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Friday, May 9, 2008

There doesn't seem to be too much concern in Sixerville about Andre Miller at this point.

To this reporter, determining Miller's fate is the most important move this offseason, because how can any long-range planning be made without knowing his future intentions?

The other day, Ed Stefanski said there are other priorities and yes, it's true the Sixers have to settle the situation with restricted free agents Andre Iguodala and Lou Williams now, while Miller's contract doesn't expire until after the 2008-2009 season.

Still, it's a litttle baffling that the Sixers wouldn't sit down with Miller and just get a feel as to whether he would like an extended stay in Philadelphia.

Miller said last week he isn't sure what he wants, but he didn't sound like somebody who has long-range plans to stay.

What Miller did say he would listen to all talks from the Sixers and why not start them now?

Because if Miller absolutely refuses to commit to the team, or keeps them hanging, the Sixers would have no other choice but to explore trade options.

Right now, Miller's value, after the best of his nine NBA seasons, will never be higher.

That said, it would be better for the organization if he stayed in Philadelphia. At age 32, he would likely demand a three-year extension beyond next season. That isn't unreasonable.

He also owes it to the Sixers not to string them along. If he doesn't want to stay, tell them now. If he isn't sure, that's fine also, but get some gauge on his level of commitment and what it would take for him to want to stay.

It would have been the right time, the day after the season to sit down with Miller.

Because despite all the talk about needing a power forward and a shooting guard, the Sixers' biggest hole would be at point guard if Miller has it in his mind that this coming season will be his last in Philadelphia.

 

Posted by Marc Narducci @ 12:57 PM  Permalink | 587 comments
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Posted 01:42 PM, 06/17/2008
ReclinerGM
I think Marc got moved to covering South Jersey Prep sports which is where he started. Not sure if that was a move by choice or forced on him though. I know he is still currently writing NBA articles on Hoops Hype. --- www.reclinergm.com - Sixers, Phillies and Eagles talk
Posted 05:27 PM, 06/16/2008
xing
I would be very surprised if Marc's fired, considering he's been there so long. I don't think he was a regular beat writer for the Sixers in 06-07, or do I stand corrected? He might be working in some other capacity for the paper in the meantime. I hope he's still the writer, as I thought he did a real good job.
Posted 03:05 PM, 06/16/2008
The Greek
The mystery of Marc, what a shame because this was and hopefully will be again a fantastic blog. I haven't seen Marc write any articles for the paper which makes me think that he is either sick or got fired. You would think that if he got fired that the enquirer would have replaced him.
Posted 07:15 PM, 06/11/2008
seude
If a p.g. is our target there is a good p.g. comparison on draftxpress and Lawson blows away most of the others by the "numbers".That, plus the fact he is rated as the best of the lot in an uptempo offense makes him a nice fit for us. My onley concern is the injuries recently.
Posted 09:58 PM, 06/10/2008
Stu
Interesting thought. But why would the papers keep silent when there are clearly at least 12 rabid and fairly well informed Sixers fans posting here? Where is a good conspiracy theorist when one is needed? In other news, the blog editors consider modifying the title to "Sixers, Marc Need To Discuss Future Plans Regarding Blog Update Frequency".
Posted 09:22 PM, 06/10/2008
seude
Stu, saw on a workout list that Hickson was in June 4th but nothing in the papers. Another secret Iggy workout?
Posted 08:55 PM, 06/10/2008
Stu
According to http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftNotes-080610&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dford_chad%26page%3dDraftNotes-080610, JJ Hickson has worked out for the Sixers. Has anyone seen a report in the Philly media regarding any pre-draft workouts other than JaVale McGee?
Posted 08:54 PM, 06/10/2008
Stu
According to http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftNotes-080610&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dford_chad%26page%3dDraftNotes-080610, JJ Hickson has worked out for the Sixers. Has anyone seen a report in the Philly media regarding any pre-draft workouts other than JaVale McGee?
Posted 08:09 PM, 06/10/2008
Sausalito Slick
2 points- Donaghy confirms NBA fixed that suspicious 2002 Laker- Kings series which had Kings up 3-2 and then Refs were "instructed" to assure Laker series win. Who can forget that Q4 fiasco in Gm 7 when EVERY whistle went anti- SAC? Stern wanted NO Sac-Nets final. Second, Rumors swirling on West Coast that Sonics may aggressively pursue Iggy with their capspace to team with Durant and J Green,swap Wilcox add their later 1st round pick.
Posted 08:09 PM, 06/10/2008
Sausalito Slick
2 points- Donaghy confirms NBA fixed that suspicious 2002 Laker- Kings series which had Kings up 3-2 and then Refs were "instructed" to assure Laker series win. Who can forget that Q4 fiasco in Gm 7 when EVERY whistle went anti- SAC? Stern wanted NO Sac-Nets final. Second, Rumors swirling on West Coast that Sonics may aggressively pursue Iggy with their capspace to team with Durant and J Green,swap Wilcox add their later 1st round pick.
Posted 07:17 PM, 06/10/2008
Sausalito Slick
A must read. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2008/06/10/2008-06-10_exreferee_tim_donaghy_blows_whistle_on_n.html
Posted 09:40 AM, 06/10/2008
seude
Seems the Knicks, so far, are bringing in guys in the range of where the Sixers are picking, should we read anything into that.Sixers are not heavily working out guys yet, wonder why?
Posted 08:35 PM, 06/09/2008
The Greek
Right now my targets are 1 speights 2 thompson out of rider
Posted 05:54 PM, 06/09/2008
seude
Greek, he has a good handle, as good as Mayo had in college , he could play some pt.; He measured out about 6!3 1/2 inches with a long wingspan, which makes him bigger than advertised.
Posted 02:32 PM, 06/09/2008
The Greek
I like Gordon as well but isn't it time that we get away from the midget sg gimmick? Because Gordo is no point guard, even though he might play one on tv next year. Guys, we dont want anything to do with Zach Randolph. Even if we do get that 6th pick, after rose, beasley, mayo, lopez, and bayless the best player for us would be the kid from LSU randolph. Marc, great article as always. Your the best blog master in the world. I cant wait for your monthly article. My whole village awaits for that day once a month. We gather around, sacrifice goats, and read your stoic words.
Posted 10:30 AM, 06/08/2008
seude
Morty, I feel Gordon is going to be a [M.Richmond,J.Dumars or worst case H.Hawkins type player], that is why the Knicks trade intrigues me. In 2 years I think an Iggy for Gordon deal would be a wash, just my opinion.
Posted 10:21 AM, 06/08/2008
seude
J.Kay, I look at it as it makes too much sense for him to play this year at the 16 plus million and show he is healthy and then reap the rewards from his clippers or somebody else.By the way, I disagree that we are a better situation than the Clippers.If Livingston comes back and they draft Gordon a front 7 of Kaman,Brand,Thornton,Gordon,Livingston,T.Thomas and Mobley is not bad.That being said, Brand if available, is our best option but the #6 pick evens the field a bit.
Posted 12:45 AM, 06/08/2008
jkay
do you guys seriously think brand is going to opt out? he must be crazier than i am. hmm i am a 240 pound big man with recent knee surgery. am i a 100%? who knows, well at least i've got 13plus million dollars for the next two seasons. ohh wait let me opt out so i can put myself out there in a market where most teams are salary capped out cos i believe some dummy will pay me not only more than 13plus mill but add more than the 2-3yrs left on my current contract without regard to my long term health problems considering that the bane of all big men have been foot or knee (see j. oneal, yao ming etc.) hey i know brand doesnt like playing for the losing clippers club but cmon he isnt that desperate or is it WE are that desperate? i hope not. the IFs kill the whole issue guys.
Posted 02:01 PM, 06/07/2008
Morty_
If the two options are Randolph for 3 years and the #6 pick, or Brand for 5 years, I think you have to go for Brand. He is head and shoulders above Randolph in talent and ability to be a team player. The Brand possibility is real, he is actively considering it. If you can get him without giving up Lou Williams, I don't know how you don't do it. Of ocurse you'll need doctors to go all over him, but if Brand is healthy, he could be a real difference maker. 50 wins would be the floor next year.
Posted 12:57 PM, 06/07/2008
xing
Jkay, I'm really not missing any point. I believe that Randolph is certainly an upgrade at the 4, and I really like the lineup proposed by suede, especially the latter in which we would also have Lopez, Webster/Outlaw and Blake. Of course we're dreaming and hoping, but it's nice to dream. I just have a little reservation about Randolph's history. I would still rather have Brand, if he's healthy enough and willing to opt out and sign for lesser money??!! If Brand's , I would go for Randolph. I believe the team needs to maintain good chemistry to be really successful. If Randolph work's well with Cheeks, we might have a happy median.
Posted 08:27 AM, 06/07/2008
seude
J.Kay, hope this years numbers would convince them plus Roy can run the offense and could use a teacher for a couple years. Blake would be a stopgap till Westbrook is ready. Again, we saw how A.Miller looked after one series and if we can get a veteren pt. that!s a bit younger along with a future guy then the step back isn!t as big.
Posted 01:49 AM, 06/07/2008
jkay
xing: you are missing the point. we are trying to get better, building a championship team cannot happen now. u gotta crawl before you can fly. seude: i love your lineup idea but will they gel? maybe? but it aint all pen and paper cos with good young players you have good short contracts and when those expire you have good young talent waiting on d payday (example: Iguodala!) there's always someone who leaves and messes it up like phoenix lost joe johnson. there's also egos but talent wise i guess that's the best case scenario. ohh yeah i dunno if portland desires an aging pg for a young (SOON-to-be contending)team. try the desperate playoff exiters first. morty: not happening for brand. the so-called market is basically memphis and philly. i dont know how flaky he is but even the worst gambler doesnt put all his chips on one number and lets it ride. only a guarantee can get him. even i wouldnt want ed to do that. too much paper.
Posted 06:02 PM, 06/06/2008
seude
Xing, Portland is looking for a veteren p.g. and the 3 main choices are T.J.Ford [injuries?], Hinrich [pure pt.?] or Miller [if made available].We have a chance this summer to become a very good team if E.S. makes 2 moves. #1]Do the Randolph trade; #2] offer Miller and the Utah #1 for Portland!s #13 pick [R.Lopez],Outlaw or Webster, and Blake. We would be stronger defensively at the pt.[Blake and Westbrook], center[Sam and Lopez] and add shooting at the 3[Outlaw or Webster]. Dalembert/Lopez/Booth; Randolph/Smith/Hill; [Outlaw,Webster]/Young/Carney; Iggy/L.Will./Green; Blake/Westbrook. That team, in 2 years, can win a title.
Posted 03:08 PM, 06/06/2008
Morty_
Elton Brand update: he was interviewed yesterday by SR 950, and is definitely weighing his options. His agent has been talking around the league to gauge what is possible. He said Philadelphia is on his radar because of their cap room and young nucleus. Very interesting, folks.
Posted 11:30 AM, 06/06/2008
Morty_
I read that rumor myself, and it's a fairly cheap deal for the Sixers, and a lot better than Deans' wish to include Miller instead of an Evans or Green. The chance to get the #6 pick is intriguing, but I still think that taking Randolph for 3 years is a lot. I'd be happy to be proved wrong, of course. If we could use Green instead of Evans I would have to pull the trigger, I think, because Evans has more value.
Posted 08:04 AM, 06/06/2008
xing
suede, I agree with you that it's certainly and upgrade with Randolph and Westbrook, and I must admit I would be happy with these two moves. My only problem is that looking at the lineup, I don't see us contending with Boston/Cleveland/Detroit for the East yet. We're gonna need better defenders at least as backup players. Unless Hill turns into an Horry or better yet, Rodman on defense and Smith develops into McHale and becomes a deadeye with his midrange/face to the basket. I would certainly like to see them develop with your lineup and see what we got. I'm just unsure what we can do to change it if Randolph proves to be another Glen Robinson here.
Posted 12:44 AM, 06/06/2008
seude
JKay, the team would be set; Gordon,Mayo or Westbrook and we are done adding pieces. It sounds too good to be true. Add undrafted energy guy to the mix [P.Ewing Jr.?] and we would be set. Dalembert/J.Smith; Randolph/H.Hill; Young/Carney; Iggy/L.Will.; Miller/Westbrook; Not bad!!!!
Posted 11:55 PM, 06/05/2008
jkay
seude: if that can be done it would be HUGE!!! first of all it fills the PF void (randolph is an upgrade) and the future PG could be one of those three, all without sacrificing any young players. hey granted that not everyone's in love with randolph but you probably couldnt do any better in this draft anyway PF-wise. at least i think so, hey if they still feel unconvinced, they can still grab one of the 7 stooges at that spot. but imagine that would be huge. i wonder how desperate ny is to pull the trigger on that . i'm gonna watch closely.
Posted 07:15 PM, 06/05/2008
seude
Guys, rumor on hoopshype that Sixers will trade smaller contract [Evans] and rights to player they draft at #16 for Randolph and rights to player Knicks pick at #6 but trade can!t happen on draft night. It is doable after July 1st when the cap money is available.
Posted 08:15 AM, 06/05/2008
seude
J.Kay, one of these players will be there; [Love,Mayo,Lopez,Bayless,Randolph,Augustine or Westbrook].Lopez doesn!t fit unless Sam can play 20 min. a night at the 4, but the rest would all be upgrades for us.If Love is there it would be perfect.Plus, once at #5 then we may use it to trade for player in the league already.
Posted 12:31 AM, 06/05/2008
jkay
seude: am happy to part with smith, carney has a skill we really need but is still expendable, utah's pick is a conditional so they wudnt let us get anyone good anyway, but after all this sacrifice, the #5 pick needs to be an iggy/thad level star at his position? you sure bout that?
Posted 06:42 PM, 06/04/2008
The Greek
Did Marc leave or get fired? Thanks for your work during the season Marc.
Posted 04:38 PM, 06/04/2008
Morty_
If ES wants to move into the top 6, who would he be targeting, a PF? Love? Lopez?
Posted 01:58 AM, 06/04/2008
seude
Sixerzguy, heard same podcast. Don!t think E.S. will take on a bad contract. Memphis is having trouble getting guys to workout. A #16 pick, Utah pick, J.Smith, Carney and 7 mill. in cap room for #5 pick and M.Miller may work. Disagree about holding on to this "YOUNG CORE". Other than Thad and Iggy who in this young core is a future star? We need a star aqnd if 3 of our young role players are needed to get that star, then we have to go for it now!!!
Posted 11:53 AM, 06/03/2008
K,M
JKay, i dont disagree with you on the idea of holding out if nothing really earthshattering pans out. When you have as much younger talent as we do, its not a bad move to just maintain cap flexibility and keep stocking up on young talent. Worst case scenario you have good trade pieces and cap room to play with when an opportunity does present. I do think we'll make at least one move in the offseason, and i also wouldn't be opposed to moving up in the draft if it doesn't cost too much (I was sort of thinking along the lines of sixerzguy's post in the back of my head). But overall agree that we don't need to go on a spending spree and completely change the roster - especially since a lot of the deals that get proposed here would send away our young talent and eat up all of our cap space, leaving no hope for improvement if new roster doesn't mesh.
Posted 01:42 AM, 06/03/2008
jkay
somehow i hope amidst all our excitable possibilities that we list here, that ed would go with wisdom and not make any moves this offseason. well trading willie green and adding a shooter and drafting ok but from all the talk here it is clear there is no sure thing. a guy wrote an article on realgm or buckscounty times that our best move may be just to wait and maybe some desperate team out west who doesnt have a chris paul or tim duncan and is frustrated with not being able to win big will decide to blow it up and reconstruct. he put it better but i mean what do we got to lose?
Posted 12:11 AM, 06/03/2008
sixerzguy
From a draftexpress podcast: "...Philadelphia... is wildly rumored to be looking to move into the top 6... they will have cap space on July 1... they can take some contracts off their [Memphis'] hands... a guy like Brian Cardinal, you wanna get rid of that, talk to Philadelphia, they're one of the few teams that can facilitate a trade like that..." The #5 pick's average salary is around 3M, Cardinal's contract is for around 6M, add that to the #16 pick's salary of 1.5M, you're looking at 4.5M we have to make up. Reggie would do. So would Willie Green + Jason Smith or Carney. But both Reggie's and Willie's contracts go for longer than Brian Cardinal's why would Memphis do that? Could Andre Miller be potentially involved, and we get one of their young points?
Posted 09:04 PM, 06/02/2008
seude
K.M., that was just in an article about Orlando!s predraft camp. Draftexpress has a measurements history on their website but in a few days ,this years measurements will all come out.
Posted 02:31 PM, 06/02/2008
K,M
JKay, not to beat a dead horse, but im not questioning Monta's skills per se, im questiong the wisdom of trading our best three point threat (lou), for a guy (any guy) who cant shoot three. was a serious deficiency this year, and i'd hope that at the very least any moves we make dont make us worse in that dept. ******* Suede, do you have to log in or something to see those measurements? Im not real familiar with that particular site. Too bad DJ didn't go to the camp, i'm curious to see his actual hieght. Probably not so different from boozer, if i had to guess...
Posted 10:07 PM, 06/01/2008
hugh
Marc, Are we going to get an update any time soon?
Posted 08:29 PM, 06/01/2008
seude
K.Love measured 6!8 1/4" without shoes on N.B.A.DRAFT.NET which makes him about 6!9 1/2" in the N.B.A. .Boozer measured 6!7 3/4" without shoes and D.West measured the same as Love.
Posted 09:17 AM, 06/01/2008
seude
Use L.Will. and cap room for; 1] B.Gordon or 2]A.Harrington. Chicago and G.St. need cap flexibility and L.Will[4 mill. per?] and 5 to 6 mill. may entice them. Roster: Dalembert,Lopez: White,Evans; Young,Iggy; Iggy,Gordon; Miller,Chalmers
Posted 08:38 AM, 06/01/2008
seude
With low post options slim in the league and full of question marks;[Randolph,character?] and [Brand,opt out?,health?] why not use our current assets on draft night to fill our low post need. Using J.Smith [talent but perimeter player] and Carney and Utah #1 to acquire 2 late first rounders may give us a chance to fill our 2 main needs [young p.g. and low post options]. Draft possibilities:#16] R.Lopez [Backup 4/5, low post player,physical defender [Dw.Howard?]::#20 to#25 pick] [for J.Smith] M.Chalmers or T.Lawson [defensive uptempo p.g.!s]::#25 to #30 pick] [Carney and Utah #1]: D.J.White,low post scorer; use remaining cap space for shooters, more plentiful than post players.
Posted 10:59 PM, 05/30/2008
jkay
km: i don't think there's any dispute bout that. bringing monta ellis may help, sure it would fill a need, i dunno if he fits, he is still young. gs never played any defense meaning he was coached never to play any so we dunno bout his defense. frankly as long as you are an athlete you can play defense (if you want to). ellis has a rare combination of instant scorer's skills and freak athleticism thats all. he isn't really THA BOMB its just that the nba desires those kinds of things these days. that would mean overpaying for him. WONT HAPPEN!
Posted 11:30 AM, 05/30/2008
K,M
re Monta Ellis - fair enough if people think he's that good, but i still dont see why we want to bring in another guard who cant shoot the three, and is average on defense...just from a does-this-guy-fit-the-team standpoint.
Posted 08:15 AM, 05/30/2008
seude
J.Kay, saw Crittenden in college, played with Thad and was way better, that is all I need to know. Sixerzguy, we have a difference of opinion; I think we have too many score off the dribble players, we could use a p.g. and backup s.g. that can spot up and shoot;Anderson? saw him about 5 times, seems like another one of those soft pac 10 p.f.!s, disapeared alot, we have Jason who hopefully gets 7pts. and 4 reb. in similar minutes this year.The scenerio I put out there is very vanilla, I do expect E.S. to be more creative. Sixerzguy, do you think Mo wants to run that offense? I thought lack of shooting forced him to.
Posted 12:54 AM, 05/30/2008
sixerzguy
suede, Chalmers vs. Crit - I like Chalmers, he'd be great on defense with the steals, but he can't create shots for himself, something our future point guard needs to be able to do; Crit can do that. Numbers-wise, I'd say 80% of our non-fastbreak shots are gonna be self-created, 20% will be off good ball movement. We had Andre Miller but we didn't really have great ball movement that led to scores, I felt his passing was wasted last season, our guys were horrible at moving without the ball. The people who would fit the Sixers' create-a-shot-for-yourself motion offense: Darrell Arthur, Nicolas Batum, Russell Westbrook, CDR, Kyle Weaver, Lester Hudson, DJ White... If we start Thad, Iggy, Miller, we need a big that can shoot a jumper - how about Ryan Anderson, who sounds like a Jason Smith copy?
Posted 12:21 AM, 05/30/2008
jkay
seude: i think azuibike is very intersting, one of those guys who is too young to tell where his ceiling is, but how can you like crittenden when you havent even seen him play. really? didnt he get like 1.3mpg or sumthin. i dont know how much he played but it sure aint much. thats too much to base your projections aint it?
Posted 11:52 PM, 05/29/2008
seude
Crittenden is one of a few players in the league I would move our pick for; I like Chalmers because unlike Lowry and Crittenden, he can shoot from deep. If R.Lopez is there at #16 I would love to bring him in as a 4/5; he was kept out of the post by his brother at Stanford but he may be better when all is said and done. If A.Miller is staying than we don!t need a point till L.Williams proves he is not one. A no frills 2009 lineup::: S.Dalembert/R.Lopez; Collison/J.Smith/Evans; T.Young/Carney; Iggy/Azuibuke/W.Green; A.Miller/L.Williams:::Is that good enough, no major moves just draft and use cap room in signing Azuibuke and trading for Collison.
Posted 11:24 PM, 05/29/2008
sixerzguy
suede, with rookie salary structure, we could look at last year's draftees, too - how about this year's pick for Crittenton? Maybe even Kyle Lowry? They'd be better than Chalmers. I'm starting to not like most of the players that'll be left at #16 - lots of good swingmen, a Memphis need.
Posted 11:05 PM, 05/29/2008
seude
Blski, looking at Milwaukee!s record since the Ford/Villanuava deal, other variables but a 10 game difference in wins when Ford was out hurt and also after the trade. Wondering if we have to take a step back with the improvement of our young guys and whoever we get with our cap money and in an A.Miller deal[hypothetically].Wonder if A.Miller is going to be willing to take on a reduced role.
Posted 10:49 PM, 05/29/2008
bski
SUEDE: It's not that I don't want to move Miller. It's that I don't want to move him until we have another PG who can step in without us having a drop off. Ideally, I would prefer a rather seamless transition. Since I doubt any PG we draft could do this immediately, I think the smart play is to keep Miller around a while longer. Again, if we sign Miller to a 3 year extension that does not mean he stays here until the end of it or that he continues to play the same amount of minutes. As the replacement PG progresses, Miller's minutes can decrease and when the replacement PG is ready, we can move Miller. Who knows, in a couple years Miller may be amenable to changing to more of a backup, veteran support type of PG role. I mean Fisher is still getting the job done in LA and Hunter, Cassell, and even Vaughan are still contributing to the Pistons, Celtics, and Spurs respectively, so Miller could do the same thing for us down the road.
Posted 10:34 PM, 05/29/2008
seude
Blski, I think a 4/5 or 3/4 player added by draft or free agency would help. Alot of good young p.g.!s may be available, I know you don!t want to move A.Miller but if the right situation is presented? Do you get the feeling they are not that high on J.Smith? J.Kay, I just feel a defensive guard, preferably with a good jumper is a better fit for THIS style of team and may make us better.
Posted 10:08 PM, 05/29/2008
bski
SUEDE: According to that quote I posted yesterday, Es said we need a center or a power forward. This could mean several things, but I don't think Sam playing the 4 is one of them. I'm thinking more along the lines of having 2 pairs of bigs(1 offensive/1 defensive) like Cleveland. I could see an offensive center playing alongside Reggie(leaving Sam at the 5 paired with Jason at the 4) or an offensive power forward paired with Sam at the 5(with Jason at the 5 paired with Reggie at the 4). Or it could be something entirely different. Maybe ES is working the phones and has ideas on moving one of our bigs, which would determine what kind of replacement we would need. Whatever it is, I can't wait for something to happen so we can stop speculating and start talking about actual moves and what they mean for us.
Posted 10:01 PM, 05/29/2008
jkay
seude: when you put it that way...yeah i think andre miller is a luxury just like korver, he's no good unless you are contending. he keeps holding the 6ers hands and bailing them out wit big shots they might never grow. throw lou to the wolves next yr and make mo earn his money, hey he made it work the first time. that said i dunno if they will actually trade miller. amishhoopster: golden state will eat the luxury tax whole before they trade ellis. i wudnt even trade him stright up for iggy. and i'm a number 1 iggy fan. that guy is a smaller quicker ben gordon. he's worth more to them (their style of play) than anyone else. sixers are picking a guard in the 1st round. someone will slip i guarantee it. someone will reach for love too. just wait, this always happens.
Posted 08:55 PM, 05/29/2008
seude
Blski, I like C.D.R. but I love B.Rush.I think Rush can play some 3, like Carney as our backup 2, although a wing would be my last position choice. What about E.S. mentioning the center position, does that mean he feels Sam can play a lot at the 4 if the best low post player is a center? His defense really did improve, it gives E.S. more options.
Posted 07:27 PM, 05/29/2008
Mike J
New topic-Will Tim Donaghy soon become this decade's Jose Canseco? This saga is about to ......get rather intriguing
Posted 07:07 PM, 05/29/2008
Morty_
KM: Ellis is not a 3 point shooter, but in exchange, does not shoot them (like Miller, and unlike Green). He is ahead of Lou in development, so if you want to argue that Lou could become the same player at a lower cost, I'm amenable to that argument. However that's speculation and projection, and this is coming from a big fan of Lou. ** Suede: Golden State has 47 mil tied up in only 7 players for next season, so to sign both will likely take them over the luxury tax. ** bski: no thanks to CDR. We have no need for yet another wing player who is more of a scorer than shooter.
Posted 06:34 PM, 05/29/2008
bski
SUEDE: What about CDR? No way he'll be there, or you just don't want him?
Posted 06:06 PM, 05/29/2008
seude
Dean, agree about Ellis, but he and Beidrens are probably not going anywhere. K.M., I meant the 2nd Lopez[Robin] but where we are at a p.g. may be a reach. If any of this group is left at 16 I grab them in a heartbeat; [Alexander,Augustine,Westbrook,R.Lopez and Rush] But they all probably go right in front of us. Chalmers is my next p.g. choice, can shoot and really ballhawk.
Posted 05:52 PM, 05/29/2008
Dean1
KM - I've seen Monta Ellis play a lot. I wouldn't trade Iggy for him because of his smaller size and average defense. However, he's light years ahead of Lou Williams...he's just a much better all around player. If GS wanted to do a sign and trade Ellis for Lou (Ellis will get substantially more $$ than Lou), I'd drive him out to Oakland myself.
Posted 04:41 PM, 05/29/2008
K,M
Morty, have to say his points per game numbers are impressive, but his 3pt shooting seems very willie green to me (23% on the year to lou's 37%). Lou seems to be the better assist man also (monta has about one more per game, but with far more minutes) field goal % is impressive, and i do like his 5 boards per game for a little guy, but i feel like especially with on our 3pt woes, lou is the better fit if we're going to go with an undersized sg... Again, havent seen a lot of him, but based on the numbers im going with lou.
Posted 03:49 PM, 05/29/2008
Morty_
KM: Ellis is a flat out scoring machine, shoots a extremely high percentage, is young and has improved every year in the league. Downside is that he's not great, and small sized, on defense. He would be a huge upgrade over Wille G at SG. I would not move Igoudala for him, because that is merely one step forward one step back, but a very promising young player.
Posted 03:20 PM, 05/29/2008
K,M
Morty, cant say that i've seen a ton of Ellis - just vague memories of last years playoff. My impression of him from that small sample was that he's a similar player to Lou. Just curious, what is it about him that interests you - better floor game, defense?
Posted 01:45 PM, 05/29/2008
Morty_
I've recently been wondering about Ellis myself. I'm not sure Igoudala for Ellis works, however, because the only reason Ellis would be available would be financial. Lou Williams for Ellis?
Posted 01:41 PM, 05/29/2008
hugh
K,M - Good post. I like Padgett as well. He is definitely a smart player with crafty moves as the excerpt states. Those guys always seem to find their ways to championship caliber teams. He and White will probably both end up on Detroit or San Antonio.
