More cops; strict curfew
Mayor Nutter says he is going to put more police on the street this weekend and strictly enforce curfew for young people in response to recent problems.
More cops; strict curfew
Miriam Hill
Mayor Nutter said Friday that he would put more police on street patrol and make sure they enforce curfews for young people in an effort to prevent crimes caused by children and teens randomly attacking people in the city.
"To the few who think they can get away with acting violently and disrespecting our city, you will be caught, and there are serious consequences," Nutter said in a news release.
The city's current curfew law says children under the age of 13 must be home by 10 p.m., and young people between the ages of 13 and 18 must be home by midnight.
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I was talking to a person who went to Catholic School years ago. I asked if the Sisters used their rulers to correct the bad kids. He said the Sister left welts on his back one day. He told his father. His father said that since the Sister had hit him; his father hit him again. No law suits in those days; just discipline and punishment.— The Public have no logical thoughts- Lock up the parents for 6 months. Put the kids in a foster home. Freedom is not Free. Discipline will prevail.— The Public have no logical thoughts
- so what you suggesting is that what got to do the parents job now because their parents cant do it, when you say "kids" ....please font even includes all kids. my kids and their friends do go out and hurt people, don't you mean an certain race of kids?? is the flash mob of all race, do they hurt their kind?— watersnake
- The victims of these crimes are people who have trusted that the police and the criminal justice system will protect them from the lawless. I recommend that Mr. Ramsey and criminal judges should read all the comments posted here and begin to comprehend what it is that the law-abiding public expects.
Impose stiff fines on the parents of anyone convicted of these crimes and suspend their public assistance. The core of these problems is the "entitlement" mentality. Society's charitableness cannot be extended to those who seek to destroy the very fabric of the society that feeds these people.— SammyD - AND another thing. I'm pretty sure that black kids aren't the only kids in Philadelphia causing terror to different communities. These are just the ones we hear about on the news because of where it is and the fact that it's a very large group of kids. I'm glad this curfew is intact for all kids, no matter what race they are. Black kids aren't the only kids who have parents who don't take care of them. Just look in the Frankford/Kensington area. You'll see all types of people there.— jazlove23
- The victims of these crimes are people who have trusted that that the police and the criminal justice system will protect them from the lawless. I recommend that Mr. Ramsey and criminal judges should read all the comments posted here and begin to comprehend what it is that the law-abiding public expects.— SammyD
- Start charging the parents with rioting and neglect for their kids' actions and watch how fast (s)he gets :"pookie:" under control when they cannot go out with their lovers on friday night. And I'm hip hop-centric.!!— flyingshrapnel
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"To the few who think they can get away with acting violently and disrespecting our city, you will be caught, and there are serious consequences"
Mayor Nutter, these kids are laughing at your "serious consequences". The courts have to impose really serious fines on the parents of the perpetrators and steps must be taken to cut public assistance payments to any parents of those convicted of such crimes. The root of these problems is the "entitlement" mentality, Mr. Nutter.— SammyD 
Philadelphia: A city pushed to the edge, people pushed to the limit, and no one's got the guts to stop them, but there is one way, one man who won't be pushed - Charles Bronson!— Professor Smart E. Pants, PhD.- Another case of the government and/or authorities doing something that makes no sense, just so they can say they "did something." Doesn't matter if its relevent. Kind of like when a shoe bomber boards a plane... then they "take higher security measures" and we all have to walk barefoot through security. Just public "feel good" and "comfort" measures. Obviously the next bomber wouldn't put it in their shoes, they'd find another place! But taking your shoes off is supposed to make you feel safe and feel like they are doing something. Nutter is doing something very similar in that its a "see, we are making you safer" gesture. Anyone with a brain knows it makes no sense considering most of these have happened before the curfew times anyways. Ha, typical.— CCphotog
Comment removed.- doesn't work.....oooops— philligrl
