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Yellow Cat Takes On The God Hypothesis

A reader asks why I don't embrace the hypothesis that God created the universe. Higgs the cat answers him.

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Yellow Cat Takes On The God Hypothesis

POSTED: Saturday, March 3, 2012, 3:51 PM

F.F. After my visit with Richard Dawkins I’ve started thinking more in terms of those self-replicating viral ideas he dubbed “memes”. A recent letter from a creationist seemed interesting to me in that it amounted to a big pile of creationist-friendly memes – memes about Louis Pasteur, about the origin of the cosmos, and about thermodynamics. This is not the clearest letter I’ve received and it’s not the nicest, but I thought if anyone could handle it, it would be Higgs, who once made his living hunting rats in city dumpsters. It's quite long, so I recommend you skim it.

Reader: I have read some of your recent columns on Science and Creation in The Inquirer, and I found the one of January 23rd ("Cheers For The Word 'God'") particularly interesting.

Actually, I have never heard so much sheer philosophical balderdash masquerading as "science" in my life.

In that article, you say that many scientists who subscribe to Darwinian evolution insist that there is a naturalistic explanation for how the universe came about. Apparently now they are even starting to deny proven science (and the laws of physics) in order to continue to hang on to that belief. (Now "spontaneous generation" is all of a sudden possible again, even after respected scientists like Francesco Redi, Lazzaro Spallanzani, Rudolf Virchow, and Louis Pasteur definitively proved that it isn't possible?) This really is beginning to sound to me much more like a godless religion than objective science. And it is getting more and more desperate in defending its orthodoxy. Now it is even willing to throw logic itself completely out the window, supposedly in the pursuit of the "rational".

For instance, Stephen Hawking, despite the work of Einstein, Hubble, and almost all other verifiable scientific evidence, is still insisting that the universe has always existed, and didn't have a beginning. (Whatever happened to the proven scientific law that all effects must have a cause? And the Laws of Thermodynamics that strongly insinuate that the universe had to have once had a starting point and that neither matter nor energy -- at least by itself, according to naturalistic laws -- cannot be created or destroyed? How did these things create themselves when all the laws of physics that we know say they can't do that?) You also have other Darwiniacs insisting that naturalistic physical laws somehow contributed to the formation of the early universe. But then where did those physical laws come from? And if they did not exist before the universe existed, then how could they have contributed anything to its creation? The whole concept of a "natural creation of the universe" violates everything we know about reality. The natural universe could not have brought itself into being all on its own, because spontaneous generation of anything from absolutely nothing is (according to naturalism!) impossible, no matter what Darwinian scientists try to tell us! That you could get something from nothing defies all the laws of logic that we know. Yet Darwiniacs insist on asserting this, and then calling it "science". Again, I say, "Balderdash"!

(For those logic-impaired dolts who will then come back and say "But theists insist that God made the universe from nothing!" -- this isn't the same thing at all as saying the universe created itself from nothing. If God created the universe from nothing, then the Universe had a cause -- God! This fits right in with what the laws of physics tell us. The natural universe cannot even sustain itself -- it is rapidly winding down, and will eventually cease to exist when all usable matter and energy is used up. Then how could it have created itself from nothing if it can't even sustain itself after being created?)

Why do Darwinian scientists keep insisting that "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" cannot be a legitimate explanation (scientific or otherwise) for the beginning of the universe simply because they may not be able to explain in scientific terms how that event came about? You mean reality can't be real unless we humans (in our all-mighty infinite understanding and intelligence) cannot first adequately explain it in naturalistic, scientific terms? But why must creation fit into that neat, tidy little intellectual box (a box artificially created by human beings who think they must be able to explain everything in human terms!) before we can accept it as the truth?

MIT cosmologist Alan Guth said in your January 23rd article, "We don't have a solid theory of how the universe originated -- but that doesn't mean we have to invoke a deity." But why not? Does the lack of a solid theory automatically eliminate the possibility of a deity? No, it does not.

And why does invoking a deity (or a supernatural cause) for the creation of the universe automatically become a "placeholder for an intellectual gap" and a "fatal flaw"? Why can't it be an explanation in itself? Just because we can't fit that into a test tube and study it?

Then, at the very end of your article, Alex Vilenkin of Tufts University says that it's a "mystery" how the universe could bring itself into existence without having physical laws already in existence to cause that beginning  to come about. (Good question!) Then he speculates whether there can be "laws governing nothing".