Posted 01:04 PM, 05/29/2008
amishhoopster
any chance the sixers could pull off a sign & trade with Golden State for Monte Ellis? Iggy for Ellis...this would allow Young to play the 3, Ellis would solve our shooting guard issues and draft a 4 to complete the roster...
Posted 11:41 AM, 05/29/2008
K,M
By the way, draftexpress is talking up my other favorite sleeper, David Padgett. Still think if we wind up with a lower second round pick as a result of some trade or another he'd be a great backup C. "The heady, veteran winners who played under big-time coaches at big-time programs—see: Neitzel, Drew, and Padgett, David—did a good job standing out....and Padgett, a master of moving to the right spots on the court, utilizing up-fakes and crafty footwork, finishing with either hand around the basket and impressive with his vocal leadership skills around his teammates."
Posted 11:33 AM, 05/29/2008
K,M
Suede, I do agree with you that Love & Lopez are probably the 1 & 2 PF's in this draft, but my thinking based on the assumption that they'll be in demand & we probably wont be able to grab them. In that case, my next PF is DJ. I've considered a trade-down scenario myself, and i wouldn't be opposed to it, but i think it'd have to trade to lower in the 1st round - have a feeling that a detroit or san antonio will snap this guy up at the bottom of round 1. Having said all that, I think its ultimately a moot point because we're going to draft a guard in round one...
Posted 10:03 AM, 05/29/2008
The Greek
Mar narducci, the guy truly runs a great blog. Thanks for the effort Marc. One day he might even approach Phil Jasner status.
Posted 08:11 AM, 05/29/2008
seude
J.Kay, E.S. talks about wanting a running, defensive team.If that is going to be our identity than go get a ballhawking point that is athletic and can run and bring that identity full circle, pressure defense starts at the point. As far as A.Miller, he has taught our young guys enough, its time to let them think for themselves.In a backward way is he holding them back by bailing them out all the time. If "win ugly" is going to be our motto than put an uptempo, lockdown, pressuring lineup together now with the goal every night to cause turnovers and create havoc.
Posted 01:25 AM, 05/29/2008
jkay
haha sixerzguy said willie green! lol ohh my goodness, he used him the same sentence as unbeatable lineup. haa good one!!!
Posted 01:14 AM, 05/29/2008
jkay
seude: don't like miller and iggy backcourt? ok! why? any legit reason. ohh iguodala cant shoot, miller's too slow blah blah blah. stuff like this don't make sense simply cos the reason the sixers were able to score this season was cos of them. i dont wanna bring up stats but sixers starting backcourt probably accounted for 40% of their total offense. whenever they lost it was cos one of those two didnt play well. i dunno where the whole sg thing fits in but having both on the floor is paramount or the sixers can barely move from point a to point b. seriously we basically had two points on the floor (though iggy's play was naturally sloppy) i'd really like to see the miracle kid thats gonna step in at the 2 and put up numbers, dish and defend to satisfaction. this aint fantasy draft ppl manage what you have for now. to me it dont look that bad AT ALL.
Posted 12:11 AM, 05/29/2008
sixerzguy
Darn, they took my post re: DiLeo... A quick re-write: DiLeo's been with the Sixers for 17 years, after about 10 years he should be a top-notch talent evaluator but he's not.
Posted 12:05 AM, 05/29/2008
sixerzguy
topwonk, quick take on DiLeo - he's been with the Sixers for 17 years, been involved with getting players through draft/free agency/trades, with poor results. I don't know how he escapes fan criticism, but he deserves it as much as Billy King did. Analogy - a project team in your company has been doing a poor job for a while now, do you just fire the head (Billy King)? No, you study the performances of the members of the team, too - the incompetency may not lie with the leader alone. Basketball isn't rocket science, after about 10 years, DiLeo should've learned enough to be a top-notch talent evaluator, not drafting Derrick Byars in his 17th year. How long do doctors go to med school again? DiLeo's a bum. That's harsh, I know, but I don't like all the Sixers' losing and their no-chemistry teams.
Posted 11:13 PM, 05/28/2008
seude
Blski, I am just not sold on an Iggy and A.Miller backcourt, don!t know if Iggy is much of an improvement on Willie at the offensive end, [more turnovers];If the right player can be had[Crittenden,T.J.Ford,Marcus Williams] then I would consider it.Would rather take a step back now than when we are close to contending[2 years?]. Really like Chalmers[Cheeks like clone,better shooter at this stage] and if Miller could get us either [Collison/Watson] or [M.Miller/Lowry]or [Blake/Outlaw] that would allow Chalmers to learn under Mo and a p.g. with some experience.
Posted 10:45 PM, 05/28/2008
bski
SUEDE: ES could just be blowing smoke or I could be way off in my impressions, but I really think that he wants it both ways. He wants the young guys and Miller. You've got to figure Cheeks really values what Miller brings to the team and it appears ES is of the same opinion. I'm sensing that the plan is to continue giving the young guys time to grow and develop and to have Miller, the solid, veteran point guard here to run the show and help bring them along. Like I said before, ES was quoted as saying MAYBE DOWN THE LINE WE NEED A POINT GUARD, TOO. That certainly doesn't sound like he's out looking for a replacement PG now. ES will then use our draft picks and cap space to add pieces to what we have. I'm not expecting him to remake the team by moving a lot of guys.
Posted 06:35 PM, 05/28/2008
seude
K.M., I like White, if we could trade down and get a late first and a second rounder I have no problem picking him but I would rather get a bigger 4 that can handle the players that overpower Sam and Reggie is to small to handle. I think R.Lopez is gonna be a double-double guy but he may go 10 to 12 now according to some articles on the net.[Indiana,Charlotte ?] Hugh, agree about Spieghts, something about him scares me. Have a feeling he is going to be a guy that doesn!t stay in shape,just a feeling. As far as best player available, we do need help at every position but I would like Carney to be our backup 2 so we can be longer at the wing positions ; Blski, if we are going to wait 3 years for our young guys, which I have no problem with, I would explore moving A.Miller now and bring a young p.g. here who is ready [T.J.Ford,S.Blake] or a young pt. [Chalmers,Augustine,Lawson] that in 2 years is ready.If we don!t use our cap room, like some people have suggested, than I don!t think we get in the playoffs next year,Charlotte,Chicago,Miami and even N.York are all going to be much better.
Posted 01:53 PM, 05/28/2008
Morty_
KM: I'm not knocking White. I have no opinion on him because I've never seen him play, in fact. Just passing on what I read.
Posted 01:31 PM, 05/28/2008
hugh
KM, Good post re White. He is definitely undervalued - just as Boozer was a few years ago. Take a look at that draft - there are only about 2 or 3 big guys in that draft that are near Boozer (Amare, Yao, Wilcox?). By the way, we took Jiri Welsch that year and traded him and eventually came out of that draft with Salmons. Thanks, BK!
Posted 01:06 PM, 05/28/2008
bski
Speaking of GM's, has anybody read John Denton's piece in todays Inquirer? Our man ES has a few interesting quotes. I'll mention three of them here. 1)"We need a shooter, we need a center or power forward, and maybe down the line we need a point guard, too." Sounds to me like Es knows that Andre Miller is going to be here for a while. 2) Regarding the draft, ES said "I don't know if we'll get a guy who can step in right away, but we feel comfortable that we'll get a player to add to the team. With all of the young guys that we have, starting right away may be difficult." This tells me that ES is committed to our group of young guys, so I'm not expecting any major revamping of the roster. 3)"Who really knows until three years later if the guy that you picked was the right pick?" This tells me that ES is going to have a patient approach. Very interesting.
Posted 12:39 PM, 05/28/2008
K,M
Morty, I think its part of the job description of GMs to deny rumors, regardless of their validity. kinda like a white house press secretary... really though, i dont know (or so much care) who detroit drafts, Im just kind of making the general point that i think DJ is undervalued in this draft. I think people sometimes get too caught up in who has potential vs. who can actually play, and the questions raised (past injuries, conditioning issues) were answered as far as im concerned by a highly productive senior season following the junior season that raised those questions. In particular, draftexpress' characterization that he runs like an old man struck me as particularly off base - the kid is athletic, and the way i saw him running around on defense was downright reggie evans-esque. Maybe im just a fan, but that's my take on the issue.
Posted 12:01 PM, 05/28/2008
Morty_
topwonk: you display a firm grasp of sarcasm. As for DJWhite, for what it worth, reading Hoopshype today, they have Dumars denying the rumor, and saying he might be more interested in trading out of the 1st round.
Posted 11:30 AM, 05/28/2008
K,M
Hugh, The bit about detroit wanting DJ is interesting, but not the least bit surprising. detroit knows talent when they see it. Suede, i really think you're undervaluing White(same goes for draft express). He's more than a role player on a team that has scoring - he is a scoring big man. averaged maybe a point less than Love on the year. Detroit wont start him right away cause they have sheed & McDyess holding it down right now, but i bet he jumps over maxiell on the depth chart before long, and starts when a space opens on their roster.
Posted 11:13 AM, 05/28/2008
The Greek
Funny, my last post hazing Marc was not approved. At least someone is working there.
Posted 10:58 AM, 05/28/2008
hugh
Suede, I think that White reminds me more of Brand than Speights does. Also, the fact that Detroit is going to bring in another big, strong, hard-working PF who can score and rebound makes me realize that we are still so far away from really competing. DiLeo and King are both all about taking the "best player available" - and you know how I feel about that theory. That theory should be thrown out the window - stomped - kicked - and spit on. It only really applies when the best player available is head and shoulders above the rest of the guys on the board. Also, from a scoring standpoint - wouldn't it be better to make a move for Redd - sign and trade Iggy. You will get more scoring, spacing for big guys (whoever is brought in) to allow for even more scoring and it will seal up the SG position for a few years.
Posted 09:37 AM, 05/28/2008
topwonk
Sixerzguy: Where did your Tony Dileo comment come from - left field? Dileo is a class act with a very good basketball mind, and pedigree. And, you're "unbeatable team" is emminently thrashable...
Posted 08:37 AM, 05/28/2008
bski
For magic post #500, I'm keeping with the draft. Did anyone see Chad Ford's mock draft 2.0 on espn.com? He has us taking Marreese Speights. Here's what Ford says about him, "The Sixers are still looking for a low post banger. If they can't get Elton brand this summer, they'll have to seriously consider Speights. Speights does a lot of the same things that Brand does; he just doesn't have the conditioning or motivation." What? If that is truly the case, I want no part of him.
Posted 08:08 AM, 05/28/2008
seude
With their 2nd round pick, acquired in a draft day trade, the Phila. 76ers select [Nando DeColo], a 6!5", 20 year old p.g. from France. Interesting bio on draftexpress; under p.g. rankings.
Posted 07:44 AM, 05/28/2008
seude
Hugh, Detroit can afford to bring in a role playing young frontcourt player into their mix because they have scoring elsewhere.He will be a good backup to A.Johnson and Maxiel, unfortunately for us we need a lot more of an impact scoringwise at some position before we can think about adding the secondery pieces.
Posted 10:56 PM, 05/27/2008
sixerzguy
hugh, I'm CRAZY busy at work, but I had to do my part to bring the comments to 500, and throw this out there: The Sixers draft Chris Douglas-Roberts, and at certain times next year, Mo will throw out the following unbeatable lineup: Willie Green, Carney, Iggy, CDR, and Thad! As long as they don't miss, they'll be fine! Unlike you, I actually like CDR, I think he'd be a great fit on this team considering Mo likes to have his players go from side to side handing off to each other for about 20 seconds, and then whoever has the ball with about 4 seconds left gets to shoot! I can't believe Tony DiLeo is still with the team. I really hope we can get Dean's lineup (Lowry, Iggy, Miller, Brand, but NOT Sammy) so that Mo will have to play differently!
Posted 09:10 PM, 05/27/2008
hugh
Yeah - he is not worried about an inch of height when it comes to length, strength, smarts and NBA readiness. But he can't help us - we need another swing man or a project - or better yet, Zach Randolph.
Posted 08:53 PM, 05/27/2008
seude
Hugh, if Dumars likes him, that is the biggest compliment of all.
Posted 08:32 PM, 05/27/2008
hugh
Saw this on draftexpress: D.J. White may have a promise from the Detroit Pistons at the end of the first round, according to sources with ties to the player. The Pistons have the 29th overall pick and may like the way White’s length and toughness fit into their team’s overall culture. They have not been shy in the past about identifying players they like early on and being aggressive pursuing them—having made a promise to draft Rodney Stuckey with the 15th overall pick right around this time last year, and reportedly also giving DeVon Hardin assurances they would select him in the late first round before he decided to return to school. They did the same exact thing with Jason Maxiell a few years back, which caused him to pull out of the NBA pre-draft camp after just one day, despite then being projected as a 2nd round pick. White has scheduled many workouts with NBA teams for the weeks leading up to draft, which is not unusual even for players like Stuckey or Maxiell if year’s past is any indication. He will not be playing in the NBA pre-draft camp, which is a pretty good sign that he feels comfortable with where he is projected to be drafted.
Posted 01:54 AM, 05/27/2008
jkay
food for thought, anyone think of al harrington? well he's not exactly a spring chicken but you never know....
Posted 11:46 PM, 05/26/2008
seude
J.Kay, they would be foolish to break up what they have BUT, their front office seems to really be scrooged up and sometimes smart decisions aren!t made.
Posted 10:34 PM, 05/26/2008
jkay
well now i'm officially confused. i have no suggestions left for this team. ed good luck meen (sarcastic). seude: i believe that marvin williams available (trade or whatever) is a coup. they won't let that happen. as good as josh smith is, williams is just as important i think. if they overlook that and go for childress i'll be holding up picket signs. williams is not yet a pf but could become a very good one, athletic, NICE touch from outside, good post game. meen u gotta be real dumb to let that one slip away. i know the jury's out on smith (not a pf just a big wing) but might as well just go all the way huh. hmm atlanta's really in a pickle, pity they were so promising, their hand is gonna be forced. lets just play patient vultures for now. ohhh let it be known i would pay josh-smith-max-type-money anyday for m.williams (projects like l. aldridge)
Posted 10:56 AM, 05/26/2008
seude
K.M., agree about the split time issue for our new p.f.; 24 to 28 minutes max with Reggie and Thad getting the rest of the minutes. I think Jason is going to be our backup 5 for 15 to 18 minutes a night because of his ability to block shots and run the floor. Limited minutes would hide some of Randolph!s deficiences but don!t know if he would go for it. Definitely something that would have to be addressed with him before any move was made.
Posted 10:18 AM, 05/26/2008
K,M
I think you could make a case one way other the other for Randolph. jkay, agree we don't need to be a full time half-court team, but we do need to have at least ONE half court option. If nothing else, i think the Detroit series taught us that. If he basically splits time with Reggie, it could be a good balance. Agree with suede on Jsmoove - If we're going to go out and spend on a PF, i want someone who actually plays like a PF. Besides, I want thaddeus to develop his away from the basket game - taking that step is what will turn him for a rookie with potential to a true player. so rather not have him trying to make up for our PF's post deficiencies.
Posted 09:57 AM, 05/26/2008
seude
Marc hopefully will be back Teusday from his vacation with some interesting perspectives to throw our way, let!s get to the magic 500 mark. The measurements will be made soon at Orlando, hope the Beas. isn!t 6!7" and Rose 6!2".
Posted 09:37 AM, 05/26/2008
seude
Xing, our Atlanta bloggers have talked about B.Knight!s loyalty to M.Williams since he drafted him so high.With Knight out of the picture and Josh playing so well in the playoffs they may move M.Williams instead to free up money for Smith and Childress. Out of the 3, Williams may be the least valuable and he makes, I believe, 5 to 6 mill. per.
Posted 09:25 AM, 05/26/2008
xing
jkay, so glad to have you make an educated stand against Randolph. Suede, I'm not sure about Josh Smith, but I think he showed some balanced play in the playoffs this year- and he's younger that Zach. By the way, one of the main reasons I write on this board is to keep it going. WOO HOO- We are BACK on a link at Philly.com!! MARC, don't forsake us now!!
Posted 08:23 AM, 05/26/2008
seude
J.Kay, Randolph is more athletic than you think. Not a big J.Smith fan, no post game ,actually plays a small forwards game but if Thad is willing to play in the post, than o.k. .But here is the thing. If Atlanta can!t resign him[ 15 to 17 mill.?] than they will do a sign and trade with them probably asking for Sammy, would the sixers do this,maybe.I would, and then get a low post center in the draft but doubt they would. We can!t run all the time, that was proved and is still being proved in the playoffs by all the teams, it comes down to a 1/2 court game and that is what we need to improve.
Posted 01:45 AM, 05/26/2008
jkay
hmmm ok after hrs of internet researching and deep meditating (hummmm...) i have made my judgement on zbo. its a bad idea to bring him here (happy now dean?) Talent wise he is what we need. behavior is overrated; he's really just a punk in the sense that he is immature. thats all, nothing malicious just lacking judgment or character. that can be fixed too. but the bane is that his strength is in the half court. if we want to use him adequately we would have to change our style to half-court oriented ball but think about it, can the 6ers roster ever really be a half-court style team? (well predominantly anyway)? i think not. who on their roster fits that profile? maybe thad but thats it. and u know what, i think they can still win a championship with that style if used rightly. there's no real rule to winning; its just making shots and defense. point is randolph entering would mean major tweaks and thats not our strength. its kinda weird but the more u look at it the more u start thinking phoenix (w/ defense) as opposed to detroit(those nuts are 100% precision). u know what, to hell with their half court theories, lets just run, run, run, run until someone makes us stop! thats it, thats what this team needs to become to establish an identity. iverson is a good analogy, he was ALWAYS in attack mode, defense whatever he just kept attacking. hell lets just go for it that way meen whats there to lose. phew with that said jkay the GM pronounces Josh Smith at the top of our priorities list. any judgments on him?
Posted 05:39 PM, 05/25/2008
The Greek
Dean, I didnt mean to compare randolph to a younger chris webber. What I meant was that randolph and his crappy fg% reminded me of the webber that we had when he was a fossill. Ofcourse i would love to have a young webber, even if he was one of the biggest losers on earth. marc, you have turned you back on your fans.
Posted 12:35 PM, 05/25/2008
seude
J.Kay, Sam!s biggest improvement this year was how well he actually stayed in front of Bosh,Garnett,Duncan and other quick bigs.He will always have trouble with D.Howard [strength] but he bent his knees and actually got in a good defensive stance; whoever worked with him needs to work with Rodney, he could be unbelieveable if he got lower also.How many teams have 2 big scoring bigs, not many, so Randolph!s defense may be less of a factor. I do agree with Hugh in that we can!t "sell the farm" for Randolph. Caproom, young players and draft picks;NO!!!:Cap room,one young player and Utah #1; maybe:Caproom,Willie,Utah #1; I!ll drive Willie to N.York!!!
Posted 12:06 PM, 05/25/2008
jkay
seude: its kinda how sad how ppl seem to undervalue sammy. u can ull stats or show boneheaded plays and all but the one thing that spoke volumes for me was how we got killed defensively everytime he wasnt on the floor. it was truly bad. if we want to build a defensive team, centers dont get much better than dalembert. the best thing about the nba draft is there is always some boneheaded GM that will reach for some STAR athlete and leave you with a gift or like last yr where the #11 pick could be just as good as #3. just watch these idiots. i'll wait for the knicks and memphis with their pg plethora to start up trouble.
Posted 10:27 AM, 05/25/2008
seude
Draft day prediction; if Minn. takes B.Lopez over Mayo at 3 it will go down as Mchale!s last blunder as a g.m. [Bowie/Jordan?].Alexander says the right things; player he admires,[M.Harpring] because he works hard and does whatever it takes to win. Love Alexander at #16 but doubt he lasts that long.
Posted 09:33 AM, 05/25/2008
seude
J.Kay, I will try to make you feel better. Hugh said players can!t change, I disagree. Before this year, Sam!s effort on the court wasn!t consistant but Reggie seemed to have an effect on him,why not on Randolph. Okafor is younger, a better defender and about the same salary wise after he resigns but is not as good a fit because we need a big time scorer that will draw a doubleteam and other than Brand or Beasley, Randolph again is the best option. And thirdly, with Sam improving his man on man defense Randolph just has to cover the second big on most teams;[Perkins,Bargnani,Oberto,Dampier,etc.]
Posted 09:33 AM, 05/25/2008
hugh
marc, I hope you have just been on vacation and it is nothing serious. jkay, is Randolph really the only option out there? I would take a PF in the draft - I think there are some options where we are picking. I am either going to take a break from the blog or change my alias and head over to another blog.
Posted 01:30 AM, 05/25/2008
jkay
did i speak too soon, wow so few comments, all you traitors are heading over to realgm? ehh so thats how it is huh. when marc gets back i'm telling on you meen. hey marc bloggin may not be as much fun as hawaiian chicks in grass skirts but check in at least once, this is goin crazy here. dean1: hugh here is making me very reluctant about randolph. the more he talks..., the game in philly showcased a very sloppy slow randolph...say something to convince me that its still a very good idea. hugh: who do you like then? drafting a pf is a 3-4yr project that is never guaranteed. i think its a catch-22. 6ers need to catch lightning in a bottle or sumthin.
Posted 02:13 PM, 05/24/2008
hugh
jkay, I really do think that it will be a bad move to bring him in here. I think he is a punk and I really want nothing to do with him. He is not even in shape. Remember the game against the Knicks in Philly where we won by like 30 points or something - he made more lazy passes and got out-hustled on more plays than anyone I watched all year. The youtube clips were just prime examples of why I don't want him at all. In all seriousness, I really can't believe you guys like him. I bet you were all in the majority against me when we dealt Van Horn for Big Dog. I would actually bet money that you liked that trade when it happened.
Posted 12:03 PM, 05/24/2008
LloydBraun
Randolph, IF motivated and focused on hoops, could be a major PF for any team. But, the baggage may be too big of a risk. What would the Knicks want for Randolph and the 6. Miller, the 16th, Williams and the Utah pick? Or, cap space, the 16 and Williams? What about Iguodala, any word? Any specific info on other targets?
Posted 11:27 AM, 05/24/2008
Dean1
LloydBraun - I don't know what board or who SixerFan1976 is, so I don't know. With regard to Zach Randolph...he is one of many options that the Sixers are looking at. After hearing the 950 interview webcast in which ES basically said "no" to a potential Randolph deal, I was surprised to hear that the Sixers are really high on him. Again, all I was told is that he "fits us like a glove" from someone very in the know...they're just checking out the off-the-court issues, which to be clear, they feel could be a major issue. The word "entourage" was thrown out there re: Randolph's baggage. Also, the Sixers' feel that the NYK #6 pick is not for sale unless the Sixers throw some young players into the mix in the Randolph deal. Which young players that may be, I have no idea, but my guess would be that Lou Williams / Rodney Carney both fit Mike D'Antoni's style very much, so it would probably be one of those two.
Posted 11:12 AM, 05/24/2008
LloydBraun
Dean1, Can you provide us with any more info in regards to the "looking into" of Randolph and the transaction tree? Would a deal with NY involve swapping picks? Who would we send to NY? Is your source the same source that Sixerfan1976 has on the realgm boards? Cheers
Posted 10:34 AM, 05/24/2008
bski
JKAY: You nailed it. That's all anybody can do. Build up talent and get better hoping it will gel and become something special. The Spurs and the Pistons did the same thing, it's just that the Spurs have proven to be more successful. Even though the Pistons have not been as successful as they had hoped, they have indeed been successful. You cannot dismiss the 6 straight EC finals as a failure because they've only won 1 championship. The reason I keep bringing up Detroit is because I see a lot of similarities between them and us. I think we can be successful if we follow their path, although I do hope for even better results. Look, Hamilton was the Pistons leading scorer at something like 19.2ppg. He was about 53rd in the league in scoring and had the lowest ppg avg of any team leader. Their success comes from getting major contributions from many players. We are very similar. Iggy led us in scoring at 19.9ppg and, when we are playing well, we get major contributions from several guys. There would be nothing wrong with having one guy around 20ppg and getting 10-15ppg from 5 other guys. With the addition of a few upgrades to the roster we can certainly do that.
Posted 07:07 AM, 05/24/2008
sfw
jkay, you win...................................
Posted 07:07 AM, 05/24/2008
sfw
jkay, you win...................................
Posted 02:03 AM, 05/24/2008
jkay
freakin post got lost; i just wanted to congratulate everyone on doing a good job of maxing out this thread. we approaching 500 and now its not even on the philly.,com website, i had to search google for the link. so ppl lets keep typing our entertaining but somewhat frivolous comments (sorry sfw) hugh; do you really think the sixers franchise is doomed if they trade for zach randolph? is he really that bad? if a couple of youtube videos (ny is a mess) is all you have to show then it does not make a very convincing argument does it?
Posted 01:51 AM, 05/24/2008
jkay
as for iggy trades; i know they kinda play the same position but don't you want to see iggy and thad on the same team? stop this blind insistence on mathematical themes like 2 and 3 and shooting vs. non-shooting. sometimes all you just need is good players. the coach can do the x and o's and make it work. i dunno this san antonio/detroit thing is misleading ppl. One; you may NEVER reach the talent level of sa (knock on wood), you may never have a tim duncan (knock on wood), might never get a rasheed wallace (knock on wood), all you can do is try to build up talent. i'm sure sa GM did not envision this when he was building the team, he just wanted to get better. sometimes thats all you can do. so lose the linear thinking and just accept whatever we can get our hands on and hope they gel well. remember guys "THE EAST IS STILL VERY WEAK"
Posted 01:46 AM, 05/24/2008
jkay
hey guys congratulations (to sfw's dismay) we have officially killed this thread with comments. it no longer shows up on the philly.com site, i had to search for the link on google, guess we maxed it out. keep up the good work guys lol. monta ellis? in your dreams caller no9. nice that ppl are rising up to defend jason smith, i agree a bit but i just cant shake off that feeling from seeing him play, very "rodney-carneyish" and i'm talking early 60gms. i dunno wud take a lot to convince me than just skooting skill and basketball iq. to all zach randolph haters; you have a legit point but i would rather take a player that has the ability to play well and has issues than a marginal blue-collar dude. hey as long as he don't go all iverson on the rest he's ok with me. i see him as a high risk/high reward kinda guy. hey at this point might as well roll the dice. hugh; it dont make sense to hate on a guy cos of a couple of youtube videos. ny was a mess. point is we dont know much about him except his game. that is all we can bank on. hey if he can screw up our whole franchise by himself then that would be something.
Posted 01:26 AM, 05/24/2008
seude
Lakers look scary without Bynum. Imagine next year.
Posted 10:08 PM, 05/23/2008
Dean1
Morty - Ellis is a helluva a ballplayer (a real difference maker to be honest), but it looks like GS may be moving Baron Davis in a sign and trade...he may even opt out of his deal, though that's not likely according to the papers in the Bay Area. I'm not all that high on Biedrens.
Posted 09:50 PM, 05/23/2008
sfw
I think we need to take some valium. BLOG is spinning all over the place with recycled ideas. A lot of the offseason remains. Let's not blow each other up over it. It's only an exchange of ideas. Nothing to take personally. Gotta chill. Mayb the Blog needs a vacation to be revisited in mid June for the draft.
Posted 09:50 PM, 05/23/2008
sfw
I think we need to take some valium. BLOG is spinning all over the place with recycled ideas. A lot of the offseason remains. Let's not blow each other up over it. It's only an exchange of ideas. Nothing to take personally. Gotta chill. Mayb the Blog needs a vacation to be revisited in mid June for the draft.
Posted 09:06 PM, 05/23/2008
bski
HUGH: Thanks.******SUEDE & XING: I never said we have to keep EVERYBODY. As I have stated, I have no delusions about each young guy reaching all star level. I believe I've been consistent with all my posts. My stance is that we have several young players who could use some time to develop. Since we are at least 2 years away from serious title contention my preference is to allow them that time to see what they've got. I feel that several of them will prove to be major contributors to our success. I do not like giving up on young players so soon. If we move several of them now they will give their best years to other teams. I have also stated many times that IF a major upgrade presents itself(whether a player or higher draft pick) we've got to make the move.
Posted 08:04 PM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
I would hope Ellis and Bierdins from Golden State are on the radar.