- These attacks are taking place in the daytime and early evening......and to think we wonder why government does work....we elect idiots on the local, state and federal level.— philligrl
- @jazlove23:
You do realize you're posting at philly.com, right?— mattand - Haha, I guess I didn't realize how crazy it could get. This is my first time actually posting here. — jazlove23
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- This is their best plan!!! To eliminate violence by the roving packs of thugs, curfew should be enforced at all times!!!! Does this just go for the elite Center City corridor, or will it be enforced throughout the city??? Some leader Nutter has turned out to be , stop being so PC about and go after the thugs were they are...After questioning the 4-5 from the last incident, the authorities know where they're at!!!!— Dadair1
This site is reporting 'random' attacks, but the comments here suggest they were not random, but targeted against whites. Where are you folks getting your information?— Jean Valjean- To late now Mr.Mayor........this rat hole of a city ie: downtown has a tarnished image now. Can you fix it? These young savage animals need a good whop on the head.....I hope they catch some of them and lock them away, especially the 11 year olds. What a terror this is to take over certain parts of downtown. I really can't say how I feel on here and what I would like to see someone do ( vigalante) and blow this turdlets away... They all need a lesson in behavior. Are you listening mama? where are your kids your accountable for your children parents. It's your fault, your children are a reflection of how you raised them and how your parent them. Your not doing a good job if you let your turdlets run the street and beat up on innocent white people, you turdlets cause harm and ruin lives....Shame on you parents, shame on you....are you listening Mr.Mayor???— merchandiser
- all you people would not be happy what any body does. it a freaking start. why don't you get a group of people and help patrol the streets. the idiots whoi do these ignorant crimes won'tgo home beforew 10/mignight, son be the eyes of the police then give them a call. i know i know the next coment will b e the police won't come. wow.— coachbarnes10
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- No. I'm not saying your racist. I know this is racial, as every time a flash mob occurs, all of the people involved are black. My thing is, there honestly was no need to call anyone names. We ALL know they are black, ignorant kids. Lets keep it at that. — jazlove23
This is why I am a huge fan of pre-gaming. Pre-bar cocktails are not only economical, but they have become a safety measure as it puts me out of the house right after the flash mobbers are supposedly sent home.— Jame Gumb- Why did this become a racial thing?— jazlove23
- This does not make any sense.......most of the attacks are y people ages 13-18 and around 7-9 pm.......how in the world is this going to work??? Good luck with this Philadelphia, be safe!!!!— aswj
- Everyday I start to feel more and more like an extra in Death Wish 3.— Professor Smart E. Pants, PhD.
- I think the Mayor Nutter should take another week vacation and wait another week for the next mob of thugs and LOSERS to really hurt someone, it is very sad it has taken this long, just like most city services, which is why I will NEVER move to the city, prefer to stay in Delco! To anyone walking in the city, "watch your back" and be prepared to respond, or you will regret it later!— joeyg09
- Any kid caught goes to a military school until age 18.— BarryG
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- Jeanne Dixon, what is it you are trying to say? Is that ok to hurt people for no reason?
You are part of the problem.— Nitroglycerin - I hate to say it but a little police brutality like when I was a teen in the 70's when Rizzo was around would do the trick. Problem the parents would be quick to file a suit instead of thanking the police for doing their jobs...— mymic1
- A tragedy did happen. Two years ago these animals killed a guy who had an asthma attack after they jumped him on the Sepat platform. He worked at starbucks.— Bubba James
- Curfews?! Not everyone young is an immature crime prone citizen. This is flagrant and outrageous age discrimination! Age is a protected class! You can't discriminate against race, sex, age, etc.— DrTruth
- So sad I moved out of Philly 10 years ago.— SaganRand
- curfew for kids.. Think about it. Just think about it.
Now throw money at Ackerman. See if it helps. :)
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- Does the curfew include the white kids?— The Philly Shadow
- It is an existing ordinance(?) that is merely being enforced. There really is no story here, just rhetoric. One more of those 'rules' that the city picks when it wants to enforce, then wonders why people do not take any of them seriously. They might as well make everything anybody ever does illegal and just pick when they want to make some extra cash from a fine or shut someone up.
