Monday, February 4, 2013
Monday, February 4, 2013

Doctors die differently than their patients

Do anything it takes to save him. These are the unfortunate pleas that too many patients and their families make when dealing with terminal illness and end-of-life decisions. They often don't want the fancy treatment, the life-prolonging chemotherapy, or the 2-hour-long cardiac resuscitation (CPR). They know the consequences, and they just say no.

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Doctors die differently than their patients

POSTED: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 6:00 AM

“Do everything you can, doctor. Do anything it takes to save him.”

These are the unfortunate pleas that too many patients and their families make when dealing with terminal illness and end-of-life decisions. While the use of advance directives helps alleviate this problem by informing doctors in advance about a patient’s end-of-life wishes, there is still an underlying belief that medicine can cure everyone, even those people with the most terrible prognoses.

But doctors die differently than their patients. They often don’t want the fancy treatment, the life-prolonging chemotherapy, or the 2-hour-long cardiac resuscitation (CPR). They know the consequences, and they just say no.

In 2011, physician Ken Murray wrote an anecdotal essay on physicians’ end-of-life decisions called How Doctors Die. In 2012, Dr. Murray followed up with a second essay, Doctors Really Do Die Differently, which provided statistical evidence of the assertions he made in his first essay.

According to Dr. Murray, one physician friend was uninterested in taking advantage of his own invention to triple the survival rate of pancreatic cancer patients – from 5% to 15% – albeit with a poor quality of life. Instead, the physician left the hospital after his initial diagnosis, enjoyed time with his loved ones, and died a few months later.

While treating patients hooked up to dozens of tubes, machines, and medications, countless physician friends have said to Dr. Murray in varying ways, “Promise me if you find me like this that you’ll kill me.’ Some even wear jewelry marked “no code” to instruct providers to not perform CPR if the need arises

Of course, not all physicians follow the path Dr. Murray suggests. But in his second article, he provides statistical evidence of his experiences.

The Johns Hopkins Precursors Study was conducted based on the medical histories and decisions of a voluntary group of older physicians who graduated from the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine classes of 1948 through 1964. According to the study, 65% of the surveyed doctors had written an advance directive, whereas only about 20% of the public does so. Approximately 90% of the physicians responded that they would not want CPR if they were in a chronic coma, whereas only about 25% of the public gives the same answer.

So why do doctors die differently?

Every day, doctors see the effect of what they call “futile care.” They see patients languishing in the ICU, attached to ventilators, tube feeds, and other devices keeping them alive. On the other hand, many patients only see what is on TV.

A 1996 study found that CPR showed on television was successful 75% of the time and that 65% of the patients went home. On the other hand, a 2010 study of more than 95,000 cases of CPR in Japan found that only 8% of patients survived for more than one month and of those, only about 3% led normal lives post-code. Approximately 3% were in a vegetative state, and about 2% were alive with a “poor” outcome. And a 2010 study looked at terminal patients who did not want CPR but got it anyway. Of the 69 patients studied, eight regained a pulse, but, within 48 hours, all were dead.

Physicians may also make different recommendations for their patients than they would follow themselves. Physicians often feel that failing to save a patient shows weakness and professional inadequacy. This sentiment does not necessarily carry over to saving themselves.

If physicians feel that certain end-of-life and terminal illness treatments are futile, they should be open and clear with their patients. While the ultimate decision belongs to you, the patient, sometimes it is time to say enough is enough. And your physician is in the best place to help you determine when that time is.

-          By Erica B. Cohen

Erica Cohen @ 6:00 AM  Permalink | 31 comments
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Comments  (31)
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:02 AM, 01/16/2013
    Life is about quality, not quantity. Enjoy it while it last and it's seems like some doctors do..
    PDJ
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:14 AM, 01/16/2013
    My grandpa waited until he got to see his new 1 month old great-grandaughter (plus everyone else at the same time), and then told the docs to stop everything. He died 2 days later. He wanted to hang on just long enough to see her, and I'm sure he died a happy man.
    verve
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:18 AM, 01/16/2013
    Good article. Interesting look at the doctor's take on treatment and death. For me, if terminal, increase the morphine drip.
    dogman5
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:21 AM, 01/16/2013
    Very import read for us oldtimers to consider.
    BillyBob369
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:23 AM, 01/16/2013
    Awesome bit of research and reporting. This is important to the overall health care debate when too much healthcare spend goes to end of life care for no appreciable gains.
    PFCzar
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:25 AM, 01/16/2013
    The article makes a person think about where our priorities are as a nation. I would like to know how much of our nations medical costs are spent on those with no chance of a recovery and a return to a quality life. Also, how much longer people would continue living a quality life if that money was shifted to proper preventative care.
    Yellow Dog
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:39 AM, 01/16/2013
    Maybe Dr. "K" wasn't such an ogre after all.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:42 AM, 01/16/2013
    I'm with dogman. At my final hour, I want to go out in an opium bliss.
    suporma
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:52 AM, 01/16/2013
    My father had cancer that we all knew was terminal. Doctors kept recommending additional surgeries/treatments. His declined them and we took him out of the hospital to a hospice where he died a week later. He hung on to stay with my mother, but there was a point where it was all too much and he stopped treatment while he still had the legal authority to do so. I will do the same if I ever encounter similar terminal circumstances.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:54 AM, 01/16/2013
    My wife and doctors all have written advanced directives that no extreme measures be taken. I've seen the outcomes too many times in my career. Although a lot of opposition has been voiced on the ACA's paying physicians to do end of life counseling, it's both the right thing to do and could be very effective in saving the costs of care that do nothing to preserve the patient's quality of life. In-hospital intensive care is hugely expensive. If done with no reasonable hope of survival, it is wasteful of money better spent to preserve the health of patients with a reasonable expectation of a good outcome.
    gilbrook
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:50 AM, 01/16/2013
    Doctors die differently from us. They do their own CPR, order blood tests, bark at the nurses and their teammates to tell them to get their act together! Slipping a little? Go back to doing own CPR! Then their lawyer comes to draft last will (hard CPR on chest!) and when all is done and signed, then the doctor expires in style on the table in front of all present! Just like the quarterback who gets sacked in the end or gets carried away once sthrowing a winning TD.
    Aces high
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:56 AM, 01/16/2013
    good article or propaganda? The government and the insurance co-cartels are looking for ways to marginalize human life.
    USAFirst1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:03 PM, 01/16/2013
    What doctors understand is that eventually we have that "bad outcome". Is it worth the time and energy of your loved ones and the pain that you are going through? When doctors say that there is a one in a million chance, patients think, like Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber,"So you are telling me there is a chance?"
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:34 PM, 01/16/2013
    Under Obamacare, we will be denied healthcare after a certain age with certain illnesses, all decided by "death panels" of bureaucrats in Washington. Keep voting Democrat, morons.
    Barbouze
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:43 PM, 01/16/2013
    Who cares what they do? This smacks of Big Brother! Take your medicine (or don't in this case) so we can save money.
    mijou6


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