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Friday, April 3, 2009

Not that long ago, I wrote about the bond between the Daily News and its unique readership here in Philadelphia, which surveys have shown tend to be much more blue-collar and more African-American , among other things, than the typical American newspaper customer. The numbers and the anecdotal evidence from the streets of Philly also suggest that our readers are somewhat less likely to be the kind of person who toils in front of computer screen all day -- meaning that a rapid move away from the emphasis on the print edition would leave thousands of ink-only readers in the dust.

But the problem isn't completely unique to the City of Brotherly Love. Most major American cities have a "digital divide" -- a sizable gap between computer ownership and usage in working class and poorer urban neighborhoods and Internet activities out in the more affluent suburbs. But a problem -- like the digital divide -- also creates an opportunity. The arrival of much cheaper and more user friendly laptops called "netbooks" make it possible to kill two birds with one stone. A massive philanthropic efforts by large news organizations to bring these simpler computers into once-deprived households would create a bond of community between the media and its new, grateful online readers, and also make it easier for newsrooms to move more quickly away from the expensive print distribution model and into a bold new digital age.

The New York Times had a fascinating article this week about netbooks. It said, in part:

Personal computers — and the companies that make their crucial components — are about to go through their biggest upheaval since the rise of the laptop. By the end of the year, consumers are likely to see laptops the size of thin paperback books that can run all day on a single charge and are equipped with touch screens or slide-out keyboards.

The industry is buzzing this week about these devices at a telecommunications conference in Las Vegas, and consumers will see the first machines on shelves as early as June, probably from the netbook pioneers Acer and Asustek.

“The era of a perfect Internet computer for $99 is coming this year,” said Jen-Hsun Huang, the chief executive of Nvidia, a maker of PC graphics chips that is trying to adapt to the new technological order. “The primary computer that we know of today is the basic PC, and it’s dying to be reinvented.”

If America's battered newsrooms were smart, they would jump on this. I know what you're saying, and you're right: Newspaper companies have not been smart, not for a number of years. Even now we struggle to catch up -- a lot of newspapers are now ambitiously launching...blogs (or in newspaperspeak, "blogs, which is short for Web logs") even as many of 2004's hot bloggers now spend much of their day on Twitter. It's not completely too late, though, for some real outside-the-box thinking -- not now, when having nothing left to lose is another word for freedom.

Big-city newspapers should be giving away netbooks.

They should have teams of people walking up and down the rowhouse streets of a city like Philly, giving these newfangled devices away to people who've been left behind by the Computer Age, and perhaps also offering them at reduced prices to people who can afford them and simply want easier or more convenient online access.

In return, these news organizations -- you really couldn't call them "newspapers" anymore if this scheme were successful -- would reap enormous benefits, including a community-relations coup and a closer bond with newfound online readers, a golden opportunity for branding their website (the Web address could, and should, be advertised on the new device), and the chartitable operation could even lead to a new news-gathering eco-structure (more on that in a second.) The newsroom-sponsored netbook drive would even offer flexability in the search for the Holy Grail of a new business model -- the goodwill generated by this could encourage voluntary donations from those with the ability to pay, in the mode of NPR, or it could possibly advance the paid subscription model coupled with free access to the neediest of the new netbook owners.

Earlier today, I pointed to an article about how legislation could help newspapers reform as Low-Profit Limited Liability Corporations, which would allow news orgs to function more like a charity because of their demonstrrated "social benefit." The effort is sure to get snickers from a lot of people -- especially the politically involved on the left and the right -- who think that journalists are deluded into grossly overstating the social benefits we provide. That's a legitimate debate, but what if newsrooms put their remaining muscle behind a program to provide information to the public and close the digital divide at the same time? That's "social benefit" we can beleive in!

Look, we all know that newspapers don't have much spare cash tucked under the mattress these days, not with so many in Chapter 11. But what if a newspaper like the Philadelphia Daily News were able to partner with one of the larger charitable organizations in town -- you (and they) know who they are -- to launch a netbook-giveaway program. What if the cost for these devices really comes down to $99 (and less if purchased in bulk). Do the math: A $1 million annual program could provide netbooks to some 15,000 families, and a 10-year program would close the digital divide in a large city like Philadelphia for good.

News orgs and their new philanthropic partners could leverage this effort in many ways. There surely could be an overt effort to link the computer giveaway to increasing readership of the news Web site. The netbooks could come programmed or even hardwired to automatically make Philly.com its homepage, or the data -- like email addresses -- collected through the project could be used to promote readership by blasting out major news stories.

