Gov ripped for civil-rights remarks
As we reported, Christie said: "The fact of the matter is, I think people would have been happy to have a referendum on civil rights rather than fighting and dying in the streets in the South."
Gov ripped for civil-rights remarks
Matt Katz, Inquirer Staff Writer
In the wake of the gov's announcement that he plans to veto any gay marriage legislation and instead seeks to put the question to the voters as a ballot referendum, Democrats are in an uproar.
Yes, they hate the proposal. But they're really angry over the words he used to sell it. (This is often the dynamic with this governor, see here and here.)
Dems are against the referendum concept because they say civil rights matters cannot be left to the masses -- only legislators should right societal wrongs and enact marriage equality. Yet what has them furious -- or "apoplectic," as PolitickerNJ called it, and "stunned," as the Star-Ledger said -- are the words Christie used Tuesday in the news conference when he made his announcement.
As we reported, Christie said: "The fact of the matter is, I think people would have been happy to have a referendum on civil rights rather than fighting and dying in the streets in the South."
This is the rest of the quote: "It was our political institutions that were holding things back. I don't think there's anything necessarily so special about this particular issue that it must be handled by a Legislature. Why would that be?...I dont understand how anybody could argue with letting the people decide this issue."
Democrats, particularly Assembly Speaker Sheila Oliver (D., Essex), who is African American, have repeatedly called gay marriage a civil rights issue. That's why they made it their top legislative priority this year. And that was the context in which Christie made his remarks.
Oliver responded yesterday to Christie's comments saying that he "better sit down with some of New Jersey’s great teachers for a history lesson, because his puzzling comment shows a complete misunderstanding about the civil rights movement."
“It’s impossible to ever conceive that a referendum on civil rights in the South would have been successful and brought justice to minorities...They were fighting and dying in the streets of the South because the majority refused to grant minorities equal rights by any method. It look legislative action to bring justice to all Americans, just as legislative action is the right way to bring marriage equality to all New Jerseyans."
Newark Mayor Cory Booker, also African American and a Democrat who rarely speaks out against the governor, said: "I shudder to think what would have happened if the civil rights gains, heroically established by courageous lawmakers in the 1960s, were instead conveniently left up to a popular votes in our 50 states."
Added Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson Coleman: "His words defy history and were extremely insensitive to the struggle for equality of African-Americans and other minorities in this country. Fighting and dying in the streets of the South was not a choice, Governor, it was the only way."
Even Senate President Stephen Sweeney, who originally had far softer words for the governor's position, claimed that the governor's call for a constitutional amendment to be voted on by the electorate was nothing more than "the official opening of his campaign for vice-president."
In response to a question yesterday to clarify his remarks, Christie said his point was that the Democrats are wrong if they say the only way to deal with a civil rights issue is through legislation. Civil rights activists could have always appealed to the courts to seek change - and therefore, passing new laws is not the only way.
"They’re trying to say the only way to deal with a civil rights issue is through legislation, and my point is that in a state like this, the fact of the matter is their own polling belies that position," Christie said.
According to a Quinnipiac University poll, 52 percent of New Jersey voters support same-sex marriage. That's why same-sex marriage advocates shouldn't be "afraid" to put the matter on the November ballot, Christie said.
"Let's stop hiding behind this 'we don't put civil rights on the ballot' thing. Ya know, please. These folks would put anything on the ballot if they thought they could win," he said.
Simple Fact, by not making it a legislative decree and using the Cop-Out that the voters should decide, Christie can take credit if it passes for "bowing to the will of the voters" when asked if he supports "Gay Marriage" and therefore not be held to blame by the hard core Republican Right and, on the flip side, have the unregulated ad department allow him to take credit for NJ passing "Gay Marriage Legislature" so he can try to sway the 20% that he has a more liberal bent. We all know from his actions that this is far from true but he is very politically savy.— simplefacts
Comment removed.- How about some questions for you... First off... Propagate? What are we plants? Who talks like that? More importantly, what does procreating have anything to do with two people loving each other? Where does it state that two people who get married have to procreate in the first place? And I don't know if your aware of this.... But humans don't need a piece of paper, issued by the state, to "propagate." — Aquanerd09
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- I'm anti gay marrage.....it isn't marrage, pure & simple. What they do is there business and as long as it doesn't have a negative affect on the lives of normal people, knock yourself out. Apparently Christie feels the same way, but, being the leader of the state, he is bowing to the will of the populace. He was bound to catch flack either way, but, he is letting the voting public determine the issue.— Bigbirch
- It's a total copout because he doesn't want to be devoured by the rabid reactionary insane right when he signs a gay marriage bill into law. This is a representative democracy. There's nothing about this potential law that requires a referendum. Just do your job, let legislation get passed and then be a man and either side with history and the people and sign it or veto it. What a coward...— philliesphan79
- why not a referendrum on fat people running for office. They set a visual bad example for others. If it passes, he resigns or goes on a diet.— phillytransplant
- @ lowell: I don't understand what story you are blogging about in Reading (Pa). Did I miss something?— phillytransplant
- If civil rights were left to the masses through referendum.. women and minorities would never had the right to vote own property or have jobs...there would still be slavery....— genius1977
- I think our Governor needs to take some US history and civics classes. It's disgusting that a sitting governor doesn't know about the concept of the tyranny of the majority. Maybe he should read some Thomas Jefferson. Our government was created to protect the rights of the minority from the will of the majority. If Christie doesn't understand this basic fact, he sure shouldn't be in public office.
Bigbirch-If you're so in favor of protecting traditional marriage, perhaps you should learn how to spell the term first.— psacks - Comment removed.
