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Sunday, May 4, 2008
Memphis' Miller Heads Reporter's Wish List

One thing that the Detroit Pistons series showed the 76ers was that they still have a long way to go to get to that next level. Which is why the offseason will be interesting.

There have already been many great suggestions from the fans of this blog and to my e-mail on what the Sixers should do. For the next few months we will be dealing a lot with this topic.

If this reporter had one player he would try to land, it would be Mike Miller of Memphis.

As mentioned in Sunday's Inquirer, Miller has two years and almost $19 million left on his contract. He is 28, in the prime of his career and if I were coach K, he'd be on my Olympic team.

Miller gives the Sixers something they desperately need - perimeter shooting.

Memphis almost dealt him to Miami at the trade deadline. The key question is whether the Sixers have the players or draft choices that Memphis would desire.

To be fair to both teams, this is all speculation. We know the Sixers like Miller's game, but do they like it enough to pursue a trade?

And if Memphis is no longer looking to dump salary as it did in the Pau Gasol deal, then the Sixers may not be the best fit.

We know the need the Sixers have for a low-post presence. But after seeing Rasheed Wallace connect on more three pointers than the entire Sixers team during the Pistons series, the lack of a perimeter game has to be addressed.

And who better to address it with than somebody who shot 50.2 percent from the field and 43.2 percent from three-point range for a team that finished tied for the third worst record in the NBA?

 

