Pistons Put Sixers In Place | Philly

Posted 02:39 AM, 05/02/2008

moonbear

A great and unexpected season overall. This team overachieved quite a bit considering a sober look at the roster. As far the the Detroit series, we won one more game than most of us thought. That said, there is one thing that really bothered me about this team in this particular series: The stunning overall mental toughness and tenacity. Besides Reggie Evans, no one played with the necessary attitude and for this I blame Cheeks. I can't remember one hard foul or altercation. We developed no manufactured 'hatred' for the Pistons and showed them way too much respect...and yes, even love. Cheeks was often seen laughing and chatting it up with Rasheed. I think a flagrant foul (level 1) is often necessary to set the tone. The tone that says, there are no free layups in this series. We could have really gotten under their skin and maybe threw a few of them off their games. It was like a layup line out there. You can show them all the love and respect AFTER the series, but the great teams all have a cut-throat attitude during the competition. Did anyone else notice this was the only series where there were no (ZERO) altercations. Even the start-up Hawks mixed it up with Boston the other day. Stackhouse took the head off a couple of Hornets in an effort to inspire his team even as his Dallas team was going down in flames. When you are getting your butt kicked, show some pride...knock someone down and get a flagrent 1 if that's what it takes. Why are we joking with them and helping them up. Sorry for the long post but I had to get that off my chest. I still love this team overall and Cheeks as the coach...and I'm not saying we should ever play cheap or dirty. But we really could have used an enforcer in this series.

Posted 04:04 AM, 05/02/2008

JBP

Great season, terrible finish, but this schooling makes the changes Ed will try to make easier. There is no denying the strengths and weaknesses of this team and the individual players. Ed will try to bring in a major upgrade at ANY position and he has some nice pieces to use in that quest. There is no untouchable player on this roster IF you can get a major upgrade at ANY position. Closest to untouchable for me is Thaddeus. I am excited to see what the off season will bring. I believe this team will take another positive step forward next year although it may take another deal or two at the trade deadline next season. It will be very interesting how Ed goes about moving the puzzle pieces around. Thanks MO and TEAM!

Posted 07:54 AM, 05/02/2008

seude

Would love to ask both Dre!s their honest opinion of Sam!s performance. Only 2 untradables to me are [Iggy and Thad]. I love A.Miller but unless Iggy is dealt we need to add shooters to this roster. Watching Detroit play makes you appreciate having everybody on the floor be a threat on the offensive end.Sam and Reggie made it 4 on 5 too much for this team on offense. Have a feeling A.Miller won!t admit it but would like to go to a team closer to winning it "now".His expiring contract adds major value to him on the market and I hope he gets a chance to win somewhere. You look up the word " class" in the dictionary and his picture is under it.

Posted 08:16 AM, 05/02/2008

RG

Thanks for a great, totally unexpected season, regardless of how it ended.

Posted 08:37 AM, 05/02/2008

giacometti

The season is over but let's put things in perspective... NO BASHING ANYONE. Did we expect make the playoffs? And for the most part we did equip ourselves well against Detroit. Remember, 59 vs 40... we did do very well. Mo and all the team should hang their heads up high for the season we have had. Anyone (ANYONE) who wants to knock this team (or anyone on the team) for what they have achieved this season should switch their support to horseshoes... no support, no respect...

Posted 08:57 AM, 05/02/2008

TormentedinBeantown

Suede - couldn't agree with you more. I was mystified at Sam's and Reggie's inability to finish off plays when they get the ball in the paint. For a $10MM / yr center, that play should be automatic. Unless we can get a real PF, we will continue to suffer in the paint. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS...I'm just glad to be blogging about a Sixers game in May. We should be proud that we brought out the best in the Pistons. They couldn't walk over us like a door mat. Unfortunately they realized that midway through Game 4 and played like a Champion from there on out. Considering how young our team is and how we played in the first half of the year, that's very encouraging.

Posted 09:18 AM, 05/02/2008

The Greek

For as long as we have Iggy around and playing sg our half court offense will always be stank.

Posted 09:19 AM, 05/02/2008

ReclinerGM

"The roster doesn't have to be totally revamped, but a minimum of one impact player at shooting guard and/or power forward has to be added." Guys what do you think about that statement? Now I know an "impact player" doesn't have to be a starter but to me it sounds like that means no plans to move iggy to the shooting guard position and having Thad be the small forward of the future.

Posted 09:31 AM, 05/02/2008

SwollCracker

What a fun ride it has been this season watching a team search for any kind of identity and then find one for the final third of the season. The loss last night was painful but to make the playoffs and get a pair of games against a team as solid as the Pistons speaks volumes. While much of the discussion in the near future will be about Andre Iguodala and his contract, the real issue for the Sixers is in the frontcourt. I donb't think Sam Dalembert has the goods to get the Sixers to the top of the Eastern Conference. Reggie Evans doesn't have enough offensive game to be anything more than a spot player off the bench. Jason Smith is young, skilled, and unproven re: the physical demands on an 82-game NBA schedule. It will not be as simple as signing a free agent with an inside presence. I'm also not sure that any top big man will want to come to the Sixers when the only thing they seem interested in using the bigs for is high screens and garbage around the hoop; that's not the path to an All-Star career. Which means a complete revamp of the Sixers half-court sets where they actually run plays for the 4 and the 5 is an off-season must. I really look forward to the draft this year to see what new players will be added to fill out the team and to see what direction the team may be headed.

Posted 09:53 AM, 05/02/2008

The Greek

Thad will be the Sf, he better f'n be the sf next year! Like recliner said, we need a Pf and a SG who could actually shoot unlike the larks that we have.

Posted 10:02 AM, 05/02/2008

The Greek

Also can we ship Sammy the Idiot off to some other team where he could find his role. What a magical place that would be where Sammy Idiot would bring the ball up, throw behind the back wild passes, shoot 18 foot jumpers, or wildy drive to the rim and shoot off the wrong foot. Sam, your garbage just like your hair.

Posted 10:06 AM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

GM: I agree totally. The goal is to add above average players.