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- So this is the governor who just appointed a gay and a native Korean to the Supreme Court. Shows that these appointments were all for show. He has no clue.— lgroniko
- "Dems are against the referendum concept because they say civil rights matters cannot be left to the masses -- only legislators should right societal wrongs". Yes, God forbid We The People should have any say in anything. What a load of BS!— SmercIsAConman
- Obama doesn't support gay marriage either.— palmyra21
- If you put a civil rights referendum on a ballot today in the south, there are many states that still would not pass it. Putting everything to a vote is not the best path all of the time. I can see this referendum not passing when the right wing "non-profits" will start to scare all of the blue hairs at the shore.— flavious27
- flavious27: Pa. might not pass it either.— Ogey Oglethorpe
- flavious27: Pa. might not pass it either.— Ogey Oglethorpe
- to be a conservative today is to ignore history. plain and simple.— slanted and enchanted
- After all, the Presidency was put a vote in 2000 yet the Supreme Court decided that many of the peoples' voices would not be heard.— dontlikeneocons
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- Bigbirch said, "I'm anti gay marrage.....it isn't marrage, pure & simple. What they do is there business and as long as it doesn't have a negative affect on the lives of normal people, knock yourself out."
Yeah? So two virtual stranger that get married will have a negative affect on your life? Really? How exactly does that happen? How about same-sex couples that are married in New York? Have they destroyed your life too? I sincerely doubt it. As for the lives of "normal people"... I'd hardly call Newt Gingrich normal. Unless you think being a two-time adulterer is normal, and cheating on your wife for 6 years is normal. Just because you happen to be straight, hardly makes you normal by any means.— David in Houston - Comment removed.
- The current rabble comprising the GOP today would bring back slavery if they could. Don't leave it to the scum of the earth to fight for fairness.— enabler1
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- @laphroaig - As you should have learned from the civil rights movement of the 60's, "separate but equal" is never equal. While a civil union attempts to to provide an equivalency to marriage, it is not marriage, and is therefore an injustice to all of humanity. Imagine: gays are people too...
Marriage as an institution has a 50% success rate. If it were and airline and you knew you had a 50/50 shot at landing safely, gay or straight you wouldn't get on the plane. It's not that I don't get same-sex marriage - I don't get marriage or all the fanfare over who gets to do it and who doesn't.— Jim7429- The Democrats have a write to chastise Christie's foolish comments about leaving civil rights issues to referendum. The tyranny of the majority will almost always rule in a democracy. Founding Fathers were terrified of this & it is the reason why they made only the House of Rep directly electable. There were a number of southern states that didn't repeal state statutes with anti-miscegenation laws (race-based legal restrictions on marriage) years after Loving v. Virginia overturned them. Alabama didn't do it until 2000. South Carolina until 1998. Lots of people would have waiting a long time and been deprived their civil liberties in the process. Guess Christie is fine with that possibility. Luckily, there are those in the GOP party willing to speak out against such nonsense.— MG77
- Prejudice is a basic tenet of the republic party, and the cretins who hold office as rethugs.
This ploy of "taking it to the people" is just that - a cynical, hypocritical scam to dodge the accurate label of bigot. Ever since Nixon's southern strategy took advantage of the advances made by the civil rights movement to enlist unrepentant slave state knuckle-draggers into the previously-hated GOP ranks (they HAD been the party of ending slavery but abandoned that principled stand for electoral reasons), republic pols could reliably count on the the votes of the bigoted as long as they threw them a rhetorical bone or two.
Christie is doing nothing less with his dishonest statements and hypocritical appointments to the NJSC. Just showing his "robes" to the faithful.
— JeffJenk - To anyone who says what are Dems afraid of, the answer is simple, in state and local elections ballot questions have a very strong pull and will motivate people to vote who would normally be apathetic. This is a ploy to get people in voting booths. And what better way to make sure you base is motivated then to put a referendum on the ballot that speaks to their prejudice. Many of the righties that post here probably only vote periodically but I guarantee you they'd be there bright and early to block this referendum. Christie knows this and is trying to leverage the election with the oldest of election tricks, a wedge issue that will drive voters to the polls.— amg
- Christie wants to leave it to the vote of the people because he knows the majority of voters who actually shows up at the polls are the elderly. The elderly will most certainly not vote for gay marriage. He's hedging his bet. God forbid the guy takes responsibility for anything except an unclaimed box of doughnuts.— beegal99
- God forbid the youth and those who want gay marriage legal take responsibility and vote.
Great two year old donut joke though.— FatOwlbert - so democrats are against democracy? let me guess, you would also prefer not to vote on Obama's indefinite detention of Americans either. that worked out great for us.— bdp101
- In a word yes. One person on Chris Matthews Facebook page (a Dem no doubt about it) was openly advocating yesterday that the upcoming Presidential election be canceled! — SmercIsAConman
- Christe called the trap that the dems set for him. They are just mad that he got out of it.— CD75
- This is hillarious... people are upset that society gets to decide society's laws, and would rather a few legislators do it for them?? How can the left be so against democracy? It boggles my mind.— FatOwlbert
- Christie's comments were hardly insensitive. The man speaks his mind, and thank God we have someone who handles issues responsibly. The only insensitivity here is the people attacking this fantastic governor.— superbig
- I must be practicing "insensitivity," but I don't think this sorry excuse for a Governor is worth any praise. He is a bully with no social conscience. When you have no conscience you don't care how your actions may hurt or violate others civil and moral rights. He is interested in himself, and everyone else be damned.— richw38
- Democracy is a government for the people by the people. So put it on the ballot, and yes what are the democrats worried about? And why you are at it place any tax increase proposals on the ballot also.— Borkey
- @borkey...why stop here for putting things to a vote? Let's also vote on invalidating marriages in which the woman was not a virgin before the ceremony. I mean, it's in the Bible and all, so let's vote on that. Sound good? Idiot.— iladelph
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