But a truly innovative newsroom would find even more clever ways to use a program like this, to completely rearrange the relationship between the journalist and the community. By that I mean the people spending their work days giving away the computers shouldn't just be functionaries but "news evangelists" - people who could work with these new netbook owners to convert those who are motivated into a network of engaged citizen journalists. They could also serve as the newsroom's eyeballs in these now under-covered urban neighborhoods, working to come up with new story ideas. 

This netbook model would help solve two of the biggest problem facing today's newspapers: It would increase online readership and brand loyalty while speeding the move away from paper and thus the high costs of newsprint, printing presses and delivery trucks that are associated with it. It would not solve the revenue problem of online journalism, but it would buy some time and allow newsrooms to get their foot in the door, or on the rowhouse stoop, until that problem is solved.

Investing money to grow the brand and attract new readers, as opposed to a death spiral of cost-cutting? Crazy talk, I know. But Hunter S. Thompson, who would not have allowed journalism to die without a fight, said famously that when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. And this idea might actually be weird enough to work.

(Programming note: You won't have regular Attytood posting to kick arouind for the next 10 days or so, as I am tapping into my days off for a kind of a spring break. I may throw up some open-thread posts for you people to do your commenting thing...if I can.)

Posted by Will Bunch @ 12:25 AM  Permalink | 84 comments
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Posted 12:53 PM, 04/11/2009
bryanc
"(3) The causal link was the over-leveraging that bankers did to buy packaged bad debt," What do you think was in that bad debt, TPS? Candy cigarettes?
Posted 03:25 PM, 04/06/2009
bryanc
TPS, you were doing so well up until #4 ("the philosophy behind the legislative initiatives that allowed for over-leveraging and the involvement of investment banks in the mortgage industry were, for the most part, part of the Republican platform of deregulation for decades.") At least this time you added a qualifier ("for the most part") instead of your usual 'it's all the Republican's fault' mantra. I guess that can be considered progress.
Posted 10:20 AM, 04/06/2009
Talking point sleuth
First, bryanc, I didn't say that ANY politician has my best interests at heart. I've posted here many times that I think that with a very few exceptions, they're all crooks. I don't think that Dems are any more likely to be motivated by values than Repubs. They're basically all driven to enact policies that satisfy the needs off the lobbyists and big-money contributors. And, once again, I never said that Dems aren't part of the problem. I'm only stating that (1) CRA was not causal to the problem, (2) F & F were more a symptom of the problem than the cause of the problems, (3) The causal link was the over-leveraging that bankers did to buy packaged bad debt, (4) the philosophy behind the legislative initiatives that allowed for over-leveraging and the involvement of investment banks in the mortgage industry were, for the most part, part of the Republican platform of deregulation for decades. The mortgage crises is much more a result of Republicans attacking the regulatory role of government to limit the excesses of capitalism than it is the result of attempts to eliminate discrimination in lending.
Posted 10:11 AM, 04/06/2009
Talking point sleuth
---}}} banks are pressured to lend too much money to those who can't afford the payments; {{{--- The banks were pressured for years - because there was discrimination in lending. Years. Decades. Was there a problem? No. The problem developed when corporate hacks leveraged at 35 to 1 to buy bundled bad debt - concentrating the debt in the institutions which are extremely fundamental in our economy. F & F eventually did lower their lending and underwriting standards - to stay competitive with banks that were cleaning up on such practices - and for that, the execs at F & F should be held responsible, along with the corporate hacks at the hedge funds and investment banks who were also completely irresponsible. But loans given by banks that had to comply with the CRA were held to higher standards, and are defaulting at a lower rate, accordingly.
Posted 10:00 AM, 04/06/2009
bryanc
" But when doing so, you neglect to mention the primary driver behind the repeal. A Republican. A Republican who figured prominantly in McCain's campaign." All I am doing, TPS, is refuting your party-line tripe about this all being a Republican led problem, which you still can;t seem to get over with. Even when someone points out that Democrats were just as guilty, you always post a response: "Yeah but...". I'm not defending Republicans, of the GOP behavior, although you seem insistent in proving that I am. I am simply stating the truth -- that your beloved Democrats, who defend "the little people", are just as guilty, just as complicit, for creating this debacle as anyone else. You go ahead and keep thinking that ANY current politician has your best interest at heart, then give me a ring in a couple of years when you pull your head out of the sand.
