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Thursday, April 17, 2008

I'm not sure whether to bash New York Times columnist David Brooks here, or praise him for his honesty. But for better or worse, and I think you have to say "worse" here, this is how we're going to pick the next president:

We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall. Remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis. It’s legitimate to see how the candidates will respond to these sorts of symbolic issues.

Important to whom, David? To voters? Are you serious? Don't you talk to real voters in your cross-country cultural tours of Applebee's or wherever it is you claim to do your brilliant sociological work? Why don't you hang out at some gas stations instead of cheesy chain restaurants, and ask people who've just filled up their tank about "flag lapels," or see if the "Tuzla airport" even rings a bell with one person. I've even more baffled by the idea that Bush's tour of flag factories "exposed" Michael Dukakis. "Exposed" him as what? A Soviet double agent?

Basically an alarming new standard has been set in this election: The media is going to create a lot of inane, distracting issues in this campaign, and so here is the new test to become commander-in-chief in 2008: How well will you respond to the heat from our phony topics that we all agree will dominate our news coverage, whether anyone else really cares about them or not?

Just shoot me. Brooks awards an "A" to ABC's coverage, by the way.

Meanwhile, for some more inciteful reviews of the debate moderators, check out Tom Shales in the Washington Post, Slate's Walter Shapiro, Niall Stanage in the Guardian (the Brits think that we've completely lost it, as you might expect), and Josh Marshall over on Talking Points Memo.

And also not to be missed -- the Daily News' own John Baer, who's done award-winning work throughout the primary season, also watched the debate last night.

There followed a rehash of Obama's "bitter" words, of the Rev. Wright, of Bosnia and - proving there is no standard whatsoever when it comes to modern national political debate - a discussion of American flag lapel pins.

I don't know.

Somewhere in the back of my mind is this notion that voters, whose economy is crippled by a senseless, seemingly endless war, whose personal budgets are crushed by the price of gasoline and the cost of health care and, for many, college tuition, maybe, just maybe, aren't so interested in flag pins.

Also, 86 percent of Philly.com readers who've bothered to vote say that ABC was "terrible" or "disappointing" last night.

Posted by Will Bunch @ 10:24 AM  Permalink | 51 comments
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Posted by jeffreyg61 10:43 AM, 04/17/2008
What a great debate. The real reason dems are scared is because Obama got exposed and he can't articulate in a debate forum and Hillary is deeply flawed. Basically, they are going to have a hard time winning in Nov.
Posted by E.Plebnista 10:48 AM, 04/17/2008
Ah, yes, the marginalized minority surfaces to show that they really like the banal and stupid. Why are we not surprised?
Posted by jeffreyg61 10:54 AM, 04/17/2008
I like it's 'attack ABCNEWS.' No one is talking about the poor performance of Obama. Obama is the Jayson Blair of Presidential candidates.
Posted by ocjones 10:57 AM, 04/17/2008
Watching and listening to these Obama toadys aquirm because their lightweight candidate is being required to answer some tough questions is delightful fun. Obama is all confused. He doesn't understand whats going on. After all, he says, I'm a good politician and I can make a good speech. What the hell?
Posted by Talking point sleuth 11:02 AM, 04/17/2008
...Obama is all confused. ...

Perhaps so. Prior to running, he didn't realize just how many Republican sycophants would be out there pretending that flag pins are a significant issue. As if wearing a flag pin would change your mind about him.
Posted by E.Plebnista 11:04 AM, 04/17/2008
Ah, yes, four of five comments talking about what "No one is talking about." I can see that someone got their talking points. And then we have good ol' jonesy calling a bunch of meaningless drivel "tough questions." Yes, this is the level of "insight" from the marginalized minority - those were "tough questions" about lapel pins when our nation is involved in two wars, has a major credit crisis, gas prices are pushing $4, health care costs are increasing and "real wages" are - at best - stagnant. Yeah, "tough questions."
Posted by jimmymack 11:12 AM, 04/17/2008
John McCain won't be on the campaign trail today, he is still sore from doubling up laughing at last night's performance.
Posted by Talking point sleuth 11:17 AM, 04/17/2008
And do be careful, dear mr. ocjones; I wouldn't want you to stab yourself when you affix a flag pin to your lapel - as I'm sure you each and every day. Because, you know, anyone who doesn't wear a flag pin hates America, and clearly you're a true patriot. The fact that you don't consider soldiers dying in Iraq to be a more important issue than a candidates fashion sense notwithstanding.
Posted by Talking Point Slueth 11:24 AM, 04/17/2008
When only Bunch, Plebnista and the sleuth are defending you, you know you're in trouble. Note to Obama, stop believeing your followers and get to work if you want to represent all Americans, its not too late. Note to Plebnista and the sleuth, when the majority of reviewers say Obama did poorly, he did poorly, despite your protestations and childish attacks on his critics. Enjoy your candidates journey back to obscurity.
Posted by SteveMG 11:24 AM, 04/17/2008
Look where all the preoccupation with flag pins got this administration.
Posted by E.Plebnista 11:40 AM, 04/17/2008
Note to the "Slueth" - when 86% of the people think the debate sucked regardless of how "their" candidate did, that puts you squarely in the marginalized minority of people who think that coming up with slight variations on other poster's screen names is "clever" and not "childish." Frankly, I don't think either candidate did particularly well and I would agree with the Hillary supporter who, when asked "aren't these questions awful?" responded "Yeah, isn't she doing great?" This election isn't about who "won" the debate or got "roughed up" with "tough questions" about lapel pins - it's about the future of our great country. Perhaps you might focus on that a little instead of simply banging on your partisan talking point drum.
Posted by Talking point sleuth 11:41 AM, 04/17/2008
....when the majority of reviewers say Obama did poorly, he did poorly, I don't disagree with that. He did poorly. So what?

she/he answers inane questions, then maybe Obama isn't your man. As if you ever considered voting for him anyway.

If your rationale involves evaluating who might best deal with some of the problems facing the country, you might want to reconsider. As if you ever considered voting for him anyway. And accordingly, you might hope for more relevant questions to be asked during a debate.
Posted by ocjones 11:48 AM, 04/17/2008
Wow, I must confess that I didn't watch the "debate" last night, so you can imagine my surprise to learn from TPS and plebnista that the "debate" was all about flag pins. Small wonder so many people think that the debate sucked.
Posted by Talking point sleuth 11:49 AM, 04/17/2008
my comment got "mangled"

Let me try again:

....when the majority of reviewers say Obama did poorly, he did poorly,...

I don't disagree with that. He did poorly. So what?

If you evaluate presidential candidates on how well she/he answers inane questions, then maybe Obama isn't your man. As if you ever considered voting for him anyway.

If your rationale involves evaluating who might best deal with some of the problems facing the country, you might want to reconsider. (As if you ever considered voting for Obama anyway.)

And accordingly, you might hope for more relevant questions to be asked during a debate. But then again, if that were the case you wouldn't be a Republican sycophant, would you?
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