Posted by Marc Narducci @ 2:03 PM  Permalink | 85 comments
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Posted 01:28 PM, 05/06/2008
jjg
Wouldn't bet on Miller being selected to Olympic team by Coach K as he doesn't appear to be a floor-slappin', Doberman-D sort in the least. Of course, "swishes" can trump "growls" on occasion.
Posted 12:41 PM, 05/06/2008
RE
I live in DC and watched Hibbert play four times this year plus a few more on TV. Trust me - he will be nothing more than possibly a 10 - 15 minute per game backup. I saw him dunk once in all those games. He hates contact and never attacks the rim. He was much better his junior season. Not very often you can teach someone to be aggresive. Best thing to consider when looking to draft players - don't expect them to become something they haven't already shown. More or less, they are what they are.
Posted 12:31 PM, 05/06/2008
hugh
Drew Gooden is like about 50% of the NBA - completely one-dimensional. He is a glorified Reggie Evans, and I would rather have Evans. If Mo doesn't like Miller (which I don't think is true) - than it is tough $^%*. In my opinion, Mo is not the kind of head coach that you want leading your team through the playoffs anyway - he is a great guy and it is why everyone has trouble admitting it. He was a great player himself, but from a coaching standpoint - I have never been a big fan of his. I remember when he first got here - I would have to turn games off, because it would be like street ball - he couldn't instill ANY discipline in Allen and I don't think they ran 10 designed plays the entire year. Again, I like Mo, and I would hate to see him go - but as a head guy, I don't think he is a very good coach - maybe he will improve and maybe he is the best thing for the team we have right now - I don't know - but I would like to see a guy like Carlisle or Van Gundy get the job. As for Sam, this is where I'm at - even if we get a good PF and a good shooter and we start to improve - and even if he gets better as we improve - there will be a time in a game where he completely loses focus and does something boneheaded that costs us the game - he will never be reliable in this regard. If we can get a low-post PF in the off-season and can buy into the 2nd round and take a shot-blocking big guy there, who needs time to develop - it would be the same thing, in my opinion, as having Sammy - but for far less $$. Even if we lose and don't make the playoffs - we will be in the lottery and will be able to get another impact player - possibly a stud PG for the future (i.e. C. Paul or D. Rose).
Posted 11:43 AM, 05/06/2008
Zeke
Cosmic made a comment a while ago that Mike Miller is not "Mo's type of player" because he is no different from Korver. It has been proven and admitted that Mo and Lynam had to be overruled by Stef. to make the Korver trade. The coaching staff didn't want to trade him. I don't see why Mo wouldn't wnat Miller. Drew Gooden is HORRIBLE. I actually like the idea of Biedrins from Golden State to take Sammy's place.
Posted 10:56 AM, 05/06/2008
K,M
Dean, since you ask, i'll reply. I have no idea if Sterling would turn that offer down. And I'm not trying to be a wise a$$, but neither does anyone else. My point is that all a smart GM always has a plan B. Your trade scenarios can be interesting, but in reality (even if the GM's agree) those multi-player deals can wind up scuttled for the silliest of reasons (remember the Jason Kidd trade, version 1?). Im not trying to say you ARE wrong, just that often you present your ideas as if there's not a possibility you could be wrong. Bottom line: OK, Brand is a great player and everyone agrees on that - not much else to discuss there. But What if that doesn't work out? But since i've got my toe in the water now, I'll throw it out there that those teams who are aging and were involved in large trades this year that didn't work out (PHX, Dallas) may be looking to retool a bit. I'd be curious if anyone has thoughts on that - its always better IMO to get guys from a winning team if possible.
Posted 10:28 AM, 05/06/2008
jjg
SwollCracker, Miller doesn't have Larry's "Here I Come" quiet swagger & flexed-arms shuffle trot; can't see the court or run the break like "Boom Boom" did either. And he wouldn't know a Railsplitter from a banana split. *** Remember, LC was drafted by Bulls, 4 spots behind Lew Alcindor. *** Averaged 26.6, 4.2, 5.2 for 70-71 Denver Rockets in guard tandem with Ralph Simpson (big shooting guard, Mich St); teammate Larry "the right way" Brown averaged 7.1, 1.7, 5.2. Must've played the wrong way a lot--team finished 30-54, allowed 122 ppg. *** Larry Cannon was great, and one of a kind! Pro career was checkered (retired early due to leg problem) but his excellent talents and unique style on a basketball court won't be forgotten.
Posted 10:23 AM, 05/06/2008
Morty_
BFrank: Could not agree more.
Posted 10:03 AM, 05/06/2008
BFrank
After reading this blog, I'm glad Stefanski's the GM and not me... and no offense, but I'm glad at least half of the you are not the GM either, lol. But I do enjoy hearing everyone's ideas and getting your feedback on mine. Hopefully, Ed will get it right.
Posted 09:01 AM, 05/06/2008
SwollCracker
jumpin johnny - if Rip is the sleeveless version of Hubie Marshall, does that make Mike Miller the 21st century equivalent of Larry Cannon? :) By the way, I'm a big Mike Miller fan and would love to see him in a Sixer uniform. I'd trade Rodney Carney and a future #1 to get him. I'd also try to trade Dalembert to the Tarcats for Okafor and draft a young big space eater (R. Lopez or Hibbert).
Posted 06:20 AM, 05/06/2008
JBP
Dean, like your thoughts. I like Mike Miller, but also like Hakeem Warrick. I'd prefer to keep Sam and add a strong PF...agree with your thoughts re Brand-type would help Sam stick to what he does best. We have a lot of "stocks" that others feel have significant upside...Williams, Carney, Iguodala, Smith, Young. If necessary I would move any or all of the first three, would keep Smith and Young. I would take Miller and Warrick for Iguodala for example. Young and Warrick bring a lot of what Iguodala brings. I'd also move Iguodala for Brand. Ed has lots of "chips" and I expect he will use wisely.
Posted 11:12 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
Dean, I don!t mean L.Will. at the pt., just if L.Will. is getting 25 min. at the 2, its tough to have a small pt. next to him. I!d just as soon move L.Will. because I hate having to match up certain players because of size issues.I would pursue L.Will. for a young pt.[Farmar,Lowry+pick,Crittenden,T.J.Ford [if healthy] if its available.
