Where are the AVI numbers?
There's still no word on what the city's new property-tax system will mean for different areas of the city.
Where are the AVI numbers?
Councilman Brian J. O'Neill talks with Councilwoman Cindy Bass before the opening of the Council session, the first of 2013. (MICHAEL BRYANT / Staff Photographer)
A week ago, City Finance Director Rob Dubow said that the administration had all but completed its citywide review of properties for the Actual Value Initiative and that district Council members would receive neighborhood breakdowns of those numbers by the end of January.
Well, it's Feb. 1, and there's still no word on what the city's new property-tax system will mean for different areas of the city.
"It's frustrating. We were told we were going to have this in September, then we were told that that wasn't going to happen until Christmas, and now it's a month after that," Councilman Brian O'Neill said on Thursday. "We're just left to sit and wonder like everyone else."
So what's taking so long?
On Monday, Mayor Nutter said he's already seen a "very preliminary update, kind of a top-level overview." While he couldn't remember specific neighborhoods that would be affected more or less than others, he did say he doesn't think there's going to be much reason for concern.
"I don't necessarilly know that there are any big surprises and in some instances a bunch of folks are going to be actually pleasently surprised," he said. "I would characterize what I've seen as nowhere near as bad as folks may have been anticipating."
Dubow said the city will start mailing the new assessments to residents starting Feb. 15. It's unclear whether Council members will receive data on their districts ahead of time, as the administration had previously promised.
The Mayor's Office did not immediately return a request for comment Friday.
Comments (26)
The 1st thing we have to do is look at the AVI assignments for the "elite" folks in Philadelphia. You know, the Mayor,Council,the dozens of managing directors, McDaniel,Dubow and a host of other drones and patronage leeches who populate "Nutter's Kingdom". Make sure that they are stuck with the same rates they'll impose on homeowners. Nutter says folks will be "pleasantly surprised", eh? More lies and distortions. How he doesn't bust out laughing at the public when he babbles on like this shows how callously he views the citizens of the City. You notice that the SDP/SRC and the Mayor are making no effort to pursue the $500 million is property tax arrears...Nutter will simply take the new, bigger surplus and give it to the schools to flush down the toilet. Worse, yet, we're getting ready to give him millions more to divert to his private "Hires" (like McDaniel) and the other Executive Order 6 figure drones he's piled on to the payroll. Betcha they don't live in the City...— oblekr- I'm so happy I don't live in Philly...that city is a mess— Doho2008
There should be a moratorium on AVI unless and until Butkovitz collects at least half of the $500 Million owed to Our Faire Countrie Towne by slumlords, and deadbeats. The other half should have liens on them already and the City salvages what it can when the owner dies. That requires an HONEST sheriff which has proven difficult for thirty years now. Butkovitz criticizes Nutter and AVI but he has not done his job either.— The Monk- Bottom line: AVI will end up increasing the rate to about 1.25 which is 25% above the national average. It will end up costing me personally about $950 per year, and will drive down the value of my home by about $20,000 as it drives UP the sunk cost per year to buy my home. Thank you Michael Nutter! May I have another...So far, under Nutter, my house has already fallen in value by $20,000 so this just accelerates that erosion just as I near retirement. Meanwhile, Comcast, Liberty Place, and over 55 communities are getting tax abated - paying NOTHING! And AVI fixes this how???— The Monk
- The correct rate of tax is zero. There is nothing the city provides that an entrepreneur can't provide better.— hodg99
- First off, I am all for AVI. Just by looking at the assessed values on the OPA website makes me sick. It is the fair thing to do, but this Administration is screwing it up just like everything else that came across their office.
You have to believe that the new AVI assessments are not being released to City Council because they are still tweaking properties. City Council will get them when all homeowners receive their new values. Don't be surprised that you can not reach your Council representative in the days following the mailing of the AVI.