Posted 10:07 AM, 05/02/2008

hugh

I am loving how much criticism Sam has been getting - loving it. I also enjoy how everyone is now clamoring for a PF who can score in the post. I do remember everyone talking about CDR about a month ago. NBA basketball was played last night by Detroit - Defense, post play, jump shooting. This is how you build a team. Start in the post, and work your way out. A solid PG who can penetrate and get players open shots - and players who can knock them down. It is obviously not that easy to put together, but this is how it should be done. It also helps to have smart players, who know where they should be at all times - this is partly coaching, partly focus by the players. We have money and a mid first rounder and trading chips (Miller) - this should get us some of the things we need - don't draft guys from the Senegal who don't know the game and who are raw, we don't have the time to develop them or the money to resign them while they are still developing (i.e Sammy). We have a lot of flexibility this off-season - lets see what Ed will do.

Posted 10:12 AM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Hugh: Of course you are loving it! We have a lot of flexibility this off-season, and we also have some pieces in place. I'm of the opinion that if the Sixers add 2 quality players, 1 forward and 1 guard, to the roster, it's then a question of how much the young players improve over the summer.

Posted 10:12 AM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Hugh: Of course you are loving it! We have a lot of flexibility this off-season, and we also have some pieces in place. I'm of the opinion that if the Sixers add 2 quality players, 1 forward and 1 guard, to the roster, it's then a question of how much the young players improve over the summer.

Posted 10:14 AM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Here is my current off season wish list: Willie Green plus our cap space to LA for Lamar Odom; draft a SG who can shoot the 3 and play strong D.

Posted 10:27 AM, 05/02/2008

The Greek

Wow with AI and the stank of Sammy I have forgotten about Willie Green. Hugh, I would still love to have CDR, the dude can shoot. Our larks can't. Maybe next season they will call some plays for Thad. I am expecting 15 pts a game from him. If we truly want to commit to the suns running style we should go and try to get Marion if the heat doesn't resign him. Hell if worse came to worse We should do a sign and trade of iggy for Marion.

Posted 10:28 AM, 05/02/2008

SIDELINESHOW.COM

I just don't understand you people in Philly don't understand team work if it fell in your lap. You booed this team when they were down 79-51? In the third quarter HOW DARE YOU BUMS IN PHILADELPHIA for doing this. This team the 76ers come out of know where this season and you give you all they had making the playoffs and winning two game in this series against the Pistons and all you can do is BOO. PHILADELPHIA THAT'S WHY THE EAGELS STINK AND THE METS WILL WIN THE DIVISION THIS YEAR. Philly you don't deserve the 76ers. SIDELINESHOW.COM

Posted 10:34 AM, 05/02/2008

RG

Well, if we are playing offseason wish list, lets start by resigning Iggy and LouWil (love him as a sixth man, lets hope another GM doesn't get stupid and offer him starter's money). Is anyone else's contract up? The other huge issue is Thad/Iggy if they get a starting caliber PF. Can Iggy play the 2, or would one have to come off the bench?

Posted 10:35 AM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Wow, after that display of grammar, punctuation and spelling, not to mention insight, I really want to visit that blog!

Posted 10:46 AM, 05/02/2008

AaronMcKie4MVP

Thad, Lou williams, Jason Smith, and Andre miller should remain on the roster. everyone else can be expendable. can we please get someone that can grab a rebound that would otherwise go the opposing team. sammy's 10 boards a game are garbage. if he doesnt grab it, the ball will just fall to another Sixer. we need a guy that boxes out and rips boards.

Posted 11:17 AM, 05/02/2008

K,M

I remember when we were considering lottery positioning a few months ago, and when people were crying the blues because the team didn't get blown up at the trade deadline. all things considered, its been a hell of a run and the season needs to be seen as a net gain. ********** We've seen Thaddeus & Lou perform under pressure, we've seen Carney do the same(though not with nearly as many minutes as i would have liked). Hopefully Igoudala got some cold water splashed on his face and he'll be more realistic about contract expectations. If it gets really tough, we could always just show him Tay's contract and ask him if he really thinks he's worth that much more than the guy who owned him in the playoffs (I joke - somewhat. I do think he's an important part of the team, but i also think overpaying is a real risk. Its a tough calcuation to make). JSmith has shown sporadic flashes of promise, but hopefully realizes he still has a lot of work to do. He should spend the summer working out with reggie to toughen up some, and to learn how to get positioned for rebounds. ************** So now we have a draft and an offseason coming up, and needs to address. We'll learn alot about our new GM. Marc, your comments re adding a 2 & 4 dont seem to leave room to Thad and Dre to start. is that an accurate assessment of your meaning? just curious. Personally, I'm not set in stone on who the lineup, reserving judgment until i see how the roster shakes out. I do think if Dre is resigned, having him and Thaddeus out there at once is key. They didn't work together especially well this season, but their skill sets seem complimentary on paper and with a training camp to work on it they could be pretty fearsome. **********

Posted 11:21 AM, 05/02/2008

K,M

Finally, whats up with the columnists today crying over Korver? Nothing against Korver as far as he goes, but i wonder if they checked his numbers this year - 20% three point shooting in playoffs and 37% on the year. And if you just look at his number in philly - 35% on the year. Lou was shooting those numbers, and i bet if you took Carney's second half numbers, they'd look similar too. I know some people were real upset he got traded, but the columns were a few months too late, IMO.

Posted 11:45 AM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

KM: I saw that article - same thought as well: "really?"

Posted 11:50 AM, 05/02/2008

sixerzguy

Morty, you're my hero (how often have you heard that), I like what you said about Mr. Sidelineshow, you beat me to it, he's a classic example of how you can embarrass yourself if you don't think before you speak.

Posted 11:51 AM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

Most columnists seem to think that a power forward is the major need for this time, and they cite rebounding and scoring as the reasons, but with the current lineup we were a pretty good rebounding team (one of the best in the league on the offensive end I believe). So that leaves only scoring. Doesn't it seem to anyone else that Willy Green is the weakest link in the chain. Imagine if we had a shooting guard who could both score consistently (good jump shot/three point ability) and defend. That would mean Iggy would have to take a lot less forced shots and would be more free to slash into the lane/create opportunities for himself without the ball. Likewise, less of the burden would have to be shouldered by Andre Miller, and he could run the offense more and worry about taking shots less. Also would make it easier for him to hit his spots since there's a serious jump-shooting threat on the court. As far as power forward goes, doesn't anyone else think that Thad can develop into a Garnett-type player? He has the length, and we know he has the ability to hit jump shots (every now and then he can hit that three from the baseline, but there's yet to be any consistency with it). I guess consistency in his shot would be the biggest thing, but that will develop as he plays more. Also, he's quick and a good defender who is only going to get better. He may not get to the point next year that a power forward we could acquire elsewhere could accomplish, but with a good shooting guard I imagine his maturation would quicken quite a bit. To me, Willie is the weakest component and the one the Sixers could benefit most from by either making him a backup or trading him away outright. Thoughts? Also, Rodney Carney defended Hamilton much, much better than Green did. Don't know if anyone else noticed that.