Posted 11:03 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
When Nash said E.S. was the best talent evaluator he ever saw, I didn!t know if that was a good or bad thing.Dean, I almost wish we stop recycling other veteren players and just get young guys to move forward. Ex.[Turiaf,J.R. Smith,J.Farmar,Diaw,Scola,Dq.Cook,Lowry,Craig Smith,T.Outlaw,Crittenden]. Just give us 2 of these guys and draft smart.
Posted 11:00 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
JJG - Yes, Nash as a broadcaster is fine. Nash as a GM...NOOOOOOOOO!!!! And I agree with your point about Bob Salmi; I think I'd rather listen to a rotation of some on this board for color commentary every night than that clown. Someone please take the lead on the "Bring Back Steve Mix" petition.
Posted 10:58 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
Seude - I want a PG of the future because I don't think Lou Williams will be successful in that role - it's just my opinion. I think Lou can definitely be a Vinnie Johnson-type (or better) down the road once he gets more consistent. However, as he's shown, I don't think he really has the mindset (through no fault of his own) to be a full-time PG and to play the way that is necessary for that position. He's been a scorer for his entire life, and it's very difficult to change a player like that especially when they went straight from high school to the pros with no college stepping stone in between. I think Lou's maximum value to this team is in a sign and trade as part of a deal to get the superstar like Brand in here. Actually, Lowry's and Lou's numbers are pretty similar from this past season, and it basically was each guy's first season with extended playing time (Lowry was hurt all of 2006-07 except for 9 games). Lowry actually had a better FG% than Lou while only scoring 2 ppg fewer but had more rebounds, assists, and a better assist to turnover ratio. Lou's clearly a more gifted outside shooter, but his shot selection is questionable at best sometimes, which is a direct result of his impatience and his desire to be "the man" when out on the floor. You don't want that type of mindset in the persona of your floor leader.
Posted 10:56 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
Dean1, Funny. On the broadcasting side, I actually prefer Nash's more mature, measured post-game analyses to Salmi's excited rants.
Posted 10:46 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
John Nash better not end up as part of this organization, although the way he and Ed are boys...it wouldn't suprise me. Bottom line, John Nash has butchered more teams than Hannibal Lecter has victims. Brutal.
Posted 10:22 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
seude, Since you asked, my first move would be to rinse all talking vestiges of Sixers' past from premises. Bye, Mo. Seeya, Moses. Take it easy, Henry. Jimmy, it's been great (Dei, you too - sorry). World B. Free, you are now so. Mr. Nash, I'm sure you'll find another team. Thanks for the memories, all! ... cold, I know, but the future waits, new ideas lurk. (But Stefanski's too connected and sentimental for it to actually occur - a compliment, rather than an indictment.)
Posted 10:02 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
Guys like M.Ely,A.Foyle and K.Dooling getting some run for final 8 teams, that!s amazing. Wish we could play bench against bench but.
Posted 09:47 PM, 05/05/2008
rayzoe
Marc, Ray here your on it, Miller would be a great pick up, add in Chris Wilcox for a low post presence and we are set.
Posted 09:44 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
Dean, I think you get Calderon for 7 to 8 mill., but Miller and Lowry cost you almost 11 next year; but if we bring in Brand, than Reggies money, almost 5 mill. could be an issue.Dean, as S.F.W. mentioned, a bigger point is needed if L.Will. is part of this teams future. Calderon is 6!3" and 200, similar to Miller but a big backup point would be beneficial, again if L.Will.!s role expands.
Posted 09:33 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
seude, Funny practice image. Slowing his game down till the right moments would serve Carney well. Has a lot of talent. Needs to refine gearbox, see the court a little better, and get stronger. *** Morty, You're right - any improvement counts. My point is that Rip's uniquely talented in that regard. For one thing, Carney's stride (and frame) is too big for such precision cuts and turns.
Posted 09:32 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
S.F.W., I have ripped I.Thomas for years about bringing in talent but not putting together a TEAM. We have pieces that in a lot of ways don!t fit.Iggy and Dre in the backcourt; Sam and Jason at the 4 and 5, 2 finesse guys.If A.Miller is staying than move Iggy and vice versa.Thad, with his knack for scoring in the post may work with Jason eventually as a W.Berry type in the lane scorer but we can!t play Iggy at the 3 with the league getting longer at the skill positions. Deung,Lewis, Prince,Dunleavy and Turkaglu are all 6!9" or bigger small forwards so E.S. has some work to do. Hey Jumpin, what would be your first move?
Posted 09:21 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
I don't think any of us can judge Roy Hibbert yet. He played in the Princeton offense, which is way closer to a high school motion offense than to any semblence of an NBA offense. NBA Draft Express is pretty much considered the top draft analysis board; I'll take their word for it if they like Hibbert. Seude - I'm fine with Iggy at the 2 as long as Mike Miller (or a similar type of deadeye shooter) is at the 3 (Thad 6th man getting 26-30 mpg at the 3 and 4 spot - he's got plenty of time to start in the future and will be an excellent player, but needs to become more consistent over the next couple of years). In terms of the PG position, I'd always take a defensive stopper / distributor PG over an offensive threat, but below avg. defender ESPECIALLY when there's an $8M cap difference. That said, Calderon is a top notch offensive PG, no doubt, and if he and Lowry cost the same, I'd take Calderon and deal with the deficiencies. But I don't want to spend 15% of my overall cap on a PG that doesn't play D all that well. Calderon models his game a bit after Steve Nash...but the thing about Nash is that he's phenomenal on the offensive end of the court, but can't play a lick of D and gets exposed every year in the playoffs. If Calderon and Lowry were both under $5M, clearly Calderon would be the choice. But they're not, and a PG that can't really play perimeter defense is not worth $10M against the cap in my opinion. I'd rather take that add'l $8M and spend it on either Mike Miller or a portion of Elton Brand.
