Muslims in America, Take 2
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Muslims in America, Take 2
Some people took issue with yesterday’s blog post about the ‘persecution’ of Muslim Americans. And not just the usual commentators who hate the Catholic church so much they will praise the devil to show it disrespect. Anyone with a marginally functional brain sees through their rhetoric, and moves on.
But there are some critics who have legitimate grievances, and one of them was a gentleman who sent me the following in an email:
While your claims about foreign Christians may be true, that doesn't change the fact that Christians aren't persecuted in the US and enjoy a dominant position in the American political sphere. If Obama were President of the World he may have been inclined to consider Christians a persecuted people, yet he is only the leader of a nation that arguably has one of the lowest rates of Christian persecution in the world.
I agree to some extent with that poster, although he only needs to google “Christian” near “persecution” or check the State Department website at www.state.gov to know that my claims about foreign Christians are true. Nonetheless, he is correct that Christians are not persecuted in the US. But neither are Muslims. And I bow to no one in my respect for those of the Muslim faith who are law-abiding and critical of the radical members of their faith. At the risk of sounding like a caricature, some of my best friends are Muslim, including the many men and women I’ve been privileged to represent in my immigration practice over the years.
But that doesn’t excuse Marwan Kreidie’s attempt to find some correlation between anger at the violation of First Amendment rights of Christians, and the particular condition of Muslims in this country who have it better than their siblings in any other part of the world (including Muslim majority nations which are generally not known for their tolerance and pluralism.) Kriedie’s oped was an example of political correctness run amok. Trying to score political points at the expense of someone else’s controversy is highly ineffective.
And he couldn’t get away with writing it anywhere but here. Gotta love the irony.
Comments (28)
Report @retour for using an abbreviation for the nastiest curse word in the English language. Report him for abuse! Report him before he hurts himself!— sophistry- My O My. Miss a day, miss the world. Except nothing changes.
Hamblin- he takes one point and extrapolates it into a long, curvy line. Can't be done. You can explain the mathematics behind that revelation, Magistra. The dunce is too dense (dunce = Hamblin). Oh, no, more name calling. Well I just typed too fast. If that excuse works for the dunce, it works for me.
Here's a consistent theory from the venting Hamblin. conservatives are ALL bad. liberals are ALL good. IMPOSSIBLE. What an idiot. You have to admit there is truth in my observation, Magistra.— PlumberJoe - This comment has been deleted.— retour
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- Seems to me, @retour, that given your obsession with the poor, overbreeding citizens of the inner city, you might want them to have both BCPs and abortions. But no--that would make to much sense for a Conservative.— sophistry
- Yeah, let's not talk about racial violence. Because the real big issue of the day is: where women get their BCPs! Oh, and while we're at it, let's pretend we cherish the innumerable (soon to be prison inmates) children of the welfare queens:
SEE: "This woman's womb is a poverty factory"
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120212/OPINION03/202120303— retour - Disregarding the brain-dead, leftwing rabble/name-callers in denial:
Poll: Popularity is not Nutter's (a/k/a Mr. Potato Head's) problem, violence is:
A Pew Charitable Trust poll released yesterday showed that — though Mayor Michael Nutter’s job approval rating is at its highest overall since 2009 — residents are not pleased with how his administration is dealing with violent crime.
According to Pew, 74 percent of the 1,600 surveyed between Jan. 4 and 19 ranked crime a “very serious” problem and 42 percent said the city was headed in the wrong direction. When rating the Nutter administration in five policy areas, the lowest grade by far was for “reducing violent crime,” with only 14 percent seeing “major improvement.”
http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/article/1098573--violence-now-taking-toll-on-michael-nutter-s-popularity
Giuliani would clean up this town in 6 months with half his brain tied behind his back. The current regime BSD regime (Nutter/Ramsey/Williams) would prefer to pay "snitches" and buy back their old guns. Welcome to Somalidelphia, where Philly.com has nothing critical to say about Nutter and his appeasement of Black Urban Terrorism.— retour - Poor @retour's Klan buddies are being picked on by black urban terrorists! Oh, no!— sophistry
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- Will we ever get an honest article on The Very Real Persecution of Whites In The City of Philadelphia? Black Urban Terrorism continues at a record pace in 2012. 44 murders including numerous black on white gang assault-hate crimes. The "schools" and streets are more racially charged and dangerous than ever. The subways are a virtual sea of hoodies and burquas. Whites have sensibly fled the city in record numbers: according to the most recent census 270,000 whites have moved out since 1997*. Isn't the Detroitization of your own city too important an issue to ignore?
*technically, this fits the internationally accepted definition of a genocide.— retour - NCL - There was nothing in Christine's blog to suggest that Christians are persecuted in America. On the contrary she stated that the persecution is going on in foreign Muslim countries.
I don't know what you mean by changeing their minds on abortion. The idea of taking innocent unborn life has always been against the moral teaching of the church.— Magistra - And yet "demonizing the opposition" is precisely what Dear Author does every time she criticizes "liberals."— sophistry
Monitors, there was no intent to "report abuse, only to respond.
@magistra: An argument that fails is that Christians in America are persecuted.
Also, didn't the Catholic Church change its mind on abortion a few hundred years ago?- I also note that politicians seem to be in the crowd throwing stones at the teenager. Anything for a vote, right?