Posted 09:53 AM, 04/06/2009
bryanc
OK, MSL, I guess I wrote too many words for you to read without moving your lips. (((You give me a history of the enforcement of the CRA? No causal link whatsoever to the subprime mess, except your own bigoted belief that minorities MUST be the cause of it? Come on, don't waste your time dude.))) I'll give you numbers: ACORN filed 13 civil action suits alleging racism in viloation of the CRA against banks from 1995 to 1997. ACORN representatives showed up at dozens more yearly banking reviews for firms to pressure them for more funds, and since a bad review could lead to denial of a merger or legal challenges from the justice department, banks were pressured into playing ball. So let's see if you can follow this "causal" link -- banks are pressured to lend too much money to those who can't afford the payments; the loans are then sold off to fannie and freddie, putting the risk on the shoulders of the taxpayer; banks start to make MORE risky loans to middle and higher income brackets (no-doc loans, ARMs, etc) to keep the profits rolling in; firms buy insurance against the risks of these assets falling, involving insurance companies in the mess; banks and freddie/fannie pay politicians to resist regulation; and poof, you have the beginning of the mortgage mess, which led to the credit crisis. And as far as this statement " except your own bigoted belief that minorities MUST be the cause of it?" Not once... NOT ONCE... did I EVER say that minorities were to blame for the mess. In fact I clearly stated that the CRA was a good law with good intentions (that was working well until the advocacy groups got involved, then Bush relaxed enforcement of the act). I guess that is the Democratic MO lately, though -- anoyone who doesn't drink your Kool-Aid is instantly labeled a racist.
Posted 06:22 PM, 04/05/2009
Talking point sleuth
---}}} Wow, the grammar police are out in full force. {{{--- No one commented on your grammar, only your punctuation and syntax. Oh yeah, and your whining.
Posted 01:23 PM, 04/05/2009
camtheman
Wow, the grammar police are out in full force. I feel so insignificant when commenting next to these prize winning philly.com posters who constantly need to soothe their sense of self-importance.
Posted 12:59 PM, 04/05/2009
montani semper liberi
"Why don't you revoke my account right now..." . . . . . Why don't you end that with a question mark? Do you talk that way?
Posted 12:46 PM, 04/05/2009
montani semper liberi
bryanc, I asked for numbers. You give me a history of the enforcement of the CRA? No causal link whatsoever to the subprime mess, except your own bigoted belief that minorities MUST be the cause of it? Come on, don't waste your time dude.
Posted 12:32 PM, 04/05/2009
camtheman
"---}}} Heaven forbid the world will come to an end if your misguided logic was absent on this forum. {{{--- Poorly punctuated, cametheman, poorly punctuated." Oh my gosh, I didn't punctuate? The gaul!! Why don't you revoke my account right now...
Posted 11:07 AM, 04/05/2009
Talking point sleuth
Lol! It doesn't matter that the banks that the CRA applied to weren't the ones that gave out the majority of the bad loans. It doesn't matter that banks under CRA defaulted at a much lower rate because of higher standards. It doesn't matter that even when banks subject to CRA defaulted, it was the 35 to 1 leveraging used to buy packaged bad debt that led to the sub-prime crisis meltdown. What matters is that Republican toadies are firmly intent a self-justifying logic that, necessarily, a crisis enabled by a lack of regulation and irresponsible decisions by out-of-control capitalists, MUST prove that government is bad.
Posted 11:02 AM, 04/05/2009
Talking point sleuth
Classic, bryanc, classic. You bring up the Glass-Steagall repeal, which Dems should rightly be held accountable for. It was fundamentally responsible for the problems (as opposed to F & F or the CRA, or individual homeowners). But when doing so, you neglect to mention the primary driver behind the repeal. A Republican. A Republican who figured prominantly in McCain's campaign. The candidate Republican toadies say would have "reformed" the system. Lol! --snip-- Shortly after George W. Bush was elected president, Congress and President Clinton were trying to pass a $384 billion omnibus spending bill, and while the debates swirled around the passage of this bill, Senator Phil Gramm clandestinely slipped a 262-page amendment into the omnibus appropriations bill titled: Commodity Futures Modernization Act. It is likely that few senators read this bill, if any. The essence of the act was the deregulation of derivatives trading (financial instruments whose value changes in response to the changes in underlying variables; the main use of derivatives is to reduce risk for one party). The legislation contained a provision -- lobbied for by Enron, a major campaign contributor to Gramm -- that exempted energy trading from regulatory oversight. Basically, it gave way to the Enron debacle and ushered in the new era of unregulated securities. Interestingly enough, Gramm's wife, Wendy, had been part of the Enron board, and her salary and stock income brought in between $900,000 and $1.8 million to the Gramm household, prior to the passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act.
