Unretired Favre Would Be Bad Thing For Eagles
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Unretired Favre Would Be Bad Thing For Eagles
Paul Domowitch, Daily News NFL Columnist
(Associated Press)
Some Wednesday morning thoughts:
* Eagles fans would be wise to keep their fingers crossed that Brett Favre stays retired and doesn’t sign with the Minnesota Vikings.
The Vikings are a good quarterback away from being a legitimate Super Bowl contender and possibly leapfrogging over the Eagles and Giants as the best team in the NFC. The big question there obviously is whether Favre, who will turn 40 in October, still is a good quarterback.
For 3 months last season, he certainly was. Completed 70.7 percent of his passes and threw 20 TD passes in his first 11 games with the Jets, who got off to an 8-3 start. Not so much in the last 5 when he had just a .560 completion percentage and threw only 2 TD passes and 9 interceptions. The Jets won just one of those last 5 games.
A big reason for Favre’s late-season ineffectiveness was injuries to his elbow and shoulder. He didn’t have surgery to repair either. Whether his elbow and shoulder can hold up for another full season at his age remains to be seen. But if he decides to unretire now, he’d at least have the better part of three months prior to the start of training camp to get his arm ready for the rigors of potentially playing 19 or 20 games.
I can guarantee you one thing. If Favre does play for the Vikings this season, he’ll be told early and often by head coach Brad Childress to ditch his gun-slinging ways. The former Eagles offensive coordinator doesn’t suffer interceptions well. He believes ball protection is one of the most important qualities in a good NFL quarterback, which is why he’s so fond of Donovan McNabb, who may not be the most accurate quarterback to come down the pike, but owns the second best interception percentage in NFL history.
``(The football) is what everybody’s fighting over,’’ Childress told me years ago when he was with the Eagles. ``You don’t want to go three-and-out. You don’t want to punt everytime. But if you never give up the ball without a kick or a score, you’re going to be in every game you play. If you check the winning percentages of teams that win the turnover battle, it shows pretty graphically the cost of a giveaway.’’
That was pretty evident last January in the Eagles’ 26-14 playoff win over Childress’s Vikings. The Vikes were down by just two points, 9-7, late in the first half when their quarterback, Tarvaris Jackson, had a pass picked off by Asante Samuel that he returned 44 yards for a touchdown.
Ball protection obviously never has been Favre’s strong suit. He’s never has had any fear of throwing the ball into double or triple coverage. Sometimes it’s paid off, sometimes it’s backfired.
He averaged an interception every 29.9 attempts during his career. By comparison, McNabb has averaged one every 47.8. But he proved two years ago with the Packers that he can cut down on the gun-slinging when he puts his mind to it. Asked by coach Mike McCarthy to play it a little closer to the vest, he threw just 15 interceptions in 535 attempts, or one every 35.7 passes, which was one of the best interception marks of his career.
* In DeSean Jackson, Kevin Curtis and now, Jeremy Maclin, the Eagles have 3 quick-cutting wideouts who can cause opposing defenses major yards-after-the-catch headaches running the slant route. That’s the good news. The bad news is throwing the slant never has been one of McNabb’s strengths.
The Eagles’ wide receivers caught an impressive 197 passes last season. For the first time in the Andy Reid era, they had 4 wideouts with at least 30 receptions (62 by DeSean Jackson, 33 by both Kevin Curtis and Hank Baskett and 32 by Jason Avant. But they caught just 11 touchdown passes and were terribly unproductive in the red zone.
Let me rehash some numbers that I first gave you in a column the week after their NFC Championship Game loss to Arizona. Eagles wideouts had just 27 red-zone receptions last year. Of those 27, catches, 15 – as well as all 8 of their red-zone TD catches – came in 4 games – v. San Francisco in Week 6, v. the Giants in Week 10, v. Arizona in Week 13 and v. Cleveland in Week 15. The Eagles converted 15 of 27 red-zone opportunities into touchdowns in those 4 games.
In the other 15 games, the Eagles were 19 for 45 (42.2 percent) in the red zone, including 8 for 23 in their final 7 games (including the playoffs). Eagles wideouts caught just 7 – that’s right, 7! – and 2 touchdowns in those last 7 games. Both of those TDs came against the Browns. So, if the Eagles are going to be more effective in the red zone this season, they’ve got to get better production inside the 20s from their wideouts.
``We need to be more consistent catching the football in the red zone,’’ Andy Reid said Sunday in his final minicamp news conference. ``Everything is tighter (in the red zone). That end line becomes the 12th man, so defenses are playing a little bit tighter in there and that makes it tougher to catch it. You have to be able to use your big bodies in there and do a good job with them.’’
* The interesting aspect of the Eagles acquisition of Ellis Hobbs is that the odd man out of the competition for the starting right corner job between Hobbs and unhappy incumbent Sheldon Brown is that the loser really is going to find himself the odd man out.
The nickel job won’t be a consolation prize to the loser. Joselio Hanson has a lock on that job. Defensive coordinator Jim Johnson loves the way Hanson plays inside in his nickel package and has no intention of taking him off the field.
The fact that the Eagles gave Hanson starter’s money to stay with the Eagles on the eve of the free agency signing period, only solidifies his hold on the nickel job. So, whomever doesn’t get the starting job falls all the way down the depth chart to No. 4 corner. Brown vs. Hobbs clearly is going to be the most interesting battle of training camp.
