Flyers start 0-2 for first time since '08
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Flyers start 0-2 for first time since '08
Frank Seravalli
BUFFALO, N.Y. -- Five percent of the Flyers' season is gone, and they've yet to register a point in the standings. That's the unfortunate reality of the NHL's shortened, 48-game season.
Almost all of the Flyers' troubles on their opening weekend could be attributed to shoddy special teams play. Buffalo scored separate power play and shorthanded goals over the final 6 minutes to break a 2-2 tie, dropping the Flyers, 5-2, in their home-opener at the First Niagara Center.
The Flyers were back on the ice early Sunday for their second nationally-televised game of the weekend, less than 20 hours after going 0-for-5 on the power play while allowing 2-of-3 power play goals against Pittsburgh on Saturday.
The Flyers are now 20-14-11 all-time in their first road contest of a season.
This is the Flyers' first 0-2-0 start to the season since 2008. In fact, it took them nearly 85 minutes of play to gain their first lead of the season, which Claude Giroux did with a top-shelf, power play snipe in the second period.
That lead lasted just 10:57, before Thomas Vanek matched for Buffalo with his own man-advantage tally.
Defenseman Tyler Myers broke a 2-2 tie with 5:03 left in the third period. Newly-acquired defenseman Luke Schenn was in the box for two of Buffalo's three power play goals. Cody Hodgson added an insurance goal for the Sabres and Vanek iced it with an empty-netter.
The Flyers closed their first weeked just 4-for-9 on the penalty kill and 1-for-9 on the power play.
SLAP SHOTS: Forward Zac Rinaldo left the game midway through the first period with a “lower-body” injury and did not return. NBC’s Pierre McGuire reported on-air that Rinaldo was cut my a skate. The Flyers are expected to provide more information post-game ... Former Flyer Ville Leino missed the game with a right hip injury ... Moorestown, N.J., native T.J. Brennan was a healthy scratch for Buffalo. The Sabres do not want to risk sending Brennan, 23, back to AHL Rochester through waivers for risk he’ll be claimed ... The Sabres were also missing perennial thorn Nathan Gerbe, who is still recovering from back surgery.
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Comments (96)
Got robbed on two (2) goals today, but still you cannot expect to win when your best player is 18 year old Scott Laughton who is here on a five (5) day trial. At this point I wolld put him on the same line as Giroux and move Schenn to checking line. Anybody seen Matt Read?— rockinrob- Fyers wont make the playoffs.— donjuango
- Certainly not with Bryzgaloot in net! — BEMiller
- 24 hours of hockey and you wimps throw up the white flag? — hipdaddy
- Very slow defense, average at best goalie, and no offense = long season— shawnmac
- Naaah!
To be average one must be better than half the rest. No way that Bryzgaloot is better than half the NHL goalies!
GOOD GRIEF!— BEMiller - Same old Flyers just not enough talent to win!!
Bryz just ok two games two better goalies
— tchamp3 - Bryzgalov=90 million dollar bust=fraud— donjuango
- Naaah!
Bryzgaloot is an $89M bust. He's worth one million over ten years!
GOOD GRIEF!— BEMiller - Disgraceful officiating. Just flat out freaking bad. Looked like NFL replacements refs out there.
Yes, Flyers got to be better specially on PK.— Nitroglycerin - So, let's see.
If you GET BEAT it's the refs?
GOOD GRIEF!
What a deficient whine!— BEMiller - You said it BE! It's never the fact the Flyers got worked. It's ALWAYS the officiating. The Flyers do more diving and whining than any team, have Hartnell who either hits from behind or after the whistle, but the refs are bias against them.
— CentralPAman - Yo BEMiller, what's your problem? Get lost. — Vituperator
- BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!— PHIILY YA DIG?
- BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!— PHIILY YA DIG?
- Here we go again!
Did the great Ilya Bryzgaloot pass his second test?
GOOD GRIEF!
What a waste of space he is!— BEMiller - Terrible officiating in that game. Does anyone know if officials can be sanctioned by the league for bad calls? The interference call alone was a disgrace.
That said, the Flyers did on defense what the Phillies did in the outfield this offseason; put a bunch of maybes together and hope it works. It doesn't. The offense is missing the depth it had with Jagr and JVR last year and Bryz, while he hasn't been horrendous, is not worth the money he's getting. The writing is on the wall for a bad year, but if it's going to happen, best it be in a 48 game season with two potential superstars at the top of the draft.