Posted 12:06 PM, 05/02/2008

sixerzguy

I just don't understand you people in New York don't understand team work if it fell in your lap. You cheered the Knicks when they got Stephon Marbury, and then Eddy Curry, and then Zach Randolph? HOW STUPID YOU BUMS IN NEW YORK for thinking pairing up a truck-party-having, shoot-first point guard with another shoot-first guard and two fat turds with breasts bigger than the cheerleaders' and who don't wanna rebound would work. This team the Knicks' front office touching all the secretaries and assistants this season and you give you all the money to the one girl who sued you, and the season was so pathetic that the most fun thing during games was the FIRE ISIAH chanting. NEW YORK THAT'S WHY THE GIANTS STINK AND THE PHILLIES WILL WIN THE DIVISION THIS YEAR. New York you deserve the Knicks. SIDELINEidiotSHOW.COM

Posted 12:07 PM, 05/02/2008

JASON RINGLER

Marc, Great year by Sixers and great Post. Big Thanks to the following: Suede, Sixerzguy, Morty, Jumpin Johnny Green, Statman, Greek, KM, Tormented in Beantown, Hugh, and Aaron Mckie4mvp. It has been great reading your posts, and you all have displayed the knowledge and passion that makes Philly Sports fans the finest. You have a friend in L.A. Jason- Los Angeles

Posted 12:11 PM, 05/02/2008

sixerzguy

Marc, I thought this new format was supposed to allow for better screening of comments like that from Mr.Sideline?

Posted 12:21 PM, 05/02/2008

hugh

tom, I am in the PF camp as well. This game starts in the post and works its way out. Also, I really like Mo, which is why it makes it hard for me to say this, but I really don't like him as a head coach. I am all for getting out and getting easy baskets, but he doesn't ever run half-court plays - EVER. You need to be able to design plays for guys to have them take advantage of their size and skill sets. I was ok this year running and gunning and what not, because this team is young and didn't have a lot of shooters - thanks BK - but this is not the way to build a long-term winning team. You need strong post play (see Orlando). Strong post play will lead to open 3's and open driving lanes which makes it easier on the other players. Excellent post play (and solid D) leads to teams like San Antonio, Detroit and the LA Lakers (w/ Shaq). Even Jordan was at his best when he developed that fade-away in the post - remember how tough he was down there when guys would over-commit and he would just go up and under or when he would just fade away anyway and drill it someone's face? This is why I have been calling for Iggy to get down there and develop that part of his game, because in the playoffs - it is about half-court execution. By the way, I hate this new format of the blog. C'mom Marc - it has to be better than this.

Posted 12:56 PM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

Hugh. But don't you think we first need some sort of reliable threat when it comes to the outside shot to open up the low post a little bit more. Even if we had a good post player, they could double him without much fear of anyone being able to hit an open jump shot. If you have someone with a good shooting range, they have to respect him, and a low post player drawing a double team becomes a lot more trouble. Low post player (ie young or sammy) could quick the ball out, then we could rotate the ball to the open man (hopefully the new shooting guard) and get an open look. It'd be great if Young were just a little bit bigger, then he could be our PF for sure. The drawback to a PF, as I see it, is what do you do with Young/Iggy. If you move young to SF, then where does Iggy go. Shooting guard? We know he's no pure shooter, this series has proved this. He seems more comfortable slashing into the lane and finding his spots in other ways. If Young were to model himself after Garnett, I think he could develop into that type of player: lean, quick, good defense, great hands, good shooting range. I agree that an awesome low post player always helps, like a Duncan or a Dwight Howard, but between Thad and Sammy, I think we could have that. Good shooting guard means we can space the floor better, making things easier for the big men down low. It just seems to me that a shooting guard would free up everybody to play more to their strengths. As far as Mo goes, I know he doesn't run half-court plays, and I agree that's a weakness, but he is a great coach. Look at how much he got out of this team. If you swapped him and Byron Scott (the coach of the year), do you think he could have done this much with the Sixers? I don't. Mo knows how to create a team, not just a group of players. Over the year, we had multiple different lineups play with the same effectiveness because they understood how to play as a team, thanks to Mo.

Posted 12:56 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Thanks, Jason, and thanks Sixerzguy.

Posted 12:59 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

So now we have to wait at least 2, and probably more, months for news and changes. Hopefully, the way the Sixers were handled in the 2nd half of that series will silence the Billy King revivalists. Stefanski has nice pieces to work with, but this team needs a lot more before we can truly compete in the playoffs with the top teams in the league.

Posted 01:01 PM, 05/02/2008

AaronMcKie4MVP

to Tom_Sixer -- I agree that we look like a good rebounding team on paper. our numbers usually look good. however, i watch rebounding very closely and i dont feel the Sixers do a very good job. I see many rebounds the sixers get as 'uncontested' - where there is no opponent in the vacinity of the ball. I see Philly give up lots of offensive boards due to lack of boxing out- boxing out is hard work and these guys arent strong enough to force bodies out of the paint. Maxiel for example, is a guy who gets tough rebounds. he grabs boards that would go to philly if he weren't grabbing it. these types of boards make a difference in games - on the offensive end they lead to points, on the defensive end, they prevent the opponent from a scoring opp ("hence the term 'defensive rebound') Milsapp on Utah is another one of these guys.

Posted 01:07 PM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

to Aaron. That's certainly a good point. The strongest guy we have would probably be Evans, but he's no scoring threat. My question to you though is how do you fit all of the pieces into a lineup if you acquire a power forward. Where does Young go? Where does Iggy go?

Posted 01:11 PM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

Thinking about my own question: maybe they should move Sammy in favor of a more dominant/strong center? That would mean Young could still play PF and Iggy could play SF. Can we agree that Willie's got to go? Or at least come off of the bench?

