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Video: The next step for the Sixers

Doug Collins turned the Sixers around last season, but where do they go from here? Bob Ford of the Inquirer and Marcus Hayes of the Daily News discuss.

# Video: The next step for the Sixers

POSTED: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 11:26 AM

Video: Doug Collins turned the Sixers around last season, but where do they go from here? Bob Ford of the Inquirer and Marcus Hayes of the Daily News discuss.

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• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:33 PM, 05/19/2011
I posted this on the other page. I just want to see what people are thinking

I understand you concern but you realize no one will ever be completely satisfied... Here is the question.

Would you rather have a PG that gives you 20 and 7 or a PG that gives you 13 and 10

Lets see how many people are paying attention this after noon.

• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:23 PM, 05/19/2011
If you count an assist as creating at least two points then:

10 assists = 20 points...13+20= 33
7 assists = 14 points...20+14=34

However, I'm going to side with taking the 13 and 10 guy, if his role and skill set fill the roster better. For example, some guys in the league score their 20 points by taking close to 20 shots. That's not efficient. If the PG scores efficiently and creates offense for the players around him, typically your team will be better.
laidintheshade
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:59 PM, 05/19/2011
It was a comparison of Rose vs Kidd's career numbers. I think Jrue will be more like Rose in that he will look for his shot more than setting up his teammates. But the example you provided show that on paper the production is very close. I think Jrue can average about 19 per game with about 8 assist. That's good numbers for a PG. His TOs aren't extremely high. I think it's more of the timing of the TOs
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:12 PM, 05/20/2011
V I'll take Yao. IF! the price is right!
combocancer1975
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:39 PM, 05/19/2011
Yao??? was he serious???
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:07 AM, 05/20/2011
Yes! Well we need a "ponderous" big man! That was hilarious I had to watch it twice just to see if they see if they were really serious about some of their comments. When they have their 'ponderous' big man then all they need to do is their 'due diligence' and teach Evan Turner the set shot and they have a chance to get past the only team that can beat their uniqueness or 'what they do' in the Miami Heat :-) I was rolling on the floor laughing the second time I watched it.
allrightknight
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:15 PM, 05/19/2011
Sixers definitely need a Big, I would love for them be as creative as possible to make a push for Dwight Howard. Turner definitely needed more minutes last year. This is a very young team outside of Brand, I think that along with Collins should be able to attract a top flight free agent. We'll see...
Philly Dom
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:19 PM, 05/19/2011
to bigvil from west phil....assuming the second number is assist then my answer to you would be 13 and 10...philly should know by now you can't win with one big scorer. the pg must get the other players involved to be sucessfully...the allan iverson yrs should prove that
miketrip
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:36 PM, 05/19/2011
@BigVil: Yao's a great defender (individual and team), and can be a pick and pop option out to 17-18 ft, aside from his plethora of post moves.
BlackFeet01
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:35 PM, 05/19/2011
LOL man I just don't know about that. I'd rather have Kaman.... And I don't want Kaman. I'd rather have my mother-in-law out there and I can't stand that harpy. (LOL just imagined her taking a charge) Can we go with a young less injury prone guy please. These injured big men scare me. I know I talked up Oden but only because he is young. I just can't see that happening. I don't want to see that happen.