— Repubrebirth - Suspect this game, and the two losses, owe a lot more to Bryzgaloot than to officiating.
GOOD GRIEF!
Officiating is NEVER the difference!— BEMiller - GOOD GRIEF!! Read the whole comment before responding to it. I hardly was laying the blame solely on the officials. — Repubrebirth
- season = over— brio
- Not at all ready to concede that!
Perhaps Bryzgaloot can be replaced!— BEMiller - I would not pay a dime to watch this garbage of a team.— donjuango
- wow, negadelphia! Flyers got jobbed on the calls, Brzy made some great saves, and Hartnell has a nice right cross. I saw a lot of positives this weekend, and when Briere comes back, scoring will go back up. Flyers will make the playoffs and stoked that Bryz is playing good. Don't know what games everyone else watched, but I'm not jumping off a bridge yet. Hockey is back, it was 2 tough losses in less then 24 hours, and there was no quit in the team. Lighten up.— arcadegm
- Frankly, it really looks as though Ilya Bryzgaloot is picking up where he left off in the past.
Don't care how many saves he made, 4 goals on 40 shots is way out of line!— BEMiller - I do not have to explain my self to idiots such BEMiller who came here to troll, trying to hit people with his purse like a little b**ch. As a fan, I just want to see decent product on the ice.— Nitroglycerin
- The purpose of any professional team should be to win a championship, nothing less. I LOVE all the Philly teams, and have stood by them my whole life, which is a long time, but we are again in dark times. No way the Flyers will win the Stanley Cup and that's the only thing I care about. Sad to say 2 games into the season. Sixers are not even close. Eagles are trying to sort through the rubble of a train wreck. Phillies could surprise us, who knows. Hope springs eternal.— DKASH
- Arcadegm, this is a 48 game season and they've suffered 2 inter conference losses in less than 24 hours. There are not a lot of positives with this season so far. Add to the fact, the traditional weak teams (Florida, Tampa, Carolina) in the conference improved and the Flyers did not. In fact, they have less now in terms of offense than last year. This is not a guaranteed playoff team this year.— Repubrebirth
- Kudos to Harntell for really stepping up and taking on known thug Drew Stafford. He really showed his mettle there. Who is next on his list? Stamkos? Oh and Giroux better watch out against NJ. They need to make him pay for his dirty hit on Zubrus.— CentralPAman
- Dont think you can put this on Bryz at all, granted there was goals that should have been routine saves but the Flyers just look sloppy, especially early game. If they play like they do in 2nd and early 3rd, they should be alright. We will be alright, just watch!— kmilke22
- The Refs are terrible but they are not biased. They made a couple horrible calls that benefited the Flyers. But they couldn't take advantage of it. ALSO remember the refs are also coming off a long layoff. Bottom line is that they are 0-2 and need a win vs the Devils badly. Giroux seems like the only guy who has shown up so far.— litzy630
- Better get back to traing camp... You're not that good...— Soul child2013
- This game was gifted to Buffalo. 2 legit goals disallowed, one bad goal by Buffalo allowed, a WHOLE BUNCH of BS penalties (Hartnell's hit, the goalie "interference" call). It was like playing Crysby and the NHL Penguins again.— mbrown3
- they are finished, it is over for 2013.......we look forward to 2013-2014 season........go flyboy's— tjwin23
- Just listened to FLYERED UP on NBC 10. They all seem so positive. if the Flyers win vs the Devils they'll be planning the parade route. It's laughable how biased they all are.— litzy630
- I was afraid of that. The Flyers suck this year. The Zebras did rob us of two goals though. Small conciliation though.— truthfirst
- If you bothered to watch the game, you know one PHL goal goal was waived off due to a bogus interference call and a BUF goal was kicked in. Still, they looked very listless...need a "spark plug" type to get them motivated. Bryz did what he could do...looks like they could dig themselves in a deep hole pretty quickly this season.— mickeyb4boyle
- How well did you watch it " The Buffalo goal went of his skate. He didn't kick it in. It was obvious from the ceiling camera, it was a momentum deflection of the skate. The player didn't even know it was there. — dmn
- The drool running down Ed Snider's mouth just got a little longer.— Wilhelm Von Humboldt
- Sid the kid has offered skating lessons to those less fortunate, the "flyered ups" should consider enrolling in one of his classes— Soul child2013
- Do you fans know how much money the Flyers have to send to teams that cant exist on their own, out of your money spent???