Posted 07:17 PM, 05/23/2008
hugh
Bski, you appear to be one of the few people on here that knows how to build a winning team. I am in the same opinion in regards to the development of the young guys. I don't know why you would want a Travis Outlaw instead of a Michael Redd. It is true that people too much emphasis on these all-around players who can't score - see the Chicago Bulls (Deng, Thomas, Noah) - you have to be able to shoot - put it in the whole. I will take Redd for Dre - as much as I like him. If Ed goes for Zach, it will really ruin my summer as far as the Sixers go.
Posted 06:46 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
Xing, I don!t think Aldridge is going to be moved. I think they want to move secondary pieces that make good money and fill the roster with young draft picks.
Posted 06:37 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
Xing, heard J.Mac also, wonder about Outlaw and Webster, 2 young qand talented swing men. Seems Portland needs to do a 4 for 2 or a 3 for 1 deal to clear roster spots.Outlaw was mentioned in all the J.Kidd rumors last year and at 6!9" is very interesting as a long option at the 3, but it seems the team that gets the best player in a deal makes out so an Iggy for [Outlaw,Blake,Frye] may not work.
Posted 06:19 PM, 05/23/2008
xing
That last statement was incomplete. He can develop into the backup PF that we are hoping for.
Posted 06:16 PM, 05/23/2008
xing
I don't disagree with you, bski and Greek, about Jason Smith. I'm saying that if we are offered an upgrade in talent- (I'm dreaming) ie Lamarcus Aldridge, (projected to STILL be improving) or another trade involving young skilled players, Jason isn't untouchable. Jody Mac on 950 had an interview in which it was said Portland could have interest in Iggy. Perhaps we can include Smith and come up with a blockbuster, landing Aldridge, Frye and 1st round or another player. I think Frye and Smith may be a wash, but he can be part of something bigger. I want to make it clear: I'm not pushing to get rid of him. I WOULD RATHER keep a 7' player with some athletic ability and a jumper, but as of now he is not about to be a starter! Not here, not on most teams! I just don't think we HAVE to keep him. I stand by my statement earlier that he CAN develop into the backup PF.
Posted 06:16 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
Blski, love to develop this young group,and do see similarity to Pistons but if the #6 pick is somehow attainable in a deal with N.York we can really excellerate this teams progress and some pieces may have to be used.
Posted 05:59 PM, 05/23/2008
bski
DEAN: Fair enough. I was just using Detroit as an example of sticking with a core group and maintaining a high level of play for an extended period. I don't want to come up short year after year like they do. I still agree with their approach even though it hasn't worked out exactly as they expected it to.
Posted 04:40 PM, 05/23/2008
Dean1
Suede - No comment. Love to tell, but wouldn't do that. You know how it is.
Posted 04:35 PM, 05/23/2008
Dean1
BKSI - It's important to remember though that Detroit only made one conf championship (and got swept) before getting Rasheed. Make no mistake about it...Rasheed is clearly the difference maker on that team. You can have all the Rips, Billups, and Prince's that you want...but with no Rasheed, it only gets you so far.
Posted 04:28 PM, 05/23/2008
bski
GREEK: You are right. We were both defending Jason Smith. My defense extends beyond him to include our entire young core. I want us to build for an extended run like Detroit. In order to do that we must put together a stable group around which we can add pieces as necessary to maintain a high level of play. Like I said before, even though the young guys may never reach an all star level of play, they can certainly be major contributors to our long term success. I see Prince-like ability in Thad. I don't think Mcdyess-like ability is beyond Smith. That leaves us needing what? Exactly what we've been tossing around here for a while: PG, SG, PF. When we add top level players at those positions, we know it will raise the level of play for the whole team, bench included. I could see Lou Will becoming our Ginobli(6th man in name only and a major offensive force off the bench). Carney could turn out to be our Eddie House, James Posey, or Michael Finley. At this point, none of us really knows. We can certainly keep them until their rookie contracts are up and evaluate where they are, where we think they can go from there, and what kind of commitment in terms of years and dollars we are willing to make, if any at all. Certainly if a no-brainer major upgrade is available I'm ok with moving one of them. I just don't want to move several of them now before we know what we really have with them.
Posted 04:09 PM, 05/23/2008
bski
testing....just lost a post...do not want to try again until I know it's working
Posted 03:40 PM, 05/23/2008
bski
GREEK: Yes we were both defending Jason Smith. However, my defense extends beyond him to include all of our young core players. I'm defending them because I want to see us built for an extended run like Detroit. In order to do that, we must have a solid group for years. Like I said before, even though they may not reach an all star level of play, a few of them certainly can be major contributors to our cause. I see Prince-like ability in Thad. I don't think Mcdyess-like ability is unattainable for Smith. That leaves what? Exactly what we've been talking about for...it seems like forever: PG, PF, SG. When we add a couple top level talents at those spots, it will raise the level of everyone else's play, bench included. Lou Will could possibly become our Ginobli(6th man in name only and a major offensive force off the bench). Carney may very well become our Eddie House, James Posey, or Michael Finley. None of us really know just yet. That's why I'm advocating to hold onto them a bit longer, give them time to develop, and see if any of this actually comes to pass. When their rookie contracts are up we can evaluate how far they've come, how much farther we think they can go, and what kind of commitment in years and dollars we feel is appropriate, if any at all. Again, if there is a no-brainer upgrade available to us by moving one of them, that's ok with me. I just don't want to move several of them before we see what we can get from them.
Posted 03:36 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
If this would happen then we can just add through the draft from here on out; Alexander hopefully this year and if L.Will. isn!t our future 1 than get that next year. Dean, who is DEEPTHROAT?
Posted 03:04 PM, 05/23/2008
Dean1
Zach Randolph's career FG% is 46.5% on an average of 13.5 shots per game. His % is lower than most "big men" because he takes a decent amount of outside jumpers, equivalent to big men such as Bosh, Ilgasuskus, and Rasheed...all of whom's career FG% is in the 47-48% range. He also doesn't get a lot of dunks either, so the FG % concern is not really an issue. As for the Greek's comment about a young Chris Webber, I wish we had a guy like that here. Say what you want about him when he was older, but the Golden St. / Washington / early Sacramento Webber...I'd take that in a millisecond.
Posted 02:43 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
Greek, the younger C.Webb was one of the best power forwards ever but not the post presence Randolph is.
Posted 02:37 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
On N.B.A..COM they have it, guess its a combination of things like you said. Dean, hope you are right,next to Brand he is the best fit. Any coach will tell you the #1 aspect of defense is rebounding the basketball and he does that very well.
Posted 02:34 PM, 05/23/2008
The Greek
Great article by jasner today, http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20080522_Phil_Jasner__Sixers_should_make_Thaddeus_Young_untouchable.html I love Iggy, but I would take Thad's future over his in a second. I fear that Iggy will never be a good enough shooter for the 2guard slot. BSKI, i think we were writing in defense of Jason Smith at the same time, I couldn't agree more. I want nothing to do with Zach Randolph. Look at his FG%, he reminds me of a younger Christina Webber.
Posted 02:22 PM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
suede: I'm not sure which rating system you are fereeing to. I was merely talking about how many shots players need to create points, the more points created on the least shots is good. There are a bunch of ratings systems going on now. Basically they all add up the positive things players do (made shots, rebounds, steals, blocks, etc.), subtract the bad things (turnovers, missed shots, etc.) and then average those things out on a per minute played basis to equalize. Thats the science, the art in in how they weight the various positive and negative outcomes.
Posted 02:16 PM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
Hahaha, it would be great if Dean and I totally switch our lines about ES! Of course, Dean would have further to walk back on his statements, but hey...
Posted 02:11 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
Morty, not to do with Randolph, just players in general.Ex. Koby is a 31 and Anthony just 16,Redd is 18 and Iggy 11.Anybody know what is the criteria?
Posted 02:09 PM, 05/23/2008
Dean1
I'm telling you something right now from a person that is pretty in the know about the Sixers. They think that Zach Randolph "fits them like a glove" but can't say anything because of tampering issues. The one issue that concerns them is the off-the-court stuff, and they are investigating it thoroughly. If that's the case, then I should give E.S. a little more credit than I do. Also, evidently they have about 20 different decision-tree trade / player acquisition scenarios...in other words, whichever primary target they end up obtaining, then the chips fall in line after that.
Posted 02:07 PM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
In fact, Jason Smith would score 20 points per game if he took 18 shots.
Posted 02:03 PM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
was not referring to any particular rating system. sorry for the typo.
Posted 02:01 PM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
suede: I was referring to a particular rating system, merely to the fact that, on a 36 minutes per game basis, Randolph will take 17 shots to score 19 points. Compare that with Igoudala who will take 14 shots to score 18 points, Amare Stoudemire takes 16 shots to score 26 points and Elton Brand takes 15 to score 20. It means that Randolph is Willie Green-like in that he'll score, but he'll take a ton of shots, a lot of which won't fall, and he doesn't make up for that with FT's. A lot of players in the NBA could score 20 points if they took 17-20 shots.
Posted 01:33 PM, 05/23/2008
CallerNo9
What are the chances that we land Monta Ellis this summer?
Posted 01:00 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
Morty, not sure what the eff.rating entails, maybe you could fill me in but with all the Randolph talk this week I compared the power players in the league and here goes; Nowitzki[31];Ming,Gasol,Garnett[26]; Duncan,Bosh[25];D.West[24];Marion[23];Stoudemire,Odom[21];Horford,Randolph,Okafor[19];Boozer[18]; and A.Jefferson[24], forgot him sorry.N.B.A. GUY ON J.Mac today said Randolph was a "boyscout" under the bright lights of N.York this year and looking at the fact that he was in Portland for 6 years and not traded off every year like it seemes to be thought here are we overstating his negatives.Hugh, I know your opinion but I have heard nothing about on the court issues but that he is not a good defender.By the way, Sam had a 14.5 eff.rating and the 2 Dre!s 11 each.
Posted 12:40 PM, 05/23/2008
seude
Guys, everytime a scorer is mentioned the term good overall player is brought up, right now we have no good overall players.A good overall player has to be able to knock down an open shot consistantly, not just defend.The very good scouting reports on draft express say Redd is an average defender, not poor, but average. Also, don!t you think if we don!t have to work so hard to score it will help us defensively because less effort will be needed down the other end.Every body tends to undervalue putting the ball in the basket, but to make a baseball analogy, a team full of A.Nunez!s won!t win many games without Howard in the lineup.
Posted 11:57 AM, 05/23/2008
hugh
Sixerzguy and bski - I totally agree with you. I do think that Iggy has to improve his shooting if we are going to plan on having him at the 2 for 5 more years. Greek, poor perimter game = no spacing, which means it is harder to score against good defensive teams - especially in the playoffs.
Posted 10:38 AM, 05/23/2008
The Greek
I pray that Sammy Idiot works harder on his offensive moves this summer then our buddy Marc does on his blog......................... HERE IS A LIST OF THINGS THAT PI$$ED ME OFF LAST YEAR................ Willie Green anchored into the starting lineup, Thad never having any offensive plays called for him, Iggys stink faces at the refs and teammates, Sammy hideous offensive moves and herrendous passes to the other team usually late in teh 4th quarter, Jason Smith never getting consistant burn. Xing, If I was an opposing GM I would be calling the sixers trying to get jason smith every single day. His talent is through the roof, all he needs is to add strengh. He has the 2nd? best jumper on the team behind Thad. Wow I just said that, thats pretty pathetic when your 2 best perimeter shooters are your rooks. I remember reading about smith right about this time last season when he went to that basketball combine and tested throught the roof. His times were better better then most of the pg,s at that camp.
Posted 10:32 AM, 05/23/2008
bski
SIXERZGUY: It looks like all of the baseball talk we've been having has colored your thinking. I agree regarding Smith. There has been a lot of talk here about trading many of our young guys. I understand most of the trade talk is about upgrading and not just dumping them but, for crying out loud, let's give them some time to develop. We are talking about Smith's first year in the league. It is not the norm for a guy to play all star level ball as a rookie. Many of our young guys will not reach all star level but that does not mean they are worthless to us. Some will be able to deliver for us in areas of need (3rd or 4th scoring option, defense, rebounding, hustle, bench depth, step in for a stretch to cover for an injured starter, etc...). We mostly agree that the Sixers are 2 years away for truly contending. Let's give these young guys some time and see how they develop before we move them and let another team reap the benefit of their best years.
Posted 09:44 AM, 05/23/2008
sixerzguy
I disagree with any talk wanting to get rid of Jason Smith. Half of the negative stuff being said on here is true, but so what? Just because we get a bunch of scorers doesn't mean their scoring averages will add up and that's how many points we'll score per game, and the same goes for rebounds and assists. Jason can help the other guys get those stats by doing the little things right, stuff that doesn't show up in the box score. Also, it sounds like people are visualizing a take-turns offense: "Elton goes first. On the next trip down, give it to Redd. Then Calderon's up. Don't forget Iggy!" Watch these playoffs, and you'll see - only SOME of the offense is generated by a mega-talent like Kobe, but the rest are, as they say in baseball, "manufactured". Like baseball, most runs are scored not by home runs, but by stringing a bunch of non-home run hits together. This is what successful offenses do, but instead of singles and doubles, you're putting together passes, screens, floor spacing, etc. I would say that Iguodala is J-Roll in this sense - there's lots of ways he can help you win. Iggy doesn't hit home runs very often (crazy scoring games), but he does almost everything else to help you win. Jason's the same, he does a lot of the little things well, as opposed to Sam, who does just two things well. A team needs a balance of “stars”, jack-of-all-trades and specialists. Some statistical support, although the sample size is small: according to 82games.com, in terms of +/-, our best 5-man units both had Jason Smith in them: Miller-Green-Iguodala-Smith-Dalembert, and Williams-Iguodala-Carney-Young-Smith.
Posted 09:33 AM, 05/23/2008
hugh
I find it funny that everyone thinks that if we bring Randolph in, we can change him and he will all of a sudden want to play defense and show effort and then when Redd is suggested - everyone hates him because he is not a good defender. As for Smith, give him some time - he didn't get 10% of the looks he should have gotten last year - we were busy running fast breaks. I would like to get another look at him this year - he is a skill guy at the PF spot - he can develop some strength in the off-season and get used to playing down low. I don't want to trade him for a Wilcox type guy just yet.
Posted 08:51 AM, 05/23/2008
xing
Dean and JKay, I'm in agreement with you about Redd's unwillingness to play defense. I also am unsure why so many are so high on Smith. I think he's probably a backup, but we probably will know halfway through this season whether there's any real promise of his being a backup comes to fruition. He is a 7 footer, whereas Shav, Hill, and co are not. He's probably in the same skill range as some of them. He's had a couple of moments (brief and very sporadic over the past year). He needs to improve his shooting, doesn't create shots for himself, and he's got to be stronger on defense. I'm fine if he's traded and we can somehow pickup a good or good potential starting PF instead.
Posted 08:39 AM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
jkay: Agreed about Redd. Not worth the price for a one dimensional player. Iggy for Redd is even worse. Disagree about Smith - not to say that he will be a starter in the league, per se, but disagree with your take. He actually averaged a very good number of blocks, he has a good basketball IQ, a good potential to run the pick and roll or pick and pop, and picked up plenty of fouls to my eyes. Rebounding is his biggest weakness, of course, but a lot of that is easily correctable. Basically he is not currebtly strong enough. But for a 21 year old rookie, it is to be expected. Let's see how he comes back after this summer before damming him.
Posted 08:39 AM, 05/23/2008
Morty_
jkay: Agreed about Redd. Not worth the price for a one dimensional player. Iggy for Redd is even worse. Disagree about Smith - not to say that he will be a starter in the league, per se, but disagree with your take. He actually averaged a very good number of blocks, he has a good basketball IQ, a good potential to run the pick and roll or pick and pop, and picked up plenty of fouls to my eyes. Rebounding is his biggest weakness, of course, but a lot of that is easily correctable. Basically he is not currebtly strong enough. But for a 21 year old rookie, it is to be expected. Let's see how he comes back after this summer before damming him.
Posted 06:30 AM, 05/23/2008
Dean1
JKay - I'm on board with just about all of your comments. Iggy is a 4 category player...Michael Redd is a 2 category guy with an outrageous contract. He plays zero defense. Ditto your thoughts on Jason Smith...if he could be a part of a trade to get someone of real quality in here to upgrade either the post play or outside shooting, I'd move him in a second. I was extremely unimpressed with him this season and still wonder why many think he'll be a starter in this league. Too slow, not strong enough, deer in headlights look quite often.
Posted 01:56 AM, 05/23/2008
jkay
to correct a misconception here the term shooting guard does not mean you have to be able to jack up 20-25 20footers at will (ask willie green he tried the same thing)just the same way pg dont mean you have the hold the ball 70% of the time (by that qualification iverson was a top notch pg)or pf mean that being 250plus and tall makes you better (ask micheal olowokandi) hugh: i understand we need shooting but addition by subtraction will just change the identity of the team. why are the bucks (talented= redd, villanueva, bogut, simmons, bell, yi, mo williams) so bad? well for one redd is too slow to guard other 2-guards. look at iggy's games against milwaukee, he didnt even have to jack up a three, he just beat redd for easy shots.
Posted 01:24 AM, 05/23/2008
jkay
seude: you and i seem to be on the same page most of the time. ANY kinda talent would be great for this roster. couple of notes; iggy-redd trade straight up is probably not a good idea (i dont think i need to say why) its important that he's still in town when we are making the supposed championship run everyone is talking about, THEN you would really see the value of a guy like iggy and know that you can't easily replace things like that by swapping a height-weight clone. i might step on a few toes here but jason smith (watched 3/4 of all 83 gms) seems to be NOTHING special. pls. refrain from talking about him as the future in conjunction w/ thad. i'd trade him for anything i could get(equivalent of a willie). i feel the athleticism and all but he is horribly soft for a big man. give or take the occasional weak side block he seems to just wait patiently to throw the outlet pass once the basket is made. really his attitude disturbs me. he was a bench guy but he was very frugal w/ fouls like he was ever going to get fouled out. i thot he'd be more aggresive. rebounding was a hopeless too. wanna know why sammmy average career highs in mins? everytime jason stepped out for 5 mins and played mo had to pull him out quickly when he saw what i saw./ down low he looked no better than amundson xcept on significantly smaller players. i guess his upside is what ppl love. shooting plus size but if the 6ers keep shav, i'd say he beats smith out for the bench guy mins. anyday. i say with conviction shav is a lot better and will be better than smith.
Posted 11:10 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
That Sixers team was special and no, not better with Mutombo. I think Sam needs a T.Hill type player next to him[toughness] but until we add scoring from another position[Redd?] that move doesn!t work. Love Turiaf!s attitude and toughness, put him at the 4 and Redd at the 2 next year and draft Lawson or Chalmers and I would be happy.
Posted 11:03 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
The east is adding 2 superstars in the draft, its going to be tougher next year and with L.B. in Charlotte expect them to be better. We may actually take a step back if Toronto and Orlando make the moves that have been talked about [Orlando/Maggette] and[Toronto/whatever they get for Ford].
Posted 11:01 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
The east is adding 2 superstars in the draft, its going to be tougher next year and with L.B. in Charlotte expect them to be better. We may actually take a step back if Toronto and Orlando make the moves that have been talked about [Orlando/Maggette] and[Toronto/whatever they get for Ford].
Posted 10:58 PM, 05/22/2008
bski
SUEDE: I could go for that rotation.*******As much as I hate that Detroit is still playing and we are not, I'm happy for Ratliff. Loved him when we had him. Always wondered how things would have played out if he didn't break his hand in 2001.
Posted 10:41 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
Would like to upgrade using picks and cap room and marginal guys, hate to give up Iggy, he is a big part of our defensive identity. A Redd,Iggy,Thad and Carney rotation would be nice at the 2 and 3.
Posted 10:37 PM, 05/22/2008
bski
SUEDE: I don't think it will matter that much which year we add the star player. If we just get a couple upgrades this year it adds to our core and gives us one more year of development. Then next year the star player can take us to the next level and put us over the top. As long as we don't bring in an Iverson-like ball dominating player where we run a 1-4 clearout offense, I wouldn't anticipate that much disruption.
Posted 10:26 PM, 05/22/2008
hugh
I hate Jefferson - Maggette has done nothing in his career. I like Redd - I think I would do Iggy for Redd if it was on the table - maybe we can send Willie along as well.
Posted 10:15 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
My worry is that by adding the star player in a year or 2 it will be a major step back and adjustment to everybody else and if Redd,Jefferson,Maggette or somebody of that level is gettable now than do it and add the less likely to disrupt talent later.
Posted 10:12 PM, 05/22/2008
hugh
Suede - totally agree - I have watched a lot of the playoffs, and I keep seeing the Lakers and Celts among others - and I think we will never be able to compete with these teams - this is all the more reason to keep the cap room to use in next year's FA rather than bring in a stiff like Randolph and then miss out on a good young player in a year. My biggest dilemma is that I like both Iggy and Thad, but as 2 and 3 - it doesn't work - they need a legit shooter at one of those spots. This is why I might be in favor of Redd for Iggy - I really like Iggy, but I don't know if it will work with the two of them.
Posted 10:08 PM, 05/22/2008
bski
Anybody know how many digits there are in the comment counter for this blog? I hope it goes at least 4 digits because it looks like we are going to crack 1000 posts before we get a new topic.
Posted 10:05 PM, 05/22/2008
bski
SUEDE: That's what I'm talking about. Better to go one or two pieces at a time. See how it comes together, if we're on the right track, then move forward. If we draft our PF we can do a placeholder move like Morty suggests. We have chips(like Miller's expiring contract for example). No need to go all in right now if we can't win the pot. My vote is we need 2 players better than Iggy.*****Do you think Shav can give us what Reggie does? Even if his ankle is 100%, I'm not so sure.
Posted 09:57 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
My concern is can we win by adding 1 player more talented than Iggy or are we going to need 2.The sooner we add that player the sooner we can make our run.If we upgrade at another position than our p.f. doesn!t have to be a star. But Hugh, watching these playoffs we seem so far talent wise from winning it all.
Posted 09:57 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
My concern is can we win by adding 1 player more talented than Iggy or are we going to need 2.The sooner we add that player the sooner we can make our run.If we upgrade at another position than our p.f. doesn!t have to be a star. But Hugh, watching these playoffs we seem so far talent wise from winning it all.
Posted 09:49 PM, 05/22/2008
hugh
We obviously have to add more talent, but we also have to develop the talent that we have - this is done by dumping the ball in to the post to Thad and designing plays for Jason Smith - getting Lou minutes at both guard spots - working with Sam to study the game and work on his offensive skills (or move him) - seeing what Carney has. We also have to be cap conscious - adding players like Vujacic and Speights/White/Love/Alexander will help fill some holes. I also might consider a sign and trade with Iggy for Redd to get some perimeter threats. I also like a Carney for Bellinelli - don't know if GS would be interested. I am not crazy about what FAs are out there in the front-court and I don't really know who is available via trade. What do you think?
Posted 09:27 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
Hugh, Forget Randolph but tell me ,do guys like Vujucic and the player we get at #16 make us any better as far as winning another round in the playoffs. Do you feel our best players are in house already or do we have to add more talent.
Posted 09:16 PM, 05/22/2008
hugh
I think Marc needs to post something new soon - this is getting out of control - we have people calling for Randolph - and he is not nearly at a good price. Please check these links out and then tell me if you still want him. http://youtube.com/watch?v=wcXS_kGVM90 - - - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j1q6osDAEc&NR=1 - - - you guys really disappoint me - I might have to abandon this site and head for reclinergm.com - I can only hope that they are not in favor of such garbage as Zach Randolph. I would like apologies from those of you in favor of bringing this pile of garbage to Philly.
Posted 06:56 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
By the way, I!d do the Webber deal again in a heartbeat, you know why: Sacramento has to pay K.Thomas 15 to 16 mill. over the next 2 seasons.Ha,Ha,Ha!!! Sorry Mr. Petrie.
Posted 06:46 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
bLSKI, if we add a #1 talent this year and jell as a team than a piece can be added each off season to put us where we want to be.It doesn!t have to be a p.f..I would inquire about Redd if Milwaukee drafts Gordon, a good possibility.Offer R.Evans and 10 mill. in cap room to Skiles because Milwaukee could sure use Reggie. Play Iggy at the 3and let Thad come off the bench.Draft a young p.f. and find an undrafted energy guy or Shav possibly to play Reggies role, which should deminish as we improve as a team.
Posted 06:29 PM, 05/22/2008
seude
Guys, its not about Randolph, its about raising our talent level.This summer we are the only game in town.If we wait we may not be able to get a big acquisition.Hugh, Mayo can play, he actually sacraficed individual numbers this year for the good of the team and he can defend.If we add a #1 talent to what we have without affecting our core than we should.Hugh, the reason Randolph was brought up is BECAUSE we could get him for a reasonable price. Hypothetical situation: E.Brand for cap room,this years#1, Utah #1, J.Smith and L.Will. or Randolph for Willie and cap room. It is not a black and white decision. Wilcox is a 7 mill. expiring contract, like A.Miller next year a team will have to overpay to get him.
Posted 05:15 PM, 05/22/2008
sfw
I don't think it's fair to Webber to compare him to Randolph. We're talking Big Dog(Robinson) who put up numbers for teams that didn't win. Now that's a better comparison. CWEBB did play for a winner in his pre-injury/sixer years. I hate to say it but let's be fair.
Posted 03:09 PM, 05/22/2008
Dean1
Did anyone watch the USC-Memphis game in late Nov / early Dec? OJ Mayo SHUT DOWN Derrick Rose. OJ Mayo is a pure shooter, can create his own shot, and is excellent defensively. He's 19 also and probably will need to work on his maturity level like all 19 year olds. Zach Randolph is a 19 and 10 guy every night and is 27. If Mo says he's a good guy and doesn't create any problems in the lockerroom, I have to take Mo at his word. So with all of that said, you wouldn't trade a 33 yr old Andre Miller and a #16 overall pick for those 2 guys and still have $7 mil+ of cap space? All of this, and we don't even have to move Lou, Carney, or Jason which seemed to be everyone's problem with making a big deal (getting rid of young talent). To me, this trade is an absolute no brainer.
Posted 02:33 PM, 05/22/2008
Morty_
Hugh/ bski: Thanks. I don't pretend to know what's going on behind the scenes of the NBA. I could throw any number of trade scenarios out there, and do so sometimes, but they are merely based on speculation. No one here knows the real deal, and if they do they are holding out on the rest of us. The only player we think is possibly available that it would be worth big long term money is Elton Brand, and even he comes with a health risk.
Posted 12:49 PM, 05/22/2008
CallerNo9
xing, re: webber/randolph, Webber had a screwed up knee when he came here. No micro-fracture surgery for Randolph(yet). All he did was shoot jumpers. At least Cheeks knows how to play Randolph, he even went as far as to put Rasheed Wallace at SF so that he got PT. Anyone, has Randolph had any major knee surgeries yet? I remember he was out for a little while, but I forget why. For all we know he's probably pulling a Pau Gasol on the Knicks. Very good option for fantasy bball, btw.
Posted 12:34 PM, 05/22/2008
hugh
Morty, agreed - my post from 8:50 yesterday morning was: What I have been saying is add a Vujacic and Alexander/Love/White this year - next year use Miller's money to sign a PG - trade for some added shooting help - Carney for Bellinelli - give them a future lottery protected pick, if necessary - you will add 2 shooters - a solid low-post guy and be ready to make a splash in the 2009 off-season. You might even be able to acquire a 1st round pick for Miller if you move him at the deadline. To try to make a huge splash this off-season is not very smart, and it would be making a move just to make a move. It reminds me of the year that Eddie Jones was a FA and teams were fawning over him, just because he was one of the best things out there that year - not to say he wasn't good, but he was treated like Kobe that off-season. Don't break the bank for the sake of it. Upgrade, long-term moves, don't get hamstrung.
Posted 12:26 PM, 05/22/2008
bski
MORTY: Couldn't agree more with each of your last 2 posts. It is unlikely we will be able to take care of everything this year and it is probably unwise to try. Patience and keeping our options open is definitely the smart way to proceed.
Posted 12:16 PM, 05/22/2008
Morty_
jkay: That's for the professionals to figure out. There are those players out there, of course. They may not be available at the current moment, but will be in the coming year. That is why I advocate maintaining our financial and roster flexibility until that player comes around, and making placeholder moves until that moment. This is a team that needs several positive moves to become a championship contender, so unless a Celtics-style move becomes available, I advocate for patience and the flexibility to move at the right moment.