Comments (199)
Favre stinks at this point. Way, way too many interceptions. And I don't think throwing the ball into double coverage all the time is "daring". It's bad decision making. How many times have we seen Favre throw jump balls in the middle of the field? That's just dumb.— p-diddy- I wish Brett would go away. At this point the best thing would be for him to come back and play his way out of the HOF so I can quit hearing about him forever. He held a team in limbo year after year. A team that played his game, eventhough they had a young Q.B. on the bench and ready to go mind you. Now he wants to come back to stick it to the team he's already been sticking it to for years. Hang em up Brett! Please! Just go tend to the farm and stick to old retired guy stuff like wrangler commercials...— LandingStrip
Did I hear right on ESPN that Favre is set to make $20M from the Packers if he stays retired? If he un-re-retires this time, he'll lose a pretty big paycheck...- With or without Farve, the Vikings are not as good a team as the Eagles. He is an interception machine these days. In his last 3 games, didn't he throw 2 TD's and 9 interceptions.— The Marco Islander
- Dilfer compares to Donovan? Come on, wolf. That's insane. You can't honestly believe that. Look at the numbers. Dilfer and Eli have their defenses to thank for those rings. That's such an insult to Donovan. I wasn't comparing Donovan to Marino; I know that's not comparable. I was making the point that rings don't make QBs great, though they can lift a QB with very good status (D Mc) to legendary status. Football is a team game. Donovan is not to blame for EVERY loss. Is it Donovan's fault that the Eagles front four couldn't get pressure on Warner? Is it Donovan's fault that Demps looked like Izel Jenkins in the Championship Game? #5 certainly deserves some blame, but not all of it. Dilfer?? Wow.— dgreils
jimmyc3453, thank you. wolf is passionate about his dislike for DM. He has to balance the good with the bad a little more, IMO. There is no sense getting mad. The idea of these blogs is to have fun exchanging points of view, not insult each other. wolf seems to be mellowing a tad. He made some good points today.— tpizza- tpizza your paragraph on donovan to the lonewolf was said perfectly, u r 100 percent correct that is the same thing i try to say all the time but i get too mad and cant articulate it as well as u did, mcnabb is the best qb in the history of this city and should be treated as such— jimmyc3453
- My answer to that would be neither. In essence you are asking me if DeSean Jacson went down would you want T.O. or Reggie Brown. To me T.O. is not worth the trouble and I wouldn't want Brown either so there is no choice there. The other guys are using stats as arguments the same way you are. You can spin stats anyway you want to prove a point. I agree 100% with you about T. Jacson. I think he is awful and your point that Minny wants to win is fine. I just don't think Favre is the answer and I think Rosenfels will start over Jackson anyway. Knighn, I think wolf means "man crush" by bromance but I think it is said as a joke. I'm an old timer too and could do without the "witticisms" and especially the name calling that goes on here at times. Manners can be easily lost by someone sitting behind a keyboard. And now I heard that BF isn't coming back anyway so all the talk is moot.— tpizza
- Oh, that's right....Bre(in)tt (in)threw (in)those games away (in)too..— eagles101
- Why would be we scared of Minny, we don't even play them this year, and how did the last team that Brett Farse played on do in the playoffs...anybody??— eagles101
- actually eli is 4-3 and donovan is 9-6 in the playoffs— jimmyc3453
- lonewolf 4 - you don't have a Bromance for Brett Favre? What does this term "Bromance" mean to you exactly?— knighn
- favre would be a good team player for the vikes he just didnt want to be in new york BUT...... he's to old and poses no threat— jimmyc3453
- lets get one thing straight: ELI is a JOKE he got klucky and rode his DEFENSE to a super bowl his playoff record is 4-3 which aint bad but he gotall four his super bowl year cause of his DEFENSE.......mcnabb is like 9-7 and ALWAYS WINS PLAYOFF GAMES.......and had his defense did what new yorks did just one time he'd have a ring too— jimmyc3453
- paul,brett favre stats in the last 2 season are::22W-10L,,66.0 pct pass,,50 touchdown pases,,7600 yards...not too shabby and yes the vikings will be a threat to win the NFC with brett favre brett keeps himself in shape all year round ,,,brett favre's leadership off the field and on the field is priceless...... lonewussy listen up: mcnabbs numbers the last 2 years 7240 yds 42 tds 18 ints minus 2 games u average his yards that year and his total and u got 7700 yds about 45 tds 19 ints favre has THIRTY SEVEN (37) INTS in the last 2 years mcnabb is a WAY BETTER QB then brett is right now, maybe 10 years ago brett was better but not now. and if he goes to minny they will win one more game. and pose no threat to the eventual super bowl champion eagles(god i hope)— jimmyc3453
Comment removed.- Wolf, the only objection people have to your position on DM is the fact that you blame every loss on him wether he was totally to blame or not. You also give him no credit for his wins saying they ARE caused by other factors, i.e. it was Mitchell's catch on 4th and 26th not DM's throw, it wasn't DM that got them to 4 chamionship games, it was the D. There are others too. We all know that there were games the Eagles should have won where DM played poorly [Tampa most notably to me] but DM didn't play D against the Cards where they couldn't stop them with the lead after DM brought them back from 18 down, he didn't drop the last pass after, he wasn't playing WR in the Carolina game where they couldn't get 2 yards past the line of scrimmage, he wasn't responsible for no running game in multiple games. A lot of that is ARs fault but you NEVER blame him for anything. You say DM has had enough time to win but discount the fact that it took Elway a lot longer to do it than DM has had. There is only so much 1 guy can do and I can't think of any other top flight QB who has taken his team so far with so little help. 1 great receiver [T.O.] and 1 great RB [Westy] is nothing compared to what P. Manning has had and he has 1 SB win. He should have multiple and has failed as many times as DM, most times not getting as far. Look at what Montana had to work with. We know DMs short comings but at least give him some credit where it's due. Stop blaming him for everything from the plague to the SF earthquake. Be more objective. As far as DM is concerned you aren't. BTW, if DM wins 1 SB he is a lock for the HOF. Considering that your constant bashing makes no sense.— tpizza