No, you lamebrain -- or else then there would be something! Then you're right back to where you started! You call this reasoning "science"? I call it a pitiful attempt to salvage Darwinism at any cost, when it's becoming quite clear that Darwinism can no longer explain anything!

This is what naturalistic scientists always do when they end up being forced to "bump up against the idea of God" -- they just slough everything off then and say, "well, it's a mystery".

Sure it's a mystery. When you automatically eliminate the only possible answer for anything (God), then of course you're going to be left with a "mystery" that you cannot solve! When you say "the only possible answer is something we won't even consider" you're always going to end up stuck with an unsolvable "mystery"!

And as for "positive evidence" in the universe that God exists --the many professional scientists at the Institute For Creation Research headquartered in Dallas, Texas, and the scientists and philosophers at the Discovery Institute headquartered in Seattle, Washington can provide you with plenty of that -- if you have an open-enough mind to consider any of it (which most Darwiniacs do not).

We also have the historically documented life of Jesus Christ (testified to by many direct eyewitnesses who wrote down what they saw and heard, and the various dedicated scholars, historians and copyists who made absolutely sure that those documents would be available in their original form to all future generations), who claimed to be the very God who created everything manifested in human form in order to communicate with us. He Himself provides plenty of positive evidence for the existence of the God who said "In the beginning I created the heavens and the earth".

Why is that considerable "positive evidence" always completely ignored by people who insist that naturalism is the only explanation we have for anything?

Kirk Hastings, Somers Point, NJ, Author of "What Is Truth? A Handbook For Separating Fact From Fiction In A Propaganda-Filled World" (2009), and co-host of the weekly radio program "Evidence4Faith", heard on WIBG 1020AM Sundays at 4 PM.

Higgs: Dear Sir, I did not know there were shock jocks on Christian radio. Before I answer your question, I’d like to ask one of you: Do you think Jesus would use the terms “lamebrain” or “logic impaired dolt” to address people with whom he disagrees?

I’d also like to point out that Louis Pasteur is not widely credited with proving the existence of God as creator of life. He discovered that under certain laboratory conditions, living things don’t spring up under sterile conditions over periods of days or weeks. Bacteria come from other bacteria. He did not prove that living things much simpler than today’s bacteria might have self-assembled out of complex organic molecules in the primordial soup over tens or hundreds of thousands of years.

None of those other people are credited with proving God created life either.

In the paragraph on Einstein and Stephen Hawking, I do give you some points for originality of approach. I’ve seen other creationists practice what’s called “quote mining”, in which small snippets of a quote are taken out of context, often to imply someone said something exactly counter to his or her beliefs.

But hey, it’s much more efficient to make up Einstein and Hawking quotes from scratch. And I can see how you might get away with it if listeners of your Christian radio show haven’t read any of Hawking’s books and don’t realize that he never said the universe has always existed. Also,  Einstein didn’t say the universe had a beginning. Einstein did alter his theory of relativity after realizing that the universe was not static but expanding. He had originally added a so-called cosmological constant to keep everything from collapsing, but later realized that if the universe was in fact expanding, relativity worked without the constant.  

But I digress. I admire the fact that you have the chutzpah to make up your own laws of physics.  Alas, there is no “proven law” that everything must have a cause. The laws of thermodynamics don’t “insinuate” that the universe had a beginning either. And matter and energy can be converted back and forth, so it is in fact possible for matter to come into existence through natural means. Otherwise it would be futile to expect a Higgs particle to materialize in the Large Hadron Collider.  

This leads me to your question about why so many scientists don’t take seriously the God-did-it hypothesis for the origin of the universe.

You see, while scientific theories are subject to revision, they are not arbitrary. You can’t just make up new laws willy nilly. In physics, a theory needs empirical, theoretical and mathematical grounding. Some of the newer ideas such as string theory are criticized for having just two out of three of these kinds of justifications, but at least string theory connects general relativity and quantum mechanics. The God-created-the-universe hypothesis in contrast has no empirical or theoretical or mathematical backing. It strikes out.   

An equally plausible theory is that the MGM lion created the universe. While felids aren’t big on worship, my ears perk up when the MGM lion roars and I feel a tingle in my spine. But I don’t get mad at scientists for dismissing the MGM lion-as-creator hypothesis. They don’t have any evidence in its favor. 

Another serious problem with the hypothesis that either God or the MGM lion created the universe is that it doesn’t answer any questions. If you take the assumption that complex things can’t just come about naturally but need to be created by the MGM lion, then who created the MGM lion? And how did the MGM lion do it? You are left with exactly as many unanswered questions as you started with.