- Let's be honest here. Curfew enforcement has never been a priority. With declining manpower and increasing crime, it is even less of a priority. Nobody wants little Johnny being escorted home while there's a robbery in progress 2 block over. This is just more bread and circuses for the people. — Trident252
- The homies will make sure to attack all the white people before 9:00 pm. They wouldn't want to get caught doing something stupid like breaking curfew.— farley
- I live right across the street from City Hall, and my view of the intersection at 15th and Market is perfect. I can see south almost to Wendy's and then about 5 blocks north of Spring Garden. I've posted video on YouTube of some of the craziness, and I will have my camera ready from now on, to take pics or video that will go directly to the media if necessary. Since last Friday's attacks, there have been 2 or 3 police on the corner of 15th and Market, by the Clothespin, but only between about 5-9 p.m. Right now, at 4:15 p.m., the sidewalks are crowded all the way from Chestnut Street to Love Park and there's not a police officer in sight. And there are never any officers out there after 10 or 11 p.m. unless someone calls 911. Mayor Nutter and his police commissioner are clueless and inept. I'm a lifelong Democrat, but I wouldn't vote for this bozo again if you paid me. The buzz in my neighborhood is that a lot of people agree with me.
- Pack your 44 Bulldog and come back at these punks with heat..— DelcoSchmelco
- Violently attacking someone is dead wrong! But we need to Create program for these kids, most of these kids involve in these “Flash Mob” are not harden criminals, just kids that need direction & guidance. I challenge any of you to ride through the city & see what Recreation centers are open at night. Most Centers lights are off (Rec. Centers are dark), way before curfew hours does it make more sense to monitor and engage with these young people in their community that deal with them in Center City.— ya ya
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- @ya ya: so, what you suggesting is that we got to do the parents job now because their parents cant do it? when you say "kids" ....please dont even includes all kids. my kids and their friends dont go out and hurt people, don't you mean a certain race of kids?? is the flash mob of all races, do they hurt their kind? why don't you be the responsible one and start guiding these "not harden" criminals as you call it. if they know how to hurt innocents at any age, they are criminals to me.
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- Not hardened criminals? Your definition of hardened is a little different from mine and most of the commenters. Anyone who makes a conscious effort to join a group and assault people fit the criteria of "hardened." Stop minimizing criminal behavior! — mjc1
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- The punks involved in these mobs should be given a 1-2 year minimum sentence in jail or juvenile detention center. In addition, their parents should be held financially liable for the damages and compensate those injured. Lowlife punk thugs.....I wish they could see this, but that would require the ability to read.— Tar Heel 1
- It's spreading to wisconsin, now too. google it. mobs of black yoots, beating white people for no other reason than they're white. this is an interstate hate crime and the feds should be handling it. it's too big a problem for this city. the feds need to make examples of some of these thugs. not likely to happen, though.— eaglesfillthesky
- @teksys, what DixonBunz said.
@lifecoachservices4liberals, you're in idiot. Can white folks be exempt from the attacks too?
@Nutter and the police, the curfew would curtail about 0 of the attacks. Although some of the kids are as young as 11, most a are a little older, and most of the attacks occur before midnight. Further, this just means that on top of assault, they should be charged with a curfew violation as well. And what if they don't have proof of age? And what will you do with them when they're in violation of curfew, ask them to go home? So far, this "new strategy" would have prevented nothing, charged 4 people with a curfew violation, and sentenced them to counseling. Bravo.— T - If the thugs involved in this type of activity are minors the parents should be held responsible also. Control your children or pay the consequences. If parents receive any type of government welfare it should be terminated. I'm tired of hearing what the city government, police, schools etc. should do. They are your children get them under control.— mindstorms
- I wish a flash mob of poorly raised kids would try and attack me. Mr. Glock 30 and 2 extra 10 round mags say that I'd come out of it with few bruises.......law abiding citizens need to lay a couple of them to rest and I'd bet the problem would go away.— MrBigDizzle
- hey yawl, speaking of flash-mobs, I just saw "Rise of the Planet of the Apes." I was truly amazed by the socio-economic, and cultural difference that parallel what is going on in this city.
