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Thursday, May 1, 2008
Fumo and the minister -- who's really offensive here?

 

Everybody's up in arms over the thing that outgoing and fit-to-be-tried state Sen. Vince Fumo said at a hearing in Harrisburg the other day. His remarks are kind of hard to characterize -- it's easier to start by just printing them verbatim:

"What you are advocating here is that we take away the rights of a minority. And I don't think that's right," Fumo told Gilbert Coleman, Jr., senior pastor of Freedom Christian Bible Fellowship in Philadelphia, during the hearing. ". . . If we introduced a bill on slavery, it might pass. That doesn't make it right."

"I doubt that sir," responded Coleman, who testified in support of the measure.

"Oh, don't bet on it in this General Assembly," the Philadelphia Democrat shot back. "I know some people up here, especially on a secret ballot, it would be almost unanimous."

Well, basically the world went crazy because a) a public figure said something outrageous and somehow mentioned the word "slavery" and b) it seemed to have something to do with either race, or homosexuality -- the two raw subjects it actually skirted around.

Yet there's really a lot less here than meets the eye here, isn't there, because:

1) The comment really tells us nothing about the human condition, except the sad condition of one particular human, Vince Fumo -- a man who's losing his job and the life he's known, and may very well lose his freedom as well. And so on the way out the door he utters something that's bats--- crazy. You can't even ask the guy to resign, because he's already done that. So in that context, this is important because...why is it important, again?

We get outraged over horrible statements from public figures when they seem to reflect what they truly believe, whether it's Jeremiah Wright saying "God damn America" and blaming it for AIDS or when a U.S. congressman calls Barack Obama "boy" in public. To have the same level of outrage here, you'd have to think that Vince Fumo believes in his heart that Pa, lawmakers support slavery. I don't.

2) To follow on the same theme, it's lower than low when a public official says something that's racist or homophobic (and Fumo, of all people, has done that, and it was deplorable when it happened) -- but in this case wasn't the exaxt opposite thing happening? Clearly, Fumo was not endorsing slavery and as for gays, he was apparently set off by what he perceived as discrimination against them.

So if Fumo was't insulting blacks and he wasn't insulting gays, who was he insulting here? That notoriously oppressed class: Pennsylvania state legislators. OK, I'm being a little sarcastic -- stepping out of my usual Howard Beale mode, of course legislators are humans too and don't deserve to be slandered in public, which is why Fumo apologized. But by the same token, an off-the-way and generalized slam on other politicians just doesn't raise my outrage meter that high. Sorry.

Meanwhile, there's been virtually no attention paid to other side of the coin here. In fact, very few people have focused on the remarks that set Fumo off in the first place, the words uttered by a Philadelphia minister named Gilbert Coleman from the Freedom Christian Bible Fellowship.

I realize the gay marriage is a complicated issue (personally, I want to see government get out of the marriage business altogether, for straights and gays, and just recognize civil unions) but frankly I get really irked by these ministers who leave their neighborhoods so wracked by poverty and crime and in need of spiritual uplift for their crusade to make "the gay" into Public Enemy No. 1.

Here's Coleman's remarks, which blatantly disrespect one of America's greatest traditions, the separation of church and state:

Coleman said America has lost its moral compass since the church was taken out of government and schools, and he went on to say legalizing marriages other than heterosexual unions would erode a "foundational pillar" of this country.

"This nation finds no problem in abandoning its beliefs and morals to conform to the wants and desires of a few people that believe we should throw away the foundation and opt for a new one," Coleman said. "America was established on biblical principles that anchored and governed this nation until government decided that the Bible and its teachings are unconstitutional; thus we began a downward spiral. …

This news coverage out of Lancaster paints an entirely different picture of the hearing than what we've read so far in Philly. Here's another response from Fumo that not only isn't wacky but actually, in my opinion, heroic:

As Coleman departed, he said in a barely audible voice to Fumo, "Go read your Bible," which prompted the Democrat to say, "I'll go read the Constitution."

Regular readers know that I'd hardly a big fan of the politically corrupt Fumo. But on this one....am I crazy here, or is Gilbert Coleman's call for an American theocracy that discriminates against homosexuals much, much more offensive than Fumo's ill-conceived retort?

Sadly, we now live in society that's become more worried about stray words that sound like they might somehow be offensive than about deeply held ideas that are truly worthy of condemnation.