Lets start with 6 mill a year plus if I read the CBA correctly 35% of playoff revenue??
This is a bailout, its communism and makes Obamacare look like a right wing tea party idea.
Why do Flyer/Ranger/Toronto/Detroit fans have to subsidize failing franchises?
This is a ripoff and as long as you blindly go to games & buy souveniers, the Flyers will never win the Cup , its reserved for failing teams and franchises below the mason dixon line, or teams that suck up to Bettman.— Steelmanpa - Time to panic 0 and 2 computes to 0 and 4 in a full season. The Devils are gonna destroy them Tuesday night. Bye bye Lavy.— schnitzelboy
No one who actually watched this game can say the Flyers weren't robbed of 2 goals by the refs. And as usual, buffalo got away with plenty of hooks and trips that had been whistled on the Flyers.— Pelti- This is not just a goalie issue. It is how they play as a team. Year after year, no matter who is on the team, they don't come out with passion, awareness of one another on the ice, and controlling the puck against the other team. The game has changed since they won the Cup in the 70's, and to win now, they need to adapt to whatever the other team is doing. Their intensity has to be for the entire sixty minute game. With the play we have all seen year after year, you cannot continue to place yourself in bad spots and try to rebound because time will eventually run out.— gaphillyfan
- Apparently, all philly fans are whiners, complaining about the refs, how about 8 goals against, 3 goals for in two games how about whining about that! Pelti you're just a whiner like all the rest— Soul child2013
- Don't throw this Flyer squad under the bus just yet. Two legitimate goals by the Flyers were disallowed tonight and the Sabres were clearly more rested in period 3. Bryz was perfeclty okay, but the PK unit totally messed it up again today. Also, apart from G again there was no scoring touch in them. Yes, Simmods received a lot of deserved praise from the NBC commentators, yet he has missed on a number of juicy scoring chances so far. Disappointed in Luke Schenn so far.— flyerdommo
- Anyone blaming goaltending has no idea how to dissect and analyze this sport. Bryzgalov was the only reason that this game was not a complete embarrassment. Same issues as last season, but they have significantly less skill this year. All of you Carle bashers need to watch the slow, laborious defence try to slug themselves out of their own zone. Simmonds had the best season he will ever have, last year. The guy who misses open nets, and tries to pass to guys that are completely covered...that is Simmonds. A very hard worker, and a great third line player.
Speaking of third line players.....it is Brayden Schenn time yet again. He needs to accept his fate as a role player in this league. He is a third line winger. Period. Remember when he was in the AHL and touted as the best player not in the AHL. Well, not he looks like the best AHL blayer currently in the NHL. Not skilled enough to be a top six forward, and not working hard enough to be a grinder.
This team will very likely miss the playoffs. And it will happen in spite of the great goaltending they are currently getting..— Hexy4GM - EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta love how Philly fans bail on their team the first chance they get. What a joke.— Stephen45
- Right, because 10 people are surely representative of all Philly sports fans. Dolt. — Jabey
- You're right, i meant to say, Gotta love how "some"... Although maybe you should reread these posts, cause it's more like 70 outta 100 posters are ready to write this team off. I'd guess the negativity stems from our title droughts, people get real tired of all the false hopes year after year and i get that, but whats the point of being a fan if you're ready to bail on your team after 2 freakin games. Talk about a "Dolt". — Stephen45
- Bryz played amazing, I am not sure what the rest of you are watching.. When the D is non-existent, you can't blame the goalie for deflected shots and rebounds, and/or breakaways... Almost all the goals scored against him were when the Flyers were short. They need to get in shape and fast!— RJP
- Bryz looked awesome on that Vanek goal. Seriously, how can anyone defend him at this point. He makes routine saves look spectacular. Absolutely zero technique and no athleticism.