Posted 12:11 PM, 05/22/2008
Morty_
KM: I'm a big advocate of leveraging our cap space to get rid of Green and the remaining 3 years of his contract. Green + cap space for Lamar Odom provides cap space for LA to resign Vuaicic and Turiaf, and clear room in their lineup for Bynum's return by playing Gasol at his natural PF position. I think Dean was advocating to trade Miller and our #1 for Randolph and NY's #1 to take Mayo. I prefer to keep Miller and take the 10 mil in cap space for next off season, or be blown away at the trade deadline.
Posted 12:11 PM, 05/22/2008
jkay
wow i'm gonna sound like a broken record here; well noted about randolph ok. but where is the all around guy you are looking for? does he have a name? lets hear it (is it brand? cos that aint happening) draft a young PF to develop? who? leave a name? can the 6ers even get him in their current position? will he be a starter in this league? seems like a lot of questions with no answers.
Posted 11:32 AM, 05/22/2008
K,M
Im not sure that anyone was actually advocating for Randolph or Mayo...I know i wasn't anyway. as bski said, we're just tossing hypotheticals around. In that spirit, if seattle is going to give us Wilcox for willie plus a pick (second round or lower, i'm assuming), that's a no brainer. Willie is addition by subtraction, and we get a cheap PF prospecet without loosing any young talent.
Posted 11:32 AM, 05/22/2008
K,M
Im not sure that anyone was actually advocating for Randolph or Mayo...I know i wasn't anyway. as bski said, we're just tossing hypotheticals around. In that spirit, if seattle is going to give us Wilcox for willie plus a pick (second round or lower, i'm assuming), that's a no brainer. Willie is addition by subtraction, and we get a cheap PF prospecet without loosing any young talent.
Posted 11:18 AM, 05/22/2008
BFrank
Looking at rosters, Seattle needs guards. I think we could get Wilcox for Willie Green and a future pick. That's what I like about Wilcox... as Morty said, he's not going to cost this team a lot to get him. Then draft a young PF to develop and try to pry a young PG, or three-point shooter, away from someone with our cap space... perhaps Ramon Sessions from the Bucks.
Posted 11:14 AM, 05/22/2008
Morty_
hugh and xing: Yep. We need all around players. Just because Randolph gets you certain numbers, doesn't mean he will take you to another level. The Sixers won last year because of defense - they were among the better defensive teams in the league.
Posted 09:45 AM, 05/22/2008
hugh
X-ing - very well put. Side note - last year, C-Webb missed like every other game when he was with us while making $20M for the year - then after we bought him out - he played every game for Detroit for $300K. I know he already had the money from us, but that is an all-time piece of garbage move. I have absolutely NO respect for C-Webb or anything he has ever done - I don't care what he averages in any category. Soft stiff (great oxymoron).
Posted 09:40 AM, 05/22/2008
xing
Well that was the first time in several weeks that my comment was routed for approval!
Posted 09:38 AM, 05/22/2008
xing
I have to agree with the anti-Zach Randolph contingent. REMEMBER THE WEBBER fiasco! If history doesn't teach us, we'll never learn. Webber had better numbers in Sacramento than Randolph (last year), and he had AS GOOD numbers while in his first year here! He still wasn't a help. We need someone that plays on both sides of the ball, that has the energy and willingness to be a TEAM player. We don't need another crybaby that won't follow the direction of the coaches (by that I mean assistants too!). I understand that C-Webb was working alongside Sammy when he was here! That didn't work out too well for anyone! I don't believing in "changing" anyone. When we sign a player, we get the whole package. Garnett was always a hard working big-man, and he still is. C-Webb was always a softee in Sacramento, and he remained the same. Zach never played defense, and he never will.. he just wants to get HIS. We need players in trade or draft that scouts have seen give their all on the court on both sides of the ball in the pro's and/or college.
Posted 09:12 AM, 05/22/2008
hugh
I seriously can't believe that you guys like Randolph that much - I don't care what he averages. I HATE it when people point only to stats - he is the kind of guy that gets GMs and coaches fired. I will also tell you that I wouldn't spend money to go see him play - I will not get a 6-game plan as I was intending on doing. I echo The Greek's sentiments here - we have to do better. It's just like buying a car that is priced low - you have to ask yourself why is it priced so low when it appears to be a good deal? Also, those of you that clamor for OJ Mayo - have you watched him play? What is it about him that tickles your fancy?
Posted 08:04 AM, 05/22/2008
seude
S.F.W., What is that saying;"you get what you pay for". All the playoff teams have numerous players getting big money.Do we have anybody that deserves more than 12 mill., don!t think so. If Randolph doesn!t fit than fine, go get TALENT of any type,position,age,whatever.We can!t sniff more than a playoff series victory in our current state because its not Pop,L.B., Phil or Diantoni running the show for us.We are going through what the Eagles and Phillies went through trying to win with #2 and #3 recievers and pitchers when a #1 puts everybody where they need to be to succeed.Bring in a #1 talent and Iggy,A.Miller and the rest will be in a better position to succeed.
Posted 06:37 AM, 05/22/2008
sfw
Gentlemen, do you remember Ed Sniders rant during the season about not wanting those overpaid attitudes. Don't know if he would signoff on a Randolf trade.
Posted 12:06 AM, 05/22/2008
jkay
seude: very perceptive about randolph. thanks for showing that stats dont tell the whole truth. wilcox probably cannot drain a 15ft jumper. See there 's two kinda big men; those who you give the ball to and leave them alone (come equippped with go-to moves) and those who have to play off of others (e.g. sammy). Thats the kind of player i fear that wilcox might be (forever chained to good pg play). have you seen boston when the big three are off the court- kendrick perkins and leon powe dont look so good anymore huh?? thats just it. i just feel it is a waste to bring in a project like wilcox if he's not going to peak at something great. heck all the 6ers are projects we just need a sure thing. randolph is that with all the bad behavior, plodding and no defense but hopefully we can change that plus he's beside sammy. pure offense + pure defense = very workable.
Posted 10:13 PM, 05/21/2008
ReclinerGM
Guys I see a few people mentioning a new post from Marc to mix up the conversation so I figure I throw it out there that their are new Sixers and Phillies posts on my blog www.reclinergm.com every week. At least until Marc remembers he has a blog we can continue various Sixers talk over there. I know a few Deep Sixer regulars are already over there now. Choice is yours of course.
Posted 07:26 PM, 05/21/2008
seude
Morty, Wilcox is reasonably priced this year but if he plays well he probably asks for 10 per next season.Randolph has a 15 to 18 ft. jumper Morty that is why his percentage is not higher.Hugh, Curry and Randolph don!t fit together plus Lee is itching for more minutes, that is part of the reason Z-BO is available. But he has his warts, but for 19/10 you can overlook those.Something about Sammy; If he is getting paid to just rebound and defend we should be able to bring in a scoring threat at the 4 even if they are not great defensively, let Sam earn his money.
Posted 05:49 PM, 05/21/2008
bski
GREEK: I have no interest in that deal. Suede and I had a discussion about Melo here a few days ago. My take was that we've finally moved beyond Iverson and I don't want another ball dominating Iverson-like player here. He hurts us defensively and he seems to have a lot of personal baggage as well. He's got skills but overall I feel he's way to disruptive an influence and would probably do more harm than good here.
Posted 05:08 PM, 05/21/2008
The Greek
Morty I second you on the need for a 2nd pg, but here is the deal. Rose is gone withe the first 2 picks. And I don't see Westbrook and Augustin making it past the Pacers and the kings at 11 and 12. Augustin would have been perfect too, a pg who can drain from long range. Chad Ford has us taking Speights, which truly excites me. Thats our first need, a strong pf with low post game. I really don't want any part of Zach Randolph, the dude is a black whole who doesn't really move around too well. He doesn't play a lick of defense. Although I do like his rebounding and low post game. We just have to do better then him. The nets are talking jefferson, and parts for Camby and Melo. Why don't we give up Sammy and Iggy, and loose change for them? Any interest?
Posted 05:05 PM, 05/21/2008
K,M
Morty, if we hypothetically did a deal for randolph & swapped pics with NY, i'd love to have OJ mayo with that pick. 6'5" point for miller to train for a year...
Posted 03:22 PM, 05/21/2008
bski
DEAN: You are fired up today, man. Relax. Let me paraphrase that ESPN "NFL Countdown" studio show ad from a few years back: "There are no dumb ideas, just dumb people who have ideas." We're all just tossing scenarios around here. It's supposed to be fun.
Posted 03:22 PM, 05/21/2008
bski
DEAN: You are fired up today, man. Relax. Let me paraphrase that ESPN "NFL Countdown" studio show ad from a few years back: "There are no dumb ideas, just dumb people who have ideas." We're all just tossing scenarios around here. It's supposed to be fun.
Posted 02:58 PM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
Let me get this straight Hugh, you wouldn't trade Andre Miller and our #1 to the Knicks for Randolph and their #1. It accomplishes the Knicks goal of unloading salary / gaining future cap flexibility; on the other hand, it gives us a 19 and 10 guy who is 27 years old AND gives us the #6 pick in the draft, who could very easily turn into OJ Mayo. AND, we'd still have $6M or so under the cap and could still do a sign and trade for a premier PG of the future. Or, you could draft your PG of the future at #6 and then use the cap space to get your stud SG / SF in a sign and trade. You wouldn't do that? Instead, you'd sit at 16, draft DJ White out of the ludicrously bad Big 10, and keep the status quo?
Posted 02:24 PM, 05/21/2008
hugh
They are trying to unload Randolph by trading their 6 pick - he must be a stud if a team is willing to trade the number 6 overall pick in order to move him (sarcasm fully intended). Stay put and take DJ - he will be a player - although I like Alexander a lot if he is there at 16.
Posted 01:58 PM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
KM: Wait, I thought NY using the #6 pick as incentive to take Randolph off their hands was crazy talk? If the Sixers were to do a deal like that, who would you want them to target at #6?
Posted 01:51 PM, 05/21/2008
K,M
here's a link to the article if anyone is interested: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/sports/basketball/21draft.html "The Knicks have not posted a winning record in seven years, and the roster needs work. Although securing one of the top two picks would have accelerated the rebuilding process, D’Antoni said he was not placing too much emphasis on the draft. “You can mess up,” he said. “The 1 pick could be a bust.” ” Among Walsh’s primary goals is to be under the salary cap by 2010. He could use the player he selects as incentive for a team to take one of the Knicks’ big contracts, like Zach Randolph’s."
Posted 01:44 PM, 05/21/2008
K,M
There was an article in the NYT today about how DAntoni says he is not emphasizing the draft and may in fact use their pick as an enticement to get someone to take randolph's salary. I've read two articles on this so far, and DAntoni has been consistent in sayin he's building for 2010, so this approach would make sense. I think he definitely does not want to spend big on anyone (like, say, a high round draft pick) this year. If Mo truly said that he's OK with Randolph, then that really answers any character questions anyone would have - after all, mo has coached him before. Bottom line is the guy produces, so it's an option i'd consider. ************* Morty, i dont think the placeholder approach is a bad idea either, but only if we draft a DJ white type to bring along in the meantime.
Posted 01:33 PM, 05/21/2008
bski
MORTY: We are of the same opinion. With all the coaching changes---(Chicago, Charlotte, NY, Memphis, Miami, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and whoever else I am forgetting at the moment)---you've got to figure there is going to be a decent amount of player turnover. Each new coach is going to change his roster to suit his style. There have got to be many possible deals out there as you say.
Posted 01:22 PM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
bski: There is something to that. Of ocurse, I wnat the best of both worlds. If brand is truly healthy and recovered form his injury, than he is that guy who offer both offense and defense. Wilcox's contract expires after next year, so the team would not be committed long term. It's the same reason I would be interested in Lamar Odom. To take on a long term, big money contract, I think that player should either be the total package, or a total steal like the trade for Randolph I described above - a true salary dump or something like that. Remember what LA traded to Memphis for Gasol? Those deals are out there if the timing is right, and you are not tied down with long term contracts to players teams don't want.
Posted 01:17 PM, 05/21/2008
AaronMcKie4MVP
Dean: Zach Randolph is lazy and he is not a winner. you need to do a better job with your scouting. guys like you pay big money to the likes of CWebb, Big Dog, Marbury, Vince Carter, and Richard Jefferson. we dont want any of this crap on our team.
Posted 01:13 PM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
Dean: Hey, I'm not the GM. I'm just some guy commenting on a blog. Remember that - your blood pressure will thank you.
Posted 12:55 PM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
You would think about it Morty?? So, NYK give up a proven all-star and a top 6 or 7 PF in the league plus the #6 pick in the draft for Willie Green and the #16 pick in the draft. Yeah, that'll happen. Just like Kobe and LeBron will be our 2 and 3 next year.
Posted 12:33 PM, 05/21/2008
bski
MORTY: If the major concern with Wilcox is his defense, would he be ok alongside Sammy? We could have a big man rotation like the Cavs(Wallace/Ilgauskas and Smith/Varejao) with one offensive and one defensive player in each pair.(Dalembert/Wilcox and Evans/Smith) I'm not saying they would be two top notch combos, but would that be an acceptable situation?
Posted 12:20 PM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
hugh: Exactly. However, if NYC wants to take Green and our #1 for Randolph and their #1 I would think hard about that. Randolph's biggest sin, in my eyes. is that despite playing the PF position and taking shots closer to the basket, he is a volume scorer - he doesn't shoot a high percentage. He needs 17 shots to get his 19 points per 36 minutes. Contrast that with Wilcox who scores 17 points on only 13 shots per 36 minutes.
Posted 12:18 PM, 05/21/2008
The Greek
Dean being from North Jersey and watching Channing Frye play for the knicks I have to disagree with you Sir about him being better then Jason Smith. Frye is one of the softest PF's in the league. Also he is one of the weekest PF's in the league. Our boy Jason hasn't proven himself to be Reggie Evans tough as of yet, but you could see that in the tail end of the last season he started to become more aggresive down low.
Posted 12:10 PM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
Recliner: that is my biggest concern about Wilcox as well. He is average, at best, defensively. Randolph is slightly less efficient, offensively, and slightly worse defensively, and a lot more expensive, thus my preference for Wilcox. ** Dean: if I'm guessing, which is what you are doing as well, I would say Randolph is more easily obtainable than Brand. But it's all speculation and reading internet rumors. Now, the interview with ES is actual evidence that he is not that interested in Randolph But there is less than zero evidence about what ES is thinking about Brand, and what the Clippers are thinking, and what Brand is thinking. We all get it that you don't like ES. That's fine, everyone has an opinion, but stick to the facts whenever possible, before going off on rants.
Posted 11:46 AM, 05/21/2008
hugh
Dean, Big deal - if he is such a great player, why is he available to a division rival? I am going to guess that his attitude and approach to the game have something to do with it.
Posted 11:20 AM, 05/21/2008
gba
MARC, WE NEED ANOTHER ARTICLE FROM YOU TO WIPE THE SLANT CLEAN AND STIMULATE SOME DIFFERENT DISCUSSION ON THIS BLOG.
Posted 11:14 AM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
Hugh - That "selfish malcontent" averages 19 and 10 every single night. If Mo likes him AND can deal with him, why wouldn't you want to bring that kind of talent into a situation like this? The Sixers' situation will be, by far, the best situation that Zach Randolph has ever been in as an NBA basketball player. Unless he's a complete piece of garbage (and Mo doesn't seem to think he is), talented guys like that usually respond.
Posted 11:11 AM, 05/21/2008
hugh
Suede, I don't know what your obsession is with Randolph - he is a selfish malcontent - why are you so eager to bring him here - do you really think he is a star? He looked so out of shape and disinterested in basketball last time I saw him play.
Posted 11:06 AM, 05/21/2008
ReclinerGM
I definitely think Wilcox can be a starting power forward at 15ppg and 8 or so boards. My concern is more with his defense. Not sure he is all that strong in that area.*****www.reclinergm.com*****
Posted 11:02 AM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
Would you think that Zach Randolph and NYK's #6 pick would be available for the right price?
Posted 11:01 AM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
Morty - Do you not think that Elton Brand is available for the right price in a sign and trade?
Posted 10:43 AM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
Dean: Now that is some actual calm reasoned analysis. The problem is, like you say, he hasn't yet had the opportunity to do some real deals. Come the draft and free agency, we will see what he is made of. In the meantime, statements like "Elton Brand is clearly available, and we're not interested" don't have a connection to reality.
Posted 10:37 AM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
jkay: Sure. 17 points on 13 shots and 9 rebounds per 36 minutes. Is he a star? No. He's also only 25, and his contract expires after the coming season. I would trade Utah's pick for him in a heartbeat. If he doesn't work out, no harm done longterm, unlike the majority of the Billy King era acquisitions.
Posted 10:35 AM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
I think the problem here is with the way this organization is set up. Having the President also be the GM is an inherent conflict of interest. Stefanski's dual mandate (through no fault of his own) as President AND General Manager is to (1) increase revenues and the bottom line and (2) to build a championship caliber basketball team. Well, putting butts in the seats doesn't always translate to winning...see Allen Iverson 2003 to 2006. With Comcast's history of putting the "bottom line" first, excuse my obvious skepticism if I don't believe that the brass (including Stefanski) is putting "winning" as it's main priority. That's why I continually question this "run with us" philosophy - it has never worked in the NBA. So why are we, as an organization going down that path? It doesn't make any sense from a historical perspective. Plus, it makes me even more skeptical when I see guys that are clearly available like Elton Brand and Zach Randolph, yet we don't have the slightest bit of interest in them?? Maybe Ed's blowing smoke here, and if he is, I'll eat my words and praise him to no end for duping me. However, I generally can read people pretty well, and after meeting him a couple of times and watching / listening to him on TV / radio, I see a good businessman who landed a phenomenal opportunity based on his relationships with guys like Peter Luko and the Phila. college hoop community. That's great and all...however, it doesn't qualify him to build a championship caliber NBA team.
Posted 10:03 AM, 05/21/2008
jkay
seude: good point about ed, maybe its his style. ever notice how he seems to have gone out of his way to talk to the media? isn't that kinda strange? he even did an interview for the guy that controls this blog (depressedfan.com i think) back during the korver trade time. interesting this guy's style is. very interesting. wonder what all this means. good publicity or tactics? morty: one question if i may pls: can chris wilcox be a starting PF(decent 15ppg)?
Posted 10:01 AM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
sixerzguy: Thanks for the link. I just listened, and ES refused to comment on Wilcox, and Randolph, though one does get the impression that he's not gunning for Randolph.
Posted 09:45 AM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
suede: Wilcox continues to intrigue as, like you say, he is still young and perhaps has some improvement left in him. The price should be relatively low, and the financial commitment is light, in case he does not work out. By the way, it's not Randolph's "character" that concerns me.
Posted 09:43 AM, 05/21/2008
Morty_
Dean: I can't believe you have never been a GM in the NBA. Especially with all the calm reasoned analysis you present. ES has said he wants a back to the basket PF. I have not listened to the podcast yet, and neither have you. Perhaps he simply thinks that Randolph, while yes, being a back to the basket PF, is not the right one for our team, and that he prefers not to take on the financial burden for a player is is not the right fit. Remember, just a little over a month until the draft and the start of free agency. At that point speculation ends, and results begin to be seen. Let's wait until then before blowing a gasket, no?
Posted 07:50 AM, 05/21/2008
seude
J.Kay, don!t think Wilcox has hit his ceiling yet and his size and athletism are both intriging but a sure thing he is not.Hugh and I disagree on the need for a tall 4. If we could deal Reggie, add Wilcox and D.J.White I would look at it as a major upgrade but don!t want 2 6!8" guys.If E.S. is going to go younger and less proven then move A.Miller on draft night for a young,athletic point[Westbrook,Lawson,Augustine] and lets move on.Maybe his mixed signals are a smoke screen because it is our first time seeing how he handles things, with B.King you never heard anything publicly.
Posted 06:39 AM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
From what Sixerezguy said above, it seems like he totally dismissed the possibility.
Posted 01:06 AM, 05/21/2008
jkay
dean1: calm your fury meen! from what i heard he did not completely dismiss him, he just did not want to comment further on the rumor maybe cos it gives NY too much leverage or he just doesnt want him I dunno. Look he cant be that dumb. Ideally our need is back-to-the-basket low banger (230-245) athletic and great outside shot (not to mention good rebounding and defense). last time i checked there were few ppl that fit that profile (i think a duncan guy from san antonio was mentioned) I dunno what ed is holding out for but if its a miracle i dont see it. can anyone do me a fvor and name a guy available via trade or whatever that fits that profile (and dont give me any wilcoxs cos we need a sure thing) if someone can come up with one then we officially have hope ppl. if not i'd start jumpin on the zach randolph bandwagon if i were you.
Posted 12:22 AM, 05/21/2008
Dean1
Some wonder why I blast Stefanski so early in his tenure? This is why - he's dismissing Zach Randolph (a proven 20 and 10 guy in this league...there's not many of them) because he doesn't "fit our running style." Well, if you want to go that route, then just about all back to the basket scorers don't "fit our running style" because they're mostly larger guys who make a living dominating the paint. Why even bother with a PF that can score in the paint? I can't believe I pay for season tickets with an individual like this running our Sixers. A running style DOES NOT WORK IN THE PLAYOFFS, Eddie. As has been proven over the last 60 friggin' years, you need to have a 1/2 court offense to win in the NBA playoffs. Does this not register?? First, he gets nothing in return for Korver after evaluating him a whole 12 days before unloading him for a bag of basketballs. Now, he's been to Europe twice for extended periods of time evaluating the great talent over there so he can find us the next Nened Kristic or Bostjan Nachbar...they've been massive difference makers for the Nets. Finally, Zach Randolph's 20 and 10 won't "fit our running style." What a jerk.
Posted 12:04 AM, 05/21/2008
jkay
sixerzguy: listened to the podcast, now i'm really interested to see who the future p.f. is gonna be. if not randolph, then who else? to me he has the least question marks out of all candidates; brand? wont opt out, wants 4plus yrs + max money = huge gamble, o'neal - bad knees, max money, j.smith- needs a fortune to leave atlanta, no back-to-basket game, okafor-not a scorer, needs max money too, wilcox- good player, will he be great? if he can take huge leaps. HUGE IF c.frye-ditto marion-too small, max money. do u sense a pattern here? what are the odds they get a stud in next yrs draft? randolph seemed like the only sure thing talent-wise anyways. i really wanna see this. its gotta either magic or luck. i'll hold onto my horseshoes.
Posted 11:07 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
Sixerzguy,thanks.I hope he gets a team in top ten to bite on a deal.
Posted 10:10 PM, 05/20/2008
sixerzguy
suede, that's the thing - ES hints that the Sixers aren't gonna try and get Randolph, but he does say we need a low-post scorer... ES hints at taking a point guard with #16, but there are several teams ahead of the Sixers that need PG's too, which sounds like he's not expecting Westbrook and Augustin to be there... A key statement: if they think that there's still someone left at 16 who could be a superstar, they'll take him, but if not they'll draft based on need... Miller is a priority, just not #1. Iggy and LouWill come first. Miller's situation won't be neglected, and that he'll eventually get around to talking to his agent.
Posted 09:53 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
Sixerzguy, missed interview, guess Brand is outta the picture also? Please fill me in.
Posted 09:52 PM, 05/20/2008
sixerzguy
suede, Stefansky could just be blowing smoke, but I don't know how else you could interpret what he said in that interview as anything but: the Sixers aren't getting Randolph.
Posted 09:43 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
Sixerzguy, don!t need 5 greyhounds, can!t be a one trick pony or we will never win. A low post player is needed. Randolph is an athlete and can run. Knicks can!t move Curry so they have their low post guy, that!s why Randolph may be available.
Posted 09:30 PM, 05/20/2008
sixerzguy
suede, listen to that podcast - Stefansky basically said that we're a running team, like the Knicks, and that Randolph wouldn't fit, even though Mo likes him.
Posted 09:21 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
Diantoni wants to run? J.Smith,Carney,10 mill. in cap space and #16 pick for Z.Randolph and #6 pick[Mayo,Gordon or Westbrook]. Finally, 2 stars.
Posted 09:02 PM, 05/20/2008
sixerzguy
Stefansky was on ESPN950 talking Sixers, said the team has enough swingmen - will draft point or frontcourt guy in draft? http://sr950.com/Audio/Podcasts/tabid/53/Default.aspx
Posted 08:52 PM, 05/20/2008
sixerzguy
Just read some Bulls blogs - most Bulls fans seem to want Rose.
Posted 08:50 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
#1 and #2[Rose/Beasley]; 3]Bayless;4]Lopez;5]A.Randolph 6]Galinari 7] Mayo 8]K.Love 9]Sixers???
Posted 08:46 PM, 05/20/2008
sixerzguy
I hit up the trade machine: Sammy + Willie for Larry Hughes and Ty Thomas. Sammy and Willie's contracts go on for 3 more seasons, we'd only have Hughes for 2.
Posted 08:40 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
chic-D.Rose or Beasley; let the dealing begin!!
Posted 08:32 PM, 05/20/2008
sixerzguy
Bulls get #1, how do we get Tyrus Thomas?
Posted 08:18 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
K.M., looking at past lottery picks, Thad, Marv.Williams two of the most recent, they had a minimum inpact in their freshman years, it is a major jump from high school.What Gordon accomplished was pretty impressive.Most of these players need more time in college, definitely agree on that point.
Posted 07:34 PM, 05/20/2008
seude
Hugh, D.Davis was a 6!11" shotblocker that played 30 plus minutes a night for good teams. Reggie might have blocked 1 shot last year and doesn!t play 5 min. for those Indiana teams. We can!t add role players to a ream full of roleplayers. Iggy is the third or fourth best player on these playoff teams and he is probably our best player.D.J.White is a R.Evans, Millsap type player, not a starter on a championship team. Morty, Randolph is an athlete that can play at any pace. We have to get better, now that we won!t be in the lottery for a while.Randolph would give us a star, something we don!t have now. We need talent, having a team of good guys only gets you so far.
Posted 04:59 PM, 05/20/2008
Morty_
hugh: This team did not "run and gun." They are certainly not a good half court team and do want to fast break, but to be precise, run and gun is it's own form of 1/2 court offense. Shoot in "7 seconds or less" a la Phoenix - that is run and gun. The Sixers ran when they had openings, and ran when they had a crack, but they did not play run and gun like Phoenix, Denver, GS, etc. I think the difference is that the Sixers still played D, wheras those run and gun teams are willing to let their D lapse in favor of pumping up the tempo. Something to think about as we see a "fast break" backlash
Posted 04:53 PM, 05/20/2008
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Posted 04:51 PM, 05/20/2008
K,M
Dean, if i HAD to choose one scenario, it would be option 1. No way in hell i'd want randolph with no Andre Miller around to keep some stability. Having said that, Im not in love with either scenario. No time to really get into details right now, lets just say we agree on objectives but disagree on the way to achieve them for now. ***** HipHop, that was my point also. ******* Morty, lets say im not jumping at the idea of randolph, but if NY is just trying to dump him for bag of balls im going to at least listen. The guy does produce, after all. Bottom line is I'm really not set in stone on anything yet, feel like there's a number of different ways we could go this summer that would be solid improvements. If NY is really tring to deal this years #1 pick as that article speculates(which i have to say i found a little odd), i'd probably be more interested in the pick than randolph, since there's a decent chance their pick gets you Lopez or Love.
Posted 04:51 PM, 05/20/2008
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Posted 04:44 PM, 05/20/2008
hugh
Hiphop - The criticism of Mo (for me at least) stems from the beginning of his tenure here. He never ran any plays for anyone and we have not been successful since he has been here - if you call this season a success - we define success differently. When you have a young team, you need to develop them - running is fine and it is good to run slower teams to get easy buckets. However, the playoffs don't work that way - never have. The other problem is that, as an organization, the sixers have to try to create excitement and sell tickets - so I can see the value in trying to create a young and exciting team. My problem with that is that I truly think that the basketball purists will be more inclined to tune in and buy tickets when there is an authentic team down there. It is not going to impress these fans when they run and gun and play out of control, sloppy basketball. These fans will appreciate and enjoy a team who can execute in the half-court and play good defense. Watching Sam make mental mistakes and the rest of the team clang shots off the back of the rim while trying to operate in the half-court against Detroit, Boston or Orlando for the next few years does not make me want to drive to South Philly to see it in person.