Posted 01:39 PM, 05/02/2008

neldogg77

To tom_sixer: how many dominant centers are there in the Association? And how many are available via free agency or trade? None. Sammy is one of the few to average a double-double, and he's a strong shot blocker. Yes, he's overpaid, but most everyone in the league is. Also, can we stop with the "let Iggy go, get more cap$$" idea? Iggy is restricted, meaning not only can we match any offer he recieves but we can go above the cap to do it. Right now he's on the cap for his rookie $$ which is like 3mil. So signing him is a priority, but it can wait till we get the next piece. That next piece has either got to be a real PF (love Reggie, but if E. Brand is out there, go for it) or trading W.Green for someone who can shoot. Another thing: GREAT season from this team and Mo. Hopefully, Iggy,Thad, L.Will (who let's just pray doesn't think he's Monta Ellis), and Carney spend the summer shooting tons of jumpers and improving their perimeter game. Sheed made two more threes than our entire team. We were last in playoff teams in both three pointers and free throw shooting. Yes, we are a great rebounding team (especially offensively) but part of that is b/c we miss so many shots. And everyone keeps bringing up our need for a new shooting guard - but who?

Posted 01:43 PM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

To neldogg77. Yeah I definitely agree that good centers are extremely hard to come by. I'm just asking, if you acquire a power forward, how do you use the pieces you have to create your starting 5? Elton Brand would be awesome, I certainly agree. What would your lineup be with Brand in, considering Young/Iggy/Sammy? I'm really curious about this since everyone says we need a strong PF, which I can agree with, but nobody says what the lineup would shape up to be.

Posted 01:56 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

To neldogg and tom: We need to put the best 5 players we can on the floor, that's all. Obviously we need a better forward, and we could use a better guard. But the key is just to get deeper. So that's why I don't mind Thad at SF and Igoudala at SG if we can get a starting caliber PF, or Thad at PF if we can get a starting quality SG. No more starting lineups that include Willie Green and Reggie Evans.

Posted 02:25 PM, 05/02/2008

Statman

Before I get to some comments, big thanks to Marc for consistently starting some great discussions on this blog and answering many of our comments (even some that didn't deserve answering). Thanks also to all the regular bloggers, both those that I usually agreed with (KM: I think our posting similarity score, borrowing a term from baseball-reference.com, would be quite high) and those that I often didn't. Jason in LA: reciprocal thanks, and I often found your comments refreshingly positive -- it was, after all, a season that deserved more positive comments than negative. Jumpin'Johnny: I enjoyed our debates and found your viewpoints -- whether I agreed with them or not -- always well-made and often entertaining to read (with your characteristic and quirky phrase turns). Trade and draft speculation is not my forte, so after these next couple posts I'll be dormant until the fall (though still lurking to see what you all think after the draft). See you then!

Posted 02:36 PM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

To morty, you are the voice of reason. My only question to you is that do you think Iggy can develop into a strong shooting guard? A good PF would probably allow him to do this, and take a little pressure off of him to have to create his own shot all of the time. Also, he's probably our best defender, and he would (with the addition of a PF) naturally match up with the likes of Kobe or LeBaby James. His shooting sometimes scares me, especially in the last series, but he did have Prince over him the whole time. Fielding the best five would be the best way to go, and I think you put it best when you said no more Evans or Green in the starting lineup. I think the way these guys can develop and improve over the summer will help immensely with our depth, plus we know the chemistry between everyone is really good, so that's a huge help (and I feel Mo is intricate in creating/keeping that chemistry). Someone better has to be at the shooting guard; Willie's lack of defense on Hamilton really demonstrated that in my eyes. He couldn't stop him, nor could he answer him when given the chance at the offensive end.

Posted 02:37 PM, 05/02/2008

Statman

My final grades for the season (players graded on per-minute performance, regardless of salary): Iguodala:A, Evans:C, Dalembert:B-, Miller:A, Green:C, Young:B+, Carney:C- (D- first half, B second half), Smith:C-, Booth:D-, Amundson:D-, Randolph:D, Williams:B (A- before the fall, B- after), Ollie:C, Korver:C-, Giricek:D-, Cheeks:B+ (C- for strategy, A- for player management, A for emotional makeup). Agree/disagree?

Posted 02:44 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Thanks, Tom. and I'd like to echo the fellow commenter love-fest. As far as Igoudala at SG goes, all I know is that he is better than Willie Green, and the the drop off from Igoudala to Young at SF is smaller than the gain from Green to Igoudala at SG. Therefore, it's a net positive for the team. Other than any additions we make this summer, the biggest key is what improvements Lou, Thad, Smith and Carney make in their respective games.

Posted 02:46 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Statman: I think your grades are pretty much right on.

Posted 02:46 PM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

I agree with pretty much everything except Evans, I would give him a B. He was a starter to begin with, and moved to coming off the bench without any type of argument or drop off in intensity. Coming off the bench almost seems better for him; he just keeps getting more and more excited to get in the game then he goes nuts after they put him in the game. Plus he did exactly what we expected: a pretty decent defender, who is better at getting under another player's skin, gets calls to go our way, and a good rebounder. Plus you can't undervalue the energy he brings to the team that match. As for Lou Williams, a lower grade for the 2nd half of the season over the first? I don't think so. Initially, Williams would shoot no matter what the situation, taking like 5 impossible shots a game. He developed into playing within the flow of the game, making good passes (which was a change over making next to no passes), and only taking 1 or 2 impossible shots a game, one of which he could always seem to make. His shot also seemed to come along quite a bit by the end of the season. Why do you think he got worse as the season progressed?

Posted 02:49 PM, 05/02/2008

tom_sixer

To Morty. Yeah their development is key. I think Carney has a lot of upside, and he seemed to gain confidence he was missing before this season. I was impressed with his defense over the last half of the season. He plays with such quickness and energy that he can help in shutting down some pretty good players. Also, there were a few times where, if he made an error on one end, he'd make up for it at the other (such as a bad shot, then force a turnover, then hit an open shot or make a nice drive to the basket). I agree with your idea of the net positive for moving Iggy to shooting guard and Thad to SF. Putting Brand in at PF would be pretty sweet it if happened.

Posted 02:56 PM, 05/02/2008

The Greek

Save your breath for your pourage gia, when you have watched the likes of Kenny "make it rain" Payne, and Christian "The Punisher" welp run down the court you have the right to say what you want. Jason, thanks for the props. But now the real season starts for us sixers lovers. This is when the casual fan shuts it down until october. I like your list..... Suede, Sixerzguy, Morty, Jumpin Johnny Green, Statman, Greek Tormented in Beantown, Hugh, and Aaron Mckie4mvp. I would like to add sfw to that mix. BTW, aaron mkckie that was a pheneomenal post at 10:46 am. I agree with you about keeping J.Smith, Thad, Lou, and Miller and making everyone else expendable.