— Mike Boryla - No scoring!! You look at this roster and you say who are these guys? Then watching NHL Network highlights this morning all you heard was ex Flyers doing well. This team makes the playoffs it will be one and done. Waited until January or this !!! Holmgren needs to go!!!— slade1955
- F all the haters! The refs stunk...the Schenns stunk....period!— Phillyfan666
- No comment.— FlyersLosersFor38Years
- It's almost time for pitcher's, catchers and the 25 million dollar BLIMP at first base who can't hit a curve ball.— Duck2late
- or anything else — dmn
- I told you guys before the season started this is a 1970's defense...slow and big...that wont work in current NHL..you need D men who are fast..can handle puck and move puck out of the ZONE...anyone left who wants to argue the point that not 1 Flyer defenseman could make it in the top 5 D men on the Rangers..and like I told you everyone saying what great young guns we have well like I said this team will struggle for offense these youngs guys are not there yet and who knows if they ever will be..add that to the fact that I told you guys like Hartnell..Simmonds..Talbot..Read all had career years last year not to be repeated...I will stay with my prediction it will be a challenge for the Flyers to make the playoffs...and this after 2 decent games by BRYZ— flyers1000
- Flyers1000 - that was very well said, you should take the job of the team beat writers. — Repubrebirth
- Hey flyers1000 you have way too much time on your hands... But you make an excellent point...— Soul child2013
- Man, I'm getting tired of all "the sky is falling" fans out there. Been an absolute die-hard Philly fan my entire life-- through good times and bad. Why is it that after two freaking games everyone is complaining about how terrible things are. Two games people! You guys seriously make me embarrassed to shout out that I'm a Philly fan. We'll end up probably a #5 seed in the playoffs and then anything can happen. Not where we want to be, but not bad with our core group of young guys (Giroux, Read, Schenn's , Simmonds, Couturier, Laughton). And Bryz hasn't played that bad--The PP is the problem, which Laviolette will fix. Get off the ledge people- all's good. It could be worse, you could have all been born Penguin or Devil fans. 0-48 is better than that!— PZ2012
- The way the Flyers season is going it would be good if the beat writers would detail how the new draft lottery will work and provide some profiles on top prospects like Seth Jones and Nathan McKinnon.— Repubrebirth
- Okay, flyer faithful and koolade drinkers....a shortened season and they can't get up for the Pens in thier home opener and got smoked in the first period....and now they go to freakin Buffallo and get hosed.....What is your excuse today......Sorry they are just not that good...but don't worry, you orange blooded stepfords will balme it on Bryz or the refs or something....HAHA— nuggett
- Keep believing the hype put by CSN, controlled media outlet owned by the team. This is an above average team, who if anyone recalls was outmuscled and thoroughly outplayed by the Devils who were in turn manhandled by the Kings.........now where do you think the Flyers really stand???— Northcountry
- It's Terry Murray time. You can get by with mediocre defensemen if you actually try to play defense once in a while.
— TexColorado - Have you seen what Murray has done with the Phantoms? Despite having 7 guys in Adirondack that played in the NHL last season, he still couldn't get that team to play above .500. No thanks. Tired of retreads. — schnitzelboy
- Not throwing in the towel by any means but the chemistry does not look to be there for this team. I look for them to move swiftly to pick up a waiver wire type of pick up or to look for help from someone unsigned. They need more than Simmonds and Hartnell driving the net. Does anyone know where Mike Knuble is these days?— Claudio Vernight
- My comments now are as they were all of last year..because nothing has changed..
We do not have a good coach. As a matter of fact, he flat out stinks to high heaven.
Yes, I know he doesn't skate & doesn't do what players are supposed to do out there...but that is exactly the point.
Last year, he needed to call his time out within the first 3 minutes 6 times..and once in the playoffs. This is unacceptable! It should be an embarassment to the team, the fans, and himself.. Sadly, it's not.
This example is exactly what you saw in game 1. The team was not prepared to take the ice. They gave up goals..it should have been more, and it cost them the game. This is squarely on the coach...
The team was the most penalized in the league last year..this shows a complete lack of dicipline. So far too hasn't changed.
This is squarely on the coach as well.
His system that plays run n' gun, does not stress defense..Not from defensemen and especially not from the forwards, it's his system & it's a losers system. It doesn't work in any sport, and is squarely on the coach.
With a defense that is slow, getting old, and a goalie that raises more questions than not, his system is doomed to fail. It cannot win.