Posted 04:11 PM, 05/20/2008
sfw
I guess Mo is the X factor. He coached him. He should know. He does rebound. Could he be added without giving up one of our major players? If not, I wouldn't touch him if we had to swap Iggy, or A. Miller or Thad or Lou or Sammy and Reggie could help push him. He'd actually be a good compliment to Sammy.
Posted 04:04 PM, 05/20/2008
hiphopscholar
I love how so many fans are criticizing Mo and Ed for having the fast break be there most effective form of offense. Is it me, or did we all forget that the 76ers made the playoffs using the run-and-gun style? Sure, you'd like for the 76ers to be able to run a half-court offense the way the Spurs, Pistons, and Celtics do. Your team needs the personnel pieces to do that. The 76ers had/have major deficiencies, which were not overlooked. They simply played to their strength. We all know the 76ers are ineffective in the half-court with the current roster, and we also know that they will need position upgrades to become a more effective offensive team, but what we also know is that they can run with any team in the NBA. Last time I checked, you need to be able to do that as well as run the half-court. Let's give them a chance, people!!
Posted 03:54 PM, 05/20/2008
Morty_
If we want to be an athletic team that defends, why would we want Randolph? Agreed that he was in a bad situation in NYC, and Portland before that, so I'm willing to give him a pass on character issues, but what about his game fits with the team we currently have, or the team we want to become? To me, he falls into the category of players mentioned above - Coleman, Robinson, Van Horn, etc.
Posted 02:04 PM, 05/20/2008
Dean1
KM - If you had to take the following, which one would you choose? Brand, Mike Miller, and Lowry for a total of Andre Miller, Lou Williams, Jason Smith, Rodney Carney and two #1s (ours 2009, Utah's) OR Randolph, Mike Miller, and Lowry for a total of Andre Miller, Jason Smith, Rodney Carney and two #1s mentioned above? Basically, the same deal except you get to keep Lou Williams in exchange for substituting Randolph for Elton Brand.
Posted 01:33 PM, 05/20/2008
BFrank
Maybe Marc doesn't know how to use the new format in order to write in his blog???
Posted 01:16 PM, 05/20/2008
K,M
OK, that is fair. that has something to do with it also. my point was really that I think you pile on too much on Ed - be fair to him, he was just playing with the hand he was dealt. If he screws up the offseason, i'll join you in trashing him. *********** By the way, article in NYT talking about how the knicks may want to trade their number one & dump randolph so the can accumulate future picks and cap space. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/20/sports/basketball/20draft.html. Agree that Randolph has never been in a good situation, but didn't him and mo have some issues personally? the kid does produce, but it'd be a big risk...
Posted 12:42 PM, 05/20/2008
Dean1
Be fair KM...that's what happens when you're forced by Comcast to keep Allen Iverson because he sells tix / merchandise rather than rebuild the team. The Sixers never had a legit shot at rebuilding under BK because he was forced to keep that ball-hogging, non-practicing, self-centered "AND 1" highlight reel on this team for 3 years too long. BK had to keep AI happy by trading for guys like Derrick Coleman, the Big Hog, Van Horn, and C-Webb. So, since they won the obligatory 45 games every year after 2001, BK was never in a spot to get an impact player in the draft. The one year AI did completely blow up (Randy Ayers, Chris Ford), BK did a great job getting Iguodala at #9. Otherwise, we never even had a top 15 pick.
Posted 12:37 PM, 05/20/2008
sfw
Dean, love your statement............................................ Isiah Thomas is a complete moron as a GM / coach. He's butchered 3 organizations in less than 12 years - he makes John Nash look like Jerry Colangelo. ...................................................................... Although, Nash has done a good job postgame. I think compared to Alvin Williams though anyone would do better.... Let's not get into the Mix/Salmi debate............
Posted 12:29 PM, 05/20/2008
K,M
On the running style, thats what we did because that's what we could do. When your roster consists of so many raw swing players and no scoring big men, and the one thing you are is athletic, that's your best bet for a playing style. BK is to thank for the state of the roster. getting those kids to run a little was just a way of building some confidence and making the best of a bad situation. Ed has said consistently from day one that a scoring big man is the first priority in the offseason, and therefore would seem to agree with the idea that pure fastbreaking isn't the way to go.
Posted 12:25 PM, 05/20/2008
Dean1
Randolph is intriguing. He's a 19 and 10 guy every single night. How many guaranteed guys like that are in the league? There's two ways to look at it I guess...one, he is a complete disruption. Two...he grew up in a Portland environment with complete knuckleheads like Rasheed, Damon Stoudamire, and the King of Bad Attitudes, Scottie Pippen. Then, he goes to the Knicks last year, which was a circus. He could thrive in a positive environment like this one...he's never been in a situation like this...sometimes guys respond to that.
Posted 12:13 PM, 05/20/2008
jjg
Dean1, Interesting mix you drew up. Sixers do need snipers pronto, not potential snipers (figments of imagined individual summer development). M. Miller & Randolph meet that need - the bucket vacuum. (I would even consider Redd for that sole reason.) Lowry's a plus player. Your proposal would be more appealing if said shooters were final pieces to a puzzle. Randolph apparently is a personnel/chemistry gamble, one you might not want to take if you're not close to championship form or don't have a strong system intact. Overall though, the collection would be better, more formidable than status quo imo. *** sfw, Love would be a very nice start! The kid knows how to play. Has the big stage juice like his Uncle Mike.
Posted 11:47 AM, 05/20/2008
hugh
Dean - agreed on Mo - running to keep his job is probably correct. At the same time, he has been doing that since he got the job. He never ran plays with Iverson - ever. As a coach, you have to design plays for guys like Thad/Jason - these are guys who can score if given the opportunity. Work the plays out in practice and then implement them into the games. He has been extended now - no more reason to try to repeat last year, because it will not get him another contract - he has to bring something else to the table.
Posted 11:43 AM, 05/20/2008
jjg
Hugh, See some similarity in Evans/Davis but Dale didn't need an extended leash to be effective defensively; he was more conventional, but just as nasty inside, if not more. *** I'm not a fan of Mo as head coach either; too much helter-skelter play and sideline fraternizing.
Posted 11:00 AM, 05/20/2008
Dean1
Hugh...it isn't Mo that's running the break. It's Mo under Ed's Stefanski's directive. This is why I don't like the guy one bit. Unless he's the next Dr. Naismith of NBA basketball, his "run and run some more" plan is going to fail miserably unless he incorporates the "running philosophy" with a traditional 1/2 court style of play. But make no mistake...Mo runs to keep his job.
Posted 10:58 AM, 05/20/2008
Dean1
JJG - You're right on the money. Has anyone watched these playoffs, or for that matter, the playoffs over the last 30 years? When's the last run and gun team that won a championship, let alone made a championship? The Sixers need a top low-post presence and a top outside threat....if the Knicks are willing to deal Randolph...it's an intersting proposition. Clearly, he's had some issues in the past...however, that said, anything that happened in NY this season, I completely write off for any player. Isiah Thomas is a complete moron as a GM / coach. He's butchered 3 organizations in less than 12 years - he makes John Nash look like Jerry Colangelo. But, Randolph has definitely had some problems, even in Portland. He's about $2M cheaper than Elton Brand and is locked up for the next 3 seasons at that rate. Would you move Andre Miller to NY for Zach Randolph? Then, we could probably finagle Mike Miller and Kyle Lowry out of Memphis for a deal that didn't include Lou Williams...maybe Jason Smith, Rodney Carney, our 2009 #1 and even Utah's #1, if necessary?? Then, the depth chart would look like: SF Mike Miller (Thad Young) PF Z. Randolph (Reggie Evans, Thad Young) C S. Dalemebert (this year's draft choice) SG A. Iguodala (Lou, M. Miller) PG Kyle Lowry (Lou...or vice versa, whoever wins out) Willie Green could be kept for insurance purposes, and all of this could be done under the cap. That's a stud team with the right mix of youth and veterans that can play either helter skelter or 1/2 court. Interesting proposal...could leave you with a quality, deep team for a # of years...
Posted 10:49 AM, 05/20/2008
K,M
Suede, re: eric gordon, agree that the points per game were impressive, but my concern is he takes way too many shots to get there, and too many bad shots in general. a negative assist/to ratio is a big no-no for me also. The kid definitely has skills and potential, but the games i saw him play really made me feel like he should stay in school for another year or two. just undisciplined. Maybe a domineering NBA coach could teach him, but i worry that with Mo's soft style he'd just turn into another gunner. All things considered, if he's available when we pick its maybe worth a shot, but if we're talking about moving up i'd rather do it for a big guy. Re DJ, im fine with him if he's 6'8". 6'9" would be great, but he's got a wide body (much thicker than some of the slightly taller players ranked ahead of him) and uses it well. And hey, elton brand is only 6'8"...just thought i'd throw that out there.
Posted 10:37 AM, 05/20/2008
hugh
JJG - couldn't agree more about the pace being dictated by the skill level of the team. Although, I think Reggie Evans is a Dale Davis type already. No half-court game means no success in playoffs - as has been demonstrated over the years time and time again. This is why I am not a fan of Mo as a head coach - he does not run half-court plays - it is all about running the break with him - I don't care if we lose every game - I want to see designed plays this year - not sloppy forced running game that results in turnovers and charges. I am not entertained by that.
Posted 10:27 AM, 05/20/2008
sfw
Jumpin, Well. Kevin Love could be a start..............
Posted 09:27 AM, 05/20/2008
jjg
Sixers don't need any more skidding roadrunners. They need brawny pile drivers (i.e., Maurice Lucas, Charles Oakley, Dale Davis) and shooting surgeons (i.e., Jim McMillan, Glen Rice, Robert Horry). Extending the court and accelerating the pace is one thing; mastering half-court situations (basketball's essence) is quite another. Principles of ball control, verticality and shooting are keys to success. I'm tired of 78 rpm basketball, borne from a basis of weakness in fundamentals. Sixers, as constituted, are mostly horizontal, intermittent and entertaining - like a hurricane; and inevitable playoff detritus. Of course finding the sort of players mentioned is another matter, and no small task in today's market.
Posted 09:27 AM, 05/20/2008
bski
HUGH: agreed
Posted 09:25 AM, 05/20/2008
hugh
Randolph is one player I want no parts of - I hate Isaiah, but when Randolph completely blew him off during that game - I lost all respect for him. I don't want him near this team - besides he is out of shape and would not fit this team on many other levels.
Posted 08:57 AM, 05/20/2008
sfw
Hugh, agreed. Don't want to completely change the makeup of this team. Vescey today says cheeks respected ZRandolph and would have him on his team? Interesting....... He makes a lot of money long term and has some questions regarding character & Defense but would probably come cheap as far as personnel goes. Just have to comeup with 13M in salary. Any thoughts? Vescey could just be blowing smoke.......
Posted 08:50 AM, 05/20/2008
hugh
What I have been saying is add a Vujacic and Alexander/Love/White this year - next year use Miller's money to sign a PG - trade for shome added shooting help - Carney for Bellinelli - give them a future lottery protected pick, if necessary - you will add 2 shooters - a solid low-post guy and be ready to make a splash in the 2009 off-season. You might even be able to acquire a 1st round pick for Miller if you move him at the deadline. To try to make a huge splash this off-season is not very smart, and it would be making a move just to make a move. It reminds me of the year that Eddie Jones was a FA and teams were fawning over him, just because he was one of the best things out there that year - not to say he wasn't good, but he was treated like Kobe that off-season. Don't break the bank for the sake of it. Upgrade, long-term moves, don't get hamstrung.
Posted 08:28 AM, 05/20/2008
bski
SUEDE: No, just a PF change will not get it done for us. We need BOTH a PF-low post presence AND at least one shot maker to really go anywhere. I would love to be able to get both for this season. If not, we get the best we can in one area and address the other area at the trade deadline or after next season.
Posted 08:12 AM, 05/20/2008
seude
Derrick, felt same way about Fry, watched him this year and Portland had him down on the block and he looked stronger than before; not saying he is t5he answer but at 6!11" and 245 lbs. and if he is willing to play on the low block and he is reasonably priced he could be part of a p.f. rotation.
Posted 08:03 AM, 05/20/2008
derrickwh
Channing Frye is not a good rebounder. He has no low-post game whatsoever and he's not a shotblocker. Basically, he's pretty soft. He is not an upgrade at all for us.
Posted 12:53 AM, 05/20/2008
Dean1
Greek - Channing Frye is better than Jason Smith. This was his 3rd year in the league...his first two were spent in that disaster area known as the NY Knicks (I think he was all-rookie in 2005-06), and this year, he played behind LaMarcus Aldrige in Portland. He needs a good situation...Jason Smith, on the other hand, has a way lower ceiling than Channing Frye because, quite frankly, he's just not as talented. Jason Smith can be a serviceable NBA player and a spot starter in certain situations down the road. Channing Frye has the TALENT (not saying he will) to make an all-star team over the course of his career.
Posted 12:53 AM, 05/20/2008
Dean1
Greek - Channing Frye is better than Jason Smith. This was his 3rd year in the league...his first two were spent in that disaster area known as the NY Knicks (I think he was all-rookie in 2005-06), and this year, he played behind LaMarcus Aldrige in Portland. He needs a good situation...Jason Smith, on the other hand, has a way lower ceiling than Channing Frye because, quite frankly, he's just not as talented. Jason Smith can be a serviceable NBA player and a spot starter in certain situations down the road. Channing Frye has the TALENT (not saying he will) to make an all-star team over the course of his career.
Posted 11:51 PM, 05/19/2008
seude
Agree E.Gordon disappointed in 2nd half of the year but final numbers; 20 ppg., 43% f.g., 34 3pt.%, 83 %f.t. as a 19 year old freshman on a top team from a good conference tells me I definitely would move up to acquire him if available after #8 pick.Unlike Iggy and Thad, 2 very good all round players, Gordon is a true score, something this team needs to move forward.
Posted 11:29 PM, 05/19/2008
seude
Continuing the playoff watching one thing is very clear, despite the raised playoff intensity on defense, all these teams have shotmakers. If we go into next year with just a p.f. change, A.Miller will be the best outside shooter in our starting five, unless Thad blossoms quickly.Can we get past a first round series next year with just internal improvement in our shotmaking or is a more drastic move needed.
Posted 10:38 PM, 05/19/2008
xing
KM, I guess I was so busy responding to "desixerfan" that I wasn't making myself clear. I am in agreement with you about White and considering him an adequate PF if he pans out. Knee problems could be a factor, but maybe not. My point was simply that ES may need to consider moving up in order to make sure we get our desired PF, that's all.
Posted 09:01 PM, 05/19/2008
JDoc
The entire off season depends on the answer to these two questions: 1) Will Miller sign an extension? and 2) What will it take to resign Iggy?....The answers to those questions should determine how Ed approaches this off season. I know a lot of people have said that too much change will destroy the chemistry this team has, BUT if Miller is intent on going back west and Iggy wants more then he is worth, then change is inevitable! I say, get it over with! Rebuild the team now and let that team gel like this one did!
Posted 08:17 PM, 05/19/2008
seude
I like Whites game but am concernedabout how he measures out.Reasons he may be ranked lower than deserved; weight issues till senior year and missing a season due to knee issues.With what he showed finally in his senior year there must be questions or he should be a 15 to 25 pick.As I stated before, if he measures 6!9" or bigger he is a good fit.
Posted 04:32 PM, 05/19/2008
K,M
Xing - that's basically what i was saying. clearly if we can get a Love or a Lopez without blowing other holes in the roster thats a great move to make. Failing that (and not to be pessimistic, but i think many teams will try and fail to do those things), I think DJ is really the next best PF option on the board. As hugh mentions, hes a senior with a complete & mature post game, with an NBA body. Numbers really not much different than Love's. Draftexpress compares him to Leon Powe - I dont like those types of projections, but if i had to based on body type, skill set, and production i'd say the ceiling is an elton brand type player. Of course, we could always try to fill other needs with the draft and try to address PF via trade, FA etc., or even position ourselves to take another shot next year (I put out a scenario a week or so ago that would get us 24m + in 2009 cap space with minimal player shuffling). My comment you responded to was really sort of off topic - i happen to be a White fan and was just observing that i though draft boards were ranking him inordinately low.
Posted 04:13 PM, 05/19/2008
hugh
KM, exactly. This is why the Spurs/Detroit stay good - they stock their benches with guys who are ready to play in the NBA or who can play one more year over-seas and then while the Knicks are waiting for Balkman to become a star and while Seattle is waiting on Sene or whoever - they are playing in the Finals or Conference finals. This is why I like White - he has an NBA body and his game is developed. Why take a project? Also, DESIXERSFAN - do some more work on the trade possibilities - those ain't happening.
Posted 03:09 PM, 05/19/2008
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Posted 02:51 PM, 05/19/2008
xing
Marc, I guess you're not going to blog during the offseason, huh? Greek, thanks for that note on Frye. I agree about him and Smith.
Posted 02:48 PM, 05/19/2008
xing
I've been reading posts for a while, but when comments don't make sense to me, I'll respond. Willie Green and a 2nd for Frye???? What?? Why would Portland do that?? As for Mike Miller, I don't see why Memphis would give up a proven scorer in the NBA for a late 1st round pick. Before we make trade scenarios, we at least need to think about whether it's slightly reasonable. Unless Memphis's and Portand's GM's last name is McHale, I don't even see such a discussion. I think even Billy Knight in ATL would have agreed to these suggestions Desixersfan brought up. KM, if our priority is PF, then I hope Stefanski uses this opportunity to avoid urge to grab "the best player available" and tries to move up in order to pick up a Love or Lopez. We don't need another 2/3 on this team, unless we unload someone and pick a major step up in talent!!
Posted 02:42 PM, 05/19/2008
The Greek
Channing Frye is the same player as Jason SMith, minus the athleticism. Jason should have gottent he opportunity to start alongside Thad last year. How many times have we said that Morty. It's amazing that on a team where no one can hit an outside shot that Jason never got a fair chance to get extended minutes. We need dudes that can shoot, I would even love a shot at Augustin if he falls to us. Where in the world is Marc? Thank to tom Moore for writing this article. http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-05182008-1535745.html
Posted 02:38 PM, 05/19/2008
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Posted 01:40 PM, 05/19/2008
DESIXERSFAN
I saw this on ESPN online and I love it... How about Portland’s Channing Frye at PF... Willie Green and 2009 2nd pick for Channing Frye... and 2009 Utah's 1st round pick and a future 2nd pick to Memphis for Mike Miller... New Starting 5... Center Samuel Dalembert, PF Channing Frye, SF Thaddeus Young, SG Andre Iguodala & PG Andre Miller... with Carney, Lou, Smith, Evans, Mike Miller coming off the Bench... Super Subs Shavlik Randolp, Kevin Ollie & Herber Hill... and we still stay under the salary cap!!!
Posted 01:06 PM, 05/19/2008
K,M
You know, i was checking out the various PF profiles on draft express today, and i really cant figure why some of these guys are rated higher than DJ. Seems like the only thing a lot of these guys have on him is maybe an inch and some potential. IMO, if you're looking for PF who can step in and make NBA contributions, you're looking at Love, maybe brook lopez (though probably more of a center), then DJ.
Posted 01:06 PM, 05/19/2008
K,M
You know, i was checking out the various PF profiles on draft express today, and i really cant figure why some of these guys are rated higher than DJ. Seems like the only thing a lot of these guys have on him is maybe an inch and some potential. IMO, if you're looking for PF who can step in and make NBA contributions, you're looking at Love, maybe brook lopez (though probably more of a center), then DJ.
Posted 12:42 PM, 05/19/2008
hugh
KM - I definitely agree on the comparisons of Gordon to Green and Ben Gordon. Under-sized streaky shooters who don't do much else than try to find their own shot. I see him slipping in the draft or being picked by a team that picks the "best player available" no matter what. While he is young and could improve - I was not impressed at all in the 6 or so games I watched him play this year - and to blame it on a coaching change is kind of weak - you should come to play no matter what the situation is. Gordon's line in the 1st round loss to Arkansas in this year's tourney - 8pts (3-15 fg, 2-6 ft), 1 assist, 3 steals, 3 turnovers) - DJ White's line 20pts (10-16 fg, 2-4 ft), 9 rebs, 1 block
Posted 11:59 AM, 05/19/2008
jjg
Sorry about repeating of similar post material. Content transmission of both was delayed for half a day. Hard to figure why.
Posted 10:46 AM, 05/19/2008
K,M
Suede, IMO Eric Gordon dropped in rankings more because of poor shot selection and streaky shooting than the issues you mention. Also,he actually had a negative assist/TO ratio - 2.4/3.6. Not the best man defender either, IMO. Maybe he finds his game, but every time i saw him, was reminded of Ben Gordon/Willie Green - solidly built, but small gunners. Definitely agree with Hugh the DJ White was the best player on that team - bailed out gordon's poor shots with his boarding and let him get open shots by drawing double teams.
Posted 08:09 PM, 05/18/2008
jjg
seude, Dick Groat (Ft. Wayne Pistons; '60 NL MVP), Sonny Jurgensen (oops, wrong sport), Bob Verga, Steve Vacendak, Mike Lewis, Randy Denton, Gene Banks, Mark Alarie, Bobby Hurley, Danny Ferry, Christian Laettner -- not bad players either!
Posted 07:18 PM, 05/18/2008
Dean1
Other comment...if we could trade Andre Miller and a couple of #1s to Charlotte for Raymond Felton and Emeka Okafor in a sign and trade? Would I do this? I'd definitely consider it...
Posted 07:16 PM, 05/18/2008
Dean1
Would I trade Lou Williams, Jason Smith and a #1 for the #6 pick? No - Kevin Love is not a proven NBA commodity. He had a nice run at the end of the season IN COLLEGE. Would I trade Lou Williams, Jason Smith, and a #1 for Elton Brand? Absolutely. Would I trade our #1 + Lou Williams to another team to get Eric Gordon? That's a tough one...
Posted 06:01 PM, 05/18/2008
jjg
What, you didn't like Dick Groat (Ft. Wayne Pistons; NL MVP '60), Sonny Jurgenson (oops, wrong sport), Bob Verga, Jack Marin, Steve Vacendak, Mike Lewis, Randy Denton, Gene Banks, Johnny Dawkins, Jim Spanarkle, Danny Ferry, Bobby Hurley, Christian Laettner? *** seude, You got a point there; maybe Lopez brothers will break the mold, make big NBA marks. But facts are facts; and historically, Stanford hasn't landed top-tier NBA big men. Reason for my doubt. "Past is prologue" may or may not apply in current twins' cases. We'll see.
Posted 03:46 PM, 05/18/2008
seude
Jumpin, hate to pigeonhole a school, look at the perception of Duke players till Hill, Boozer,Battier and Dunleavy came along. Although J.Mullins and the G-man weren!t bad.
Posted 02:29 PM, 05/18/2008
jjg
seude, When's the last time a Stanford big man made a difference?...Collins brothers, Adam Keefe, Rich Kelley...yawn. And did you have to remind me of our center?
Posted 01:40 PM, 05/18/2008
seude
Jumpin, he!s on the phone with Cleveland for E.Snow, he despises young pts. . Looking at draftexpresses updated mock, a lot of low post options in the 20 to 30 area, if Sam is our center next year and Jason and him are not a good match to E.S. and Mo, than just use Jason or Utah #1 for Speights,Lopez, White, Plaisted, etc.
Posted 01:15 PM, 05/18/2008
jjg
Brown was probably blowin' smoke. Or his PG affinity got the best of him momentarily. And "consideration" for MVP is a gimme putt anyway. Just rhetoric. Call his bluff and offer him Andre Miller & 16 for young, former Tar Heel, Ray Felton & 8. See if he's as enamored then.
Posted 12:37 PM, 05/18/2008
seude
Hugh, similiarly to Thad, Gordon was top 3 or 4 in the country out of high school. After 1st month of the college season was top 3 pick but coaching change and supposed ankle issues really dropped him recently, like Dean stated earlier. I saw M.Richmond type talent earlier this year but don!t know now.
Posted 10:45 AM, 05/18/2008
hugh
I think Gordon is overrated - he did not impress me much this season. I don't think he is ready for the NBA - he will be a Quentin Richardson at best. I watched Indiana this year to get a look at him, and this is where I developed a liking of DJ White. I was much more impressed by his play than Eric Gordon's. I am fine with Thad playing in the post - it doesn't matter whether a guy is a 3 or 4 offensively if you draw up the right plays for the right guys - it only matters on D.
Posted 10:45 AM, 05/18/2008
dikfer69
I listened to an interview on WIP where Larry brown felt Miller should have gotten MVP consideration which says to me that we should move Andre to Charlotte(if we are going to move him at all). We all know how Brown likes to play veterans and sit good young talent.
Posted 10:35 AM, 05/18/2008
sfw
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Posted 10:08 AM, 05/18/2008
seude
Good pt. about his build, S.F.W., remember your comparison to a 6!3"Barkley. Dumars played 2 at 6!3" because of his strength and tenacity, Gordon has one of those traits.
Posted 10:03 AM, 05/18/2008
seude
Dean, if Gordon is there at 7, I would try to get him. He seemed to have a pretty good handle and could be a part time pt.We could sure use his jumper here.
Posted 10:01 AM, 05/18/2008
sfw
I wouldn't. I still like Gordon. Similar to Ben Gordon with good lower body strength which he can use to his advantage against taller guards. If he fall to 9 or lower I'd try to move up to get him.
Posted 09:56 AM, 05/18/2008
seude
Seems like a 6 player draft[Rose,Beasley,Bayless,Lopez,Mayo,Love].Questions arise after that, according to web articles. Don!t curse me out, but if Thad gets you Love, would you?
Posted 09:52 AM, 05/18/2008
seude
L.Will. can!t be traded, contract ended at seasons end. Not saying that offer gets us there, it probably gets us to 9 or 10 only.
Posted 09:47 AM, 05/18/2008
sfw
Suede, I think you're overestimating the value of those picks and J. Smith & Carney. Neither Smith or Carney have proven anything in the NBA, yet. I think the only chips to move up that much are Lou Will. Maybe, Lou Will, JSmith & draft pick could get you there. Is it true that Low Will can't eb traded at the draft due to contract situation?
Posted 09:41 AM, 05/18/2008
seude
Dean, our best offer on draft night is probably J.Smith,Carney, Utah #1, and this years pick; but does that get us to #5 or #6, don!t know. I think the only way Love is there at 6 is if Knicks sit at 5; they either take a guard[Mayo] or the foriegn 3[Gallineri].If your the Sixers, and that offer gets you Love, do you do it?
Posted 09:32 AM, 05/18/2008
Dean1
Eric Gordon is falling fast in most of the mock drafts. However, his size is clearly an issue...he was listed at 6'5" by Indiana, but DraftExpress has him listed at 6'3" (to be fair, I loved him at 6'5"). But 6'3" - too small for a SG in my opinion in today's NBA. Love is my target in this draft (assuming Brand stays put in LA), but I just don't know how you move up to get him. If Charlotte lets Okafor walk, then Love is the obvious choice for the Bobcats at #8 (confirmed by DraftExpress). So, how do you get into the top 7? The other issue here is that the Clips have the #6 selection...does that make them more amenable to a sign-and-trade with Elton Brand for Lou Williams, Jason Smith and next year's #1? Do they take Love at #6? That could be a very interesting scenario, which could land Mr. Brand in Sixersville, which at the end of the day, is the best possible scenario for this offseason.
Posted 09:10 AM, 05/18/2008
sfw
Suede, No. Boston interest is back in the NBA. Have to compete with the red sox. The move is paying dividends this year. How many games has Minesota won with Jefferson? How's Green doing? where is he? D. West role player on good team.
Posted 09:10 AM, 05/18/2008
sfw
Suede, No. Boston interest is back in the NBA. Have to compete with the red sox. The move is paying dividends this year. How many games has Minesota won with Jefferson? How's Green doing? where is he? D. West role player on good team.
Posted 09:09 AM, 05/18/2008
jjg
seude, No. He showed grit and went hard for the win. Markings of a champ. (Of course, every management team meets its end at some point. Sometimes deserved, sometimes through Machiavellian machinations.) Meanwhile, Sixers traipse along with their developmental team and full-court marketing puffery.
Posted 08:57 AM, 05/18/2008
seude
If Boston doesn!t win a championship in the next 3 years does losing a young core of A.Jefferson,J.Green,D.West and future picks get Ainge fired.
