Posted: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:35 AM | 14 comments |
 
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   Your Eagletarian has some thoughts on the debate.

Barack Obama and John McCain

     No, not that debate. The one about whether Philadelphia is "red" or "green" right now, with the Phillies in the NLCS and the Eagles taxing everyone's patience at 2-3 after a promising start.

   My main thought: Let's just pretend it's Christmas and stop trying to parse the unparseable.

   Christmas is when red and green coexist, much like ebony and ivory on the keyboards of Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney, lo these many years ago.

    I'm not trying to rain on the Phillies' parade. Like everybody else who has lived here throughout the last quarter-century, I'm hoping there is a parade. But more popular than the Eagles? Well, to take that stance, you'd have to ignore Sunday's head-to-head TV ratings, which I believe showed the Eagles being watched in about 687,000 area households, and the Phillies in 383,000. (Who wasn't switching back and forth, if not using that picture-within-the-picture thingy? And how do the ratings account for that?)

   The Daily News ran one of those unscientific "polls" today, which measures only people fired up enough to cast an online vote. The Phillies "won" despite the TV data to the contrary. This is pretty easy to explain: Fans want to indicate support for the franchise that is winning in the playoffs and moving closer and closer to that elusive championship. They want to indicate disapproval of the franchise that has seemed stuck on a treadmill of disappointment since 2005.

     Phils more popular? A baseball town? Hmm. I'm not sure there is a real "baseball town" in the old-time sense, anymore, other than St. Louis. Maybe New York, which has a weird dynamic, with neither the Jets nor the Giants actually playing within the confiines of NYC.

     The Eagles push deeper emotional buttons, even if the button right now is stuck on "revulsion" This has nothing to do with any sort of inherent superiority of football over baseball. It has a lot to do with the evolution of Sunday afternoon rituals, extended families gathering together and bonding over the Birds, and even more to do with gambling. Who gambles on baseball?

                                                          Pete Rose

   OK, Good point. But everybody gambles on football, and on the Eagles. It's one of our heartwarming area traditions, along with throwing up at the  Mummers' Parade.

    The truth is, with the Phils one of the final four Major League baseball teams still playing, everybody is a Phillies fan right now, just as everyone is a Flyers fan when the orange and black are hovering close to the Stanley Cup. In the long run, the Eagles still dominate the sporting discussion here. For the long view to change, the Eagles would have to be really, really bad over a period of several years, with little hope of improvement. You can sort of see how that might happen, from where we are right now. But it hasn't happened yet.

Posted by Les Bowen @ 9:35 AM  Permalink | 14 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:54 AM, 10/08/2008
    I love the Phillies, but even if they win the World Series, they are still #2 in my book. I just love football too much. It's always going to come down to personal opinion. There is NO right answer. The old phrase "whatever floats your boat" comes to mind.
    MVKrum
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:34 AM, 10/08/2008
    C'mon Les. The Eagles game was shown on a broadcast network, while the Phils game was shown on cable.
    mbtoole17
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:21 AM, 10/08/2008
    My point is that far fewer homes and viewers have access to cable programming than broadcast network programming.
    mbtoole17
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:10 PM, 10/08/2008
    right now, as we speak, this is a football town. but not for long. the eagles are dying in the wind. and i couldn't care less about them either.
    Ryan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:11 PM, 10/08/2008
    If someone is really a Phillies fan, they are going to have cable so they can watch the games anyway. You make it sound like only rich people have that fancy cable stuff. Sure, some Phillies fans can't afford it, but lets be real here. That's a bit of a stretch.
    MVKrum
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:19 PM, 10/08/2008
    Philadelphia was once a baseball town even though the teams historically underachieved. Personally, I think it gave way to the Eagles in 1988-89 when the last great Phillie, Mike Schmidt, retired and left the organization with no real hero for many years. Meanwhile, Buddy Ryan built a team that was so dominant and entertaining that they took the city by storm and never let go of the power in this city. Years of success will do that for you. The Phils could start to pull back that power in the next few years if their stars continue to thrive and bring pennants like they did from 1976 through 83. Especially when the Eagles will certainly fall down in the pack when the Kolb era starts.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:57 PM, 10/08/2008
    Boston is a baseball town. They worry more about the Sox than any other team.
    octom
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:21 PM, 10/08/2008
    I channel-surfed over to FOX a few times during commercial breaks. I could care less what kind of 'town' it is. It's a great time to be a Phils fan right now!
    jH
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:41 PM, 10/08/2008
    It is time for the "korn on the Kolb" era to start...new life is what this team needs....the phillies will win in LA...we need winning teams to at least take our minds off the crime the city is dealing with...Be positive in all things my friends!
    2wkderf
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:46 PM, 10/08/2008
    As some people mentioned, the Phillies game was on cable while the Eagles on broadcast network (that's like comparing apples to oranges), TV ratings is such a dumb comparison. Undoubtedly the NFL is the supremo, but if you look at key media markets I guess baseball has an edge over NFL. The article mentioned New York for starters. The Jets and Giants don't even play in NYC while, but the city lives and breathes with the Yankees. Boston - again a Red Sox town, no matter how successful the Pats can be. LA - doesn't even have an NFL team, Chicago - it's a tie. But to have sellouts for a team that hasn't won in 100 years (no matter how knowledgeable these fans are), probably gives the Cubs a slight edge. As far as I am concerned, the Fightin' Phils will be on top and hearing to Harry Calas any day beats whatever the Eagles can offer. No offense, it's just the Eagles are No. 2, but I am a huge birds fan, too.
    twoomph
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:37 PM, 10/10/2008
    "For the long view to change, the Eagles would have to be really, really bad over a period of several years, with little hope of improvement. You can sort of see how that might happen, from where we are right now. But it hasn't happened yet." If they miss the playoffs again this year, then that will be 3 out of the past 4 years. By my definition, that qualifies as "bad over the course of multiple years."
    FatAndy


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Les BowenLes Bowen has covered the Eagles for the Daily News since 2002. Before that, he spent nearly 13 years covering the Flyers. It took Les only a few seasons after the switch to figure out that there was no penalty box at the Linc, and that the time really wasn't his, despite what Andy Reid kept saying. Les came to Philadelphia and the Daily News from Charlotte in 1983. In the intervening years, he has pretty much lost track of NASCAR, and his accent. He, his wife Barbara, and their two sons live in Haddon Township, New Jersey. E-mail Les at bowenl@phillynews.com and follow him on Twitter.

Paul DomowitchPaul Domowitch has been with the Daily News since 1982. He has spent most of his nearly 3 decades with the paper covering the Eagles and pro football. For the last 10 years, he’s been a selector for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A native of Wilkes-Barre and a graduate of Wilkes University, Domo started his career in Texas, working first for the Midland Reporter-Telegram (1976-78), and then for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, where he covered some god-awful Texas Ranger baseball teams. His first beat at the Daily News actually was boxing, which he covered just long enough to lose 2 sports coats to blood spatter before moving on to football. Domo and his wife Shelley, a University of Oklahoma grad who still hasn’t gotten over that Fiesta Bowl loss to Boise State 5 years ago, have 2 terrific daughters -- Allison, 28, who is an attorney in South Jersey, and Amy, 25, who works in administration for a professional baseball team. E-mail Domo at PDomo@aol.com and follow him on Twitter.

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