Posted 02:58 PM, 05/02/2008

The Greek

I meant your post at 1:01, love the comment about rebounding

Posted 02:59 PM, 05/02/2008

Statman

Tom_sixer: thanks for the feedback. Evans provided much needed rebounding and defensive hustle (though not a great man-to-man defender) and was a 100% improvement over Steven Hunter in that regard. However, he is a complete liability on the offensive end (other than o-rebs). As for Lou, he did improve his decision-making and passing over the course of the season, but he went from being an excellent offensive player of the bench before the fall (47% FG, 45% 3P) to merely a good one after. I'm a fan and think he can become even better if he becomes stronger.

Posted 03:06 PM, 05/02/2008

K,M

Thanks Jason & Statman. Its always good to be able to talk ball without having to spend money at a bar... Statman, regarding Lou's grade, i agree with you that there was a dropoff in agression/scoring after his meeting with the floor. But i do agree with tom's assessment that his floor game improved a good deal in the 2nd half. all told, I think i'd rate him a B+...I went from thinking he was a really good sixth man to my current position that he could potentially run the point after another year of training under miller and cheeks. He's adopted Miller's beautiful shot fake, and seems to be catching on to Miller's knack for knowing where the ball needs to be/what the team needs at a given moment. And i think he pays better attention to defense now. All told, I'm pretty high on Lou, but cant give him an A for the season due to the dropoff around the midpoint, and some general consistency issues.

Posted 03:20 PM, 05/02/2008

Statman

Final comments on Iguodala, since I'm probably his biggest fan left on the board. First, keep in mind that the team salary cap has increased by $12M over the last four years ($2M last year), so if you're willing to pay him $11.4M (what he was offered) but not $13M, you're risking losing your best asset over an amount that will probably have no effect on your cap flexibility. Second, the next contract he signs will be for the prime of his career, and you're paying not for what he's already provided but for the promise of what he *will* provide. So Stefanski and the Sixers' management should ask the following. Is he likely to improve or is this the best we'll ever get? Does he have the physical tools and the motivation/attitude to improve? Can he blend well with other players? Does he make the players around him better? Does he accept instruction well and get along with his coach? If you look at his body of work over the last two years and judge him fairly, I think the answers to all those questions are 'yes'; feel free to disagree. Thankfully, it sounded from his postgame comments that he wants to return; hopefully that means he won't demand the maximum (which for this year's cap would be 5 years, $73M).

Posted 03:29 PM, 05/02/2008

hugh

Tom - shooters are a lot easier to come by - I hear you on Thad, but he has to be the SF here - I really like him and recently posted that he is going to be our best player in 2 years - when we will have to re-sign him - this is where Iggy might just be the odd man out. He has to play the 2 if he is going to be here, but like you say - if he can't improve his consistency with the j - then he might not be the right fit - too many times, people look at it like, they let this guy or that guy go - but sometimes, letting a guy sign elsewhere is the smart move - even if he is a good player. BK hurt us by not taking a PF or legit shooter (Bellinelli) in that he has us in a position where we have to decide on Iggy with the emergence of Thad. I think Thad is going to be a really good player - he has a frame that can hold 15-20 more lbs of muscle and he is really athletic and has really long arms. He never loses his cool and looks like a hard-worker. If he can develop his jump shot, he can be a bigger and stronger Tayshaun Prince - and he will be getting big-time offers after his contract is up if he develops like I think he will. While I like Iggy and I think his shot has improved, he is no Michael Redd - he might be the odd guy out. I also hope that Ed looks to move Sam in the off-season - he could land us the 2g we need - let Iggy go - sign Calderon draft the PF - we are in good shape. Jason Smith could be the center next year. Take Miller's money next year and get a another big guy - I can't wait for the draft.

Posted 03:32 PM, 05/02/2008

Statman

Whoops -- my facts were wrong regarding the max contract that AIG can sign for. The max individual salary applies only to the first year of a multi-year deal. Whatever the case, hopefully his salary demands are reasonable.

Posted 03:50 PM, 05/02/2008

BFrank

Hugh, what are you smoking? You want a starting line-up of Jason Smith, DJ White, Young, a Mike Miller/Bellinelli/Redd type SG and Caleron, with Booth, Evans, Carney and Lou Williams off the bench? You aren't serious are you???

Posted 04:01 PM, 05/02/2008

JYurk

Just wanted to tip my cap to the Sixers for an overall great year. It was nice having the NBA in Philadelphia relevant again. (too bad most Philly sports fans didn't realize it. The turnout last night was pathetic). I could have done without the poor efforts the last three games (two of which I was in attendance) but I won't kill them too much for it. Hopefully this year was a sign of things to come. We've got a likeable and talented young core and I can't wait to see what Ed Stefanski can do with it.

Posted 04:20 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Statman: You make a strong case for Igoudala, especially when you break the numbers down. This will be a test for Igoudala as well, howver. Is he willing to take less money for the good fo the team? KM: The biggest imrpvement I saw from Lou was his defense. He was a real liability at the begining of the year, and really stepped up his effort and smarts in the 2nd half of the season. I'm high on Lou as well. He still has to prove he can be a starting quality PG, but there is the potential. Getting stronger would be a great start.

Posted 04:26 PM, 05/02/2008

sfw

Thanks Greek! appreciate the comment. Been dormant a bit. Letting the season sink in. Big ups to the season and downer in the playoffs but the most talented team won. Ed S wants to add to what we have. Regarding the draft, Still like the idea of Hibbert at our current spot to provide some interior offense and intelligence which is really missing at that position. He and Sammy could provide a very nice combo for 48 minutes. It will be fun playing GM in the offseason. Since the last draft, the organization is emphasizing quality people/players not just jerks who populate much of the NBA. By the way loved the fact that the original AI left the playoffs prior to the Sixers and we'll see how Denver values him going forward. No idea where he'll end up(Maybe NYKnicks? We'll see. Go Sixers!