Posted 02:37 AM, 05/18/2008
jkay
dizzy very dizzy talk makes me very dizzy...cannot discern what the heck the speculation is...hibbert, lopez, arthur? do these names mean anything?...finding it hard to focus...endless possibilities and scenarios...complex trades, surprising drafts, flashy signings...can't go...on...any...more...marc?...where?...need soon...bleeeep (flatline of EKG monitor)
Posted 06:41 PM, 05/17/2008
seude
We have one position available to add a perimeter threat in our starting lineup, unfortunately, with Sam,Thad,Iggy and A.Miller as four of our starters that leaves the 4 spot.Maybe the Utah pick and 3 to 4 mill.in cap space gets Villanueva and we start putting people in a position to succeed. Jason on the perimeter and Thad down low plays to their current strengths, eventually Thad!s perimeter game and Jason!s post game will allow them possibly to switch rolls.
Posted 06:34 PM, 05/17/2008
sfw
Going to a wedding btu Alexander is intriguing on many fronts btu don't want another Austin Croshere ....
Posted 06:31 PM, 05/17/2008
seude
Read recently that Alexanders strength right now is his low post game, similar to Thad; why can!t our small forward be our post guy and our p.f. play away from the basket? Hugh, you have brought this up with Iggy in the past and truth be told our lack of perimeter shooting could be helped with Jason getting more time.Dantley,B.King and C.Natt to name a few made a living on the block at the 3, why not Thad and possibly Alexander with the 16 pick.
Posted 06:03 PM, 05/17/2008
hugh
Suede, not defending Sammy - just don't want Howard for him, because he doesn't really give you anything special and he provides no help with the cap. Brand would be a help, undoubtedly, but he is aging and coming off an injury - not sure how much I want to pay him for how long, etc. I don't know what the best option would be right now. I do want to see more of Thad and Iggy (if he is here) on the low block next year. I don't think we need to make a huge splash this year - I would be happy with an Alexander, Speights, Love, White and a Vujacic. Next year, you will have Miller's money to get a PG.
Posted 06:01 PM, 05/17/2008
sfw
I'd target someone higher in the draft and make an effort to use multi-picks/players BUT I love playing GM. I'd target KLOVE, The 2 guard from Indiana Gordon who seems to be falling in some drafts. Looking at these players I think after the top 8 it's whoever you really think fits your need. I'm a fan of chalmers as someone to groom at the point. Love his defense. Also Westbrook & maybe the Lopez twin or Hibbert for role players. Don't agree with these draft guys whos say this is a real strong draft. Maybe Ed will get someone from Europe whos can contribute immediately.
Posted 05:51 PM, 05/17/2008
sfw
I wouldn't draft Arthur after seeing his inconsistent play at Kansas(even though they don't highlight their big people) AND reading the article on his math skills. Ellington would intrigue me if he was 6'4" without sneakers which I doubt. Speights yes but he's purely interior only from what I've read only. McGee major project makes me wonder when his parents were pro athletes. Like Randolph. He's a taller version of T. Young but skinnier. not sure if he fits the Sixers. Augustin, he's a small combo guard many of them haven't made the conversion to the NBA. Not sure.
Posted 05:07 PM, 05/17/2008
The Greek
suede, if we can't get brand or any other "stud" pf then I wouldn't mind if we sign and trade Iggy to get that PF if possible. If not I would sit on that cap money until something came up. We can't afford to hand out another bad contract. I love Iggy, but he will never be a good enough shooter for the 2-guard spot. ALso, I would love to get Speights, McGee, or Randolph
Posted 05:05 PM, 05/17/2008
bski
According to the mock draft on NBAdraft.net they have us taking D.J. Augutin at #16. Does he fall that far and if so do we take him? They have some of the names some of you guys have been tossing around going after #16 like: Russell Westbrook, Robin Lopez, Kosta Koufos, Chris Douglass-Roberts, Roy Hibbert, Mario Chalmers, Wayne Ellington, Kyle Weaver and.....D.J White going in the second round, #33 to Portland. If not Augustin at #16, then who?
Posted 03:55 PM, 05/17/2008
jjg
Morty, If he's anywhere near McDyess the Whirlybird of Denver Nugget vintage, would probably be a good catch.
Posted 11:46 AM, 05/17/2008
Morty_
jjg: not the real college game watcher that others are, but Arthur seems to have a true PF's game, post up moves and a mid range jumper. Can run the floor. Kansas doesn't seem to be one of those teams that allows for individual play, so perhaps that diminishes his stats, he wouldn't be the first. NBAdraft.net offers up Antonio McDyess as an NBA comparison. That wouldn't suck.
Posted 11:24 AM, 05/17/2008
bski
SIXERZGUY: This is where it all starts for me: What is our identity? How we answer that determines what we should do. Is what we run not compatible with who we have to run it? If so, do we think adding just one or two of the right type of player will allow us to run it? Should we change what we run to suit what we have? Do we need to make major changes in personnel to continue running what we do? Do we need to change what we run AND make major changes to the lineup to truly improve? We need to ask these questions and get to a definite answer. Once we have the answer, that determines how we move forward. The answer will show which of us here is "right". Can we make a title run with just a few changes/additions or do we need a major overhaul?******BTW, I responded to your post on Reclinergm. Check it out and get back to me
Posted 11:00 AM, 05/17/2008
jjg
Thanks, Morty. On Arthur, I'm in the dark. Not a tell-all, but stats don't sparkle. What does he bring to table?
Posted 10:20 AM, 05/17/2008
Morty_
jjg: I'd be targeting Love or Arthur.
Posted 10:18 AM, 05/17/2008
Morty_
If we can't get Brand, and can't get love, I'm all about trading Green + our caps space to LA for Odom. He has an expiring contract so at worst he would be a placeholder. At best, we could win 45-50 games.
Posted 09:52 AM, 05/17/2008
sixerzguy
sfw, suede - I'd try and package this year's 1st rounder and the Utah pick to move up and take Love. If we can't, how about moving them to pick up someone from the 2 previous drafts? Some candidates: Yi, Jeff Green, Tyrus Thomas, David Lee, Emeka Okafor... suede, it's not about just getting a player, it's what would fit, right? For example, the more I thought about it, the less this Sixers team made sense. So we're all about defense and running afterwards, and then we run that handoff offense in the halfcourt - do we have the right players for that? For a big guy, we need someone who can rebound and make that quick outlet pass, and for the guards, we need good passers and decision-makers for fastbreaking, and guys with great ball control and ability to finish. So here would be my not-too-all-star Eastern Conference team for that, off the top of my head: Joakim Noah, Billups, Jeff Foster, Gerald Wallace, Udonis Haslem, Caron Butler, Kendrick Perkins, David Lee, Joe Johnson. Can't think of a decent backup point for the team, and you need some 3-point threats. That team still doesn't have that low-post guy, offense for the bigs are mainly jumpers and shots generated by the offense. Let me reiterate - this is for what the Sixers ran this year. If you get Dean's roster, you go a totally different direction. But as currently constituted, I think we have a lot of players that just don't fit what we were running last year, thank goodness for all those Andre Miller pull-up jumpers.
Posted 09:51 AM, 05/17/2008
jjg
On Calathes: Decent player, but smarts didn't translate to consistent college play (got co-player of year in talent downturn); a big leap to think it would on pro level. Dunleavy has the one-up DNA, greater handle & mobility, and endured Duke gauntlet, athletically and academically. Far superior player imo. If Love is better-conditioned, gotta love his chance at being a real force on NBA level - quickly. Why not trade up to get him?
Posted 07:49 AM, 05/17/2008
sfw
Just read on Hoops Hype that KLove has really improved his conditioning. As thought he should go between 5-10. Would look nice in a sixers uniform.
Posted 07:23 AM, 05/17/2008
seude
Hugh,Sixerzguy,S.F.W.,Greek,Jumpin,K.M., and all other fellow bloggers; if Brand is not an option, who would you go after for this team, putting possible availability into the mix.
Posted 07:41 PM, 05/16/2008
seude
jUMPIN, best 6!10" ball handler I saw in college this year, also measured legit 6!10" in recent camp and was one of the top players. My brother S.F.W. says he has a Dunleavy like game if his body matures. Needs a year or 2 in developmental league.Hugh, defending Sammy? When Iggy can put Howards numbers up on a 50 win team let me know.Morty, would like players, not picks. After this year we will have 3 kids under 22 in our 8 man rotation, no more needed.
Posted 06:50 PM, 05/16/2008
sixerzguy
sfw, thanks for the link - knowing that about Arthur, I don't take a chance on him, even though he would fill our frontcourt scoring need a little. Got anything against Marreese Speights?... jjg, I don't know why you don't think Calathes can cut it in the league, if it's because he's not athletic enough, I agree, but he can make it up with his basketball smarts, passing, team defense, 3 things our very athletic Sixers are sorely lacking. It's the same reason I want Koponen, or Kyle Weaver. For a very athletic team, the Sixers spent a lot of time standing around on offense, and more often than not, didn't know where they should be on both offense (spacing, moving without the ball) and defense. Stefansky is dead wrong by saying we should try to get more athletic - we need to get smarter. I can only take so much of our taking-turns halfcourt offense (even though a lot of the league is like that), let's get smarter players so that part of our attack is reading defenses and reacting to them. I probably don't need to tell you this, but did you notice that playing for turnovers and running was the Sixers' strong suit, but anytime someone (Detroit) did that to them it messed them up big time? A prediction for the upcoming year: we stumble out of the gate, our defend and run won't be as effective as it was this year, we're not sneaking up on anyone this year (see: last games of the regular season). I hope Mo and Stefansky can see this coming, there better be a plan B, and it better not be the lottery and Blake Griffin.
Posted 05:41 PM, 05/16/2008
jjg
Morty, Just wonderin' - who/what you lookin' for at 13 (or top 10) that 16 can't get you? And is he/it worth forfeiting a 2 pick?
Posted 04:43 PM, 05/16/2008
Morty_
Suede: if Portland has some many players to sign, how about next year's #1 for their #1 this year? I'll even throw in a future 2nd rounder to move up to #13. Might even be able to then swing #13 and 16 into the top 10.
Posted 04:25 PM, 05/16/2008
jjg
A motivated Josh Howard (after a down year) AND a #1 pick for Dalembert? Where do I sign? Take the coup, align the pieces in time.
Posted 04:17 PM, 05/16/2008
jjg
seude, IMHO Calathes, not a pro, at least on this continent. You must be a Hawk fan.
Posted 12:53 PM, 05/16/2008
sfw
Don't know about Arthurs basketball IQ too. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24665244/
Posted 12:19 PM, 05/16/2008
hugh
What does Josh Howard provide? Besides good "stuff"? He is a decent scorer, who I think regressed this year. No thanks. I might be interested if his contract was expiring after this year, but since he has a few more years - it wouldn't be worth it.
Posted 08:12 AM, 05/16/2008
seude
By the way, Cuban loves Sam, would a Sam for J.Howard trade interest anybody if we got a #1 pick with it.
Posted 08:07 AM, 05/16/2008
seude
Sixerzguy, Portland has to move players or picks because they have 7 unsigned draftpicks plus the picks this year.Good thought process, but if we take a 4 at 16, than a foriegn big like Pakovic, a 1st round talent that may go later because of availability now, may be a good second round option. The reason I keep bringing up Hibbert, Lopez,Pekovic and other bigs at 16 is after the draft J.Smith may look like the best piece that other teams want in any trade scenerios and would like a big here to replace him if necessary.Weaver,Calathes could both play in the developmental league this year and make the roster next year; that would work.
Posted 05:49 AM, 05/16/2008
sfw
I kinda like Hansi Gnad. THought he could contribute. So much for my GM skills.Dorsey & Hardin in the same paragraph with basketball IQ? Calathes is not really a Kirilenko type. More Dunleavy like but not at his level now. If that is a good level. Arthur, I guess it depends on which Arthur shows up after he gets his check. Weaver? maybe......
Posted 12:00 AM, 05/16/2008
sixerzguy
BFrank, that's the Sixers' Hall of Lame right there... suede, watching these playoffs, in addition to basketball IQ, there's another talent these Sixers don't have: great body control while up in the air. Sure, Lou can take a hit and still get his shot up, but I'm talking about Iverson-type contortion when putting a shot up. Thad looks like he has potential in this area... IF the Sixers did this: trade the Utah 1st-rounder for Portland's 3 second round picks (Portland said they're looking to get rid of these picks), here's what I'd do with the draft: take Darrell Arthur at 16, then get DeVon Hardin, Pat Calathes, and Kyle Weaver in the 2nd round. Or trade it for former pick Koponen and the two later picks, taking Pat Calathes and Joey Dorsey with them. Arthur is a big guy who can score in all sorts of ways; he can't rebound but that's why we have Sam. Calathes is our shooter at SF (how slow can he be, Kirilenko guards Kobe), Joey Dorsey/Hardin could be Maxiell-ish, and Koponen or Weaver is our future point... But that's probably the kind of thinking that led to that aforementioned Hall of Lame BFrank brought up...
Posted 09:02 PM, 05/15/2008
seude
Blski, I feel the same, its funny but we seem to be real"comfortable" with this group of guys,young, hustling, good character,etc.; its a big move, the next one.We need to upgrade in talent but not in ego. Just looking at this years stats; Z-Bo had 40 double-doubles, almost twice as many as Sam and his combined ass/pts./reb. per game were the same as Iggy, yet would he "fit in".If the knicks would give him away for Willie and cap room, I would sure think about it. Keep the team intact and add a draft pick.
Posted 07:51 PM, 05/15/2008
bski
SUEDE: Not unless he changes a lot. The Nuggets are running an offense with 2 Iversons. They, Melo and Iverson, just take turns dominating the ball now. We've moved beyond the Iverson we had. I don't think it's a good idea to bring another Iverson-like player here. Added to that, we want to improve our defense and I don't think he does that for us. He also seems to be bad news in the personal department, probably too disruptive. He's got tremendous skills, but I have no interest in him at all.
Posted 06:41 PM, 05/15/2008
seude
Hey guys, not a big Melo fan but if he is available, any interest?
Posted 06:23 PM, 05/15/2008
jkay
agreed
Posted 05:26 PM, 05/15/2008
Morty_
Greek: With all due respect, the less said about the Cowgirls, the better.
Posted 04:17 PM, 05/15/2008
The Greek
SFW, i was just trying to show Marc what a top notch blog looks like. I am a Cowboy fan, have been my whole life just as with the sixers but I don't, for obvious reason like to talk football here because that wouldnt be taking away from our goal of watching the sixers rise to the top and drink some championship champagne!
Posted 03:36 PM, 05/15/2008
sfw
Greek, How can you go to that link? You dissapoint me!!!!!!!! Let's face it. No matter what Marc writes it's gonna come down to the same topics anyway. He just get's it started................................Marc, let us know what your plans are for updating the blog in the offseason. Thanks!
Posted 02:58 PM, 05/15/2008
BFrank
Sorry, meant to say 1985, the year AFTER they took Charles Barkley.
Posted 02:56 PM, 05/15/2008
BFrank
Here's a list of all those great draft picks the Sixers made from 1985 (the year they took Charles Barkley) to 1994 (the year before Jerry Stackhouse): Sharone Wright Clemson BJ Tyler Texas Derrick Alston Duquesne Shawn Bradley Brigham Young Alphonso Ford Mississippi Valley State Clarence Weatherspoon Southern Mississippi Alvaro Teheran Houston Brian Oliver Georgia Tech Derek Strong Xavier (Ohio) Kenny Payne Louisville Reggie Cross Hawaii Toney Mack Georgia Charles Smith Pittsburgh Everette Stephens Purdue Herman Montenegro LSU Chris Welp Washington Vincent Askew Memphis State Andrew Kennedy Virginia Hansi Gnad Alaska-Anchorage Eric Riggins Rutgers Brian Rahilly Tulsa Frank Ross American Tracy Foster UAB Eric Semisch West Virginia David Wingate Georgetown Keith Colbert Virginia Tech Ron Rowan St John's Wes Stallings East Tennessee State Kevin Holmes DePaul Andre McCloud Seton Hall Dan Palombizio Ball State Terry Catledge South Alabama Greg Stokes Iowa Voise Winters Bradley Steve Black LaSalle Derrick Gervin Texas-San Antonio Carl Wright SMU Darryl Lloyd Drake Jaye Andrews Bucknell
Posted 12:28 PM, 05/15/2008
hugh
I think Sharone Wright lead the league in losing the ball on the way up TOs - I wish they would have kept that stat. He also couldn't catch a pass to save his life. While the wound is open - here's a little salt: Richard Dumas, Rex Walters, Michael Cage, Don McLean, Vernon Maxwell
Posted 10:46 AM, 05/15/2008
seude
Would A.Miller take a contract that declines in salary;[10,9,8,7] or does somebody give him 10 to 12 per after this years performance.Portland, Cleveland and Denver could use him as a player rather than just cap space.
Posted 10:30 AM, 05/15/2008
Morty_
Marc's probably on a vacation. That's my guess.
Posted 10:30 AM, 05/15/2008
Morty_
Marc's probably on a vacation. That's my guess.
Posted 10:04 AM, 05/15/2008
The Greek
Marc maybe you should consider taking on a partner for this blog. I see this as a prelude of things to come, one article every 2 weeks or so type thing. You should check out the dallascowboys blog for inspiration. They have many contributing writers, any fresh news makes the board. http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ Like some of your astute bloggers have mentioned you have tons of things to write about, please don't pull a carl pavano on us and abandon us when we need you Marc.
Posted 08:13 PM, 05/14/2008
sixerzguy
Quick hits before these Game 5's... hugh, don't know if DJ White can ever be quick enough to approximate David West... Jannero Pargo works as an undersized SG coming off the bench, let's tell Willie to pattern his game after him, I wish I could say LouWill and Willie can be our poor man's Chris Paul and Pargo, but LouWill can't carry Paul's strap, Paul's a surgeon out there, cutting up defenses, cutting up San Antonio's defense... Let's hope the Clippers aren't in position to draft Derrick Rose, Brand stays with them for sure if that happens - BTW draft lottery is this Tuesday, trade scenarios become more tangible then - another BTW, Oklahoma City Barons, Knicks, and Miami are top 3, Stern can't have Rose/Beasley going to Milwaukee, Memphis, or Minnesota... How dare you guys bring up Sharone Wright, that's just cruel, that wound took forever to heal, I've never forgiven John Lucas, I had such high hopes - since that wound is open, B.J. TYLER!!! SCOTT WILLIAMS!!!
Posted 07:27 PM, 05/14/2008
jjg
Sharone Wright, the Sixers' version of Eagles' Leonard Mitchell - high draft pick; big, soft, uninspired. Put best attributes of Wright, Shawn Bradley and Dalembert together and you might have one player--Mark Eaton maybe?
Posted 06:15 PM, 05/14/2008
seude
S.Wright, the infamous 6th player picked in a 5 player draft. Did get 11 pts and 6 reb. per game before back issues. Roy H. is out looking for you guys, you hurt his feelings.
Posted 06:05 PM, 05/14/2008
AaronMcKie4MVP
Hugh - i agree on Hibbert. that guy reaks of Sharone Wright or even Andrew Declerq (actually its impossible to be that bad) Derrick - I laugh when i hear people talk about that guy too Marc - cmon, hook us up with another column or ill go the Wizards blog.
Posted 05:50 PM, 05/14/2008
seude
Hugh, D.J. is the 10th rated p.f. in the draft, we have him already in H.Hill.Can!t have 3 6!8" p.f.!s. Lopez is more like Noah. scored 10 pts. a game without plays being run for him, may end up better than his brother,more athletic, but don!t worry, him and Hibbert will probably be gone before we pick.
Posted 02:30 PM, 05/14/2008
derrickwh
Herb Hill for president! I crack up every time his name comes up on this blog.
Posted 01:29 PM, 05/14/2008
bski
SIXERZGUY: I went a little further with our discussion on reclinergm. Let me know your thoughts over there when you get a chance.
Posted 12:40 PM, 05/14/2008
jjg
Thing I like about Herb Hill - he's got some back-to-the-basket moves/offense, something our Colorado State Ram doesn't. Give him same coaching TLC and opportunity, he might evolve into the better player.
Posted 12:38 PM, 05/14/2008
hugh
I can't believe people are still calling for Hibbert and Robin Lopez. Hibbert might be the next Sharone Wright. I can see him retiring young due to lack of confidence. Robin Lopez is Anderson Vareajau at best. Give me DJ White over both of these guys. I see him as a David West type - if he can add a little range. I would also prefer Love and Alexander over these guys. I think Alexander is the Wild card of that group. In the games I watched, he did seem to have trouble with fouls. I could see him being one of those guys who picks up 2 quick ones and has to sit down until late in the 2nd (at least early on). The question then becomes - who plays where?
Posted 12:13 PM, 05/14/2008
jkay
hey marc! are u gonna keep us beating this very dead horse? new topic might be the way to go. hey guys here's a good laugh; knicks want to trade stephon marbury (like anyone would want him) good luck i cant believe they even said that. even memphis is not that desperate.
Posted 11:21 AM, 05/14/2008
jjg
Herb Hill was an 18 & 9 Big East player as a Senior, improving each year at Providence. That's a recommendation right there. Digression: He also had an auspicious beginning, having been born in Ulm, Germany, the birthplace of Albert Einstein.
Posted 10:51 AM, 05/14/2008
K,M
Suede, i ten agree with you that its not time to give up on Lou yet in terms of point. IMO he made real strides this year That was just one potential scenario... Feel free to subsititute whoever in my scenario - that was actually sort of the point - that we have flexibility. Sixersguy, i think i remember reading that blurb last year. Interesting to see it in perspective. I think they were pretty right on about Jason. Way off on thaddeus as far as talent, but then so was everyone else, including me. (Even BK, if you recall that was not his first choice and he didn't pretend that he thought i would have an impact this year). of course we have all echoed the criticsm re wing players. too bad we dont have a body of work on young mr hill yet...
Posted 10:17 AM, 05/14/2008
jjg
In many cases, college or pro, read the programs, then subtract 2 inches.
Posted 09:36 AM, 05/14/2008
hiphopscholar
I agree with Aaron. No one is discussing Andre Miller anymore. How about a column that suggests who the 76ers should draft? An aside: Yesterday, I saw Michael Beasley at the Amoco gas station on City Avenue. He was driving a pretty fancy car (interesting?!?) Let it be known here first - he is not 6'10!!
Posted 08:21 AM, 05/14/2008
jjg
seude, The Mohican Tonsorial comics section, please.
Posted 08:17 AM, 05/14/2008
AaronMcKie4MVP
Marc, can we please have a new column? Be creative. think of something new to write about. there are 192 comments on this one.
Posted 07:40 AM, 05/14/2008
seude
J.P.B., if he goes that route then Turiaf is the best option. Sam needs a physical player next to him.Isn!t Warrick a tweener[215 lbs.]. I hope its a star,talent level has to be raised big time but that!s why E.S. gets the big bucks; find us a diamond in the rough.
Posted 07:32 AM, 05/14/2008
seude
Hey Jumpin, you want your halibut wrapped in the inquire or bulletin.Johnnie, Sam is probably staying, best we can hope for is a real center in the draft that is fundamentally sound;[foriegn big guy,Hibbard,Koufas or R.Lopez]. After beating Sam up in practice enough they will have to eat into his minutes.
Posted 07:27 AM, 05/14/2008
JBP
Ed will be looking for a PF 1) a guy who is in his 2nd or 3rd year in the league and is making major strides(Hakeem Warick); and the foreign player market. He will not get Brand or Josh Smith. He will not take a re-tread like O'Neal or Curry. You guys will whine because he won't get a big name player, but Ed will make smart moves.
Posted 07:16 AM, 05/14/2008
seude
J.Kay, he was 3 years away from coming over, but could have been our future point. Our draft was very good till those last 2 moves, Fasenko has promise also. Byers was a [big school,tough schedule,tournament tested,good conference, supposed to go higher in draft] pick that didn!t work out, get it isn!t an exact science.
Posted 01:24 AM, 05/14/2008
jkay
yep byars really was a bust, guess u can't win 'em all. wonder what happened to kopono? he any good now?
Posted 11:25 PM, 05/13/2008
sixerzguy
Just stumbled into this 2007 draft review (grade: C) from draftexpress: "This probably wasn’t a bad draft for Philadelphia, but you get the feeling that they could have done a bit more considering what they started with. Thaddeus Young was a reach at #12, and doesn’t really fill a need either. The drop-off from the end of the top 10 to here was pretty steep, but the Sixers had the assets to make a move had they wanted to. Jason Smith had solid value at #21 and certainly does fill a need - a few years down the road. He should get the minutes to play through mistakes and build confidence as he makes the very sharp transition from the cellar of the Mountain West Conference to the NBA. Rather than hold on to a player with real talent and potential in Koponen who could have had a great chance to gel with Philly’s young roster, they traded him away for yet another swingman [Derrick Byars], their fourth straight counting Rodney Carney, Bobby Jones and Thaddeus Young. At least they got cash out of it, which should make their fan base feel terrific... We do like the Herbert Hill pick at #55. If he gets a fair shake, he might end up stealing minutes from Smith at the 4-spot. Right now, he’s a better player than him, but we’ll see what happens down the road."
Posted 11:00 PM, 05/13/2008
sixerzguy
Dean, just saw Robert Horry make a pass from the three-point line to Manu just under the basket. Chances are Sammy's never ever gonna be capable of making that pass on a regular basis. It's not just the jumper of a veteran big guy that I'd want, it's the smarts that the veteran would bring. Another example - look at how much better the Pistons play with McDyess instead of Maxiell, even though Maxiell is stronger, the better rebounder, and the better shotblocker. Sam would be fine for the regular season, but not the playoffs, which is what Stefansky should be tooling for. We need a better playoff team. That young explosive big is great for the regular season, but these playoffs are clearly showing that that's not enough to win it all(cough Dwight Howard cough).
Posted 10:13 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
And Billups didn!t play again.If they beat Boston we should feel even better.
Posted 10:10 PM, 05/13/2008
bski
Well, the Pistons just ousted the Magic in 5. I am allowing myself a small amount of satisfaction that we were able to get 2 wins against Detroit.
Posted 10:07 PM, 05/13/2008
bski
SUEDE: I think you are really on to something here. I honestly think it would be great for the team to keep both of them and work something like that out. Now we just have to figure out how to get you, Stefanski, Miller, and Williams in a room so you can sell them on it.
Posted 09:41 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
Looked up Best and Jackson;52 wins [Jackson{33 min.},Best 10min.]Next year ,58 wins[Jackson (29 min.), Best 19 min.].
Posted 09:28 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
Blski, money wise if L.Will. gets 4 mill. per and A.Miller signs for 9 per., 13 mill. for one position isn!t bad. Kidd, B.Davis and D.Will. and Paul in the future all will get 15 or more, probably. Chicago is the only team where I!ve seen declining value on contracts,[Nucioni and Hinrich]. A perfect situation[A.Miller(10,9,8,7)]; L.Will.[3,4,5,6 per] but that would be hard to work out.
Posted 09:19 PM, 05/13/2008
bski
SUEDE: Quick follow up about the Miller/Lou splitting the point thing. You are only talking about doing this just for next season, right? While I do think it could work player/basketball wise for a couple years, I do not think it works financially beyond next season. We can't commit to two long term contracts and take up a substantial amount of cap space for two players to share the point.
Posted 09:04 PM, 05/13/2008
bski
SUEDE: I think that A.Miller and L.Will splitting time could work, as long as they both went along with it. Also, I don't envision each of them playing 24 mins each game. Cheeks showed this year that he will let the matchups decide who is on the floor, as long as they are playing well. We saw many games where R.Evans sat a lot while Thad played. In other games Evans played a lot. So I tend to think it would work the same way with Miller and Lou. There may be games, or perhaps even a run of several games, where Cheeks would play one more than the other due to matchups and effectiveness. But overall, yes I think it could work.
Posted 08:54 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
J.DOC, I think A.Miller will stay if E.S. improves the roster after the draft, that is why I want a Dre level talent or better added this summer.We are young enough, after this draft I would just trade picks and cap space in the future for the final piece. I am guilty of letting my imagination wander as far as trade ideas but my fellow blog mates always tend to reel me in.A Jefferson like move,this years pick and a final main piece in the next year or so and we should be ready. By the way could A.Miller and L.Will. do what Indiana did with M.Jackson and T.Best, rotate in and out and gradually even up the minutes?