- Injuries + 40 years + 269 Games Started = A LOT of wear and tear. McNabb has definitely had his injuries, but incidentally, it's kept some wear and tear off of his body. But I have to ask you about some of your math: does two Super Bowl wins automatically make a QB a HOFer in your book? Is Big Ben a HOFer to you? **** And you keep on using this term "Bromance". I'm not hip like you kids. Can I say you have a "Bromance" with Brett Favre because you're unwilling to let the man retire as he should have before the 2008 season? Or is there something racial in the term?— knighn
- You gotta get away from the stats wolf. You can use stats to prove or disprove anything. The stats for BFs last 5 games are 1-4, 8 ints and 2 tds. That lead to the Jets getting booted out of the playoffs. If you use your stats he's still a superstar, use mine and he's a has-been. What good is bringing up stats from years ago? It no longer matters that BF won a SB because he isn't that BF anymore. The recent history of the guy shows 2 locker rooms in a shambles, 2 teams that wanted him gone, 2 groups of disillusioned fans, a damaged reputation, a primadona attitude and an injured, broken down QB that doesn't know when to fade into the sunset. And why compare the LAST 2 seasons Favre vs. DM. Just look at last year. DM=championship game, BF=fishing. BF was terrific, that's was. He isn't any longer. You have to start using some objectivity in your posts.— tpizza
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- Lonewolf - Eli has a ring because Asante dropped a pick, and Tyree made an unbelievable catch. Also, the Giants' D was amazing that game. I guess that means any QB with a ring is automatically better than McNabb?? Dilfer, Brad Johnson? That's a terrible argument. Trent Dilfer is better than McNabb & Marino, right? He has a ring!!!— dgreils
- Wolf - you finally made a good point: Favre tore his tricep, thus making him statistically far less effective than Tarvaris Jackson. Brett also had shoulder and elbow injuries last year. No matter how well Favre did 10 years ago, he hasn't shown the same post-season success since then - hasn't even made the Super Bowl again. He is showing the wear and tear of all of those years (without a game off) and is generally performing at a lower level late in the season and post-season (for the past two seasons, at least). Tarvaris Jackson, in the meantime, has shown improvement, to the point where he was one of the best QBs in the NFL over the last 4 weeks of the regular season. Now, I'm not looking for T.J. to come be the QB of the Eagles. I'm just trying to figure out why you might prefer and QB nearing his 40s who is on the decline versus a young QB who showed promise against some tough competition at the end of last year. Do you want to bring Troy Aikman back into the NFL? John Elway? At what point do you say the following? "This guy has had his successes, but he is now past his prime. It is time to develop a younger QB and see if he is the future of our franchise."— knighn
- Posted by stupidgurl 12:39 PM, 05/07/2009 Trade mcfat for brett because hes white ----- Thanks for this. You funny! Sceen name matches the comment. Dumba55!— CA Scum
- Favre has been the most overhyped player in football for close to the last 8-10 yrs. The good year the packers had in 07 was a fluke.— jtg170
- Trade mcfat for brett because hes white— stupidgurl
- Gosh, that sucks. Is it me, or are the Vikings kinda late? Unfortunately, Minnesota couldve used him last season in the loss to Philly; now I feel comfortable enough to say that it really doesnt matter. Our Defense is too stacked, and our offense is on the upside. Good luck Brett!!— Pilot_23
Wow hes worse than the wife for making up his bloody mind— PAEnglish- Farve has NEVER won a game in Philly--and he sucks. PLEASE let him comeback-he will KILL any chance the Vikings have.— Mike4136
- brett favres the man. wats the nfl without favre.. the eagles dont have any reason to be worried though, the vikings really arent that good, they only made the playoffs last year cuz there division sucked. favre will make them better but the eagles are still a better team and they always find a way to beat him,. remember 4th and 26— lj23
- Another fascinating post by Domo, but I doubt the validity of the headline point. I think Rosenfels would do far better than a fragile Favre, who might also generate locker room friction if he acts like some Jets felt he did last year. It might be different if Favre were really hungry and not so ambivalent about another seasonal grind.— GreenCarpenter
- This article makes know sense at all, we have beaten Favre before in the playoff well do it again. Who to say there going to make it out of their division anyway.— Daphillybully
- this is another example of an analyst looking at total stats as opposed to what actually happened. He threw 6 TDs in the Arizona game in Week 4....it was an anomaly that inflated his overall stats. The Cardinals DBs were literally falling down and he was throwing balls to completely wide open receivers. You take that game away and he only threw 14 TDs in the other first 10 games along with 13 INTs. Those stats are not indicative of a "good QB." Kyle Orton had better numbers. Favre is a gunslinger and will never be reeled in. I hope he goes to the Vikes and ruins a good team.— jegslr
- Domo are you serious?! Brett Favre SUCKS. Brett Favre hasn't been a quarterback worth fearing in the playoffs in AT LEAST 5 years. Eagles wins sealed by Favre interceptions used to be an annual tradition. He blew it in the playoffs against us twice and against the Giants 2 years ag o- get a clue. They gu throws interceptions like it's his job. I'll never forget the INT he threw early in their last game last year vs. the Dolphins to help keep the Jets out of the playoffs. He INTENTIONALLY rolled onto his back foot (there was NO pressure) and heaved one deep for the CB to fair catch. Brett Favre will DE-rail the Vikings.— mx55
- Worry about FAvre, even when he was good the Eagles had success against him, let him sign with the Vikings! We ain't SKERRED of FAVRE. Brett who????? Bring his old butt on!— phillynupe4
- Rush him hard and he throws the up for grabs.— Kevin O.