JEFF RULAND!!!!!! Don't spit in the face of history
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:36 PM, 05/19/2011
The allen iverson years were the last time this team was relevant. Hes already giving you 7 assists. Note the teams left, and their point guards. They are scorers. Rose, westbrook are just straight scorers who can win you games. If thats what jrue holliday is, then lets go! Give me the 20 and 7, and Ill put some bigs who can pass around him.
woliii
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:42 PM, 05/19/2011
Watching Dirk and Chandler from the Mavs only proves that you need a really great front line to win in the playoffs. Dr J never would have gotten his ring if Moses did not show up. Get the big pieces in our lineup and then add the Lous,Jrues,Meeks,Iggys and thad and then you can talk about high seeds and championship runs
lewisbratspis
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:50 PM, 05/19/2011
Yao...?? He's unrestricted.. We would not lose anything. Sounds good to me. I would shut him down until the all star break though. Stay at 16 and draft the kid or biyombo to back Yao up. 8 mil should bring Yao in. Hawes cap is half of that. A turner/Lou and nocioni for j.r. Smith deal brings it home. What about 9 for j.r. Smith and mozgov? With 9 we hold the cards in the deal. By smith being unrestricted Denver has no leverage. But mijri's not dumb. HE ROBBED N.Y. He didn't give melo away. I think he won the trade. Jrue Meeks Thad brand Yao. Lou turner smith sp8ts the pick. Brackins with one spot available. I don't see interior shot blocking hopefully bismack falls or we grab mozgov in the trade. Yao and mozgov. ILL TAKE IT!
combocancer1975
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:26 PM, 05/19/2011
Biyombo Biyombo Bismack Biyombo! http://www.nbadraft.net/players/bismack-biyombo --watch the youtube video of him at the nike hoop summit. Crazy raw....almost comically raw....but just as crazy (almost comically) dominant. I've never seen a big that fast that still had as much interior presence as he had. And as raw as he is he still appears to have more court awareness than Dalembert or Speights. Dudue looks like eventually he'll get it. Videos can be decieving....but i'm predicting right now...this kid will be a star...and he is exactly the kind of player we need. Sixers do anything it takes to get this guy!
murdock101
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:26 PM, 05/19/2011
I want no parts of Yao.... I repeat..... no parts. No questions is to see if people would rather have a Jason Kidd type of PG or a Derrick Rose type of PG. Either on be would great to have but someone would have issue with both. Either Kidd doesn't score enough or Rose doesn't set up his teammate enough. Relating it to Jrue Holiday his game is still developing but I think he will be right down the middle. No matter what he does someone will always have an issue with his game. right now the issue is he doesn't look to set up his teammates enough. A valid point but I think as they gel he will develop an understanding of what's need and when. It's all about patience.
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:02 PM, 05/19/2011
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Delaware Mike
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:41 PM, 05/19/2011
I can't thnk of anyone other than Allen that is that type of shooter.
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:47 PM, 05/19/2011
It took nearly an hour for my comment to show up. really though
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:53 PM, 05/19/2011
Does anyone see Tyrus Thomas in Bismack Biyombo? Raw, athletic, long, ups...pretty average NBA player.
tripleplay83
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:05 PM, 05/19/2011
i still believe there is hope for Tyrus. He just needs to find his niche. I would take him here. He would have a very defined role. Defend and rebound.... He is one of those base year compensation guys. I would like him on this team but they are hard to trade for.
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:05 PM, 05/19/2011
I think Turner is more suited to the PG or Point Forward position. Turner looks to pass when he has the ball, looking for cuts, seeing the play evolve, more so than Holiday. Maybe the answer is right in front of you. Do what UCLA did and move Holiday to a 2G and let Turner hold the ball, but you still need the big man patrolling the paint, or it doesn't even matter. Who knows what Sammie could have done with Collins this year, but no one fears going into our lane. Aside from figuring out how to score, you need to stop the other team from scoring in order to our system to work and to win more games.
Fo Fo Fo
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:50 PM, 05/19/2011
Small forward work out at the combine. Basic shell drill. No defenders.. A Morris twin and Jordan Hamilton are back to back. Morris drives passes to the top IMMEDIATELY went to the glass to rebound the miss and the guy who shot it did miss Morris caught it off of the rim and dunked it. Jordan Hamilton. Same exact drill. Passed to the shooter and walked out of bounds.. Oh yeah the shooter missed the shot. Scratch Hamilton. Hawes had an opportunity to post a 20 and 10. AT LEAST A 10 and 10. How many did we get!?? Give sp8ts the same minutes and touches. 4 mil for hawes?? Please. Tyrus Thomas sounds good to me. Kenyon Martin type. 3 4 and 5 defender rebounder dunker. For Noc? Hmmm. If the league has gotten younger and more athletic where does hawes come in to play.? Hawes does not posses the skill for someone his ht and mobility. I'll pass.
combocancer1975
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:34 PM, 05/19/2011
He has one of those funny contracts. We can't trade Noc because his contract is too high and we can't send someone close to his number because we are over the cap and the money we take back is too much. Maybe a third team has to get involved.
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:24 PM, 05/19/2011
No Yao, No Oden - no money tied up in guys who will never play. Where we are picking there are a host of power forwards (no centers). That's a good place to start.
7mel11
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:46 PM, 05/19/2011
Ho-Hum. This is getting tedious like NFL pre-draft.