Posted 08:33 PM, 05/13/2008
JDoc
I understand your concern about to much roster turn over, but if Miller wants to leave there is going to be plenty of turn over anyway. Not only will we need a starting PF but a starting PG soon too. I'm just suggesting we do it all this off season and get it over with. A different starting PG could make a big difference in the make up of this team. I think we can all agree that Shav, Amundson, and Ollie are all gone, so why not replace those 3 with 3 first round picks? There needs to be plenty of turn over anyway so lets just get it done. And let that team gel and win like this one did half way thru the season. Maybe then we can make a serious run in '09-'10.
Posted 08:24 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
Sam,Iggy and A.Miller got all-def. votes and Thad got 2nd team all rookie, things are looking up.By the way, saying we won!t be in the lottery for a while was a happy and sad thing for me, happy about our progress but sad because our draft parties are gonna suck.
Posted 08:18 PM, 05/13/2008
bski
Suede: If I were either of them, I wouldn't go anywhere. Both of them seem to be in great situations. Boozer has Deron Williams and he's a focal point of that team. It seems to be a great fit for him and he's playing for Jerry Sloan who is a consistent winner. Turkoglu is in a similar situation in Orlando. He seems to fit in well. He's having the best year of his career and the Magic have him handling the ball and they run their offense through him a lot.
Posted 08:02 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
BLSK, Boozer and Turkaglu are the biggest names next year I believe but not sure if they test the market. J.Doc, I think the guys are right about creating a core and building on it. I don!t want to part with J.Smith but you have to give to get and Jefferson is only 28.K.M., not sure a pt. is a priority until they are sure L.Will. can!t do it. That and a tall,physical 4/5 might be 3a and 3b on their list of priorities.Keep getting nightmares of D.Howard dunking Sam through the hoop.
Posted 07:45 PM, 05/13/2008
bski
JDoc: My major concern with this, as it is with many of these ideas, is the sheer amount of turnover and disruption to what we have begun to build. You're suggesting bringing in 7 new players, right? (4 from other teams and 3 draft picks). On top of that, you are suggesting the possibility of either trading 3 players at the trade deadline or allowing all 3 to walk at the end of next season. Either way, that's even more disruption. Overall I just feel this is too much change too fast. How long into next season until we know if this is working? Do you think until the trade deadline will be long enough? I don't know if it is when you are talking about this much change. Barring a run to the conference finals next year, how will we know if what we've done is good enough? It just seems to me that this puts us on the hamster wheel of constant change for the next couple of years.
Posted 07:29 PM, 05/13/2008
JDoc
Morty/KM/bski- I think I have a plan that is similiar to your way of thinking but also involves trading Miller. Please read the whole idea, it makes sense in the end.....This is all based on the belief that Brand won't opt out. If he does, I'd get him over all else......Ok, this is my plan..Trade Sammy, Green, Carney and Utah's #1 pick to Toronto for Calderon, Nesterovic, and this years #17 pick.(It might take Lou Will in a sign-n-trade instead of Green and Carney, but I still do the deal) Toronto needs a defensive C behind Bosh and they can't move TJ Ford......Then trade Miller and maybe Booth to Seattle for Wilcox, Marshall, and the #24 pick they got from Pheonix. They already have a top 5 pick(Beasley,Lopez) plus Durant and Green. They could use a PG like Miller to lead that young team....This gives the Sixers this starting 5: PG-Calderon, SG-Iggy, SF-Thad, PF-Wilcox, C-Nesterovic. Bench: Lou Will(or Green and Carney, depending on trade) Marshall, Evans, and Smith.....Plus 3 first round picks(#16,17,24)....NBAdraft.net has Westbrook dropping down to #16. I would jump for joy if this happened. I'd take Westbrook at #16, Speights (PF/C Fla) at #17, and a C at #24(Hibbert, Lopez) This would add a lot of depth to the team. This team would be young but there would still be some vets like Evans, Marshall, and Nesterovic.......And here is the best part, Wilcox, Marshall, and Nesterovic have expiring contracts next year. Totaling around $20 million. We would already have a solid bunch of young guys, so we could either trade the 3 guys at the deadline for the all-star vet that we need or let them walk and clear the cap space for free agency.....So what do you guys think? This plan adds youth, talent, and depth. Plus even more cap space next year. And it puts us in solid position to contend for several years.
Posted 07:27 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
Did you guys see A.Miller got a vote for the all-defensive team. In the words of M.Allen "how !bout that".
Posted 06:55 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
J.Doc, the 2 picks will be 20 and up, no more lottery!s for this team. E.S. can negotiate the best deal but 1 lottery pick is worth 3 out of the lottery.
Posted 06:46 PM, 05/13/2008
JDoc
I like Jefferson but I'm not giving up 2 first round picks for him!
Posted 06:02 PM, 05/13/2008
seude
Morty, I would like to get a star this summer, it doesn!t have to be a p.f., but a star that gives us a chance to improve like Atlanta did when they got J.Johnson.The price was steep at the time but seemed to work for them in the playoffs. If Brand is not available I would inquire about R.Jefferson. N.J. seems to want to restock with young players and picks for their move. We need an upgrade at the 3, bigtime. Prince lit us up and he is noteven a prolific scorer, imagine Rashard, Lebron,Pierce and C.Butler and what they could do. Jefferson is a 6!7",225 lb. version of Iggy with a good jumpshot. If it costs J.Smith,cap room and 2 future #1 picks it would be worth it to me.He is better than anybody currently here.As far as the 4 position, Draft the best 4/5 available that is 6!10" or bigger, a player at J.Smith!s level at least[R.Lopez,Pekovic,Hibbard,Koafas].Thad was our best low post player last year, he should be used off the bench as a combo forward till he is ready. I for one don!t want him to get abused next year in a 7 game series against Lebron.Hill deserves a chance in camp to show what he can do. Anybody that averages a bdouble/double in the big east has a chance to be a Millsap level player off the bench[20 min.,7pts.,5reb.]Sam getting 32 minutes a night means there are 64 min. to cover at the 4/5 positions, a rotation of Reggie,Herb, Thad and the #1 pick would be pretty good.Agree with the idea of adding a piece here or there but the next piece I feel should be a star.
Posted 05:18 PM, 05/13/2008
Morty_
I mean, I would love to see a Celtics style turn-around as much as the next fan, but the odds are against that happening.
Posted 05:14 PM, 05/13/2008
Morty_
KM/ bski: that's exactly why I am in favor of keeping Miller all of this coming year, and then letting him walk. That gives us 2 straight years with a big chunk of cap space to play with.
Posted 05:07 PM, 05/13/2008
bski
KM: You are dead on. We all seem to agree that the Sixers are 2 to 3 players away from seriously contending but, like I've said before, we do not have to do it all now. In addition to adding a few players, we also need growth and development of our core, which will take a little time. I've been saying all along that we have many options now and over the next couple of years. Many here seem to think if we do not get Brand now, we have no shot at contending. However, as you say, we do not have to get the PF now. We need a PG, PF, and a shooter. If we can't get Brand now, get the other two and go for a stud PF next year with the money we'll have. Who will be a free agent PF after next season. Maybe we are better off to wait anyway. I'm with you all the way on this. Add a couple pieces now, let it gel and develop, then add a couple more pieces next year. In this way, we should be ready in 2 years and be a contender for several years down the road.
Posted 03:58 PM, 05/13/2008
K,M
Dean, Glad you are seeing that Brand is likely a "pipe dream". I don't agree with that meaning we're stuck, though. Think of it this way - we have two other needs to address anyway (shooter & point). We also have a number of roster spots opening (shav, etc). So draft yourself a point for andre to train for one more year, then spend the rest of your picks on the best shooters available(or defensive guys who can hit open shots). then two options for the PF - add a younger vet type in FA, or and older, expiring vet through trade as a placeholder (eg., odom). If you go the older route, that give you expiring contracts worth well over 20m for end of 09 (Miller, Odom or other placeholder, Booth) to spend on a PF, plus a team that is a solid step forward for the 09 season. If you sign the younger yet PF, you still have 11m (booth & miller) plus whatever you didn't spend this year & hopefully whatever expirings we get from dealing willie :) If you're expecting a championship next year, yes, maybe that is a bit depressing, but it is a reasonable senario (one of several i could think of) for building a team that gets better every year & would be ready to contend for a long time starting in 2-3 years.
Posted 01:50 PM, 05/13/2008
BFrank
I think we should trade Miller for Dwight Howard, Willie Green for Al Jefferson and Dalembert for Chris Paul... Sorry, I was bored... back to reality. I think... I think I've said enough for today.
Posted 01:12 PM, 05/13/2008
CARTWFH
Mark, While I agree the Sixers should not discount the value of a quality point guard like Miller, the resigning of Iguadala and the acquisition of a power forward are items must be addressed first and foremost. With Andre miller under contract for next year, his trade value will be higher as the season progresses than it is even now ( although I think it would be foolish to trade or allow him to walk through free agency). The second urgent need is three point shooting. The way the Sixers now play (up-tempo), they could try to find both skills in the right big man and hopefully not by drafting a power forward. That will only drag out the maturation process of the rest of the team another two or three years. If the Sixers fill those holes, and Thaddeus Young develops his swing m an game (ball handling, midrange shooting and defending small forwards) he then becomes a natural selection for small forward. That moves Andre to the position he should be playing... 2 GUARD. Additionally, a bruising backup center would not hurt s a compliment to the two shot blockers. Ed Stefanski has a lot to do… Billy King still looms large on this team as all of the personnel is from his era including the coach.
Posted 12:08 PM, 05/13/2008
hugh
Agreed - it is getting old posting about a guy who won't be here in a year.
Posted 12:04 PM, 05/13/2008
jkay
aarommckie4mvp; are you really sure you wanna go there?
Posted 08:49 AM, 05/13/2008
AaronMcKie4MVP
hey, Mark, i know the season is over, but can we get a new topic to discuss ? perhaps something like , "who should the Sixers draft with their #1 pick? ". it would be great to hear who everyone thinks we should take.
Posted 08:18 AM, 05/13/2008
Morty_
cosmic: or sign a Euro free agent.
Posted 08:13 AM, 05/13/2008
seude
Cosmic, N.B.A.DRAFT.NET,#26. \Pecovic; is a perfect fit next to Sam but read he may not come over for 2 to 3 years, that!s the problem, the euro teams are offering good money to the top level now.J.Kay, Two reasons I would go after Randolph; 1]he is exactly what we need skillwise at a young age[27 I believe] and 2] could probably be had for Willie and our cap room.But the issue is what Mo thinks. They were successful in Portland but again was he a reason for success or not. I read before where they had to back off his pregame workout routine because it was too hard and he was drained late in games, that tyells me he works hard.If off the court issues[partying] is the major issue than as long as he works hard on the court and makes practice than bring him in.As far as his defense, he needs to play 28 to 32 minutes a night and let Reggie beat on who he is covering the rest of the time.
Posted 03:32 AM, 05/13/2008
cosmic
Why is nobody talking about foreign players? Maybe ED might put a fast one, on us and draft a foreign player.
Posted 03:27 AM, 05/13/2008
cosmic
YES FOR SAM, NO FOR BRAND!
Posted 01:28 AM, 05/13/2008
jkay
dean; stop being bitter. the best thing about blogging is the mindless optimism it provides. hey i think everyone knows the line on these guys and dean is right our only home run is brand, hitting singles like whatzisface probably wont change much. the reason why detroit or any other team is winning is simple: the starting five. dissect it how u want the best 5 guys on your team have to be better than the other guys' 5. josh smith is definitely not our answer ( i thought so but after watching 5 mins of youtube higlights realize he's a larger iggy not a PF), o'neal has mammoth contract and knee issues risky. brand wont opt out the market is too weak unless the sixers/grizzlies guarantee him something. what about zach randolph; all strip-club jokes aside, if he has the physical talent to be a dominant player (well defense we pray he works on) he might be the best guy for the positionz (best part he's relatively low cost). i dunno...but really if we want to make the changes y'all are talking about then something has to change. some nutcase deal domino effect to make some player or draft pick available. well d'antoni goin to NY (worst fit)should shake things up a bit. hope guys!! funny i always thot d'antoni in chicago made more sense (lighter sensed guy for the suddenly-panic mode bulls) and avery johnson (disciplinary guy who dont give a **** for the wayward knicks) to NY. is that too linear way of thinking. leave it to the knicks to keep making stupid moves involving ridiculuous sums of money. what a GM!
Posted 11:49 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
Sam's jumper did improve by leaps and bounds though this year Sixerzguy. For a while there, he was knocking them down consistently - it was almost scary. Do you think with another summer of practice on his shot over the summer that he could develop a jumper as effective as a McDyess, Smith, or Camby?
Posted 11:30 PM, 05/12/2008
sixerzguy
Dean, I like everything about your roster except for Sam. I'd like to pair Brand up with a veteran big guy with a jumper, like McDyess, Joe Smith. Marcus Camby would be fantastic.
Posted 11:14 PM, 05/12/2008
sixerzguy
These 2nd round series have been awesome... I don't think Boston is good enough to win it all, and if I'm a Boston fan, I'm really really really concerned that the Big 3 can't step it up when they're not playing at the TD BankNorth whatever. I could understand if Boston's trio of stars were younger guys like Carmelo or Monta Ellis, but Pierce, KG, and Allen are all seasoned vets, they shouldn't be so average on the road. The way Detroit's playing right now, I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit takes them 4-0 or 4-1, and that's if Boston can get past Cleveland. The Sixers really woke Detroit up, but you can't really say that about Atlanta what Atlanta did to Boston, right? Anyone else amazed at how much of a force Rasheed Wallace has been so far? Where the heck was this last year? He's my 2nd round MVP. Detroit and either Utah, LA, or the Spurs would be a fantastic Finals.
Posted 10:44 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
JJG - To answer your question...absolutely. If Elton Brand was our PF in the Detroit series...we'd still be playing right now. Iggy doesn't get triple-teamed, Andre Miller doesn't have to put up 15-20 shots / game, Sam can be who he truly is...a defensive stopper and 10-12 rpg guy. And, for the first time since Barkley was here, we'd have a 1/2 court offense. We'll see what E.S. does...my hunch is that Brand is a pipe dream on this board, and the Sixers will be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.
Posted 10:44 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
JJG - To answer your question...absolutely. If Elton Brand was our PF in the Detroit series...we'd still be playing right now. Iggy doesn't get triple-teamed, Andre Miller doesn't have to put up 15-20 shots / game, Sam can be who he truly is...a defensive stopper and 10-12 rpg guy. And, for the first time since Barkley was here, we'd have a 1/2 court offense. We'll see what E.S. does...my hunch is that Brand is a pipe dream on this board, and the Sixers will be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.
Posted 10:44 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
JJG - To answer your question...absolutely. If Elton Brand was our PF in the Detroit series...we'd still be playing right now. Iggy doesn't get triple-teamed, Andre Miller doesn't have to put up 15-20 shots / game, Sam can be who he truly is...a defensive stopper and 10-12 rpg guy. And, for the first time since Barkley was here, we'd have a 1/2 court offense. We'll see what E.S. does...my hunch is that Brand is a pipe dream on this board, and the Sixers will be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.
Posted 10:44 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
JJG - To answer your question...absolutely. If Elton Brand was our PF in the Detroit series...we'd still be playing right now. Iggy doesn't get triple-teamed, Andre Miller doesn't have to put up 15-20 shots / game, Sam can be who he truly is...a defensive stopper and 10-12 rpg guy. And, for the first time since Barkley was here, we'd have a 1/2 court offense. We'll see what E.S. does...my hunch is that Brand is a pipe dream on this board, and the Sixers will be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.
Posted 10:28 PM, 05/12/2008
jjg
Dean1, I get your desire for the big guy in LA as we have nothin' close, but there is somethin' to be said about the injury, even beyond the elite docs' prognostications. Big gamble on big money. Is the time - and incumbent talent - right for that?
Posted 10:13 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
And to Eddy Curry, Jermaine O'Neal, etc....no friggin' thanks.
Posted 10:13 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
Brand probably will not opt out. However, the way to get Brand is via a sign and trade dangling the likes of a re-signed Lou Williams (prob at $4M per), Jason Williams and a future #1 (or some deal similar to this). I don't know how the sign and trade works with a player option deal (which Brand has), but I have to assume that the Sixers wouldn't make the deal unless they had the agreement to extend him up front (or a mutual understanding to get something done during the season). Looking at the Clippers' side of things, I have to think that Donald Sterling's history would make Brand expendable at the right price, especially unloading $10M off of his books this year and not having to deal with the fans' wrath if he lets him walk at year's end. In terms of Brand's injury downside...that's why there are doctors. These guys get paid a lot of $$ to determine whether a guy is fully recovered from a major injury like a torn achilles. If Brand passes the Sixers' physical, I think you'd have to make the move if it's available to the organization.
Posted 09:27 PM, 05/12/2008
jjg
seude, You have my express permission to deal Dalembert expediently for 13 "today's catch" halibut (a faker's dozen), newspaper optional.
Posted 09:16 PM, 05/12/2008
jjg
Andrewsgvl: Simple - because they can't surround him with Toney, Erving, Jones & Malone. Starting a rook with this green crew would be a mistake, unless he's extraordinary in talent & poise. Didn't see the likes of such in college this year. Did you? Even if one is in the crop, how would Sixers land him at #16 without depleting present roster?
Posted 08:36 PM, 05/12/2008
Andrewsgvl
Mo Cheeks was a 2ed round pick and he moved Henry Bibby out. Why can't the Sixers draft a quality pg and let him start?
Posted 07:26 PM, 05/12/2008
seude
We have bloggers from all over, any in Indiana; curious about Oneal!s health, is it fixable or is he done.
Posted 07:07 PM, 05/12/2008
JDoc
I'd love to see Brand come to Philly, but everything I've read says he ISN'T going to opt out of his contract. And I doubt they trade him. So until I hear different, I'm going to consider Brand unavailable. The problem is that other than him and maybe Josh Smith, there really isn't a free agent that will make a big impact for this team next year. I don't see Atlanta letting Smith walk and I doubt any team will be thrilled with trading their restricted free agents. So E.S. is going to have to be creative in free agency and trades.
Posted 06:44 PM, 05/12/2008
bski
SUEDE: I also vote a conditional no. If you pair him with a solid offensive low post player he would probably be ok. He will be better for us if we only ask him to block shots and rebound. The less he handles the ball, the better.
Posted 06:41 PM, 05/12/2008
seude
Morty, normally I would never suggest starting a 2nd year player[J.Smith] and bringing a rookie off the bench[ R.Lopez,Hibbert, or Koufas]for a playoff bound team but Sam is not the typical,savy, veteren I wish he was. If in July Brand opts out, I would move Sam in a heartbeat because Brand can patrol the lane and we can put a high post threat, Jason, who does a lot of things better than Sam[screens,shooting,smarts]on the court next to Brand and no longer play 4 on 5 on offense.I think if given 24 minutes a night Smith will rebound good enough to make it work.
Posted 06:29 PM, 05/12/2008
Morty_
suede: Will you be OK if I vote a conditional no? Sammy is so frustrating, but the facts say that he is a good rebounder and shot blocker, So you'd need to have a contingency plan in place to move him.
Posted 06:19 PM, 05/12/2008
seude
Barton, I brought up Curry, but Sixerzguy gave a good article that told me all I needed to know.Brand is a no brainer if available but I!m looking for other options because I don!t think he will opt out and Clippers probably won!t trade a 16.5 expiring contract.Alot of serviceable options around league but none better than Love or B.Lopez.We may have to bring in a star at the 3 and a young low post player from the draft.I would love to do a poll on here as to who does and doesn!t want Sam here. I vote no.
Posted 06:00 PM, 05/12/2008
Morty_
KM: good one. Dean: for the right price Brand would be fantastic, I've alreday said that. You can't deny, however, the element of risk involved in a big money long term contract to a player coming off a major injury and entering his 30's. It's not all upside with Brand, there is a big downside potential as well. Lots of people seem to be doom and gloom, I prefer to look at a half empty glass. I also won't write off 21 year old players as never being able to develop. It will be an eventful off season, let's see what happens before killing management, shall we? Barton: Agreed about Curry. He's 6'11" and doesn't rebound or block shots, can't run - no thanks.
Posted 05:44 PM, 05/12/2008
Mike J
Actually, Bron's Max deal started this year. Still, Ed's ability to quasi-frontload offers to RFAs still applies
Posted 05:16 PM, 05/12/2008
Mike J
Marc, We disagree on this topic. A Miller has zero means to know what he wants to do until he sees the roster that will be here first. Obviously, he is going to wait to be sure Iguodala returns before he can decide on the benefits or lack to stay a Sixer. Besides,ES knows AM deserves time to ponder.At least until mid-Summer after the FA signings start up,and next year's roster takes shape.Either way,Ed needs to find a future PG to groom at least as a backup. On that subject, Delonte West is an intriguing Combo Guard whom the Cavs may be unable to keep as Brons Max deal kicks in next year. Ed can offer a deal that is structured as a decreasing per annum, such that Cavs would be deep in luxury hell if they matched. With capspace,Ed can structure unorthodox terms that others may be unwilling to match.
Posted 04:51 PM, 05/12/2008
Barton
Anyone wanting Curry must not live in the NYC area. He mopes if he doesn't get the ball every play and when he does and misses he mopes again. His next pass will be his first. At least when our bigs miss a layup it's with someone gaurding them. Curry misses uncontested layups constantly. Please NO KNICKS except perhaps Lee. I like Love from UCLA. He's athletic enough to block the lane and some shots and we have enough race horses to go with him. He also throws the outlet like Wes Unseld and lets the guards and SF's go get it.
Posted 04:37 PM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
Utah's been terrible since getting Korver. 38-13 in the regular season (.500 record before getting him) and squared after 4 games with the top seed in the West. Morty, the issue isn't with the successful 2nd half of the season...the issue is what to do going forward. Even if every one of these "younger" players become solid NBA players, it's not going to get us anywhere near contender status. Is Jason Smith a potential 20 and 10 guy every night? No way. Is Rodney Carney a potential 16-18 ppg scorer? Not from what I've seen. Is Lou Williams a top 15 starting PG in this league? Maybe (I don't think so but who knows), but he'll never be a "pass" first type guy. Will Andre Miller play at the same level in 3 or 4 years for 82 games and multiple playoff series? Probably not. Will Thad become an all-star? Maybe, but not a certainty. Even if every one of these guys develop Morty, you still don't have (1) a back to the basket force and (2) any semblence of outside shooting. Bottom line? Changes need to be made...and, this offseason with the Sixers being only 1 of 2 teams significantly under the cap provides a massive opportunity that this franchise hasn't seen since drafting Iverson in '96. A chance to build on an OK core and become really good in a hurry. However, if we spend the $$ on Charlie Villanueva, Jose Calderon (good player, but not worth 1/6 of the cap), Ronny Turiaf, Eddy Curry, or the like, it will be 5-10 years more of basketball mediocrity in this town. One chance to get one of the top 2 or 3 PFs in the entire league (read: ELTON BRAND)...we need to take full advantage of it.
Posted 04:33 PM, 05/12/2008
K,M
Morty, next thing you know there'll be calls for shaggy williams...
Posted 04:33 PM, 05/12/2008
K,M
Morty, next thing you know there'll be calls for shaggy williams...
Posted 02:14 PM, 05/12/2008
Morty_
Wow, it's like deja vu up in here with Dean pining for Billy King and Kyle Korver, and hugh bemoaning the fact that the Sixers didn't tank. Was a very successful 2nd half of the season, with multiple very young players showing they can play well in the league, just a dream? It's less than 2 months until the draft, and free agency starts soon after that. Relax, fellas.
Posted 01:02 PM, 05/12/2008
BFrank
Hugh, by playing the kind of ball the Sixers did and the fact that the Sixers are sitting on $10M in cap space gives Miller three times the value now that he did at the trade deadline.
Posted 12:45 PM, 05/12/2008
cosmic
Brand is not the savior, for this franchise, 6er's need more the Brand. The 6er's won without him and the 6er's will continue to win without Brand.
Posted 12:22 PM, 05/12/2008
hugh
Why would the Knicks trade a potential #1 pick for Sam and Carney? They should have traded Miller, like I said, at the deadline - not won all of those games - got in the lottery and we would be better off and would have more cap room - we would also have gotten a chance to see more of Lou Williams at both positions. Instead, we got to see Sam Dalembert become Travis Bickle in Game 5.
Posted 10:53 AM, 05/12/2008
AaronMcKie4MVP
Elton Brand is a must if you want to make a serious move to be a contender. he is the best free agent available. it seems many of the bloggers here are happy with mediocrity. the lineup i originally suggested is realistically obtainable and will win the East - Brand/Dalembert/Thaddeus/Andre Miller/Mike Miller - and off the bench with Jason Smith, Lou Williams, Carney, Evans and whoever else we get in the mike miller/Iggy trade.
Posted 10:05 AM, 05/12/2008
derrickwh
JBP: I couldn't agree more. Eddie Curry???? He's fat and lazy. You guys would be booing him after the first 5 minutes of the first pre-season game. Please, no more talk of any trades with the Knicks.
Posted 09:05 AM, 05/12/2008
JBP
Curry...are you kidding me! One dimensional, bad health risk, losing team player...you must be kidding me! Ed knows he will need to give up some promising young talent from our roster to get a SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE AT ANY POSITION. Curry is not a SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE!
Posted 08:32 AM, 05/12/2008
Dean1
JKay - Agreed.
Posted 06:55 AM, 05/12/2008
jkay
jdoc; supposing thats within the realm of possibility, there's one fatal flaw in ur whole philosophy: the resulting team is mediocre. they wud never grow to be anything big...kinda like the wizards (good team but nothing more)
Posted 03:48 AM, 05/12/2008
JDoc
And if the Sixers could some how pull off that trade above and get Calderon, maybe Seattle would be interested in Miller to lead that young team. Maybe send Miller to Seattle for Wilcox and the first round pick that got from Pheonix, #24. Seattle gets their vet PG to lead Durant and Green plus they already have a top 5 pick and 4 second rounders so they might give up the #24 pick. Wilcox would move into our F rotation. Ed could package 2 or 3 of the 1st round picks and move up or he could just sit there and take players like McGee(C,Nevada) and Budinger(SG, Arizona) with the 16 and 17 picks and get Rush(SF,Kansas) or Green(SF,Syracuse) with the 24 pick. This gives the Sixers a solid starting 5 of Calderon, Iggy, Thad, Wilcox, and Nesterovic with Lou Will, Reggie, Ja. Smith, and the 3 draft picks coming off the bench. Of course this is all just wishful thinking and I doubt it could happen. But hey it doesn't hurt to dream!
Posted 02:55 AM, 05/12/2008
JDoc
As I wrote above, I'm a big fan of Calderon. I just read he has come out and said he doesn't want to return to Toronto if he isn't the starting PG next year. I can't see them moving TJ Ford because of his health issues so they might have no choice but to move Calderon. So what does Toronto need? A better C and scoring off the bench. So does Sammy, Carney or Green, and Utah's pick next year get the Sixers Calderon, Nesterovic, and their 1st round pick this year? This would give Toronto what they need. And it gives the Sixers their PG for the next several years and 2 1st round picks this year(#16,#17). Plus it gives Ed S. 2 $10 million expiring contracts(Miller,Nesterovic) to move to get that PF and/or C we need. They could draft the two best players available at #16 and 17 and add depth to the bench. We would have Calderon and Iggy starting at the G spots with Lou Will and Green/Carney(who ever isn't involved in the trade) coming off the bench. The F spots would be Thad and who ever they trade Miller for(maybe Wilcox from Seattle). Nesterovic could start at C. That gives you Reggie and Ja. Smith coming off the bench. They use their draft picks on a C like Hibbert or the other Lopez and the other pick on a SF the can shoot from outside. They go into the season with that team and then trade Nesterovic at the dead line next year for the best deal or they just let him walk and clear cap space. This plan solves all their problems and doesn't disrupt much of the core players like Iggy, Lou Will, Thad, Reggie, Smith.
Posted 01:08 AM, 05/12/2008
cosmic
Miller, he can shoot! So can Gilbert Arenas. Plus Gilbert is free agent and 6er's don't have trade none of the players to get him! For get Gilbert, 6er's can pursue Monta Ellis. I would take Ellis over Miller! 6er's still don't have to trade a player to get Monta Ellis!