Posted 09:15 PM, 05/05/2008
sixerzguy
jjg, who are you? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical. How many people in the world can link Rip with Hubie Marshall like that? That was a tougher Google search than usual... If I really reach into my memory banks and tried to form a jjg-ism, about the best thing I can come up with is something like, "Scotty Brooks' push-shot three-pointer was laid to rest with Dana Barros' retirement..." That was lame... whatever...
Posted 09:08 PM, 05/05/2008
sfw
Is this possible? Somehow send off Carney in a draft day trade, KOllie, The bottom 3 big guys and maybe Willie(if possible). That's 5 or 6 spots. Add a young point(tall, if possible), our favorite Hill, a shooter at the backup 2 and a starter with post skills at the 4. Who are they?
Posted 08:30 PM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
I would love Brand on a 3 year deal, but 5 year is just asking to get burnt. Suede: Green is salary filler in all my trade fantasies. jjg: agreed that Carney as Hamilton is a bit far fetched, but why not put the dream in front of him as incentive?
Posted 08:20 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
Jumpin, he has to learn to slow down; he reminds me of the kid that gets a breakaway and slams it off the backboard. I think they want to limit his dribbling though. I can see it now. A cigar store indian on the court and Rodney making cuts off it.
Posted 08:16 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
J.Smith is talented, but if you bring in a 4 that plays 20 ft. from the basket than Sam has to go.We have Diogu and D.J.White here already in H.Hill, aq similar level talent.If Kristic is healthy and Sam can cover the 4!s than he could be part of a rotation but he plays away from the basket also.Agree to disagree on Hibbert, in 2 years I think he is better than Sam.Turiaf, defensively is just what we need but not sure if he does anything other than an elbow jumpshot now.
Posted 08:08 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
seude, I like Carney but Sixers coaches are misguided if they think he can approximate Rip's cuts off screens, quick turns and shooting releases. Part natural gifts, part years of hard work; Coatesville steel (just like mid-60s LaSalle shooter supreme, Hubie Marshall). A good dream though.
Posted 07:36 PM, 05/05/2008
nskaroff
Roy Hibbert? Chris Wilcox? You gotta be kidding me. Being big doesn't make you a post player, and neither of those guys can create a shot for themselves. They're both woefully underqualified for the position we're looking to fill. Elton Brand fits the bill, but will be expensive and difficult to acquire given his contract situation. Josh Smith is a little less polished, but character issues are no longer a concern for him. As a restricted free agent the Hawks can match any offer we make, but with both ownership and coaching possibly in flux, and considering the other looming contract negotiations (Josh Childress this year, Marvin Williams next, Al Horford after that) he might be able to be gotten. Other than those guys, or a draft stud, I think pretty much anybody is a stop-gap solution. However, with Thad and Jason Smith developing, that's not a bad thing. I see Nenad Kristic as a possibility. Though he's had health problems, he's very skilled on the offensive end and was one of Stefanski's pet projects with the Nets. Ike Diogu could probably be pried away from the Pacers and would add some offensive punch. Ronny Turiaf wouldn't bring much skill, but his effort could provide a cheap boost to the frontcourt. What do you guys think about these options?
Posted 07:24 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
I have been pushing for Gooden, cheaper plus we don!t need a 40 min. 4; a 24 to 28 min. 4 works if we draft Hibbard or R.Lopez because when they are in for Sam they can play in the post. But Gooden and Wilcox and Odom all have expiring contracts, doubtful any of these guys are available. Collison may be gettable but not a great post player.Morty, Willie is not in any of my trade scenerios because he has no value unless as a salary filler.By the way, did anybody read Carney!s quotes about the coaches telling him they want him to play like Rip coming off screens next season.He may be our 2 if nothing else is available.
Posted 07:12 PM, 05/05/2008
seude
next to Love, Hibbert is the best out of the post passer in college and the system he played in restricted his play. I think worst case he is Ilgauskas. Good hands, smart and coachable, 3 things Sam is not. Dean, unless you want to trade Iggy, Lowry can!t be this teams starting pt.,we need a shooter at the pt. and Calderon can spot up and doesn!t turn over the ball. I like Udrih but he isn!t close to Calderon.Jason, you read my mind. With the nets moving soon to a new arena they may want to accumulate cap room and picks. I would offer A.Miller and 1 or 2 future #1!s for R.Jefferson and M.Williams. Both players can score and Thad becomes one of the best 6th men in the game.You get your future pt. and a #1 scorer that can defend.
Posted 06:19 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
Recliner GM - While you may hate ROy Hibbert, NBA Draft Express seems to think that he'll be a very nice pick for someone. They note his adept finishing inside the paint, his high basketball IQ, and his excellent passing skills (a certain Sixers C currently seems to be real poor in all three of these areas). His softness is a concern, as is his quickness on the perimeter. He also played very little in the way of organized hoops before college, but that can be seen as a plus in that he clearly has some room to grow. Here's the link: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Roy-Hibbert-585/
Posted 05:59 PM, 05/05/2008
sixerzguy
"I hate Roy Hibbert with a passion." Good one, RGM... Can't wait to read your blog the day after the 6ers draft him...
Posted 05:44 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
I have reservations about Brand. Nice big player but 8 games is a small post-op sample. Achilles tendon rupture is a nasty thing. Of course, NBA-level care is to his best recovery advantage. But is he a 16 mil risk just on health level? I question 100% back, even following a summer of rest.