Posted 04:48 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

By the way, did everyone else see the article that says ES is thinking about extending Mo beyond just the one year? Slow down there, Ed. First, see how Mo handles your additions, growth of the young guys for another 1/2 season with some higher expectations, etc.

Posted 05:26 PM, 05/02/2008

sixerzguy

Morty, geez, thanks I lot, I'd managed to get that out of my mind for the day, I need some time for his playoff non-adjustments to fade from memory. I don't mind him getting an extension, but if he's the kind of coach that doesn't wanna make adjustments in the playoffs, then it's up to ES to make the team so darn good that we don't have to.

Posted 05:45 PM, 05/02/2008

sixerzguy

BFrank, you forgot one thing - we traded Sammy for a good player, for example, Al Harrington.

Posted 06:18 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

iF I was E.S.; Call Pheonix, offer Sam and Reggie [55 MIN.,15 PTS., 18 REB.;15.7 MILL. FOR 3 YEARS] for Shaq [ 29 min.,14 pts., 9 reb.; 20 mill. for 2 years]. Draft Hibbard or trade 16 pick to Memphis for M. Gasol. Call Milwaukee, offer H.Hill, Utah #1 and 2.7 cap room for C.Villanuava. Call Toronto, if they can!t move Ford [injuries] than offer A.Miller [10.5 mill. expiring contract, p.g. insurance] for Calderon [7 to 8 mill. (sign and trade) and J.Graham. Now you have answered all your needs;[ low post scoring,perimeter shooting, basketball I.Q., getting longer[ create rather than have to deal with mismatches].Depth chart: CENTER: Shaq, Hibbard: POWER FORWARD: Villanueva, J.Smith: SMALL FORWARD: T.Young, J.Graham,Carney: SHOOTING GUARD: Iggy,W.Green: POINTGUARD: Calderon,L.Will. You still have 3 to 4 mill. in cap room to add a big defensive guard through the draft, get late 1st rounder or somebody already in the league. What do you guys think?

Posted 06:26 PM, 05/02/2008

Morty_

Would absolutely love to get Calderon, I'm not sure how likely it is, however. You're on the right track in targeting teams that are in flux of one kind or another. What about Charlotte, do they have any players we could use? You know LB is already ready to trade half that team.

Posted 06:33 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

5 Reasons Charlotte may trade Okafor for Sam: 1) They draft K.Love; 2)S.May comes back from injury; 3) Okafor wants 15 mill. per; 4)L.Brown thinks Sam can become B.Russell ;5) M.Jordan [K.Brown?]

Posted 06:43 PM, 05/02/2008

sixerzguy

Okafor would be perfect next to Jason Smith at center. Charlotte's lineup would be very interesting, Sammy, Love, Wallace, Richardson, Felton, Sean May, Adam Morrison, Matt Carroll coming off the bench. Love makes up for Sammy's low IQ, Wallace and Richardson spreading the floor, does Larry take yet another team to the playoffs? suede, I like this simple trade better than the blockbuster.

Posted 06:53 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

Hoopshype is saying B.Gordon may be our 2nd option after Brand, I lovvve J.R.Smith in Denver. Best shooter in league in next few years and at 6!6" wouldn!t be a height mismatch at the 2.

Posted 07:02 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

Sixerzguy, I am so fed up with Sam!s body language, his comments, his getting hit in the head with passes; I look at him and can!t imagine him EVER winning a championship.He actually said the other day in a newspaper that he thought his haircut would fire up his teammates, are you kidding me!!!

Posted 07:07 PM, 05/02/2008

sfw

With A. Millers and staff's guidance, could Gordon mature into a consistant scorer? Does he play 'D'? He's a small 2 guard. Sometimes a change of scenery does wonders, sometimes not. That leaves Iggy at the 3 & Thad at the 4. Not sure about that. Unless Iggy is used in a sign and trade for Brand or Jamison????

Posted 07:12 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

S.F.W., on the scouting reports on DRAFTXPRESS it said Gordon could defend the point guard position but had trouble with the big 2 guards.He turned down more than Iggy last year though. Thought we would get bigger though.

Posted 07:18 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

S.F.W., could they be thinking Thad could be a combo forward off the bench next year and Iggy at the 3?

Posted 07:29 PM, 05/02/2008

neldogg77

I read on SI.com that B.Gordon will be our #2 target if we can't get Brand. Gordon would be instant offense and leave Iggy at the 3. Jamison is going to be a FA. I don't think Okafor is the answer (undersized and not a consistent scorer). I like JR Smith too, but he's a head case. Sixers need more smart warriors and some shooting. Question is, if Brand doesn't want to opt out (16mil if he stays in LA), what can Sixers do to make it happen? I don't think there's anyone else out there (J. O'Neal, E.Curry, Z.Randolph, but they all suck.)

Posted 07:37 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

Nelldog, Okafor is 6!10" and 255, good size for a 4. Been watching J.R. Smith this year, seems he is giving effort on "D" and staying out of trouble but who knows. As far as options, how about D.Gooden, N.Collison or maybe C.Smith as part of a platoon at the 4.

Posted 08:01 PM, 05/02/2008

sfw

An Okafor/Sammy combo is a nogo. Not enough offense. Gordon & Lou Will also don't seem to be a good fit. Not sure about those combo's. Point about Thad a good one. Doesn't have to start. When did TPrince become a starter in Detroit? Wasn't he a 6th man for a couple years? Gordon has never impressed me as a consistant scorer and takes a lot of bad and he hasn't won much. Nervous about giving him a lot of money.

Posted 08:09 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

If I!m bringing in a 2 guard I go after Maggette. His outside shooting and overall game has really improved and his asking price if he opts out shouldn!t be as high as Gordon.

Posted 08:22 PM, 05/02/2008

sfw

Boy, this is only just beginning. Just le it play out for a while. When the draft is coming up in June, it's time to play GM.

Posted 10:31 PM, 05/02/2008

xing

Suede and Neldogg, I have to agree with sfw about Okafor/Sammy- you have 2 players with similar skills(ok, I'm stretching that for Sammy). Sammy is less of scorer, and Okafor's better at his position, but no balance. We need a Brand- type, or maybe even Josh Smith. Smith can score, but his bad side is that he's not the strong inside presence we need on offense. I would be willing to gamble on Brand (pending health clearance) or Smith at this point. They're both much better than what we have. Also, I have no qualms about taking Green out and having Thad at SF, Iggy at SG. this may be an emotional response to this last series, but at this point I would also be willing to give up Iggy for Maggette if the deal were possible. I may change that opinion in a few days when my annoyance subsides. Stats-wise, he's similar to Iggy (points and reb's slightly higher, assists are lower). Suede, Maggette could play the 2 guard- he's big and he does score. I'm not sure that he plays solid defense, but he seems to be a decent rebounder for his position. What do some of you think of Craig Smith, young guy from Minny?