Posted 12:48 AM, 05/12/2008
cosmic
Brand wants to resign with clippers. You mean to tell me an all star caliber player wants to resign with a losing team. Brand does not want to win, he wants to get payed, because he knows his window of money opportunity is dwindling. At least one thing I can say about the 6er's we have guys with good character and they want to win! That is why I said that the guys you suggest are not winners! I want winners!
Posted 12:38 AM, 05/12/2008
cosmic
I don't like Elton Brand for the 6er's! He has been hurt, I don't think he would last a whole season! Is he good player, no doubt, so was chris webber before he got hurt. Ed would be foolish to go after damage goods. If the sixers was a player away from a championship, than I might consider, pursuing Brand. But the 6er's barely made the playoffs, and the 6er's are two or three players away, plus they have to sign the players they already have.
Posted 11:29 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Dean, I think the being on a losing team argument is a bit overrated. Because of the cap more guys are traded for their cap worth and number of years than their actuall talent. A guy has to show up for work whether he likes where he is at or not.
Posted 11:22 PM, 05/11/2008
Dean1
Cosmic: You can't win in this league unless you have a legitimate back to the basket threat (unless Michael Jordan resides on your team, which last I checked, he does not). The only legitimate post-up threat available is Elton Brand...to say you wouldn't trade Lou Williams, Jason Smith, and a #1 for Elton Brand is pretty ridiculous. If you don't want to trade Andre Miller and Carney to the Griz for Mike Miller and Kyle Lowry...that's debateable either way. But Elton Brand?? You gotta be kidding me if you don't want him here. To say that all he's done is get his team to the lottery is pretty ignorant. He hasn't ever had any talent around him except for one year (coincidentally, the Clips had a great season that year). And I could care less if our team philosophy "slows down" a bit with Brand...style doesn't win championships...cohesive TALENT wins championships. If Ed S. spends our money on guys like Charlie Villanueva, DeSegana Diop, Ronny Turiaf, or even Josh Smith, he doesn't deserve to be running an NBA franchise (which, as stated above, I suspect he doesn't deserve to be anyway).
Posted 11:20 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Sixerzguy, telling article; loved the scouting report; does raise questions, no doubt.
Posted 11:05 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
He is a year younger thanSam and D.Howard and Bynum won!t push him aside. All these playoff teams are long at the forward position.Kirilenko looked taller than Okur out there. Iggy has to be our 2, seems 6!6" small forwards are a thing of the past.
Posted 11:04 PM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
We don't have to trade Nba player for another Nba player. But we do have to trade a player for a lottery pick!
Posted 11:03 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
Found it... http://nymag.com/news/sports/45787/
Posted 10:55 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
Can't find that piece on the Knicks... If I remember correctly, that article was a pretty thorough account of the Knicks as a disaster, and it was very critical of a lot of people, but not the following guys: Nate Robinson, David Lee, Jamal Crawford and Eddy Curry.
Posted 10:53 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Cosmic, I think every move this summer should be made to improve our 1/2 court game. Low post player,shooter, and a defensive 4/5 would be tops on my list.Been watching most of the playoffs, fast break oppurtunities are few and far between.Like our fast trapping 2nd unit but we didn!t trap much in the Det. series, guards too smart I guess.
Posted 10:47 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Cosmic, somebody has to start the break. K.Love is no track star but he played on one of the fastest teams in college and ,Sixerzguy, I take Love or Gordon at 5.
Posted 10:42 PM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
No I would not do that trade? Because I like our style of play(fast Break) and your be taking a big part of 6er's fast break away.
Posted 10:41 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
Let me try to find that one article I read about how Curry tries his best to make people happy...
Posted 10:40 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
So Knicks have Calderon, Crawford, Q-Tip, Nate Rob, David Lee, Randolph, #16(Budinger), Sammy, Carney. We get Curry, Balkman, #5(O.J. Mayo, at point). Knicks get the 3-point shooting they want, we have our PG of the future. But not a huge Curry fan, although from what I've read he seems like a decent guy, more than willing to be 2nd banana.
Posted 10:38 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
From what!s been on the net, they would love to trade Ford and keep Calderon but with the injury issues that may be tough.Calderon would be perfect here.
Posted 10:31 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
suede, it depends on whether or not Knicks aren't in top 3, and if they sign away Calderon. I say D'Antoni, with Cablevision's deep pockets, offers Calderon $12M/yr, like Nash.
Posted 10:30 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Sixerzguy, one name [B.Bass].
Posted 10:27 PM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
I like winners. When Ed draft, I hope he draft a player from a winning Program. When Ed sign a free agent, again I hope he is an all star or all star caliber player.
Posted 10:27 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Cosmic, if your Walsh would you consider Sam, Carney,#16 this year and the Utah #1 for Curry,Balkman, and your #1 [1 to 8 possible].
Posted 10:27 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
suede, Dallas?
Posted 10:19 PM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
Dean I would not trade the 6ers core for Brand, Miller and Lowry. What did any of those guys get, there team? One place, the lottery!
Posted 10:15 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Rumor has it D1antoni used 1/2 his first year salary on his phone bill this weekend.Dallas,Charlotte and New York should be on E.S.!S speeddial.
Posted 10:07 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Blski, Jason may not reach Okurs level, but he seems more athletic and capable of covering p.f.!s.Sixerzguy, agree about Carney, a B.Bowen type level should not be good enough with his athletism.We have 2 not so bright players,Sam and Rodney, that makes it a need to have guys like A.Miller or Brand on the team with them.As hard as I try I can not picture Sam ever going deep into the playoffs.
Posted 09:59 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
suede, Carney grew on me, but he still gives me the feeling that he thinks he's hot stuff, that he's not happy being a role player. If we trade him and he does well in a SG role somewhere else, it wouldn't be a steal for the other team, there was just no room for him and his ego here. Of course, the trade would have to be for a known-commodity veteran role-player, like Kyle Korver, or Morris Peterson, someone who wouldn't come in here and complain about minutes. I'll tell you one thing I really like about LouWill - he seems to be content in that 6th man role, have you ever heard him complain about not playing? If we can get Jason and him coming off the bench, for not too much $$$, that's a definite step forward. The psychological profiles of players seem to be very important nowadays.
Posted 09:58 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
SIXERZGUY: I agree that Jason should be a part of the core. Look at what Okur does for Utah. Okur was not Okur when he was in Detroit. They only kept him for 2 years. He has certainly developed over the last few years in Utah. I'm not saying Jason will develop into an Okur-like talent. He may not have that high a ceiling. Also, Cheeks is no Jerry Sloan. What I am saying is I think he is worth keeping for a few years to see where he goes. You can see he's a player who needs some time.
Posted 09:57 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Sixerzguy, me and S.F.W. were just talking about Jason.My feeling is as long as Sam is our center, Jason won!t get a fair shake.Curry, or a low post center of your choice allows Jason to play the 4 and blossom.
Posted 09:41 PM, 05/11/2008
sixerzguy
sfw, IF you were to have a core, I agree with suede in that Jason should be a part of it. I'll tell you two things Jason's showed - ability to learn, and basketball IQ. Did anyone else notice that he improved on his boxing out and rebounding in the Detroit series? How about when Detroit was destroying us in the first quarter of Game 6, he was the first guy Mo put in. Why? Because Detroit was making Sam and Reggie dizzy with all their movement, but that doesn't happen to Jason so easily. Plus, he has that jumper, which isn't too reliable right now, but will develop with time. Look at how much of a weapon a big guy with a jumper has been in the 2nd round of these playoffs. If we keep him, one day we'll get to a point where, if he's open and that shot is there for him (and it was there very often for him this year, he just didn't shoot), Mo will have him take it every time. What he didn't show is that if we play that up-tempo game, he can't do as much as Sam and Reggie, and that he can't do much with isolations, but so what? Watching this 2nd round, the teams still standing aren't running isolations for their big guys at the end of games. They use ball movement and off-the-ball movement for the majority of their plays, and Jason would be great for that. BUT if all Mo wants to do is run and cause turnovers and have a halfcourt offense consisting of clearing out for Iggy and our future PF, then Jason has no place here. One of these 4 2nd round Western Conference playoff teams will gladly take him.
Posted 09:09 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
DEAN: That's exactly what we are striving for. As long as we add quality players in front of Sam and Reggie so they only play limited minutes, that could certainly work.
Posted 09:02 PM, 05/11/2008
Dean1
Here's basically the option on the table. Would you trade Andre Miller, Lou Williams, Jason Smith, Rodney Carney, and possibly a future #1 for Elton Brand, Mike Miller, and Kyle Lowry? A good pt. guard, 3 young players (no idea how each will turn out) for a perennial all-star in the prime of his career (one of the top low-post threats out there), one of the best shooters in the NBA (who may be on the Olympic team), and your PG of the future. Your core team for the next 5-6 years would be Iggy, Brand, Thad, Sam, Reggie, Mike Miller, Kyle Lowry, and whoever gets drafted this year. That's a championship caliber team. Isn't that what we're striving for here?
Posted 08:13 PM, 05/11/2008
sfw
I would not put Rodney in a core group. He will be nothing but a role player. Get rid of him if you can for value asap. Jason also has done nothing to indicate he should be a core member. He may just be a role player. Don't know yet. Lou, Thad & Iggy with A. Miller and Sammy if can't get good value. That I believe is the core right now. Need a true PF to add to that group. Right now that is reggieE.
Posted 07:45 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
SEUDE: Glad to see you outlining a core group: Jason, Lou, Rodney, Thad, AI
Posted 07:41 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
DBEAS, can!t get M.Miller and Brand without losing A.Miller.Cap room covers Brand, if he opts, have to trade toget M.Miller. Dbeas, if Brand doesn!t opt out, that is the problem. A way to get a proven post player.
Posted 07:41 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
DBEAS: Thanks for distilling my last few long-winded posts down to their essence.
Posted 07:36 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
I think Jason could florish next to a low post center; Don!t want to lose Jason, L.Will. or Rodney but won!t fool myself into thinking Willie and Reggie [7 mill.] get us much.Brand is the key but other low post options are few and far between.
Posted 07:26 PM, 05/11/2008
dbeas
what happened to the simple talk of just obtaining m. miller and brand? where is all of this insane rhetoric of blowing up the 6ers is coming from? how important is chemistry in all these crazy deals you're talking about suede? getting older is the way to go if you want to win a championship. who are you planning on drafting with this pick?
Posted 07:25 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
SEUDE: You will get no argument from me regarding Sam. You are spot on wanting a center that draws double teams. I don't think we win a championship with him, unless he only plays 15 mins per game. That will only give him enough time for 3 boneheaded plays per game. I don't have a problem with the moves you suggest(I actually like a lot of them), just the volume of moves all at one time. Again, I understand the frustration of being fooled thinking we are closer than we are, but bringing in 6 new guys at once can be problematic as well. Funny thing is that Cheeks went through a similar thing in Portland. They made a bunch of moves and loaded up on players. They went 10 deep and had 2 starting fives of quality players but it didn't work out. Maybe this is more a cautionary tale about Cheeks than the players, but I don't think so. You know as well as I do that just putting a bunch of quality players together doesn't guarantee success. I think we have a core that plays well together. Granted they are not Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli, but they are a decent start. We are closer than you think on this issue. I just favor going a bit slower to allow a bit of time to assess how each move is or is not working for us.
Posted 07:01 PM, 05/11/2008
seude
Blski, again today watched Utah game and get frustrated when people think we are close. s.a. put 3 stars together and now retool role players every year,hope we do the same.Had free time this weekend and tried to come up with ways to improve without Thad and Iggy being touched.I!ll explain my thinking on Curry.All year long opposing big man play off of Sam and block every thing in sight, plus when is the last time Sam got a player off the floor because of foul trouble. Sam is better defensively but still gets overpowered occasionally and realistically Curry is a 24 to 28 minute a night player.It would be nice to have a center that draws a doubleteam instead of no defenders.Diop will be available although Jason is a nice backup.Turiaf looks very good defensively in the Utah series, very aggressive.
Posted 03:40 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
I understand the strike while the iron is hot mentality, but I don't think we need to do everything right now. What happens if we blow our load this year and it doesn't work out? Remember as well that ES said ownership is willing to pay the luxury tax for a major pickup. So we will have options in the future. I admire your passion and creativity, but I just can't go that far with you.
Posted 03:36 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
SEUDE: I agree with some of what you say, but not all. I agree we need 2 players better than anybody we currently have. I agree that we need to turn our cap space, draft pick and available pieces into major upgrades to the roster. I do not agree that we need to turn over half the roster right now to get that done. I don't agree that allowing our young guys to grow is playing it safe. Here's how I see it: Keep AI and L.Will. both of them have improved every year and there's no reason to think they will not improve next year as well. Thad made tremendous progress this year and you have to believe he will continue to show marked improvement. We can use our cap space to bring in a major player. Package a player or two and our #16 pick to move up in the draft like you suggest, which should get us another impact player. Then I would do like Morty suggests. Keep A.Miller for the entire year. Go get our PG of the not so distant future now(maybe with the draft pick?) and let him and L.Will fight it out with the best man taking over next year if need be. We can try to work out a short-term, reasonable contract with Miller after next season if we feel the need, otherwise we let him walk, let the new PG take over and clear 10 mil off the cap in one swoop. If you prefer, we can look to move Miller at the trade deadline to pick up another major piece. If we go at it this way, we leave ourselves options for the future. I don't think picking up a couple major pieces now, allowing them to come together with what we have, keeping Miller for the year, and allowing our young guys another year of growth is a play it safe mentality. We can still be a player in next year's free agent market with Miller's 10 mil off the books and we will still have some pieces to move to address other areas if need be. I think we have just as good a chance of treading water by doing major revamping of the roster as we do if we hold on to guys.
Posted 03:16 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
fantastic. I tried to post earlier this morning but it got lost in the ether somewhere. I am going to try again.
Posted 03:15 PM, 05/11/2008
bski
testing, 1-2-3
Posted 10:25 AM, 05/11/2008
seude
I would trade all of the above for a chance to get a top 5 pick. Cosmic, if your Walsh and Diantoni,you wouldn!t consider it?
Posted 10:21 AM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
Seude you think the Knicks got stupid written on their foreheads! SAM and Smith and Carney aren't going anywhere. If you trade Sam and Smith, than who is going to stop teams from getting layup after layup. Ed likes carney, and smith is still unproven.
Posted 10:21 AM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
Seude you think the Knicks got stupid written on their foreheads! SAM and Smith and Carney aren't going anywhere. If you trade Sam and Smith, than who is going to stop teams from getting layup after layup. Ed likes carney, and smith is still unproven.
Posted 10:17 AM, 05/11/2008
seude
Bynum, a better player than anybody we have.
Posted 10:15 AM, 05/11/2008
seude
Cosmic, he misunderstood what I said; I meant L.A. may win a title without
Posted 10:15 AM, 05/11/2008
seude
Cosmic, he misunderstood what I said; I meant L.A. may win a title without
Posted 10:04 AM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
SWF, Why would Kobe, Gasol, and odom leave a championship team?
Posted 08:20 AM, 05/11/2008
seude
By the way that is Sam and any combo of the choices next to his name. Curry is Shaqlike on the low block and with Diop or J.Smith backing him up we are better at the 5. Watching the playoff there is real physical play and we are not going to be able to run all the time.Have a second trapping unit that pushes the ball and use it in spurts,75 % is 1/2 court play, in the words of S.Connery;"don!t bring a knife to a gun fight!!!".
Posted 08:09 AM, 05/11/2008
seude
Simple trade to get in the lottery.Sam and either J.Smith or Carney or #16 pick for Curry and Knicks #1. Sam is a journeyman player,who in a playoff series gets exposed.You only add Curry if you get a 4 that can defend.Walsh and D!antoni need athletes, we need a low post threat,plus Curry won!t get cleared out and be out of position like Sam.Turiaf attacks the ball like Sam but at least can be a factor on offense.If Brand doesn!t opt out how do we get a star?Josh Smith,Artest,Odom,Okafor,E.Gordon,R.Jefferson,M.Redd,T.J.Ford are journeymen?
Posted 07:03 AM, 05/11/2008
sfw
Kobe Bryant? Gasol? OdOm? explain.
Posted 02:29 AM, 05/11/2008
cosmic
Seude, how are the 6er's going to get those lottery pick players, you just suggested without trading Miller? Another thing, most of the players you mention are journey men players, their not all stars. If the 6ers are going to build a championship team, 6er's need all stars players. If Ed sign second tier players, than the 6er's are going to be going around in circles.
Posted 12:49 AM, 05/11/2008
seude
Getting better and making the playoffs is the easy part, the next steps are the toughest.The Lakers might win it all without a player better than anybody we have.We can become the Eagles of the N.B.A. or we can try to win it all.
Posted 10:25 PM, 05/10/2008
sfw
They've been on a team on the rise. Not a doormat. In fact what has been the sixers record with AMiller in uniform? Iggy also has become prominent since AI left the team.
Posted 08:15 PM, 05/10/2008
seude
Guess we should get rid of Iggy and A.Miller,they have been on a losing team the last 2 years.We need to get bigger, stronger and more talented. Turiaf can serve Sam!s role of patroling the lane at half the price.
Posted 07:40 PM, 05/10/2008
sfw
Wow. Suede, You must be speeding. Love to have players from losing clubs on the 76ers. ECurry, great player. MMiller, as a corner stone of his team, have they won? Maybe, he's part of the problem. Villanueva? Diop? Artest? he'd probably love the night life. M. Redd? Love his shot but not his 'D'. I hope you put all those scenario's on paper. Got to get back to "On golden pond". Trying to come down off your post.
Posted 06:24 PM, 05/10/2008
seude
S.F.W., Totally disagree with the add a few pieces and play it safe mentality. Iggy is the 3rd or 4th best player on 7 of the 8 teams left[ Cleveland excluded] We, as constituted, can not possibly win a championship in the next 5 years if 2 things don!t happen.1} Brand opts out, signs, and is healthy;2]Thad becomes a star [20 to 25 ppg.] in the next 3 years.We need 2 players better than anybody currently here, its obvious when watching the playoffs.We are, after this year, never going to get a high draft pick or have cap space like we currently have.With D!antoni and Skiles getting the N.York and Milwaukee jobs we should strike while the iron is hot.The following lineups are all doable and better ,I think, than what we have if we add Brand and a draft pick. #1]E.Curry,Turiaf,Iggy,E.Gordon,A.Miller;Diop,R.Evans,T.Young,L.Williams; #2]Jas.Smith,Josh Smith,M.Miller,Iggy, T.J.Ford;K.Humphries,Cr.Smith,T.Young,K.Lowry; 3]Jas.Smith,Okafor,M.Miller,Iggy,Felton;R.Evans,T.Young,Carney,L.Will.,Lowry; 4]E.Curry,Jas.Smith,T.Young,Iggy,M.Williams;R.Evans,Villanueva,B.Rush, L.Will.; 5]Sammy, Artest,T.Young,Iggy,T.J.Ford; Turiaf,R.Evans,Garcia,L.Will.;6] E.Curry,L.Odom,T.Young,O.J.Mayo,A.Miller;R.Evans, Pietrus,Carney,L.Will.;7]Jas.Smith,Brand,R.Jefferson,Iggy,A.Miller;R.Lopez,T.Young,W.Green, L.Will.;8] Sammy,Jamison,T.Young,M.Redd,T.J.Ford;Jas.Smith,C.Villanueva,Carney,L.Will.;9]E.Curry, K.Love,T.Young,Iggy, A.Miller;Diop,Jas.Smith,Pietrus, L.Will.;10]Sammy,Brand,T.Outlaw,Iggy,S.Blake;Jas.Smith,Cr.Smith,T.Young,Westbrook.All these lineups are doable, any questions I will gladly answer.
Posted 03:31 PM, 05/10/2008
Barton
Suede, I also agree that AMiller seemed to wear down. The 6ers can remedy that by doing two things. ONE: Give LWill 5 - 10 minutes more at the point with AI at the two. He's got to learn sometime. TWO: Get that back-to-the-basket PF. This will lower the fast breaks by 5 or so a game, which will save a little wear and tear on both Andres. A few half court sets a game may not sound like much, but over the course of a full season it adds up.
Posted 03:30 PM, 05/10/2008
Dean1
Here's what I'd like to know...how did Ed Stefanski get the reputation as such a phenomenal talent evaluator? Because he helped select Richard Jefferson in NJ? Or, because the Nets got Jason Kidd at a bargain basement price after he beat the garbage out of his wife? He's been a part of NBA basketball for a grand total of 8 years. Before that, he was a mortgage broker...it wasn't like he was in the college ranks or anything. The way the Korver situation was handled, I have some big-time doubts about Ed. Whether Kyle should have been traded or not (and I'm on the "not" side of the fence) is not the only real issue here...it's when he was traded. The end of December, two whole months before the trade deadline...my suspicion is that the Sixers could have gotten more if they had waited till February when there would have undoubtedly been more suitors. Also, if we wanted to make a move at the deadline, the addition of Korver into the deal might have given us much more leverage in the market. We'll see what Ed does in the offseason (I'll give him a chance), but thus far, I'm not impressed.
Posted 02:03 PM, 05/10/2008
sfw
JDoc, if the Lakers don't win it all, it may be due to not having Bynum in the middle. Their point guard spot with Fisher and the UCLA kid is pretty good. Yes. if AMiller implies his preference for the west coast let's try to accomodate him but for fair market value...... I hate to give up Lou Will before he's fulfilled his potential but for Calderon that is intriguing. I love Lou's personality on the court. Hate to lose him.
Posted 01:51 PM, 05/10/2008
JDoc
Here's another thought: If the Lakers don't win it all this year, do you think they would want Miller? Miller at PG with Bryant, Odom, Gasol, and Bynum would be insane! They want to win it now, so does Miller get Farmar and Turiaf? I'd do that deal if I'm Ed and if the Lakers want to win that bad maybe they do it. Just a thought. PS- If Ed can't get Calderon or the above trade then trade up in the draft and take Westbrook(PG,UCLA). He has size and ability. AND TRADE SAMMY D!
Posted 01:17 PM, 05/10/2008
JDoc
I emailed Marc about this very subject earlier this week. Miller's comments have me a little concerned. I'm not sure he will sign an extension here. I believe he wants to be on the west coast, closer to home. If this is the case, then they need to find his replacement now! I'd make Calderon my priority if I was E.S.. I know he is restricted but he would be the perfect fit. I'd work out some sign-n-trade deal for him. Maybe Green, Carney, or Lou Will and Utah's pick next year. This would make Miller expendable this off season. E.S. could trade Miller for the PF or 3-pt threat we need. Plus we would still have the #16 pick to work with.
Posted 01:07 PM, 05/10/2008
cosmic
If the Sixers didn't make the playoffs would still want Miller? Yes Miller was the engine that made the Sixers go, but their are other engines out their too. You can't fall in love with players, that is why the Sixers lost, because Moe reluctant s to play his bench and that wore players out. Their is no reason not to play Kevin Ollie and Booth during the regular season and playoffs! If ED is the Great talent evaluator, as his reputation says he is, lets put him to the test! If the sixers can trade miller for a draft pick, and get player that is serviceable for the next 6 years than why keep Miller who is serviceable for 1 or 2 years.
Posted 12:57 PM, 05/10/2008
sixerzguy
hugh, agree on Sam, there's no way he plays at crunch time for any of the 4 West teams. I think he can be effective during the regular season because teams don't have the scouting time to figure out the Sixers' weaknesses when Sam's on the floor. But if we played ANY team in a series, Sam would be great for the first game or two, but after learning more about him, the other coach (like Flip Saunders) would be able to just turn that around and make him an embarrassing liability.
Posted 12:36 PM, 05/10/2008
sixerzguy
sfw, about Koufos, I forgot the personality angle. We can't rely on someone filling a need for us if he doesn't WANT to, even if he was capable of doing so.
Posted 11:15 AM, 05/10/2008
dpcoz
is that guy in your "Deep Sixer" logo picking his teeth or biting his fingernails?
Posted 10:38 AM, 05/10/2008
Morty_
My personal opinion on Miller, as stated above, is to not trade him. Let him play out this coming season while drafting, trading for or signing a potential replacement this off season. That addition can battle for the job with Lou, and let the best player win. Meanwhile, Miller's departure frees up 10 mil so that we can be a player again next off season. If Miller blows us away with his play, I would explore a 2-3 year deal for 7-8 mil per year.
Posted 10:23 AM, 05/10/2008
sfw
Sixerz. If Love develops his body I think he could be Boozer like. Unfortunately I doubt if that will happen before the draft; So, we won't know.Not a fan of Koufos. He looks to me like his preference is to be Dirk without the talent or skills. If he wants to be a center with perimeter game(OKUR like) , it might work.... Barton, good points......... Hugh, I love your humility.
Posted 10:10 AM, 05/10/2008
hugh
Sixerzguy, The similarities you point out are the ones I have been pointing out over the past few months. This is what I have been preaching to you all - I am glad that you are starting to understand what it takes to win. SMART play - not just athleticism and size. This is why Sam is and has always been in my dog-house. Chandler is the perfect comparison to Sam - he is similar in size and athleticism as well as age and they came out in the same year - who would you rather have. They are similar skill-wise, but Chandler knows the game better. He is often in the right spot at the right time and he doesn't have brain freezes like SD. We should have done that sign and trade when we had the chance.
Posted 09:44 AM, 05/10/2008
Barton
Miller is from Compton and it seems that he is longing to go West. I think they really need to sit him down and find out what HE wants. I'd hate to lose him this year because I think LWill could use another year learning the point without having to start there. He is the future and I do mean at the point. Once he learns the position he will be an upgrade over Andre, who aint too bad. The question is do you get rid of him in a trade to get something out of it, or do you let next year play out because what he gives us in terms of LWill's growth is worth more than what we might get in a trade. The problem is when listening to Miller he is so quiet and private that it is hard to get a good read on the guy. But Ed and Mo know him better than any of us posters ever will.
Posted 09:06 AM, 05/10/2008
sixerzguy
I'm starting to lean towards taking Kosta Koufos with our pick at #16 if he's around. What I like, based on what I've read (draftexpress, nbadraft.net, other places): big NBA body, legit 7', solid defensively, can give you some offense. People are too focused on his shortcomings, but I think what he's good at really fills some needs the Sixers have, given our current team. Of course trades change all that...
Posted 08:54 AM, 05/10/2008
sixerzguy
sfw, Kevin Love's offense is better than Boozer's, but can he deploy it against NBA frontlines? If Kevin Love ever develops the strength to be able to bully his way to points, watch out....
Posted 08:50 AM, 05/10/2008
sixerzguy
I hate this format..... smart, multi-talented Sixers: Andre Iguodala, Andre Miller, Thaddeus Young, Jason Smith.
Posted 08:44 AM, 05/10/2008
sixerzguy
Calderon says he wants to start - what is Toronto going to do?
Posted 08:43 AM, 05/10/2008
bski
SFW: I agree that Miller is a vital component. I also agree that we can't tear apart what we have. As I said last night, We have made significant progress this year. We need to add a couple key pieces to what is already here to improve the whole. I am worried about too much movement of players and us treading water or going backwards during a prolonged adjustment period for players and coaches. ES has stated this past week that the Sixers now have an identity, so it sounds to me like he is of the same mind and is just planning on adding a couple pieces to our core.
Posted 08:42 AM, 05/10/2008
sixerzguy
Similarities between the West's final four..... 1) Smart players..... 2) Smart coaches..... 3) multi-talented..... 4) not the most athletic guys
Posted 08:33 AM, 05/10/2008
bski
SEUDE: That is exactly what we were talking about last night. Extend Miller because is is very valuable to the team but gradually decrease his minutes as we phase in the next PG. Do you think since Miller and Brand were teammates with the Clippers in 02-03 will have any bearing on what happens with either of them? Could it be possible that Brand would come here if we extend Miller or that Miller will decide to stay if we get Brand?
Posted 08:16 AM, 05/10/2008
seude
The only reason I would trade A.Miller is because of what I saw at the end of the Det. series.If I!M E!S. I give Mo another "suggestion" ;A.Miller gets limited to 30 min. a night.J.Kay, well said, it just scared me watching his shots come up short in the last 3 games of thart series. He never rests either, an admirable quality but at this time of his career cutting his minutes in blowouts is VERY important.Plan A and B are Brand and Jamison, I!M assuming, love to see the others.