Posted 05:10 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
KM - The point of getting Elton Brand here though doesn't really depend on him opting out. With the $$ that we can take back, a sign and trade with Lou, Jason Smith, and a #1 pick would work. Would the Clippers (and notoriously cheap owner Donald Sterling) turn that offer down?
Posted 05:03 PM, 05/05/2008
K,M
Alright, well Im not really into all this fantasy league type roster talk, so i think for the most part im just going to leave you all to it and come back around draft time when there's something solid to discuss. I'll leave you all with this notion though - Everyone agrees that Elton Brand is a very good player, and would be a great sixer. But anyone whose plan rests on getting him better have a solid plan B. If I had to lay money on it, i'd bet against him going anywhere. If he really believes that he's got plent of years of ball ahead of him, he's got no reason to opt out this year when he knows there will be more bidders on the market next year. Is it possible he opts out? yes, it is. Is it likely? I don't think so. ***************** It's been an entertaining season, and i hope this board stays up throughout the offseason so i can check in from time to time as developments develop. Happy GM'ing.
Posted 04:59 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
Wilcox is brutal from the line though. 67% career FT shooter. He's a good player, but does he raise us to that next level, especially considering the cap space that he'll probably command? I'd rather overpay a guy like Elton Brand and KNOW that I'm getting a perennial All-Star than pay $7-$9M for a guy that is solid, but not great. Plus, Wilcox has literally been Seattle's only legit 4 or 5 over the past 2+ seasons (Nick Collison and Kurt Thomas were the others), so I take his #s with a grain of salt. Just my opinion.
Posted 04:55 PM, 05/05/2008
ReclinerGM
SFW - i agree with everyone you just said, except I hate Roy Hibbert with a passion and wouldn't want the Sixers to draft him. I just see another Sammy D, just flip flop the strengths. Hibbert is a better offensive player but nowhere near the defender or rebounder Dalembert is. And god is his soft. Can't stand soft big men. Lowry is small, not a good shooter (we need shooters people - did you see what Detroit did in games 5 and 6?) And he is a penetrator to score not really to pass, like SFW said we got Lou for that and he is a better shooter. I am seeing a lot of blow the team up type talk - why exactly?
Posted 04:44 PM, 05/05/2008
BFrank
Someone mentioned Chris Wilcox (25) earlier... I'm not sure what the Sonics would want in return, but I'd look into it. Ronny Turiaf (also 25) might be a realistic second option, but you might have to overpay to pry away from LA as a restricted FA. If we trade for Wilcox, I don't know if that leaves enough pieces to also trade for Beno, but I'd like him on this team for the right price.
Posted 04:32 PM, 05/05/2008
sfw
Morty, I'm drinking your koolaid. Again, let's add not swap. Especially, A. Miller for players coming from a losing team. I like Hibbert as a supporting player to compete with Sammy not as a starter. Maybe in time. Lowry is an undersized non-distributing point guard. A spark off tht bench. Yes but we have Lou Will. Let's chill a bit. My blood pressure is rising.
Posted 04:08 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
One other comment. Calderon is a great player, no doubt. But for what he's going to cost as a % of the overall salary cap...no thanks for a PG. I'd rather spend the $$ on a big-time PF and a big-time shooter. Teams have proven over the years time and time again that a passing / defensive PG is what's generally needed to win championships, rather than an expensive scorer. If everyone likes the idea of a Calderon-type of PG, than an alternate solution (that will be a lot cheaper) is Beno Udrih of Sacramento. He played lights out this season for Sacramento and started most of the year because Bibby was hurt and then traded. He's a top-notch shooter and is generally cut from the same cloth that Calderon is. And, he will only cost about 40% of what Calderon will command.
Posted 04:01 PM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
OK - I've listened to all of you go back and forth. First, the primary goal here (and the majority seems to agree) is to get a stud PF that has a back-to-the-basket game, for multiple reasons. If Elton Brand is available, you go get Elton Brand. He didn't play the entire season because of a blown achilles, came back for the last 8 games and avg'd 18 pts, 8 reb, shot 45.5% FG, and 79% FT. If he was 35, I could absolutely see Morty's point, but he's not. Elton Brand is 29 years old and has plenty of basketball left in him. A package of Lou, Jason Smith, and a future #1 should get it done via a sign and trade. Anyone on this board that wouldn't do that particular deal is nuts. In terms of the other side, I think you could get Memphis to bite a deal that includes Andre Miller / Rodney Carney for Mike Miller / Kyle Lowry for multiple reasons...it seems as though the consensus wants to keep Dalembert, which I'm in favor of if we get Brand. Therefore, your top 8 in the rotation consists of: Andre Iguodala, Elton Brand, Sam Dalembert, Mike Miller, Kyle Lowry, Thaddeus Young, Reggie Evans, Willie Green, and whomever the #1 pick is (Hibbert, Dj White, etc). That lineup is a MASSIVE improvement over the current situation; how can anyone complain about a team that's going to compete right away and for years to come in the East?
Posted 02:56 PM, 05/05/2008
gba
Marc, I like your recent Lead-In articles to stimulate the discussion on relevant topics. I like Miller for the right price. But, strong forward with post moves is higher priority. Someone's suggestion to go after Hibbert --- played poorly everytime I watched him. I don't agree with notion that we have the right players to develop a consistent 3-point threat. I worry that Iggy is only special as long as his "legs" last. If he were to have a knee injury or he loses his "hops", I fear his effectiveness drops dramatically. Of course, that may be like saying Iverson will wear out some day from the beating he takes. And that has not happened yet. Everybody is counting on ES. I am hoping, but not convinced he has a magic wane.
Posted 02:42 PM, 05/05/2008
hugh