Look again. The Catholic Church has not changed its mind about abortion or contraception ever. Maybe it should but at least it is not flip flopping on morality.
It has a right to petition the government to not force it to change its precepts. That is a right guaranteed by the constitution.
Street bullies who threaten children are not part of any organized religious group (unless they belong to the crazy cult that hounds soldiers' funerals). They are simply cowards with nothing better to do.
But demonizing the opposition is a tactic used by those who cannot win an argument any other way.
— Magistra - NCL - what happened to Jessica is called "bullying" and anyone can be a bully. Those who are bullies are not truly religious or they would not do it.
he KKK were bullies and terrorists even though they wore crosses. The Muslims attacking Christians in Egypt are also extremist bullies.
Any coward can hide behind a mask or hood and bully someone. Just look at all the anonymous scribblers here (me included) who say whatever they want with no worries about accountability except for the occasional "comment deleted".
Anyone can take a single anecdote and extrapolate it to the whole group.
The argument thus fails.— Magistra - Indeed, @NCL. The worst perpetrators of bullying in Philadelphia are its most esteemed Catholics. The hate they spew (and Christine I count as one of them) is shocking, sickening, and utterly hypocritical.— sophistry
- Jessica Ahlquist, a 16-year-old atheist, sucessfully had an illegally posted prayer pulled from the wall of her high school. This girl has got tons of hate mail and death threats from good,gawd-fearing Christians. Florists won't deliver flowers to her and politicians on local radio call her "an evil little thing." She's had to have police escort her into her school.
This looks like a relentless march to dominionism, while cleverly feigning victimiization.
Poor, poor Christians (in America).
Stop whining, hypocrites. It doesn't take much effort to see who the real persecutors are.— Non-Compassionate Liberal - And, PJ, I realize that my last comment sort of affirms all you have said about Big Government. Yes, indeed, in a perfect world, we could all fend for ourselves from birth to death and never need help.
Does not always work that way in real life. But we should always remember that there is a trade off whenever we accept help from the state.
It is always a balancing act between freedom and dependency.
Time for lunch. Ciao per ora, Cristina.
— Magistra - And, Richard, since you tried to be polite, I want to address the comment about "anti-women" in these conversations.
Remember what I said about politics in my first post. In this very interesting horse race of an election year, all kinds of comments crop up. We have a war on religion versus a war on women, blah, blah, blah.
Some clerics have seized on an opportunity to inject their ideals into a conversation about federally funded health care. They do not look on it as anti anything but pro life. They are allowed as American citizens to fight for their own agenda.
They succeeded in lobbying for the Hyde Amendment that bans federal money for abortion and Obama was careful to include that in the new law.
Now, with the controversay over contraception rising to the surface, they see a chance to push for banning all birth control from federal support.
They scream about "pregnancy is not a disease" forgetting that the pill was originally prescribed to control bleeding.
I think they should think about what they are asking. And I think they should rethink what happens when they ask for government money to support their institutions.
There are always strings.
"Beneficium accipere libertatem est vendere."
To accept favors is to sell freedom.
— Magistra - If I may....
Why does every argument have to be "either/or"? Let's agree that in a free country all have a right to an opinion. Let's also, I hope, agree that sometimes politics enters into the conversation.
I strongly suggest that politics is behind the Kriedie piece. He is complaining about American politicians of the GOP variety speaking out of both sides of their mouths. Oh what a surprise!! (Think of that little baby in the high chair giving his "shocked" look.)
>8-O
And I am not suggesting that Dems are any different. If it quacks and walks, etc.
But it is also disingenuous of him or anyone to call the remarks of politicians anything like a "persecution" in a country where such nonsense is no longer tolerated. (No more reruns of past history please.)
Meanwhile, Christine offers in contrast a perfect example of what a REAL persecution looks like. So how does her argument "fail" if that is her point? Remember it is HER point and not Kreidie's.
This argument does not have just side A and side B, is what I am saying. There is a legitimate third side.
And really, those who have such ACETA about reading these blogs, should find amusement elsewhere.
— Magistra - The "PJ is like a crackhead" comment had me fall off my chair laughing. Thank you, Richard.— sophistry
- Christine writes. "stop the 'anti-woman' talk. I'd take some of those celibate men over those hysterical and historionic women any day."
Now, if that's not anti-woman (SOMEONE here wishes she had a willy) talk, I don't know what is. Can't make this cr2p up. She does it herself.
This is the typical twisting of facts and distractor tactic that Flowers always uses, except this time she's all mad that people (more than the usuals, since no one without a persecution complex or delusions of grandeur reads her, myself included since I am not a hypocrite, unlike SOME characters here) called her on it. So what does she do? Comes back swinging and blathering about the same baloney.
Yawn...
— sophistry - Comment removed.
- Sorry Hamblin, in addition to getting the Know Nothings wrong, you have also missed the main point. A Muslim man has no business criticizing Christians for making a point which he himself would support: being free from governmental interference in religious practice. In your zeal to critique Plumber Joe, you have missed that central point. And please, please, please (clear enough?) stop the 'anti-woman' talk. I'd take some of those celibate men over those hysterical and histrionic women any day.— Christine
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Amen, Christine, amen.
Now open the flood gates and watch the ad hominem flow in.
God Bless the 1st Amendment. Wait. He already did.— PlumberJoe
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