Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 4:49 PM | 40 comments |
 
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For nearly an entire business day, all has been quiet on the Flyers’ watch for restricted free agent forward Steven Stamkos.

For the first time in two days, Lightning general manager Steve Yzerman picked up negotiations with Stamkos’ agents - Don Meehan and Mark Guy of the Newport Sports Group - to try and work out a deal.

While that has been going on, the Flyers have been quietly plugging together numbers and considering mulling over whether or not to send an offer sheet for the restricted free agent.

Here is the latest:

-As of 4:45pm on Wednesday, no offer has been sent to Stamkos’ camp - from the Flyers or any other team.

-A proposed number, even higher than the one floated in our story in Wednesday’s paper, that was relayed to the Daily News is 12 years, $115 million. If sent, that would give Stamkos a $9.58 salary cap hit. A no-movement clause would also be initiated after Stamkos finishes his 7th season in the NHL. He has already played 3.

Now, the Flyers have not sent their offer sheet for two reasons:

1) The Lightning have the ability to sit on the offer for 7 days once Stamkos decides to accept an offer sheet. Since the sheet cannot be accepted by Stamkos until July 1 even if it is signed, the Lightning could make the Flyers wait until July 8.

The Flyers are concerned that they may not be able to fill out their roster with other unrestricted free agents if they choose to wait that long.

As it stands now, the Flyers have 19 players under contract. Take out Ian Laperriere and Michael Leighton and you’re down to 17, with at least 3 forwards needing to be signed. They could easily be Ville Leino, Jakub Voracek and Wayne Simmonds.

However, sources say the Flyers do also have interest in Michael Ryder, John Madden and Erik Cole, to name a few. There is no guarantee, however, that any one of those players would sign with the Flyers. That’s the tough part.

Madden, 38, would reportedly like to either stay in Minnesota or retire without having to uproot his family again.

So, do the Flyers take a stab at Stamkos with the possibility that they fail? Or do they count on signing one or two of those other players at a much discounted rate and leave a little salary cap space to spare?

It’s a tough call - and one that the Flyers have been debating all day.

In reality, though, the Flyers could make do if they took a stab at Stamkos and failed. They would re-sign Voracek and Simmonds, go after another lingering, small-time free agent, and fill out their roster with Phantoms players that have progressed nicely like Ben Holmstrom, Eric Wellwood and maybe even Matt Read.

If the Flyers did land Stamkos, they could address their cap troubles by either trading Sergei Bobrovsky and one of their defenseman, or even stash a player like Scott Hartnell off the cap in Adirondack until his contract expires. The options are endless to get under if they get him.

2) Another reason the Flyers have held up on sending an offer sheet is that they are targeting to Stamkos for one reason only: to sign him.

While throwing out a ridiculous offer sheet to Stamkos would, in turn, force a conference rival to pay more than they had budgeted or intended to keep, the Flyers would likely save themselves the effort - and the stress - of not taking a shot if they know there is no way to get a deal done.

That means the Flyers have spent the last 24-48 hours trying to come up with a “poison pill” or offer that the Lightning could not afford to match, likely by severely front-loading a long-term, expensive deal.

Yzerman has even told Flyers officials that he has been given the green light from owner Jeffrey Vinik to match any offer that comes down the pike.

Whether that’s true or Yzerman is bluffing to avoid a substantial offer is the reason the Flyers have been playing a day-long game of chicken, no different than the game Stamkos’ agents have been playing with Yzerman from the beginning.

From Stamkos’ agents’ perspective, the Newport Sports Group would likely love to see an offer - to either use as a bargaining chip and keep their client in Tampa Bay at the price they want, or assure that he will get it elsewhere.

BIG VILLE STYLE: Paul Holmgren said on Tuesday that he had not had any communication with either Ville Leino or his agent, Bill Zito, since Friday.

Sources say that hasn’t changed on Wednesday.

Leino, back in his native Finland, has been unreachable on both his American cell phone and cell phone in Finland.

The Flyers have likely waited to figure out their position with Stamkos before moving on to decide what to do with Leino.

Judging by the deals that have been signed through the early part of the free agency period so far - namely Tomas Kopecky (4 years, $12 million) and Brooks Laich (6 years, $27 million) - it looks like Leino’s price has gone up daily. It may ultimately be in his best interest to wait until July 1 to hear offers from other teams - and maybe to spite the Flyers after not making him a priority, whether it was in February before Kris Versteeg was acquired or last week after Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were dealt.