jjg - Exactly - it is not the time for development - Hockey references should not be allowed here - Marc, can't you screen those now? Can someone start the firebobsalmi.com website? Or do I have to sit through another year of the Salmi-strator? I would rather him on the Sixers bench than as the color guy - at least I would only have to see him for a few seconds during timeouts.
Posted 02:21 PM, 05/05/2008
JASON RINGLER
This year the NBA has been a prime example of "Insider Trading." The Celtics get KG when Kevin McHale ships him to Boston and his boy Danny Ainge, and he smiles. The Lakers get Gasol when Jerry West ships him to his boy Mitch Kupchak, and he smiles. Over the summer, Rod Thorn ships Richard Jefferson to his boy Ed Stefanski, and he smiles. Jason- Los Angeles
Posted 01:57 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
BFrank, Appreciate your perspective but, as a fan, I don't adhere to the quainter and more collegiate, long-term development model of running a pro franchise. "Gimme it now," says this citizen who pays significant "gimme it now" dollars to watch, on tube or in person!
Posted 01:45 PM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
jj: Also looking forward to what Ed has brewing. He does have some pieces to offer that were (hopefully) made more attractive by the past season's run. However, I doubt Johnny Kerr can keep up with the pace of today's NBA, especially at his age. Syracuse might have to throw in a 1st round pick to make a deal work there.
Posted 01:40 PM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
If you sign Brand to a 5 year extension, you are paying for his declining years. If you sign Igoudala to a 5 year extension, you are paying for his ascending years. Very simple. don't give out big contracts to 30+ year old players. I also want to be able to build a team that can compete for a length of time. Detroit has been the the conference finals for 5 straight years now? That's our goal.
Posted 01:34 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
Morty, Johnny Kerr, with a lane hook shot from right OR left block; Gambee, for inside defensive ballast; Costello, to melt 'em from 3 pt. land - THEN we're set. *** I agree, moves for moves' sake are inadvisable, especially the panicky King sort. But Stefanki's got some material to work with, and has months to scheme.
Posted 01:25 PM, 05/05/2008
BFrank
jjp, yes, to win a championship next year the Sixers would need to get a Malone and Isiah, but we're not necesarily talking about winning it all. We're just talking about taking the next step. What are their needs to get past the first round and build-on for the future. That's why I want a young PG who can replace A. Miller if he leaves. That's why I'd like to see a young PF come in here who can develop, with our guys. Let's try to get those pieces we know we need, see how they fit, see how we do against the elite teams in the NBA and then next off-season we'll see what worked and what didn't and continue to build from there.
Posted 01:24 PM, 05/05/2008
K,M
Morty & nskaroff - its good to see that there some people not getting over-excited. Naturually i agree with everyone else that we need a shooter and a PF, but i'm with you all in thinking that deliberation and patience is the key. Also agree that Carney, Lou, and possibly Jason have shown promise as shooter. I wouldn't mind an Odom as a placeholder in the likely event there's no real star power available at PF, though not my first choice. With a young team like this, we have the luxury to not need to overspend on a veteran - we have time. The one issue with that is the point position - I'd say there's about a 60-70% chance miller is not back in 2010, whether because he's been traded or decides not to come back. I've said several times this year that i love Calderon, and that still holds true - if he can be had for any reasonable price, that'd be job 1 for me (hell, if people are going to talk about Elton Brand as if its a forgone conclusion that he's attainable, why not talk about Calderon the same way?). Also prefer Calderon as a building block to brand for the same reason miller isn't a good long term piece - age. As our young talent reaches peak potential in 3 or so years, Brand will still be effective but getting on in his early 30's - i want a team that's built to contend for years to come, and am willing to wait an extra year or two of slow, steady progress if it means our window is larger. Failing that, since i dont see any other PF's that i'd really pay for, I'd want a big guard who can hit open shots and really D it up - he doesnt need to shoot the lights out, just hit open shots - and a younger vet type PF. Draft yourself a promising point guard, and you're in a pretty good position already with the flexibility to try again on a better market next year for that blockbuster PF.
Posted 01:17 PM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
jjg: But seriously, You'll get stuck in Billy Kingsville if you go looking for quick fixes, unless you stumble across deals of the type Boston was able to pull off last summer. So, if we can make good deals then part with the nursery, no porblem, but otherwise, let's try developing what we have for another 1/2 season.
Posted 01:14 PM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
jjg: I think we could also win with Kobe and Gasol, or Pierce and Garnett. I would not hesitate to trade Carney and a #1 for Kobe. No question.
Posted 01:13 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
Jason, Let's leave frozen biscuit chasing to the Canucks. If you think current Sixers roster wins 2 playoff series next year, you don't buy your suits at Krass Brothers.
Posted 01:01 PM, 05/05/2008
JASON RINGLER
jjg, Thats the way it goes in sports? Really? Have you heard of the Philadelphia Flyers? They went from last in the NHL to The Eastern Conference Finals. Jason-Los Angeles
Posted 01:00 PM, 05/05/2008
hugh
Dean, I have to disagree on Hibbert - he does not provide what this team needs. He is not a scorer by nature and is much more of a supporting cast guy than a starting C in this league - he did not impress me at all in the 5 or 6 games I saw him play this season. The kid I am a little interested in now is this JaVale McGee - he seems to have some tools - from what I have seen in highlights and have read - and both of his parents were pro b-ball players, which doesn't hurt. I hope I get to see more of his game before the draft (NBATV, etc.) - I think White and Alexander are both interesting as well - I just want a more finished product right now - I don't want another project.
Posted 12:51 PM, 05/05/2008
jjg