- Yes lifecoach.... White kids don't have this animal behavior in them like these little monkeys!— pritter
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- One in a string of many shallow efforts by "lame mayor" and trusty sidekick "overpaid police commissioner".— moretoit
- All of the kids seem to come from North Philly...can we just put a wall up around North Philly and keep them in?— dgabs
@teksys- Drinking age in Pa is 21, and the curfew is for adolescents under the age of 18. Maybe you should stop drinking and driving and pay closer attention to the words you're reading.— DixonBunz- Comment removed.
- Even more proof; teksys doesn't know that 'drinking and driving' is illegal no matter what erroneous age he or she attaches to it. — Professor Smart E. Pants, PhD.
- or typing, same diff. — beerflow
- I always say speak softly and carry a large bottle of pepper spray.— BobSG
- teksys- last time I checked, the legal drinking age is 21.— mike c
- Because those involved with this animal like behavior clearly are rule followers. They listen to both parents (ha- 2 parents, yeah right) and do everything they are told.— railrider
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- i hear ya, now white kids have to follow these curfew?? wtf — watersnake
- @ 18 you can legally drink and drive, get married, be drafted into the armed services, fight and die for the country. But have to be in your home and off the streets of Philadelphia. Can anyone one say police state? Life in the "liberal", "progressive" world.— teksys
- "you can legally drink and drive" Hahahahaha! Thanks for the laugh, teksys. — Professor Smart E. Pants, PhD.
- Sorry, but the last time I checked, drinking is still illegal for me and I'm 20 yrs old. Also, drinking & DRIVING has never been legal. For anyone. Honestly, I agree with the age limit being 18 because many young adults, my age and younger, act like CHILDREN. Sure, increasing the amount of police on the street will help a bit, but children are becoming less afraid of them everyday. I believe what they need is a PARENT to tell their butts to stay in the house, where 13-16 yr olds belong at 9 & 10 at night. — jazlove23
- Whatever happened to the "come home before the street lights come on" rule? — jazlove23
- They used that phrase back when people lived as families in places called home.
The phrase became irrelevant with the advent of single teenage moms living on the streets or in their grandmother's basement. - You make no sense — DixonBunz
- What would Frank Rizzo (as police commissioner) do ? That's what the city needs to do. This city certainly has the ability to stop the problem, the politicians and commissioner just don't have the desire/intestinal fortitude. They are terrified of offending the minority community. It will take a tragedy (either an innocent tourist beaten to death or mob participants being gunned down by a vigilante) to resolve this issue.— section117
- Hey, I first proposed the Frank Rizzo question after Kevin Riordan's piece earlier this week. :) But you are right on.
• Posted 6:08 AM, 08/02/2011
Take away the free transpasses. Does anyone else think that if Frank Rizzo were still alive and serving as Police Commissioner or Mayor, this city would have never have experienced more than one of these flash mobs? Has anyone heard a peep about this incident, or even lately, from the much-hyped and no-action 10,000 men?
Follow-up: Center City is under-policed and always has been. There are cops clearly visible at most corners in New York City, especially Manhattan. Center City Philly never has a dedicated foot patrol presence except for special events or knee jerk responses like this one. Most police I see are in patrol cars yakking on cell phones and the ones I do see out of their cars are texting away.— Ray10 
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- This is all he has to say? Some leader.— OldCityJoe
- I'm sure this will do tons of good, since the mob attacks have been happening before curfew; some in broad daylight. Does anyone at city hall think before they speak?— seinman
LMAO.- Most of the mob attacks have occurred between 7 and 9PM...this should work great.
- You are correct. — chuck.goodwin
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