- Please let Brett sign with Childress. The Birds have always kicked his rear end.— CVN65
- If Childress thinks BF is about protecting the ball he hasn't been watching. The last few years you could always depend on him throwing a pick at the absolute worst time. That duck he threw against the Giants may have been the single worst pass I have seen in any important game ever. I think the Vikes would be just as well off with Rosenfels and he is better than Jackson anyway. Why they would want to put up with BFs act is beyond me. His I'm retired, I'm not, I'm back, I'm gone routine has gotten way to old and tired. If all they want is someone to give the ball to AP and protect the ball they don't need Favre. The Pack and Jets didn't either and look at the wreckage he left in those locker rooms. Wolf, there's more to the game than stats. If that weren't true everybody would want T.O. Some things just aren't worth it.— tpizza
- Favre might still have the fire but his body will more than likely let him down. Stay home and enjoy retirement!— FireChief
- Favre might still have the fire but his body will more than likely let him down. Stay home and enjoy retirement!— FireChief
- Ron Paul 2012 you beat me to it. That was the EXACT phrase I was going to use in my post. Naturally, I agree with you. Interception City it is. Beleive me, we have nothing to fear from Favre.— essell
- Ron Paul...I'm not a Favre fan and wouldn't want him QBing my team, but having a running back like AP, he might be deadly. His best years in Green Bay was those years when he had a good RB behind him. He's losing some, but he never had a back like AP. Vikings would be smart to sign him. He's not the best in the league anymore, but he's better than anything they can get out there.— dapmman
- Please discontinue saying this jitslurp is RETIRED, nimmy.— seph
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- The Minnesota writers are screaming for the Vikes not to sign Brett, because he would be a problem in the locker room with his Prima Dona attitude, his QB score last year which was not better than Jackson's and his age related fade out at the end of the season for the last two years. They would rather see Jackson pushed by Rosenfelds as their QBs for the season and future.— atp2007
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- Lonewolf - I'm not going to get into personal attacks or arguments with you. I'm just going to ask you for this bit of data: which QBs had better QB statistics than Tarvaris Jackson over the last 4 weeks of the regular season? Once you compile that list, please share what you think about those other QBs. Thank you.— knighn
- Worry about Brett Farve? If he signs with the Vikings he may be the worst starting QB in the division.— KMG
- That's a FUNNY article!! I'm not concerned about the Vikings and Favre. By week 6, I guarantee you he'll have to be throwing passes and evading the sack from his Lil' Rascal motorized wheelchair. C'mon Paul, you think we're stupid? We have all seen the Favre decline, just like my IQ from reading that article.— fineedge1
- knighn, glad you brought stats to the table. the farve love affair and belief he is just an automatic improvement for the Vikes is all myth and based more off fantasy then actual production. the guy is a fairy tale for the media. a media driven star where reality of his play and rejection by two teams is ignored in hopes of high ratings by talking about a mainstream hero 10 yrs past his best days.— mongoS
- Favre doesn't worry me. If you told me right now the eagles would have to play a Favre-led Vikings team in a tight playoff game to get to the NFC championship, I'd take it. Besides he stinks in dome games. I can tell you right now who will win the battle between Hobbs and Brown. Just ask Omar Gaither and Lito how much playing time you get when you play hardball with the eagles.— tdcuse
- worried about bret favre? really. it compares to being worried about joe montana.— JACK V
- yeah lonewolf.......he led the Jets rights to a playoff loss! Man I hope the Vikings sign the interception king.— dowens1617
- Domo, what you failed to mention in your article about the Hobbs/Sheldon battle is that Ellis Hobbs finished second in the AFC last year in kickoff returns. Hobbs will fill his role nicely as a solid kickoff returner (especially with Demps playing a larger part in the defense, whether he ends up starting or not) and as a dime corner(unless Sheldon or Asante go down, knock on wood). With Dawk gone the Eagles need Sheldon's physical presence and leadership on the field.— RobM.
- Favre is yesterday's news with a rag arm ... he will end up in a broadcast booth not a huddle.— Gringo4
- The Vikings are more than a QB away from a SB contender. Philly has nothing to worry about. For the first time in years, that have made wise draft picks based on needs. I think AR is slowly beginning to see the big picture (he wants a super bowl for Philly too) THe Eagles will be one of the top rated teams (offense and defense) this year. I will go on a limb and say they will be in the top three. Bring on anyone..— komplex2005
- Poop— Jerome99RIP
- Favre may help MIN win the weak NFC North, but won't do much else. His body will wear down again and he will be ineffective and INT prone come Dec— NitnyLion
- I think the real question here is whether Favre would heed Childress' advice and not be a gunslinger. I imagine that would be too hard a habit to break for Brett.— davesju93
- My memories of Brett against the Eagles are throwing picks at least twice a game off his back foot the last 3 times they have played. Bring him on!— Ken B
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- The bottom line is that the Eagles need to get the job done. I've been waiting for more years ( for a bowl) than my 'net name.'— Eagle fan since 1976
- McNabb's completion % is better than he's given credit. And no one throws a long pass with accuracy and touch as good as him. But Domo is right about one thing.......throwing crossing patterns isn't one of his strengths. Probably due to such a strong arm he does tend to throw those passes where his receiver is rather than he will be.— bleedgreen