Pardon the pessimism but this past season's performances (and stats) won't necessarily be improved upon, even as Sixers are a relatively youthful team. That's the way it goes in sports. Sixers are 2 players away alright: Karl Malone and Isiah Thomas. And a 'Buzz Bramen, Herb McGee and Joe Fulks' think tank would find it challenging to develop 3 pt. shooting from within Sixers' present ranks (though Carney's deep stroke shows some promise). Patience?!? You're talkin' about patience?!? Did you see games 4, 5 & 6? Sixers aren't a nursery operation. Time to move some pieces.
Posted 12:50 PM, 05/05/2008
hugh
Not to pay myself on the back, but I believe I was the first one to bring up Miller early in the year - I proposed a trade of Sam and Willie (future 1st) to Memphis for Miller, Cardinal and Lowry. Marc, how about a shout out on that one? I do like Miller and I know he can shoot it with consistency - I think he would play well with a legit low post guy - and he would open the floor up for Iggy/Lou to get to the basket. Shooters provide the always underestimated "space" - creating easy baskets for others. I was watching the NO/SA game the other night and there was a play where Paul was coming down on a 3 on 3 and Bowen was getting back and Peja ran to the corner and Bowen was in position to step in front of Paul, but he ran towards Peja and Paul got an easy layup - that is the kind of thing that a shooter like Miller can provide. I am not sure of his defensive skills, but he can't be any worse than Willie - so even if that is a tradeoff - you upgrade at the 2. The other benefit is you have one less year to worry about on his contract than with Sammy. How about a sign and trade instead with Milwaukee - Iggy for Redd? I would do it. Add that low post threat in the draft, sign a guy like Vujacic and demote Willie to water boy and the team is much improved. Miller Redd Thad DJ White/Alexander/Jason Smith/Speights/McGee Sam (Lou, either rookie PF or Jason Smith, Vujacic, Carney and Evans on the bench) Not a bad lineup for next year. I also think we wait one more year on the PG. There are no real stud PGs and I would rather wait and sign or draft a guy we know will be here for a number of years than to draft the best avaialable PG in the draft. Maybe even re-sign Miller for another year - depending on his plans. I am not sure about a trade that would involve Sam for Miller, but I wouldn't be sad if Sam was moved - especially after he went all Travis Bickle on us in game 5.
Posted 12:16 PM, 05/05/2008
JASON RINGLER
Marc, Mike Miller? How about staying with the same team and prying Kyle Lowry away from Memphis. Andre Miller can teach him the point guard position, and Memphis is going with Conley at the point. The Sixers want athletic, defensive minded players, and Mike Miller is a gunner. Stefanski is going to do way better than Mike Miller. (Chris Wilcox). Jason- Los Angeles
Posted 12:13 PM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
Sorry for the typos. Marc, how about getting philly.com to enlarge the box we type in, and add a "preview" option?
Posted 12:11 PM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
Thanks, nskaroff. Patience is key. Impatience leads to dumb decisions. We'll see if Ed can pull something off, but none of the names I'm hearing available excite me. That's why my favorite trade is kind of a place holder move: Green + cap room to for Lamar Odom. Odom expires after next season, so it's not long term problem if he doesn't work out. Plus, we get to dump the remaining 3 years fo Green's contract, so after next season we would have 14 mil off the cap irregardless of what we do about Andre Miller.
Posted 11:47 AM, 05/05/2008
nskaroff
BFrank and Morty, you guys nailed it. The way I see it, we need two players. One needs to be a PF that can score with his back to the basket and defend on the ball. The other should be a point guard who can shoot the 3, take care of the ball, and stop dribble penetration. I agree with Morty that we can develop 3pt shooting from within. Also, because our needs are so specific, I think patience is key. Just because we have cap room now doesn't mean we need to spend it now. If our stud PF isn't available now, why not wait another year (when we'll have even more cap room) and deal with the free agents of '09? Between now and then our expendable assets are cap room and Andre Miller. Everybody else on the payroll for next year and going forward could contribute to our team of the future. I think the most underrated thing we will do this offseason is to hire a dedicated big-man coach and a shooting coach. If everybody on our team improves as much in this offseason as they did in the last, we'll be dangerous even if we don't add any pieces.
Posted 11:10 AM, 05/05/2008
jjg
MILLER (for decipherability; posting was reconfigured in transfer): 8 seasons, 32 min, 14.4 pts, 4.8 rbs, 3 assists / career reg season shooting (565 gms) - 46% overall, 40% 3 pt / career playoff shooting (20 gms) - 40% overall, 34% 3 pt / career FT shooting - 77%. rashadmccants1 website gives action footage.
Posted 10:33 AM, 05/05/2008
jjg
MIKE MILLER, heading into 9th season--32 min, 14.4 pts, 4.8 rbs, 3 a career reg. season shooting (565 gms): 46% overall & 40% 3 pt playoff (20 gms) : 40% 34 career FT shooting : 77% Not an all-around dynamo, but offensively, has his moments; he's definitely better than status quo. I prefer a guy like Rashad McCants (don't know of his availabilty).
Posted 10:12 AM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
BFrank: I'm closer to your priority list than Marc's. Furthermore, improved 3 point shooting could also come from within through improvements by Lou, Igoudala, Carney and Young. Hell, even Jason Smith shows potential to be a half decent 3 point shooter if he worked on it. These are all young players will the ability to work on and improve their games.
Posted 10:03 AM, 05/05/2008
Morty_
Miller would be an upgrade, so I would welcome him on those terms. That said, a PF still remains on the top of my wish list. I would prefer to look for a Mike Miller type player in the draft. Those type of players are always more easy to acquire than a big man, especially when you are drafting around the middle of the pack. For example, Chase Budinger from Arizona seems like a Miller clone in terms of size and style of play.
Posted 09:59 AM, 05/05/2008
jjg
See your point, Dean1, on Dalembert's being reigned in and redirected by a bigger, earned voice, but I suspect even Bill Russell couldn't make Sam tow the line towards winning as top priority.
Posted 09:57 AM, 05/05/2008
BFrank