I think the high prospects get more ink/air-time in college football vs. hoops. Seem to recognize fewer celebrated names in hoops pre-draft.

Power forward would be nice, but still need upgrade at 2 and 5 to advance in '12.
wordsword
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:17 PM, 05/19/2011
@ComboCancer: you have some funny idears sometimes (putting Kapono @ the 5, LOL!) but I'm glad we agree about Ming. "I like this guy, speaking a lot of sense, know what I mean!?"- Republican Space Rangers
BlackFeet01
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:51 AM, 05/20/2011
Nice conversation, no real earth shattering points other than the Yao mention. I would love to have Yao from 5 years ago. I would hate to use up valuable cap money on a guy who can't play (see Shaq & the Celtics). It's time for Thorn and Stefamski to earn their money. Do your due diligence!
mtairy1
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:29 PM, 05/20/2011
I like Lou Will, but I think the Sixers should trade him. Evan will play the two next season and Meeks will come off the bench. He adequately replaces Lou as instant offense off the bench (in fact he's a better defender). Plus, Lou is a good player with a reasonable contract, so he will be in demand. Lou and the #16 could land us in the top 10 for a good PF (Bismack, Kanter, Motiejunas). Then we need a back up PG and they are a dime a dozen (third string PG actually, since Evan will play point a few minutes per game). Evan at the three is a bad idea- Andre and Thad have that covered. If they trade Andre, I'll re-evaluate, but Turner has a size advantage at guard and he has the defensive ability to play it, so take advantage of that. Playing him at the three is a waste. I'd hate to see Lou go, but his 40% FG's and small stature make him replaceable in the Sixers perimeter log jam.
incog69
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:19 AM, 05/21/2011
Next seasons lineup: Jrue (36 mpg), Evan (36 mpg), Andre (36 mpg), Elton (30 mpg), Spence (24 mpg). The only major change from last season is with Evan getting an incresase of 13 mpg. Off the bench: Jodie (24 mpg), Thad (30 mpg), top 10 pick (24 mpg). This team is better than last season for several reasons. The young guys will be better. The team will carry over from the end of last season when they were much better than at the beginning. They will be bigger thanks to the draftee. I think 50 wins is possible with this group, but the East will be hard to call next season with the Knicks and Nets having full seasons with their elite players. The Sixers will win with depth, athleticism, team play, team chemistry and good coaching.
incog69
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:25 AM, 05/21/2011
One specific area of improvement that the Sixers will need to become a 50 win team is FT shooting. Andre had a terrible year at the line. He needs to get back to 75%. He gets to the line a lot and I for me, his low FT percentage is the most frustrating aspect of his game. Spencer was dreadful at the line last year and for a center who has the green light to shoot 17 footers in the flow of the offense, he nees to be at 70% from the line. Then, Thad needs to get into the upper 70%'s- he also has the green light to stroke the J, and he's working on the corner '3', so let's not forget about the Ft's while we're at it. It's simple, it's boring, but it's freakin' important. If we want to win, we need to get better FT production from those three guys.
incog69
• 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:27 AM, 05/21/2011
Here are reasonable team stat expectations (league rank in parentheses) for next season and how they compare with this past season: PPG 102 (9), last year 99 (18) (no explanation here- I'd be happy to give the 3 points back); RPG 43 (7), last year 41.8 (13) (the increase is due to an increase in overall team size, thanks to the draft choice and more time for Turner); APG 24 (1), last year 22.7 (6) (more minutes for Turner will mean more assists for the team- he's an excellent passer. This is the teams strength, thanks to Iguodala); SPG 8 (6), last year 7.6 (10) (no good reason, but no big difference); BPG 5 (12), last year 4.3 (23) (increase is mainly due to draft choice- this reamins the Sixers biggest weakness).
incog69

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