Posted 10:55 AM, 04/05/2009
Talking point sleuth
Wow! I guess you really need an explanation. Ok, bryanc. The comment you quoted was calling out Republican toadies for falsely blaming F & F, or individual homeowners, for the crises - instead of placing the blame where it belongs, on out-of-control corporate hacks who leveraged 35-1 to buy bad debt. "Libz" don't come one here and offer lame justifications for corporate greed. However, in terms of policies, and in terms of the political structures that enable and caused the crisis, Dem politicians were definitely a part of the problem - just not as big a part as Repubs. There. Understand now, bryanc.
Posted 10:50 AM, 04/05/2009
bryanc
TPS, you wrote: ((("Interesting that you and your fellow ARTs need to keep saying that I blame only Repubs - when I don't."))--- Let me remind you of something. Who wrote ""The real problem is with the out-of-control capitalism that Republican toadies love so much"? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Will Bunch. It was you. But I LOVE how you then go on to explain how the democratic party and politicians like Summershave somehow come under the magic spell of the GOP party's "mantra of deregulation". So let's follow your "logic" here. The GOP is at fault, and even when the Democratic party does something wrong (like Summers, Dodd, Frank, Reno, Kerry, Clinton, etc), it is because they have fallen under the GOP spell. Wow, maybe the GOP isn't as "marginalized" as I thought, seeing as how they have the skill to convince the dems of something so obviously against their own principles, like some legislative Manchurian Candidate. Puhlease. You started going down the correct road in your last post, finally admitting that blame lies with POLITICIANS, of any party, before veering off into the moonbat realm again. Let me ask you this, which president signed the repeal of the 1933 Glass-Stegall Act, separating commercial and investment banking services? Hint: it wasn't a Republican. Another hint, 38 democratic senators (including Dodd, Kerry, Edwards, Daschle, and the current vice President). ANOTHER hint, this president said that, unlike Obama's statements to the contrary, that signing the repeal wasn;t a mistake, and didn't lead to the current economic crisis, adding, "I can't blame (the Republicans). This wasn't something they forced me into.” Wow, so the Republican spell is so powerful, it even fooled (answer) Bill CLINTON!!! Amazing!
Posted 10:31 AM, 04/05/2009
bryanc
MSL, let me see if I can answer at least part of your questions ("Which good banks, and how many bad loans?)": Janet Reno, in 1994, stated re: the CRA -- "No loan is exempt, no bank is immune... for those who thumb their nose at us, I promise vigorous enforcement.” Remember that Clinton's 1992 anti-redlining revision of the CRA shortly before Reno's statement allowed community activist organizations (like ACORN) to bringe charges against banks for violating the CRA. By allowing a non-government agency to bring charges, it opened the door to class-action suits, a booddoggle for the law lobby. It became a shakedown, like Jesse Jackson's Operation PUSH. Banks had to play ball or they would be labeled as racist. One year after Reno's threat to use "vigorous enforcement" of the CRA, minorty home ownership begain a very steep rise, much faster than the increase of home ownership in the general population. within a decade, banks regulated by the CRA (Washington Mutual, IndyMac) and those who still came under federal pressure by both Clinton and Bush administrations to increase minority lending (Contrywide) were in deep doo-doo. Countrywide became Fannie/Freddie's biggest customer (moral hazard warning -- Contrywide gets to make risky loans knowing they will be bought by F&F no matter what). Suits were filed by many community organizations liek Acorn, with support of the Reno Justice department, against Citibank, JP Morgan, Chase, IndyMac, Bank of North Dakota, Bank of America, Washington Mutual, Wells Fargo, Wachovia, First Union, and many more, claiming racism in denying thousands of loan applications and threatening banks with expansion refusal due to "violations" of the CRA. The CRA (and even Clinton's anti-discrimination change) are laws with great intent -- but they started a vicious cycle rolling, with blood on the hands of both parties. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted 10:10 AM, 04/05/2009