Dean1, very interesting stuff. I agree with a lot of you analysis on player abilities, with the exception of Hibbert. I don't think we can replace Sammy with a rookie, or even Jason Smith, and expect to improve. I realize Sammy's not the ideal center, but good centers are not easy to come by... average centers are not easy to by.

While I like Miller, and would take him on this team in a heartbeat, I'd rather go after a guy like Calderon who can hit a three-pointer and be our future PG. I like Iguodala and Young at SG and SF so I'm not sure where Miller would fit.

As far as the most important needs for this team:

1. Low post scorer/defender/rebounder

2. Future PG

3. 3-point shooter

It would be ideal if we could get a PG who can distribute, defend and hit from beyond the arc, but I'll take the pieces any way Ed can get them.

Posted 09:32 AM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
I think you're selling Mike Miller short JJG. He's a guy that can catch and shoot, post up, and get to the foul line. That he's been stuck in Memphis since 2003 (he must be ready to kill himself) is not his fault. You would think that someone like him, who's been STARVED for a good situation and by all accounts is a good guy, would be willing to do anything in order to be with a contending team.
Posted 09:27 AM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
I disagree. Sam hasn't had a all-star caliber type player next to him that can put him in his place. As much as Reggie Evans is a hard worker, bruising rebounder, etc., he's still a role guy. Elton Brand is a respected all-star in this league and can show Dalembert in both a nice and not-so-nice way how things are supposed to be done. Generally, when eccentric guys like Sam are allowed to do their own thing, they don't focus as well as they should and drift off (look at Dennis Rodman). However, when Rodman was placed in a situation with a bunch of all-stars and a championship caliber team, he towed the line and played exceptional basketball. Now, I'm not comparing Sam to Rodman or the Sixers to the Bulls of the '90s, but the premise is the same.
Posted 09:24 AM, 05/05/2008
jjg
Miller? Good shooting stats, but is he a team player? Will he play hard at other end? Can he catch and shoot - minus dribble - quickly? I think of him as a drive right, flex knees and pop guy; one who needs launch time and space. Maybe I'm wrong there.
Posted 09:07 AM, 05/05/2008
jjg
Sixers cannot win with Dalembert and his muddle-headed ball playing; don't care who's surrounding him. Likes the attention of differentiation, even if it costs games. Needs to go for forward progress - team's, and perhaps his own.
Posted 08:52 AM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
To me, it seems like Sam would be the more natural fit in Memphis, but that's from a Marc Ivaroni-system perspective. From other perspectives, including mentoring Mike Conley and even more cap relief in 2009, Andre Miller makes more sense. In terms of getting Brand without using Andre Miller, the only way it's feasible is if you get Mike Miller / Kyle Lowry for Sam / Carney and then do a Lou Williams / Jason Smith / 2009 #1 (if necessary) for Brand in a sign and trade (assuming Brand signs the extension). However, in that scenario, you're losing 3 young, potential key, contributors down the road AND a 10 and 10 Center. Personally, I'd rather move Andre Miller and Carney to Memphis for M. Miller and Lowry, and then move Lou, Jason, and a #1 to the Clips for Brand. Next year the team would suffer a bit initially re: the continuity of the offense with a new, more inexperienced PG than Andre Miller and we'd lose some depth, but this plan would solve all of the Sixers' issues in the long run (dominant low-post force, outside assassin, PG of the future). I'd still draft Roy Hibbert also; a 4 / 5 rotation of Brand, Sam, Evans, and Hibbert is deep and bruising. And, even though Hibbert played soft in college, I gotta think that practice sessions every day with Brand and Reggie would toughen him up in a hurry.
Posted 07:29 AM, 05/05/2008
seude
M.Miller is not Korver. He is a good all round player that fills a stat sheet. He got 7 rebounds a game this year. Defense keeps being brought up, and I stress it as much as anybody but this is one instance when if a guy is an average defender at least than he is a viable option. We need a #1 scoring option. If a guy is a 20 to 25 pt. player and a very good defender he won!t be available.Dean, some good scouting reports on N.B.A. players being run in a series on DRAFTEXPRESS.COM covering both ends of the court on players. Redd is said to be average defensively. As long as he is not a statue on defense than he has to be considered. I also like Miller over Redd for the reasons Dean listed above but like I said earlier, how can we get Brand and Miller if A.Miller is not moved.
Posted 12:52 AM, 05/05/2008
bball
As far as the debate over post presence or outside shooter, I'll take post presence any day of the week. A team with good post players can get open 3 point looks and shoot a good percentage despite not having great a 3 point shooter. Most guys in the NBA can knock down a wide open trey. Bruce Bowen is the perfect example he hits open 3's because of Duncan.
Posted 12:47 AM, 05/05/2008
bball
Haven't seen M. Miller play too much but doesn't he have a reputation as a bad defender despite his size? I don't want him unless he can defend. 3 point shooters are the last piece to a good team and if he can't help on defense then he isn't worth it. If he is a good defender though he could be a nice addition to this team and give them a little help on the half court offense as long as we don't have to give up too much for him.
Posted 12:03 AM, 05/05/2008
Dean1
BOTH, but the inside post threat probably trumps the outside shooter in most situations. We have no semblence of consistent scoring from the 4 / 5 positions, so in the Sixers' case, you need to get the best available post threat as the #1 priority. An inside post threat is always a viable option even when an offense is not working so well; add'l, it opens up shots and lanes for the 1, 2, and 3 positions. In terms of the lefty 2 guards you mentioned, Michael Redd is who Ed S. likes...for the record, at over $14M per season, Redd is not worth the $$. His defense is suspect at best and he gives you less size than M. Miller; add'l Iggy would then have to start at the 3, which is not where you want him to play going forward. Mike Miller, at $8.5M per season, is exactly what this team needs in terms of an affordable, deadly outside shooter that possesses big-time size and can board. No thanks on Michael Redd.
Posted 11:39 PM, 05/04/2008
cosmic
What is more important an out side shooter or inside scorer, for the sixers?
Posted 11:34 PM, 05/04/2008
cosmic
I think I saw or read that Ed like Mo peterson or Micheal Redd I am not sure which one. But I think it is Redd who ed likes. I won't be surpise to see one of those guys here next year! So that leaves out Mike Miller! I just can't visualize Miller, being a Moe Cheeks type of player. What is the difference between Kyle Korver and Mike Miller? Miller can score more points, I guess. Miller don't fit this team!
Posted 08:44 PM, 05/04/2008
rayzoe
I want Chris Wilcox.
Posted 06:36 PM, 05/04/2008
seude
Marc, I look at M.Miller as more than just a shooter, he may be our best player if added. After the playoffs I think a scorer of any kind is a welcome addition. If Brand and M.Miller is not an option than get a lower level 4 [D.Gooden ] as an example. A rotation of Gooden,Evans,J.Smith,Sam and our pick [R.Lopez, D.J.White] would be a solid rotation at the 4 and 5 positions.
Posted 06:07 PM, 05/04/2008
seude
Marc, it seems E.S. likes what Sam gives defensively, and probably won!t trade him. So the only way to get Brand and M.Miller is to trade A.Miller and use our cap room. But if he doesn!t want to move A.Miller than I don!t see any way we get both.Memphis is gonna want Draft picks or young players. If L.Will. has value and is considered by management as only a 3rd guard than he may have to be moved.
Posted 05:26 PM, 05/04/2008
ReclinerGM
Dean I agree with just about everything you said except on Roy Hibbert. Did you watch him play at all in his college career? He sucks and the Philly fans would eat him alive the first time he goes up with weak and gets his lay-up punched into the 3rd row (he rarely goes strong and dunks on ppl). At his size he was an average rebounder at best in college and I hate his passive nature. I don't think he will be a good NBA center and I think we get considerably worse defensively inside with him as well.
Posted 04:42 PM, 05/04/2008
Dean1
Completely agreed Marc. I've been hollering for Mike Miller since before the 2008 trade deadline. It addresses the Sixers' complete lack of outside shooting AND allows Iggy to play the 2 on defense to which he is much more suited than the 3. Miller is definitely big enough (6'8, 220) to guard the 3 spot on defense. If you could get Mike Miller for Sammy D (questionable at best), I'd do that deal first, which would allow you to keep Andre Miller as more attractive feed at the '09 trade deadline. However, I'd also try to include Kyle Lowry for Rodney Carney in the deal; if necessary, I'd throw a 2009 #1 pick into the mix. Then, you need to get Roy Hibbert at all costs in the draft as Sam's replacement. As a backup plan (if Memphis doesn't want Sam), I'd move Andre Miller (and his expiring deal) for Mike Miller and Kyle Lowry. Either way, the Sixers take care of two of their three upgrades (outside shooting and PG of the future) and still have enough bullets and cap space left to offer the Clips some combination (2 of 3) of a re-signed Lou Williams, Rodney Carney, and / or Jason Smith + a future #1 for Elton Brand. That would be my plan this offseason.
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