Posted 10:37 PM, 05/02/2008

sfw

xing, concerned about his height and athleticism. Seemed to put up better numbers with limited time off the bench. Think he is good against certain personel. A good role player. He would be ok in a rotation if we spent our big money on a scoring 2 or 3.

Posted 10:59 PM, 05/02/2008

sfw

After catching the end of the Atlanta/Boston game, it emphasizes how you need a balance of offensive talent who buy into giving effort on defense. All 5 starters on Atlanta are threats to score in the 1/2 court. The Sixers must play in transition to win. If the other team forces a 1/2 court game like the pistons the sixers are in trouble. This should come into play when Ed S makes his moves tis offseason.

Posted 11:19 PM, 05/02/2008

seude

xING, I would trade Sam and some cap room for Okafor but I agree he and Sam can!t coexist. Smith is an in the lane area scorer but if Reggie wasn!t here he would be a better fit.

Posted 12:03 AM, 05/03/2008

sixerzguy

KM, Morty, watch Korver with Utah if you get the chance. His slightly overrated 3-point shooting has carried over, but he plays much more differently than he did when he was here. Jerry Sloan plays him at shooting guard on the 2nd unit. If he's got a smaller defender they clear out for him and he posts the guy up. He's driving and dishing and making passes to cutters. He's not being exposed on defense like he was here. There was that editorial asking whether or not we could've used Korver, but the answer really isn't a simple yes or no. If we had Utah's offense and coaching smarts, then yes, he really could've contributed. But if all we're using him for is for hanging around the 3-point line waiting to bail out guys who drive into the lane and have nowhere to go, then he really wouldn't have helped much. And this is what I HATE about the coaching staff we have right now - they tend to pigeonhole people into certain roles and never think outside the box. With Korver, I felt like they didn't fully explore the question, "How many ways can he contribute to the team?" I agree with Hugh about Iguodala posting up if he's a shooting guard - if he's the SG and he's not taught to post up, then that just shows me the Sixers organization just isn't serious about winning a championship, and that they're committed to entertainment only. I'm glad that there will be expectations next year, because if the coaching staff doesnt' step it up, Philly will come down on them hard because they can't use the we-weren't-supposed-to-get-this-far excuse anymore.

Posted 01:03 AM, 05/03/2008

Lanphier75

"We know that Andre Iguodala is not a No. 1 option on a championship-caliber team. The way he was shut down in this series confirmed that. He is a very good player, and if he's more realistic this summer than he was last summer when he turned down a reported $57 million offer, Iguodala should be brought back." By John Smallwood Philadelphia Daily News Daily News Sports Columnist Posted on Fri, May. 2, 2008 "The primary lesson is that Andre Iguodala is a nice player, but not as special as might have been hoped. The Pistons decided to shut him down and did that fairly effectively, holding him to an average of 13 points per game and, by extension, the Sixers to an average of 86. Iguodala is a good regular-season player - "You get some easy shots then," Cheeks said - but not the caliber of star capable of leading a team in the playoffs." By Bob Ford Inquirer Sports Columnist Posted on Fri, May. 2, 2008 PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE - let Andre go to an organization that appreciates his abilities. It's clear he's not appreciated in Philly.

Posted 08:21 AM, 05/03/2008

Dean1

There are two guys that I think we should target for the "PG of the future" position in the offseason: Kyle Lowry and Beno Udrih. Lowry can be obtained via a trade with Memphis; the Griz have to move either Lowry or Crittendon, and Lowry is the more likely player to go since Crittendon is the only active player that Memphis got out of the Gasol deal. I'd use Rodney Carney's good 2nd half of the season as trade bait and maybe throw in a 2nd rd. pick down the road. In terms of Udrih, he's an unrestricted free agent from Sacramento and had a wonderful season when Bibby was hurt / got traded. He's a 85% FT shooter, avg'd 12.1 pts, 4.3 rb, and 3.4 ast in his first full year as a starter; plus, he'd be very affordable. Much in the Calderon makeup, but a lot cheaper due to a lot less visibility thus far in his career. All in all though, Lowry is the first choice here as it saves cap room for what I'm proposing next. After one of these two moves were made, I'd then offer the Clippers a re-signed Lou Williams, Jason Smith, and a 2009 #1 draft choice for Elton Brand in a dual sign and trade (Brand, as a restricted FA, can sign a new deal; it would have to be for a minimum of 5 years). I'd then draft Roy Hibbert at the 16 slot in the upcoming 2008 NBA Draft. By making these moves, you've now dealt with: (a) the low-post scoring issue and the big-man issue as a whole and (b) the PG of the future issue. Now, the only item left to deal with is the lack of outside shooter issue, which could be addressed by moving Andre Miller at the trade deaadline for a big-time SG assuming Lowry / Udrih is ready to take over the helm full-time at PG.

Posted 08:23 AM, 05/03/2008

seude

I want to make a comparison; Dr.J to Iggy; I!m not saying Iggy is as good, but more style of play.It took Doc a few years to adjust to Boston!s mugging style of defense in the playoffs after the freestyle play of thr A.B.A. playoffs.Iggy has to develop things Doc got better at, a mid range bank shot and even a good 15 to 20 footer once in a while but these playoffs should have showed him what he has to work on. He was on the radio yesterday, he seems dedicated to staying in shape. He said he is actually a "boring guy" when asked about his summer plans. Didn!t sound like a guy who wouldn!t improve his game.

Posted 08:34 AM, 05/03/2008

seude

Dean, I just brought up Udrih with my brother,S.F.W. ,last night, but as a replacement if we deal A.Miller this summer. He runs a team well and with 4 years in the Spurs system he has been in a good organization.The 2 issues to getting him are ; 1] he says he wants to resign with Sac.;2] he wants to start and play now, after his success this year.My brother also suggested a simple p.g. solution; if L.Will. is not our p.g. of the future work out a sign and trade with Toronto for Calderon, because L.Will. may fit Toronto!s style .