- As I was saying, Brett Fraud was a bad QB 6 years ago when he handed us that playoff game with that punt-like interception to Dawkins in OT. The guy is a turnover machine, and he's completely uncoachable, so Childress can forget about trying to tame him. It really cracks me up how the media gives this guy so much respect, when in reality he hasn't been a pro bowl caliber QB since the early 2000s. Bring it on. It should be good for a few laughs.— phink
- Geez. You have got to be kidding. Brett Fraud w— phink
Who wrote this article and what was he smoking? BRETT IS 40!!!!!! In football standards, that's beyond old age. Super Bowl contneders? I guess since fat Andy won't talk to you two idiots that you need to manufacture news. I hope he comes back and we kick their butts and once again the morons who write for the paper will look stupid. Don't you have a children's book to go write Les and Paul?— Justicek- Brett is the Second Coming of Rodney Peete. He's great until that late pick that breaks your heart.— Ken K
- Paul, are you saying that Brett is better than Don?— Ken K
- Come on "Eagletarian" I can see it now, NFC Championship game, Vikings need a score late in the game to tie or take the lead, #4 drops back to pass, INTERCEPTED ASANTE SAMUEL, TOUCHDOWN! Living in Minnesota, and unfortunately being on the waiting list for the season tix I'd like to have, and having to settle for Vikes tix (which mostly I give away to clients) the Vikes are no more scary then they were before the Jets released him. Favre will still be the Favre of old. He'll throw the pick when it matters most and hopefully Asante, Sean, Quinten, Ellis or even "Macho" will be there to capitalize. GO BIRDS!!!— fatheadchub
- Favre is going to blow it at a crucial moment. Let him go to the Vikings. He can "punt" the ball in January like he always does.— meatwallet
- For real, Arctic16. lonewolf4, you punctuate like Charlie Gordon. Brett Favre is a future Hall-of-Famer, but not so far in the future. Bring it on, old man.— JohnI
- I'm not worried at all about Favre signing with the Vikes. He's 40 years old and will wear down and/or get injured by the end of the season. If the Vikes were smart they would sign him and put him in moth-balls until the playoffs start- then I'd be scared.— FreeSheldonBrown
- Favre needs to give it a break. All he's doing is ruining his rep.— Potstirrer
- In Tarvaris Jackson's last 4 regular season games, he went 57/89 for a 64% completion percentage, threw for 740 yards, 8 TDs and only 1 INT. In those 4 games, the team went 3-1, he posted an 115.4 QB rating and he finished the season with an overall 95.4 QB rating. **** To Contrast: in Brett Favre's last 4 games, he went 75-132 for a 57% completion, threw for 764 yards, only 2 TDs and a whopping 8 INTs. In those 4 games, the team went 1-3, he posted a 53.3 QB rating and finished the season with an overall 81.0 QB rating. **** The last time Brett Favre won the Super Bowl, Bill Clinton was still President and John Elway was still playing. Elway would go on to beat Favre in the next and only other Super Bowl in which Favre was to appear in: Super Bowl XXXII (Jan 25, 1998). **** Considering this history lesson, and the stats for the last 4 games of last season, maybe the Vikings should give Tarvaris Jackson a chance? To me, it looks like one player is in decline and another is just getting started.— knighn
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- If you're gonna have slanty wideout types and an offense predicated on the quick read and slant patterns.....don't you HAVE to have a QB who is good at throwing the quick slant? Just sayin'......it's been 10 years of waitin' for him to hit those slants......usually the only one he hits is Rhonde Barber.....— Mark1npt
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- I only raise the possibility of racism when someone's arguments are so irrational (e.g. if Favre throws 5 picks in a game, he is a heroic gunslinger; if McNabb does it, he is the worst QB ever) that I am left wondering what the basis of their rants really is.— Frindless Coyote
- The Iggles need to worry about winning their division— Ed_Tilton
- This doesn't affect us at all.— phillyfan14
- Paul Dumb-owitch, your article made my day. I didn't know you write comedy!— SayHello2MyLittleFriend
- wrongo domo! favre is big game choke. 4th qrtr interception machine. i hope favre plays for the vikings and the eagles play him in the playoffs. 5 picks easy. i dont even think vikes make the playoffs with favre. when the bad weather sets in, the old man's bones dont wanna take a hit = throw that sucker up for grabs!!!!!!!!!!!— green faerie
- if Farve signs with the Vikes -- The Vikes are still a good QB away from the Superbowl. Signing that media who-wa Favre still doesnt give the Vikes a good one on their roster.
- I like Paul Domowitch, he is the most consistent NFL reporter in philly. But he is way off on this one. Farve stinks. And not only does he stink, i can't remember the last time an Eagles team, any Eagles team lost to a team Brett Farve was quarterbacking and that is even when Farve was still good. And how are the Vikings going to control Farve's "gunslining" when his last two teams couldn't. Remember those shots of Mangini cringing on the sideline after another Farve interception, get used to seeing Childress with that look on his face this year. And if Farve does go to the Vikings look for Childress to be polishing his resume up by years end just like Mangini last year. Farve doesn't respect his coaches, he thinks he is better than they are. And he thinks he can do anything he wants out on the field. That was a great trait when he had the ability to do amazing things on the field. He does not have that ability anymore.— jkard99
- favre playing for the Vikes scares me not one little bit. He's a dope at this point, who has burned his legacy and stayed past his the duration of his skills. It's pretty sad. I used to like and respect him.— TGRE
