. Now the Phillies keep Happ for next year and we could possibly see Drabek in the rotation next year. I don't know how confident anyone would be heading into next season with some combination of Moyer/Lopez/Martinez/Kendrick/Carrasco as our 4 and 5 starters. Since Lee and Halladay are both signed through next season and the talk was about how Halladay would be here for 2 post-seasons, this trade was as much about how it leaves the rotation for next year as well.
Posted 04:45 PM, 07/29/2009
PhillyNH
All things considered, GREAT MOVE!!!!!!! Now get a back end guy for the bullpen and you improve your world series chances greatly.
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Posted 04:45 PM, 07/29/2009
e4stringer
This is more than just playoffs '09. This positively affects next year (and beyond). While Halladay is certainly an upgrade over Lee, as you stated, it's not huge -- maybe 1-2 wins? The difference in salary (~7 million) affects what the Phils do with Blanton and who they can and will bring back/pick-up for next year. Also, this gives the 2010 team Happ and possibly Drabek at some point. This was an excellent trade. With that being said, prospects are still prospects, and the Phls could still spin any of their "untouchables" for further help before Friday, during the off-season, or at next year's deadline. Nice to have some bullets left in the chamber.
Posted 04:45 PM, 07/29/2009
sla6yer
I agree. This is impressive work by a first year GM. What if Ruben had stayed on the phone with the Jays until Friday afternoon, never worked a deal out, and the Dodgers landed Cliff Lee? That would have been unpleasant.
Posted 04:46 PM, 07/29/2009
The Young Geezer
As long as Lee's healthy, this is a great deal.
Posted 04:48 PM, 07/29/2009
bamaphillyfan
"would be decided in the bull pen" is the key, and we need to do something there, using remaining pieces (like Happ) to sure that up should be considered.
Posted 04:48 PM, 07/29/2009
fischman
Now the Phillies have 48 hours to get some late inning bullpen help. Lidge and Madson are just scary this year. Heck, Lidge almost blew Hamels' gem last night.
Posted 04:50 PM, 07/29/2009
AChamp1
Agreed! If Toronto was too greedy to come off Drabek and Brown when it was obvious Cleveland was willing to deal Lee, too bad for them... Now they can keep Halladay and get nothing for him when he walks after 2010. Of course Richardi will be long gone by then...
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Posted 04:53 PM, 07/29/2009
spowlick
They should have traded for Dorn, Harris, Cerrano, Taylor, Wild Thing, Willy Mays Hays and JoBoo's Rum! Decent trade as long as Halladay does not beat us in the WS.....That would go over well in town....We shall see.....
Posted 04:53 PM, 07/29/2009
ag
get some bullpen help now. go get sherrill
About Rich Hofmann
Rich Hofmann arrived at the Daily News in 1980 for a job whose status was officially designated as "full-time, temporary." A senior at Penn at the time, he was hired to fill in on the copy desk during a staff illness. The notion of him covering the Eagles or being a columnist did not exist in anyone's imagination. It was supposed to be six weeks and out, but he never left. It is only one of the reasons why so many people have concerns about him as a potential house guest. Rich has blogged the postseasons of the Flyers and Eagles.

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