And while it’s true there’s something puzzling about the origin of the laws of physics, it gains us no intellectual ground to say that the MGM lion wrote them. For a meaty discussion of the laws of physics, I’d recommend this link to the blog Cosmic Variance. Physicist Sean Carroll of Caltech (a good place to learn about physics!) has some very interesting observations on the matter. Here’s how he ends the post:  

Human beings have a natural tendency to look for meaning and purpose out there in the universe, but we shouldn’t elevate that tendency to a cosmic principle. Meaning and purpose are created by us, not lurking somewhere within the ultimate architecture of reality. And that’s okay. I’m happy to take the universe just as we find it; it’s the only one we have.

I’m down with that! It’s not a bad universe, as they go. Thanks for letting me express my opinion – Higgs.  

P.S. Dr. Carroll of Caltech and Leonard Finegold of Drexel U. both deserve treats for advising me.  

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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:53 PM, 03/03/2012
    Higgs, you da man!
    normd
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:37 PM, 03/03/2012
    Kirk Hastings trumpets all the evidence for the existence of gods, but he
    can't cite any. There is not one solitary single iota of unambiguous, empirical evidence for gods, and Hastings is mistaken, at best, to say differently.

    It's similar to his claims about the historicity of Jesus. As far as I can tell, there is at most - at most - one single possible reference to the existence of Jesus by a contemporary. Everything else comes a century later.

    And even if there was a man named Jesus who lived in the Middle East two thousand years ago, there is NO evidence whatsoever that he was a zombie, or even a demigod, much less a god.


    No, Kirk Hastings, despite your spew of superstitious bafflegab, despite your willful confusion and your appeals to the imaginary, there are no gods.

    Of course, even a single repeatable experiment could in principle prove me wrong. C'mon, Kirk, describe one. If you can.
    phhht
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:59 PM, 03/03/2012
    So,we are back to logic 101. Either believe in a first cause or don't. If there is a god we are poorly equipped to understand her
    Charon
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:58 PM, 03/03/2012
    Charon,

    We may be ill equipped, but we are not helpless.

    The principles I try to follow are the most powerful ever discovered for
    understanding and explaining reality.
    In terms of actual agency in the real world, nothing can beat
    scientific empiricism and rational, fact-based exposition.

    For example, it's a good principle that evidence is primary. Logic is
    secondary. First get facts, and then reason about them.
    phhht
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:36 AM, 03/04/2012
    I'm afraid both Mr. Hastings and Charon are from the Styx. Also, why is it that those so intent on "saving" us non-believers are so rude to us? Another thing that bugs me--and I read Hastings' screed minutely, not being so adept as Higgs in sorting out the tasty mice--is that creationists are so confident that their assertions and hunches are superior to the findings of prominent scientists. Oh well.
    jxxphilly
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:42 AM, 03/04/2012
    Mr. Hastings throws his true agenda right out there with:


    And why does invoking a deity (or a supernatural cause) for the creation of the universe automatically become a "placeholder for an intellectual gap" and a "fatal flaw"? Why can't it be an explanation in itself? Just because we can't fit that into a test tube and study it?
    ------------------------------------------------------

    The old god of the gaps nonsense is in full force here. It has been wrong in the past and it is argued wrong in the present. To repeat such an informal fallacy is an Argument of Ignorance based on no evidence. It asserts that since something has not be proven false, it therefore has to be true. It's all based on negative evidence. Therefore the only "science" behind it is based off a logical fallacy. All you got is the centuries old claim that science can't explain this or that, and when it does you move the goal posts.
    Aquanerd09
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:15 PM, 03/04/2012
    I'm not sure what the point of posting the same sort of ill-thought-out creationist crank stuff over and over, then having "Higgs" dissect it, accomplishes. Sort of bread and circuses for the evo devotees here, I guess. But it answers incivility with incivility and doesn't move the discussion forward.

    If Mr. Hastings had anything worth considering here, it might be his alluding to the "science of the gaps" argument that it is apparently okay to make when considering unsolved problems. Why it's acceptable (when God-of-the-gaps is so quickly -- and correctly -- assailed) seems a bit hypocritical to me.