- How are we going to get rid of McNabb if Favre is taking his spot with the Vikes?— Joe Funk
- We own Favre... He is our pet.— albertpa
- Haha typical McNabb apologists calling people "racist" who bash him. Ya I love my QB who goes into every season VISIBLY OUT OF SHAPE. He is a quarterback not a defensive tackle.— brmorgen81
- Paul I hope you read these comments. I really respect your opinion but you are dead wrong with this one and I'm glad the smart Philly fams are posting their comments on here. I agree that Minnesota is good and they actually scare me more then the Giants right now. Favre is not good anyomre, I don't even think he's a top 10 QB right now and if so thats only because there aren't a lot of great QB's in the NFL right now. He throws INT's left and right and I definitely think they will be a worse team with him as their QB! Its time for him to retire once and for all. Talk about overrated especially for only winning 1 Super Bowl.— captain24
- Paul I hope you read these comments. I really respect your opinion but you are dead wrong with this one and I'm glad the smart Philly fams are posting their comments on here. I agree that Minnesota is good and they actually scare me more then the Giants right now. Favre is not good anyomre, I don't even think he's a top 10 QB right now and if so thats only because there aren't a lot of great QB's in the NFL right now. He throws INT's left and right and I definitely think they will be a worse team with him as their QB! Its time for him to retire once and for all. Talk about overrated especially for only winning 1 Super Bowl.— captain24
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- Mainstream america just let it go! The great qb hope of our lifetime now sucks...LOL— mongoS
- Favre to play for the Vikings? That's fine by me. He throws more picks than Javarrus Jackson and he can't run anymore. That means more picks and more sacks for us.— MJPD345
- correction lonea*s - 21-11, learn math. ( just in case they removed my last comment) : )— Will.i.Am
- Faaavraah. I love his pick-throwing ability. Nothing like a gunslinger throwin up bombs to opposing teams. I won't forget that lame duck he threw two years ago to the Giants and watching the frozen snot look on BreNT Favre''s face.....now Lonewolf...that's priceless— jearnha
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- Ok, the vikes starting dt's are still in danger of losing the 1st 4 gms to suspension, Brett Favre has a partially torn biceps tendon which he chose NOT to have repaired plus shoulder issues, I think the Jets skill was better than what Minnesota has (I'd take 08 Coles, Keller, T. Jones, Leon Washington, Baker, Cotchery, Stuckey than 09 Vikes Berrian, Harvin, Shancoe, Peterson, Taylor) and they would've lost ALL of those last gms if the buffalo qb doesn't take a miracle fumble at the 2 minute warning, at this point today, sage rosenfels has a better nfl arm than pic favre, your crazy to think one eagles fan is scared of this chump coming back.— Onlineps2beast
- yeah honestly, Favre's best years are behind him, bring it b*tches— Will.i.Am
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- I just read on another site that Favre supposedly wants to come back to get revenge on the Packers? For what, moving on after he "retired"??? If this turns out to be true and he does come back, I will officially hate Favre more than any other pro-athlete and I hope AJ Hawk tattoos a Packer helmet in the middle of his chest.— Rokit
- If Favre is foolish enough to come back with the Vikings, the only thing he'll really do is once and for all ruin whatever part of his good reputation he once had. He seems to have a personal grudge against the Packers organization and wants to stick it to them because he felt slighted they dared ever consider a replacement for him. He gave away his last chance to go to a Super Bowl (and should have retired then) when he played so horrendously at home against the Giants 2 years ago in the NFC championship game, which ended with him throwing a typical Favre INT. Sure he is an upgrade for the Vikings over Tarvaris Jackson, but his performance will degrade over the course of the season, just like it did with the Jets. Factor in that he has now become a locker room diva with teammates, with his aw shucks, good old boy facade revealed as just a role he played. He's been scheming to get with the Vikings for 2 years now; does anyone think if he gets what he so desperately seems to want, to walk into Lambeau wearing purple, that he'll be able to hold it together and focus on the team first instead of trying to throw for 500 yds and 8 TDs to exact his revenge? He'll implode, implode any chance the Vikings have of making a run at a title, and destroy the last bit of goodwill anyone in Wisconsin might have had for him. A sad end to a great career.— JoePAVA
- funny i don't remember him beating the eagles at all.— tory707
- Favre has thrown 37 int's over last two seasons. I am going to go out on a limb and say that is far and away the most in league. If McNabb threw 37 int's in two years, morons (and probably racists) like Bone Wolf would be crying n-o-n s-t-o-p... Favre does it and he's a "gunslinger."— Frindless Coyote
- Haha Friendless Coyote, classic! Hey Domo, how does it make you feel that out of 91 comments thus far there is only one person that agrees with you....and it's you know who! This is one of my favorite threads to date.— sla6yer
- Favre is shot. I hope he plays. His arm is gone. He's forty. The Vikings are making a big mistake.— jonnyB
Brett Favre's ego continues to amaze me. The guy brings nothing to a locker room other than problems at this stage of his career. Don't believe me? Read some quotes from the Jets at the end of last season. Not to mention he chucks the ball around like possessions are no big deal in the NFL.— wokmaster- Hello. I hate Donovan McNabb. I spend all of my days writing vile comments about him. I have NOTHING else to do.— Frindless Coyote
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- Bring it on!