Posted 08:46 AM, 05/03/2008

seude

Dean, good to have you back by the way, trying to understand the sign and trade rules. On SALARYCAPFAQ it says players become base year guys and you can!t trade equal value guys for each other without a third team possibly getting involved. Maybe you can figure it out, iys all legalize as far as I!M CONCERNED.

Posted 09:52 AM, 05/03/2008

Dean1

Suede - I really think the key to this whole thing over the next 5-10 years is to (a) get Elton Brand in here and (b) use Andre Miller's phenomenal season to maximize his trade value. Really...in 3 or 4 years when this team is at it's peak, will Andre Miller be anywhere near the player that he was this season? Probably not. So, play the odds and get your PG of the future like I stated above. Would you trade Andre Miller to Memphis for a combination of Mike Miller and Hakim Warrick and the trade deadline next season? That's a good question...Miller is an assassin from the outside and could start at the 3 (he's big enough to play 3 on D) leaving Iggy at his more natural 2 position. Where does that leave Thad Young? Well, in the meantime, I think it would behoove the Sixers to bring Thad off the bench...I know everyone loves Thad's play and potential as do I. But he's 19 years of age and, quite frankly, it doesn't really matter who starts and who comes off the bench because you have 96 minutes between the 2 and 3 position to split amongst 3 guys. And, in the case of an injury situation, you have 1 of the 3 ready to step in and start with really no drop off. And, if you follow this plan, you basically address all 3 deficiencies on your team, as long as you sign a backup PG this offseason as the "11th or 12th man" but will eventually fall into the primary backup PG spot once Miller is shipped.

Posted 09:57 AM, 05/03/2008

Dean1

So, based on the above, the 10 man rotation would be (backups in parenthesis): SF Miller (Young, Iggy), PF Brand (Evans), C Dalembert (Hibbert...or vice versa once Roy develops enough), SG Iggy (Young, Miller), PG Lowry / Udrih (backup PG acquired, Willie Green). Once it jells...this is a team that can be one of the best in the East quickly.

Posted 11:19 AM, 05/03/2008

hugh

Bfrank, No - that is not what I am saying - I am saying that BK drafted 3 straight SFs and there is no way we can re-sign all of these guys, even if they are all studs. He probably should have drafted a real SG (like a Bellinelli or Stuckey), although I think Thad is going to be a stud. You can't have both your 2 and 3 not be good shooters. What I am saying is that if we moved Sam for a legit 2 and let Iggy go - we could end up with a guy like Josh Smith at the 4 and a guy like Redd at the 2 - with Miller for one more year and maybe draft a big guy or the next PG.

Posted 11:20 AM, 05/03/2008

seude

Dean, it seems L.Will. is a major issue as far as backup pt. guard is concerned. Can we bring in a Lowry, who I do like, or a bigger guy to play next to L.Will.Miller gets 10.5 mill. next year so you could do that Memphis deal. Another option I like is Chicago for Gooden and Sefalosa. Sefalosa was hitting the jumper better at the end of the year and a trapping unit of Thad, Reggie, Iggy and Thebo at the pt. at 6!6" could raise havoc. I would even give up a future pick to add those 2 players. The thing about Gooden is he is 2"bigger than Brand, 2 years younger, I believe and GETS 6 TO 7 mill. compared to 12 to 15 that Elton probably gets.

Posted 11:26 AM, 05/03/2008

seude

Hugh, It is going to be tough to have Iggy at the 2 but the more likely scenerio is Iggy at the 3 with Thad as a combo forward off the bench. I like Redd and after watching the Atl. series it is really nice to have a go to guy. According to HOOPSHYPE they may be going after B.Gordon as one of their options, hate to get small at the 2 though.

Posted 11:35 AM, 05/03/2008

jjg

Having had 2 nights to digest undercooked gm 6, some end of season conclusions: (1) Dalembert is a charlatan - moving him would underscore organization's seriousness and championship ambition to remainder of roster. To use current parlance, he got "punk'd" (psychologically transformed) by Wallace (and other legit centers during season). After limp playoff performance - including haircut stunt - and 6 seasons of general disappointment, his ticket should be stamped. Time's up. Clown goes if it were up to me. (2) Iguodala is what he is - a good player on an average team. Now might be the time to trade him while his age and projected 'growing curve' tease minds of other GMs. Play his "bull" market value for organizational progress, if opportunity arises. (3) Miller will not repeat this season's performance. Another moveable commodity that could bring a nice return. Go West, not-young player. Thanks for the fine season, with the final 2 asterisked. (4) To peter out like Sixers did in gms 4 1/2, 5 & 6, raises questions about collective heart, b-ball I.Q. and coach's tactics. Where was the never-quit 'fire in the belly' when lights were brightest? For a team that prided itself on effort, ending was shameful. Cheeks & others eventually responded as lap dogs to Pistons. Not what I want from a head coach. Gimme full-throttle valor to end, not deflecting smiles, jokes and homages. (5) Sixers' theme next season should be: "Much Ado About Something"--object of preposition is Ed's tall summer task. (6) Thanks to all who contributed to the discourse. The season was enhanced by being able to gain the wider perspective through a variety of opinions and interchanges. Enjoyment aplenty here. (7) Thanks, Marc, for the intrepid and regular moderation, for making "DeepSixer" blog possible.

Posted 11:50 AM, 05/03/2008

seude

Jumpin, agree about Sam but Iggy, at the right price,10 to 12 mill., would like to keep. My brother, S.F.W., tried to sway me with Sam!s importance at detering teams from driving the lane last night during one of our discussions but H.Catchings was a great shot blocker but he wouldn!t be a starting center on a championship team either. What besides shotblocking does Sam do better than Jason right now, a young player just getting his feet wet in the league.

Posted 01:00 PM, 05/03/2008

The Greek

Guys any plan that involves Thad coming off the bench next season is flawed. How can we sit this dude? He had the highest FG% for any teenager since Moses. Iggy has talent, but Thad has more value based on his ridiculous upside. We need a SG, we need a big man. Resigning Iggy doesn't help us in either category.

Posted 01:00 PM, 05/03/2008

The Greek

Guys any plan that involves Thad coming off the bench next season is flawed. How can we sit this dude? He had the highest FG% for any teenager since Moses. Iggy has talent, but Thad has more value based on his ridiculous upside. We need a SG, we need a big man. Resigning Iggy doesn't help us in either category.

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