    I would also point out that when we discuss cosmological origins, we are brushing up against the very infrastructure that we use to reason with and draw evidence about. While simply saying God-did-it is, rhetorically, a copout, assuming that favored rules of reasoning and accepted laws of physics will suffice is, well, problematic, if these very systems are emergent properties of just one universe we'll reasoning about. It quickly becomes Godel-like.
    nerdyseahorse
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:27 PM, 03/04/2012
    I also meant to add that it might be more productive to post articles from respected scientists, such as Francis Collins or Stephen M. Barr, who profess a religious faith and see their (legitimate, refereed, useful) work within that context.
    nerdyseahorse
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:13 PM, 03/04/2012

    There are no gods in science because nobody needs them. As far as we can tell, everything that happens, happens without them. Maybe gods are hidden somewhere, but they are well-hidden: they are invisible, undetectable, untestable. They are, in fact, impossible to distinguish from the non-existent.

    So what possible relevance could there be for the religious
    faith of a scientist? I can see none except a transparent
    attempt by religion to borrow the luster of scientific empiricism. "These scientists are godders, so rah, Jesus!"

    phhht
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:11 PM, 03/04/2012
    Whether your a creationist, IDer, theist, deist, or polydeist, it's all the same to me. You all share the same ultimate belief regardless of where on the spectrum you fall. It befuddles me how you can dismiss a creationist's belief as wrong and claim your belief as right just because your belief encompasses more scientific acceptance. Collins and Barr, albeit good scientists in their field, still make assumptions based on negative evidence. Their faith overpowers their skepticism as scientists. So what drives one over the other? Pascal's Wager? Fear? Refusal or denial that this is all there is? Sadness in the fact that our loved ones will never be seen again upon death? I tend to think that god is a crutch and so can fog the mind into wishful thinking.
    Aquanerd09
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:16 PM, 03/04/2012
    I was reading about the Philadelphia Flower Show and learned that the Goddess Pele created the Hawaiian islands. I figure the Hawiians know better that Jesus because he was over on the Mediterranean and not out in the Pacific. Any comments Mr. Hastings?

    Sorry Higgs, although the MGM lion is omnipresent on the movie screen lions are not native to Hawaii. So I guess we need to believe in the Godess and not the male lion.

    Also, maybe your back problems are caused by carring around to much reading material. Ask you companion human for an iPad, you have been doing some really good work.
    FraFree
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:23 AM, 03/05/2012
    Nerdyseahorse: I'm not sure how useful it would be to include articles by either Francis Collins or Stephen M. Barr on POTA. Arguments for the existence of God could only be scientifically "refereed" in the sense that they adduce evidence in an already settled issue, and the stories of those two men could only relate WHY they believe, not prove anything. Further, as to why Christianity (their choice) is the most scientific of religions, their answers could not be objective. Planet of the Apes is a science forum, not a clearinghouse for crank science.
    jxxphilly
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:58 PM, 03/05/2012
    Every time I think that reason might have conquered, I get pulled back into the same old same old from creationists. I don't think they understand that religion is based on BELIEF and should not need scientific evidence and vice versa. Scientific evidence and understanding can ALWAYS be demonstrated to be erroneous based on new evidence, and does not require belief. Never the twain shall meet. One can believe in a religion without proof, but science must have evidence for its conclusions.
    cdarwin
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:55 PM, 03/05/2012
    Indeed, you can believe in religion without proof. You can believe in ANYTHING, from gods and the supernatural to Bigfoot and little green men, if no evidence is required. Faith - belief without evidence - has no reality check.
    phhht
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:26 AM, 03/06/2012
    It's interesting that God-fearing scientists see all creation (including scientific facts, theories, principles, etc.) as just a consequence of God's work. All the science we argue about here is a mere subset, perhaps the merest subset (who can tell?) of an omnipotent creator's work. Conversely, non-believers tend to frame all knowledge in terms of science, which isn't really equipped to prove or even describe a power that is for all intents and purposes all-encompassing. Creationists try to split the difference in a daring way, by trying to prove that certain patterns in nature (or holes in science) show omniscient design and will never be explained by naturalistic mechanisms.

    I think the creationists/ID'ers are just taking the wrongheaded approach; they will never convince the non-believing scientists by doing a half-rate version of science. But the reason I'm asking that Faye maybe consider posting arguments from Collins and Barr is that I have a sneaking suspicion that respondents (and perhaps many other readers) of this blog may equate creationists with other spiritual believers who have a, let us say, healthier view of scientific work in context. I don't know that Faye owes any sense of religious fair play on this blog, but scientifically it seems very biased to just post cranky creationists, perhaps mock them by pretending that her cat can handle their philosophically naive posturings, then let everyone else pile on. Why not throw more challenging viewpoints up for discussion? Barr addresses cosmology, Collins genetics and evolution, both fruitful topics here.
    nerdyseahorse


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