- fear none, especially the elderly. Favre throws more interceptions in addition to his great plays. It would be fun to see, why not.— Aash-philly
- First of all, Farve has not said anything. The Vikings are the ones that initiated things...Second, I just find it tiresome and really sad that this is still going on with Farve. His legacy has taken a huge blow for what happended last year. Lonewolf, you can throw all of the stats out there that you want, but the stat that you never throw out there are his interceptions. Plain and simple, if your starting QB throws 9 interceptions and only 2 TD's in the final 5 games, you aren't going to go far in the NFL. The Jets could have walked into the playoffs last year.....— phigglesfan75
- Forgot to say....Favre sucks. The only reason I can think of why he is coming back is that he was a client of Bernie Madoff.— PhillyPhantastico
- Paul, you must have a lot of down time to write such a waste of an article. Let him come back and end up losing with Minnesota Vikings, Who cares. For example, the Eagles who were not good last year beat a poor Vikings team. Adding a aged QB will not help them at all. They do need a QB, but Favre is not the guy.— initforthelongrun
- I agree with GTCrawley - look into the stats that you claim McNabb is inaccurate. Here are some: * Although McNabb's 60.4 completion rate ranked 18, he also was 3rd in the league for most completions over 25 yards. This suggests that McNabb attempts higher risk/reward passes; * McNabb finished 6th best for % ints per attempt, 6th best in sacks per attempt, and his receivers dropped the 5th most passes in the NFL - suggesting that rather than take a sack or toss an INT, McNabb throws the ball away intelligently and his receivers need to drop less passes; * And for those idiots who say McNabb can't hit receivers in stride, McNabb ranked 6th in receiving YAC (yards after the catch), suggesting that he indeed hits receivers in stride; and * For you idiots who say McNabb chokes in the 4th quarter, McNabb's 4thQ QB rating was 93.2, placing him 11th, but ahead of Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner and Matt Ryan. McNabb's 08 stats have two glaring problems that need fixing. His QB Rating on the road was terrible, and his efficienty inside the 20 was horrible. The former may be related to the defenses he faced or possibly lack of focus. The latter is because of a sucky running game, no read zone threat and bad coaching.— PhillyPhantastico
- Favre sucks. I hope they sign him.— mikerainey82
- A lot of Vikings fans don't even want Favre. There's a reason for it and most of the comments already covered it. INT's baby! He'll throw 27 TD passes and wash it away with 25 INT's.— MVKrum
- If he plays this year, I predict the end of his consecutive games record.— PuPuMan
- If he plays this year, I predict the end of his consecutive games record.— PuPuMan
- As an Eagles fan, I would love to see the Vikings pick up Brett Favre. There is NO WAY he makes it through a full season at 100%. Though I will also say this: I like Brad Childress and I think he is a better Offensive Coordinator (and coach) than Marty Mornhinweg. Brad, with the Vikings has shown a commitment to the run game that we didn't get to see while he was here (since Andy almost always called the plays when Childress was here). I would feel bad for Brad if he picked up Favre... since it would almost definitely cost him his job as the Head Coach of the Vikings... but if it lead to his return as either the Offensive Coordinator or the Head Coach of the Eagles, I wouldn't mind as much.— knighn
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- LOL, you wasted time and energy writing this one. He may make them a better team, but still not a concern, Farve is consistent w/2nd half turnovers, more importantly, 4th quarter intereceptions... Even after McNabab's 4th & 26, Farve had a chance to prove himself, but B-Dawk took care of that...— antpsu
- Oh Lonewolf. Great stats over last two years, one playoff win and one ugly home playoff loss. Also over the last four years Favre is 34-30 about 88/84 TD's to INT's. Since he is a God he has been allowed to stick around with those types of numbers. Let him go to the Vikings as it is more about revenge against the Packers rather than trying to actually win something. What are they gonna do, run 50 times a game and let the "threat" of Favre passing to
be their passing game? Please!! — desdimone - Eagles defense is good enough to keep Favre down— Gold
- Farve's return to the NFL and becoming quarterback of the Vikings would mean Minnesota is moving in the right direction. Farve is just the QB the Vikes need to make them a contender for years to come. Wait, weren't the Jets a good QB away last year at this time from being a superbowl contender. Bring him in Minnesota, and you will have the QB you need for many years to come!— Gmilst1
- Would I be worried? NO! NO! NO! NO! and again NO!— robbyag
- My lord, please spare me more articles about Bret Farve! He is finished, done, cooked, stick a fork in him already! The Eagles do not have to worry about BF, whether he returns or not, with the Vikings or not. We have a better team than last season and as long as I don't have to hear some stupid annoucer rant and rave about Farve I will be happy!— unbelieveable!
- Oh man, really Farve.... Minnesota? Oooooo, this is disconcerting and ruined my day. This is hilarious! What a Joke. Moon is still available too. Hahahahaha. Thanks for the laugh!— CA Scum
- I respect him as a person and as a player, but am not worried about him being a threat.— truthfirst
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- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ— Cooltropic
- You said good quarterback. Where does Bret Favre fit inot the equation. He is a spoiled premadonna who would implode the team. Try again...maybe T.O. will go there too! hahahahahhaahhaah— TheJoker
- If Minnesota is dumb enough to want him, I betcha he takes almost any offer they put out there.....IO think he'll still want to play. And good luck to Brad as far as changing his style.— TBear
- Brett Farv-re cant handle a 16 game season not to mention the playoffs. If Childress is smart he will shelf Farve till midseason so that he is peaking late November and December like the Mutts did with Pedro a few years ago.