Homer needs to cut his losses and find someone who can get the most from what he's got. someone who will get the team to play a tight checking, force & take avantage of turnovers style and hope one of the 2 guys in net plays slightly better than average. This is the only way we can hope to win.
I'm a Flyers fan from the beginning, a Flyers fan for life.
But I've seen enough hockey in my time to be realisitc and know what I'm looking at, and it isn't good.— dedhed - All Philly teams suck big time and for years to come! You have a city who cares less! Philly has change and they are bunch of wooooooooooosies!— losteagle
- Claudia better watch out against NJ....I hope the devils smoke him and put his fragile little scarf wearing neck through the end boards. Pay back time!!!— CentralPAman
- Homer, don't trade that 2013 1st round pick. It may be a top 5 pick.— zeke128
- Problem is obvious: They're tired.— gakski
- The biggest issue with the overwhelming majority of Flyers teams over the past (almost) 40 years is that they are coached and play to the attitude of most of the fan base instead of playing disciplined and winning hockey. The Flyers would rather drop the gloves and have a highlight reel winger or centerman to light the lamp numerous times instead of cultivating a winning organization. They play the same way year after year after year.....only to come up empty year after year after year. They should have thrown a boatload of cash at New jersey's Lou Lamoriello years back to entice him to bring his magic to Philly. Granted the Flyers didn't and don't have a legend between the pipes like Brodeur but Lamoriello would have changed the attitude. Bobby Clarke & Co do not win in today's NHL (nor in the 2000s, the 1990s or the 1980s)...spirited effort in the '87 Finals but they only took the lead in one game. The question is......will it ever change in Philadelphia or will it be as nasty as the New York Rangers with taunts of "1975" after 50 years?— TheIceDog
- Ed Snider can't live forever. This organization needs to stop the promoting of every past Flyer into a coaching, management or scouting position. They refuse to study and learn from the winning organizations. They still think they can recover the magic of 40 years ago. First order of business is to steal one of Detroit's or NJ's scouts and make hime head of our scouting department. The Flyers haven't drafted an all-star defenseman in decades. Same with the goaltending position. — schnitzelboy
- Ed Snider can't live forever. This organization needs to stop the promoting of every past Flyer into a coaching, management or scouting position. They refuse to study and learn from the winning organizations. They still think they can recover the magic of 40 years ago. First order of business is to steal one of Detroit's or NJ's scouts and make hime head of our scouting department. The Flyers haven't drafted an all-star defenseman in decades. Same with the goaltending position. — schnitzelboy
- The goaltending has been the lone brightspot morons. I'm so sick of the no-nothing hockey fans. Bryz has been positionally sound and anticipating great..every goal has either been deflected or screened. Now, the real issues are the line combos and you could see it coming. Schenn looks lost on top line. get Voracek up there, and let Schenn go back to center or maybe a winger on Briere's line when he gets back along with Simmonds. Couturier belongs centering the 3rd line with talbot and Read. Laughton looks decent to stay if Rinaldo misses a few, and can center wellwood and fedotenko. Briere coming back will mak a huge difference IMO. Miss Jagr much? he's lighting it up already— philly thug
- Lavy is definitely the issue...been saying this after I gave him a year. He simply does not get his players ready to play a team style, esp defense. To run his style, you need fast dmen, not physical and slow. We have one puck moving dman and he is 37. Part of this falls on Homer and how Snider wants to win, but Lavy needs to adjust to what he has. It's like we have two different teams out there. I get the shortened season, but every team is on an even playing field. Lavy (and his style) is getting exposed right now.— dave1walsh
- At least the Rags are getting pummeled by the Pens. Lundy gives up 4 softies and gets yanked/benched in the 2nd period. Once again, the Rags are overhyped by the league, ESPN, etc.....what else is new?— TheIceDog
- same old flyers fans, if they win their awesome, if they lose they suck..how about the stupid reaction fans just go away, a hockey fan that knows the game can see that poor special teams did them in, they could easily be 2 and 0, and with the exception of the first periods outplayed both teams five on five. the power play and pk will improve, no training camp remember?— deatheater