Posted by Will Bunch @ 9:11 AM  Permalink | 38 comments
Comments
09:34 AM, 05/01/2008
Who do you think has the lower IQ- Rev "America created Aids to kill blacks" Wright or------------------------Vince "Slavery" Fumo?----------------Can Liberals and democrats pick anyone more dense?----------------- Obama must be a real genius too- to sit in a church for 20 years with a ranting and raving whack job preaching every sunday.-------------------Then there is Will "I will never face the facts Bunch"--who will defend Obama even though he is terribly wrong.---------------------------- Is the talking Point Slug- still proposing marriage to Bunchy?
Posted by The Genius
09:59 AM, 05/01/2008
Fumo is just the latest Democrat to say something really offensive and stupid. This is not exactly man-bites-dog stuff. Different day, same old left wing hate.
Posted by b.atkinson
10:01 AM, 05/01/2008
It's really only offensive if you are an easily offended, ultra PC sad sack. Otherwise, its just plain dumb. Same with Rev Wright. Since when did Idiot and b.atk become so sensitive?
Posted by RG
10:09 AM, 05/01/2008
What exactly is offensive here? It's a completely inane argument, but the only people who can be righteously offended are the legislators who Fumo said would vote for slavery. It seems like some people are trying to use a "Godwins law"-style argument.
Posted by Politburo
10:22 AM, 05/01/2008
"Coleman said America has lost its moral compass since the church was taken out of government and schools" - Yes, that "first amendment" thing has really been a bad step. The last 217 years have been a steady moral decline... "Different day, same old left wing hate." - right, atkins, defending the rights of minorities is "left-wing hate." I'm just curious, do you intentionally try to say dumb things or does it just come naturally?
Posted by E.Plebnista
10:43 AM, 05/01/2008
How can a black man say with a straight face that "America was established on biblical principles that anchored and governed this nation until government decided that the Bible and its teachings are unconstitutional"? ----- Nevermind that the government never decided that the Bible was unconstitutional.. a proper interpretation of the establishment clause only started in the last 50 years or so. This guy has no problems saying that America was "anchored and governed" by so-called biblical principles that were used to justify slavery and 3/5ths? ------ And now the Bible is being used to justify discrimination yet again. Some people just don't learn from history.
Posted by Politburo
10:43 AM, 05/01/2008
"Sadly, we now live in society that's become more worried about stray words that sound like they might somehow be offensive than about deeply held ideas that are truly worthy of condemnation." Hmmm. What particualr ideology might have got that ball rolling?
Posted by jmc
10:57 AM, 05/01/2008
And what particular ideology keeps it rolling?
Posted by SteveMG
11:14 AM, 05/01/2008
When legislatures are about to pass a bill discriminating against a minority, why is it wrong to suggest they'd also approve of other laws against minorities i.e. slavery? ESPECIALLY when the person calling for discrimination is himself a member of a minority with a history of being descriminated against! What a maroon, lol. Fumo's obvious hyperbole just served to rub that idiot's nose in his own c#*%. His corruption aside, Fumo got this one right.
Posted by Steve5877
11:16 AM, 05/01/2008
It's really conservatives who developed the concept into how it is understood today. Pretty standard GOP practice.. they took a few real situations and blew them up into something that was endemic, even though that was far from the reality. It turned out that many of the stories of PCism run amok were simply made up.
Posted by Politburo
11:40 AM, 05/01/2008
Considering the number of people in Pennsylvania who said they would not vote for Obama because of his race, Fumo's exaggeration may just have some credence. It is a sad day in this country if we still can't see past the color of a person's skin in deciding his worthiness to be president.
Posted by AHiredGun
11:50 AM, 05/01/2008
I'm not a big fan of Fumo. I totally get the analogy he's trying to make here. He's NOT saying that slavery is right. What's really offensive to me is the idea that someone wants to write discrimination into the constitution under the guise of morally guiding a population. When did hate ever become morally acceptable.
Posted by PotteryPete
12:02 PM, 05/01/2008
I'm offended more by Gilbert Coleman, Jr., senior pastor of Freedom Christian Bible Fellowship in Philadelphia, and the whole gay marriage tied to religious themes. If the church wants to lobby the government for their agendaand win, then they should start to pay taxes. Gay people pay taxes and we seem to have no representation in government, then gay people should not pay taxes..right? Isn't this what is really offensive? Lets start taxing organized religion as a balance for gay marriage....then see them change their tunes.
Posted by GraceBmine
12:09 PM, 05/01/2008
Well, well, the PC police are out in force once again. Attytood Republican sycophants....every day establishing new dimensions of hypocrisy.
Posted by Talking point sleuth
12:39 PM, 05/01/2008
And what particular ideology keeps it rolling? Posted by SteveMG If you have to ask that, you might be a liberal.
Posted by jmc
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