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- He's the least of our problems. We better hope Favre doesn't return, because all the picks the Eagle secondary will get in the playoffs, they'll ALL be demanding pay raises.— riw7d
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- Worry!? The Jets claim he needs shoulder surgery, which if you watched the last five weeks of the season seems like a valid claim. You'll get at least two scores from interceptions. Another example of an athlete who doesn't know when to give it up. I always think of Steve Carlton at times like these. How many teams did he bounce around with after the Phils? It's sad.— Poge Mahone
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- "Your Nuts" stupid article! what did you do mail this one in?— losteagle
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- Maybe the Birds should worry about winning more games in the regular season so we can have HOME playoff games.— IgglesFan79
- Brett Favre is a media darling, he may be the most overated Qb in NFL history. If Donovan McNabb melted down in big games and at the end of season during important games like Favre does, he would be crucified. But with Favre, he is looked at like a "gamer" or "gunslinger". He is a turnover machine whos best years happened 6 years ago, and has done nothing since, I hope the vikings do sign him.— meaned
- Domo must be smoking dope— Serge_Matthews
- I have to think that Childress is either desperate because of job security, or he is getting pressure from upstairs on this. For a guy who says that he puts a premium on ball security, Favre would be the anti-Christ.— billym
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- I used to have so much respect for this guy, now it seems like he is just doing it more for attention. No matter what team he goes too, he is not the same QB from years past.— cote32
Brett Favre is the next Micahel Jordan, an attention 'ho' who has to be center stage all the time.— RAS- I am still laughing at this....does anyone seriously think that brett puts them over the top? He played really good with the Jets huh!— azehring1
- Childress is focused on winning the turnover battle this season, and he's bringing Favre out of retirement... Got it. The Vikings with Favre won't/shouldn't scare the Eagles. They're overrated, again. Good luck changing a 40 year old quarterback's game - total gunslinger.— dgreils
- Domo this is a joke right??? Bob Ford had it right, the Vikes would have to be out of their skulls to pursue Favre. He is no less than the most over-rated athlete of the decade. It would HELP the Eagles and the rest of the NFC to put him behind center in Minnesota. Let's see, who would you rather see with the ball in their hands, Peterson or Farva?? It's like Domo and everyone at ESPN has blinders on. Wow, I really thought this headline was a joke!!!— sla6yer
- As Domo says, the Vikings are a good QB away. Favre is not a good QB. Please Brad, sign him up. Assante for six!— billym
- Are you kidding me? Favre is done. He is nowhere near the QB he used to be, and the Vikings are not going to leap frog the Eagles. Mark my words, the Vikings will underachieve this season and Brad Childress will be fired.— GoBirds77
- Favre gives them a better chance than Jackson, but our defense seems to have good luck against the old man. Keep heaving them up for grabs Brett, I think our secondary is up for the challenge.— rwright611
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- We'll see Favre in the play-offs and this time we'll convert on 4th and 28. Bring it on you old hillbilly.— springfieldzoo
- McNabb fails constantly at throw the slant route pass, good thing the Eagles are preparing the receivers for Kolb— BHite15
- Can we please, PLEASE stop with the comments about McNabb's inaccuracy? It is simply not true. Donovan McNabb has a higher career completion percentage than the following hall of fame quarterbacks: Dan Fouts Warren Moon Bart Starr Len Dawson Sonny Jurgensen Fran Tarkenton Roger Staubach John Elway Sammy Baugh Bob Griese Otto Graham Johnny Unitas YA Tittle Norm Van Brocklin Terry Bradshaw Joe Namath And countless others. If you are going to make hyperbolic statements, let us know that you didn't really mean it, that you were emotional and just venting. Oh, and at the top of that list? Chad Pennington. Not Peyton Manning. Super 5 is 32nd ALL TIME. http://bleacherreport.com/users/102871-Geoff-Crawley
- Not saying our receivers are putting fear in opponents, but who is Favre going to throw to? Bernard Berrian runs one route, the fly pattern, that's it.— springfieldzoo
- When was the last time Favre beat the Eagles?— Marvelous
- this article is a joke.. it would be a very GOOD thing for Farve to play for the Vikings if you're an Eagles fan. Favre is, has and always will be a gunslinger. INT city!— chestercountyvoter
- Oooooooh, I'm sure the entire NFC is shaking in their boots over fears that Favre might be coming back (again). Please...he stinks.— djsaitta
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- I still have that image of Favre throwing that balloon ball INT to Dawk in the 4th and 26 game that was the best he is a human turnover.— bsaw
- favre's return bad for eagles? that's a joke right? gimme a break. I'm more worried about Joe Montana than Brett Favre.— Ryan
- The Vikings are they MOST OVERRATED team in thr NFC. Adding Favre and his 20-25 INTs will not make the Eagles or any team afraid. BTW Domo, Florio says hi.— wingslax35
- Who cares anymore? Favre has tarnished his reputation by retiring and unretiring over and over. Dude, just end it already. You're a 1st ballot Hall of Famer, no question, but now you're just a sad, washed up, interception machine. And why would Eagles fans care if he plays for the Vikes. Did the Eagletarian bother to look at the schedule??— marnet
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- let him sign....it would be good for the EAGLES....his ego will cause problmes in the clubhouse....and his ego and desire to throw will not work well with the best running back in football...besides he is "done"— nuggett
- domo, great info.— jdol06
- very sad man. just retire aleady.— pieman
- You're correct by your title - this would be bad for the Eagles on multiple fronts. Eagles fans are like abused women - they know things won't change, but don't feel empowered to do anything about it. Farve beats the Eagles and goes onto the Super Bowl. Boldin was available, but they opted to plan for the future when Kolb is QB and the fans are happy McNabb is gone. Yet Kolb doesn't truly have the skills. McNabb leaves and goes to another team (Denver, Cleveland, etc.), frustrated that his career was compromised by management (Randall II). And Jeff Laurie tells the fans he's committed to bringing a championship to Philly. But you'll keep buying merchandise and having parties and hand those tickets down to your son because you bleed Eagle green. Bush got those WMDs, didn't he?— zaituna
- Good point Parm - but the Vikes play in a dome, so that won't be an issue for at least half their late-season games.— B in DC
- Favre in Minnesota would be great. If they made the playoffs you can lock up a first round Vikings loss. Anyone remember the 4th and 26 game, Favre was just throwing up passes to nobody at the end of the game. It looked like the Eagles defensive backs were fielding punts.— Greg S
- Bring it....What a lameduck article. The Birds fear no one.— LF
- wow did you watch him at the end of the year last year? and their not even in our division how should the eagles be that worried?— mcginnir
- wow did you watch him at the end of the year last year? and their not even in our division how should the eagles be that worried?— mcginnir
- The nickname for the Eagles WR's should be "The Smurfs". They are all 5'11" or less. (Maclin is listed at 6'0" but thats a stretch) Basket is tall but he can't play! Favre is better than what the Vikes have. They could win 11-12 games if he is healthy. AP, left, AP right, AP left...Berian on an out, etc..— jmcginle
- How can the Eagles, Giants, and maybe the Vikings be considered the best teams in the NFC when the CARDINALS won the NFC and nearly won the Super Bowl? If the Birds were better than the Cardinals last year, shouldn't they have won their NFC title game against them? This is what kills me about Philly sportwriters and fans - it's like you're not even watching the games.— Bake McBride
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- .Petersen..— nuggett