- not a surprise icedog...typically pens beat rangers, rangers beat flyers, flyers beat pens— philly thug
- In contrast to IceDog's comments, the Flyers do in fact cultivate a winning organization. The Flyers enjoy the 2nd highest winning percentage in the league, only behind the Habs. The Flyers are perennial competitors and truly rarely miss the playoffs (5 straight years in the early 90's noted). Since 1975 they have made it to the Stanley Cup final 6 times, again only behind the Habs. They have just been unable to close the deal, although they really should have done so in 2010. I for one love the tough hockey philosophy - it is part of what defines the Flyers. Unfortunately, one of the consequences of the 'Bully" style is that there is an undoubted bias against the Flyers by many in the League, including some referees. That makes it so much sweeter when the Boys succeed. I look forward to the day when Giroux will hoist the Cup.— OrangeFury
The good news is that the Flyers will be off the front sports page once the regular season is over at the end of April. They'll be going home and baseball will be where it belongs....the central focus of the sports section.- Seems to me Bryz is a mistake, problem is how at this stage of the game do you rectify it? You can't unload him with his contract unless you eat it. Looks like like a lost shortened season for the Flyers.— mcgill
- thank you orange fury, at least someone knows this sport and our history,,,,,and i'd like to add the flyers were screwed in 80, (leon stikle call) and would have won cups in 85 and 87 if they did not have to play a team sporting at least five hall of fame players.— deatheater
- anyone blaming Bryz or the officials knows less than nothing about hockey. zero.— bobbyd24
- So officials did not blow two legit goals by the Flyers? Not saying our PK is awesome but come on. Two brutal calls by refs resulted no goals. It'a not even a bad penalty call.
I wonder wth do you YOU about hockey?— Nitroglycerin - Send Wellwood to the Phantoms, and bring up Tye McGinn for some greasy goals and help out Simmonds
— olneyboy - I skipped all the BS to say this, Flyers lost, plain and simple. Yeah 2 bad calls today, but you know what, we had our chances. We need Danny B back in there. As far as the skate "kick" goal for Buff, the refs made right call, he was stopping. Tired of peoples excuses on here and giving up just because we are 0-2 in 2 days. Give em a break, let them play and we will see what everybodys saying later. GO FLYERS— kmilke22
- Breeze-Goal-Ov is not the answer.— TheIceDog
- Wellwood should be replaced by Tye McGinn to get some greasy goals and add somemore size to the Flyers' overall team. The defence is too slow, and Lavy is going to have to change his system.— olneyboy
- Wellwood should be replaced by Tye McGinn to get some greasy goals and add somemore size to the Flyers' overall team. The defence is too slow, and Lavy is going to have to change his system.— olneyboy
- cant keep blaming it on Bryz, our defense is horrible. and the offense had every opportunity in the world to score goals, just need that stick in there (Danny B)— kmilke22
- As usual the refs blew it, Bryz still can't seem to steal a game, the PK sucks, and sad to say but the best player not named Giroux is only on the team for 5 games. In a 48 game season you can't afford to jerk around and throw away points like we always do. This weekend was a major FAIL.— Fly Guy
- The officiating is the same as it has been since the Flyer's entered the league. It is bad when the template for a player is the 1974 version NHL player. It is also disgusting watching the latest Kerry Frazier or Ard Skov as refs.
But I save my venom, as always for our two latest board trolls.
Is there irony in souless 2013, after 20 posts, telling a Philly poster he has "too much time"? But, the idiot Cindy Penqueen fan doesn't even know what irony is, so my words are lost on some acne scarred loser kid.
CentralPAman... who are you? Jerry Sandusky in Happy Valley? Do they give you posting privileges? As to the Devils, that rat trap playing group of bores, deserve banishment. How many people can Corey Booker put in the stands? If it weren't for Flyer fans, the stands would look like the Miami Marlins fans in single digits.— PhillyboyinNYC - Hating all the negativity here, some of you like to just post so you can say to your three other non-hockey knowledge friends "man I told you so, they suck, bryz sucks" and I'm sure said the exact same stuff in 2010 when we barely made the playoffs(and throughout the playoffs) and went to the cup. 5/9 on the PK people. 1/9 on the PP. Bryzs fault? Lavys? Nope. Just gotta EXECUTE SPECIAL TEAMS and hopefully in the future blatant goals are given to them instead of taken away for so reason.— Stuffandthings
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