Did the City assessors consider the current market in which home sales are still down while foreclosures are still happening? Also, how in the high heavens can AVI be revenue neutral? I find that comment insulting my intelligence. You are basically telling the citizens that all the properties, I do not know the exact number, will cancel each other out? HAHAHA. Only a little under three years left with this numb-nut and tghe end of his political career.— unclecokes - I've complained for the last couple of years that Dubow, Nutter and his cast of buffoons keep thinking and saying home prices in Philadelphia have gone up since 2004. Hello stupid?? It's the opposite of the Case-Shiller index for the 30 or so major metro areas showing prices still down from the infamous bubble burst. So? How do we get accurate figures if the assessors--did anyopne ever see one?--were so diligently calculating our home values. What can they base it on? We're barely nudging the postive side of pre bubbleprices (and I think that's BS too). You've called it the way I've seen it too--along with many other folks. They are lying, pure and simple. — oblekr
- Exactly right that AVI cannot be revenue neutral. Hell, they've spent millions already implementing it with a fleet of desk jockeys at who knows what cost, or for how long. My guess, forever as the real estate valuation department becomes yet another patronage agency. — The Monk
- cry you low information philly voters.serves you right— seanmike
- No AVI, but to be fair, you should only be allowed to sell your property at what it was currently valued at. No, you don't want it that way though?— Capsulef
- You got it. Every dollar they steal in additional taxes goes towards Arlene ackermann's million dollar buyout
— hannibal barca - Fair? paying the burden for thousands of tax abated condos and houses and thousands of delinquents ?
We are all going to get screwed.
Like someone saying " This wont hurt a bit"
Where is the vaseline at?— Steelmanpa - What's up with no more news on Blondel Reynolds Brown? Can we get an update?— roguefiftyone
- I'm sure the numbers will be fair. Many have been under valued for years. Time to pay up and keep the city alive!!— Ben Fan
- Umm while that may be true, don't penalize the people that actually pay taxes, how about going after the slum lords who haven't paid property taxes in 5 years — Doho2008
- Umm while that may be true, don't penalize the people that actually pay taxes, how about going after the slum lords who haven't paid property taxes in 5 years — Doho2008
- WWW.RECALLBLONDELLREYNOLDSBROWN.org— SPENDSPEND
- Do not show the AVI property values to city council, NO NO NO NO. They will selectively change numbers for their friends, relatives, and campaign contributors. Do not let city council mess with the AVI, or anything for that matter. They are a bunch of crooks.— misterpond
- This is what happens when you people keep voting Democrat. They have no fear of losing power in this city, so they'll do what they want to. As usual, the people who actually pay taxes will get shafted.— NoRoger_NoRerun_NoRent
- Well, I trust the AVI value will be very close to true market value of our homes. Then we just need to have a fair rate to be applied. I do not think city council should be allowed to approve any other exceptions, like $10,000 exclusion is you make less than $xyz, or $10,000 if your parent is on city council, or $10,000 exclusion if you are a left handed golfer. No, we should all pay the same rate agains the fair market value. No other exemptions or exceptions. No phasing in. The city must be FAIR, finally, to all of us, whether we pay more or less.— misterpond
- You can bet the business world will get hit the highest, keep taxing business in all the areas possible( u and o, biz priv. tax, stormwater, sales, etc) and watch our current and future business dry up, jobs etc. bottom line is those businesses left will always pass it on to all of us.— greek
- Nutter's tax assessment crew has no idea what it's doing. The guy who runs it lost millions for the city of Hampton, Virginia. His home is still in Richmond, Virginia.— anti-tax
- "On Monday, Mayor Nutter said he's already seen a "very preliminary update, kind of a top-level overview." While he couldn't remember specific neighborhoods that would be affected more or less than others, he did say he doesn't think there's going to be much reason for concern."
I got news for the Mayor, and City Council, any increase in property taxes (after four years of temporary increase) will be a burden. Especially for the tax-paying residents, who haven't seen any sufficent increases in our wages in nearly four years.— Dadair1 - so will numb nut be tripling, or only doubling, our property taxes?— hannibal barca
- Perhaps Mayor Urkel is granting some last minute 'consideration' to selected Democrat party insiders before the numbers go public.— b,ill at,kins
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