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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:59 PM, 06/29/2011
    No offers? I smell collusion...
    kjuggs77
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:21 PM, 06/29/2011
    Can the Flyers contact Tampa Bay and say we won't make an offer if Tampa agrees to a trade for x,y,z after he is signed? (Of course another team can make an offer)
    RussOCNJ
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:59 PM, 06/29/2011
    You're the man, Frank. Carchidi is a complete waste. Sorry, just had to get that out there. Anyway, I don't subscribe to the notion that the Flyers are concerned about being held up to deal with other free agents for 7 days. The free agent crop is WEAK. Michael Ryder disappears about as often as Versteeg. So we are covered in the ghost department already. Madden won't come here, either. I could see Cole wanting to sign here, in which case he'll just have to wait. If he doesn't, then Gagne isn't a bad alternative -- no one will be banging down his door. Also, there's nothing wrong with just waiting and making a trade at the deadline. Give those minutes to Wellwood et al in the short-term...
    UncleEddie
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:59 PM, 06/29/2011
    what about chris drury, who was bought out by the rangers today? coming off an injury year, maybe we could get him at a bargain price?
    zwarte piet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:59 PM, 06/29/2011
    what about chris drury, who was bought out by the rangers today? coming off an injury year, maybe we could get him at a bargain price?
    zwarte piet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:02 PM, 06/29/2011
    This piece makes sense. While it'd be kind of awesome to have Stammer in O&B for nearly ever - Cole, Ryder on wing, or Belanger at 3C or 4C would be a great pickup too. Not sure if Schenn is ready to do the 3rd-line, defensive C thing against guys like Ovie, Crosby, etc. That's quite a lot to ask a guy with 8 or 9 games of NHL experience.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:03 PM, 06/29/2011
    I was thinking the same thing Frank..Flyers take a big risk by losing out on top FA's should Lighting match offer. Pretty gamble, of course would pay off should they get him.
    shanehockey28
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:04 PM, 06/29/2011
    This is a nice case of seeing if 1 is greater than 3, 4 or 5. Either way, Flyers should be primed next year to make a nice run at the Cup.
    ESFjellin
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:04 PM, 06/29/2011
    Madden is still playing???

    My goodness I would not sign a 38 year-old...
    Philly Fan in Kuwait
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:07 PM, 06/29/2011
    This right here was the one thing that really made me smile... "stash a player like Scott Hartnell off the cap in Adirondack until his contract expires".

    Let's just do that no matter what happens with Stamkos.
    furiousball
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:08 PM, 06/29/2011
    Good article Frank. It's nice to get all the angles/issues/implications on what is a obviously a huge game of "who blinks first". Keep up the stellar work....and thank you. Bone
    dri_as_a_bone
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:11 PM, 06/29/2011
    Drury has a bad knee forget him. Homer...Please send the offer!! Swing for the fences like the Phillies did with Lee, and as Frank pointed out you can always use some of the young Phantoms and sign Gags for some veteran presence among the forwards. Send Hartnell and Versteeg to the minors and hide their cap number. As mentioned it is a weak free agent period and Stamkos would be golden.
    Bleedsgreen
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:12 PM, 06/29/2011
    I just can't stomach losing 4 - #1 draft choices AND a hundredbazillion dollars over 20 years.....what franchise can absorb that kind of hit? It makes no organizational sense whatsoever and doesn't guarantee even a sniff at a Cup, nevermind the multiple Cups it would take for this city and this franchise to justify that kind of expenditure on one player. What would it do to the lockeroom? Most MLB teams didn't want Arod and his contract because of these very same concerns.
    Mark1npt
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:20 PM, 06/29/2011
    Doesn't matter...just send the offer. If they don't get him, doesn't matter who they get because they won't have enough scoring to win anyway. They will need more than those second tier FA's mentioned, or those Phantom players mentioned. Those type players won't get it sone next year. Long term, maybe. Next 2 years, no way.
    scootch


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About Frank Seravalli
Frank Seravalli is in his fourth year with the Daily News and third season covering the Flyers. He started at the Daily News as an intern writing about the boozing legends of the Lincoln Financial Field lots and hasn't left. Since joining the Flyers beat, he has covered everything from the Winter Classic to the Stanley Cup Final and everything in between. Prior to joining the Daily News, the Bucks County native did a large amount of freelance work for local media outlets, covering high schools, colleges and all four of Philly's major sports teams. He resides in Center City. E-mail Frank at seravaf@phillynews.com and follow him on Twitter @DNFlyers.

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