Talking point sleuth
---}}} Heaven forbid the world will come to an end if your misguided logic was absent on this forum. {{{--- Poorly punctuated, cametheman, poorly punctuated.
Posted 10:08 AM, 04/05/2009
Talking point sleuth
---}}} You can keep regurgitating the party line about it being all the GOPs fault,.. {{{--- Never have, and never will, bryanc. Some of the deregulation - that actually was policy that was causal to the crises we're now in as opposed to the CRA - happened under Dem administrations and was orchestrated by corporate hacks like Larry Summers. Interesting that you and your fellow ARTs need to keep saying that I blame only Repubs - when I don't. But I do accurately point out that (1) Republican mantra, and a main plank in the Republican platform, has been massive de-regulation. Powerful Republican frightwing pundits have been pounding on decades on the mantra that government is not good at anything, and that has laid the groundwork for dismantling government's role in regulating capitalism. Summers is an example of a Dem who has embraced that mantra, and Democratic Dems in general have not presented any real opposition - but it has been Republicans that have lead the charge, and (2) Republican toadies, throughout this crisis, have bent themselves over backwards as apologists for the out-of-control capitalists whose irresponsible actions caused this problem - and instead, chosen to try to shift blame to F & F and individual homeowners.
Posted 09:14 AM, 04/05/2009
camtheman
" Toadies can't type? Toadies can't spell? Toadies can't get their thoughts straight? No problem" Oh forgive us grammar police officer TPS. Heaven forbid the world will come to an end if your misguided logic was absent on this forum.
Posted 08:45 AM, 04/05/2009
montani semper liberi
".......Fed economists found that about 60% of higher-priced loan originations — the technical definition of subrpime — went to middle- or higher-income borrowers or neighborhoods who aren’t targeted by CRA. More than 20% of the higher-priced loans were extended to lower-income borrowers or borrowers in lower-income areas by institutions that aren’t banks — and aren’t covered by CRA. The “striking result,” Kroszner said: “Only 6% of all the higher-priced loans were extended by CRA-covered lenders to lower-income borrowers or neighborhoods in their CRA assessment areas, the local geographies that are the primary focus for CRA evaluation purposes.” “This result undermines the assertion by critics of the potential for a substantial role for the CRA in the subprime crisis. In other words, the very small share of all higher-priced loan originations that can reasonably be attributed to the CRA makes it hard to imagine how this law could have contributed in any meaningful way to the current subprime crisis.” Banks can also meet CRA obligations by buying loans from mortgage brokers, he noted. But less than 2% of the higher-priced loans (those would help banks meet CRA requirements) sold by independent mortgage companies were purchased by CRA-covered institutions........" . . . . . http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/03/feds-kroszner-defends-community-reinvestment-act/
Posted 08:29 AM, 04/05/2009
montani semper liberi
"But what the CRA DID do, starting in the mid-90s, was force good banks and lending firms to make bad loans." . . . . . . . . . . Which good banks, and how many bad loans?
Posted 10:15 PM, 04/04/2009
bryanc
"No problem. Blame the software." TPS, I don't think it is unfair to say that the software is deficient when it is lacking evan a basic feature like an EDIT option. Heck, even the message board on this very site has that feature. It's like using Wordstar, for crying out loud.
Posted 10:09 PM, 04/04/2009
bryanc
Like I said, TPS, both parties are in the bag for big money. You can keep regurgitating the party line about it being all the GOPs fault, but there is plenty -- PLENTY -- of blame on both sides. On a side note, I find it more than funny (and a little sad, actually) that you constantly lecture to conservative-leaning folks on this board about how they are all at fault, and they only follow the Rush Limbaugh line, blah blah blah. Yet, there is nothing that comes off of your keyboard that one couldn't find on an original post on Huffington or Daily Kos (and in fact, many of your posts and information I have seen there first). So who is really the one who is single-minded on this board? Also "Fact is, however, that despite the attempts by Republican toadies, bryanc, neither they, nor the CRA were responsible for the credit crises. The CRA existed for years before all this became problematic." And yes, the CRA existed for a good many years before this all happened. In fact it existed for almost 30 years before Bush had the braindump of the lifetime with the idea to relax CRA enforcement from almost the day he took office. But what the CRA DID do, starting in the mid-90s, was force good banks and lending firms to make bad loans. Janet Reno said many times that she would use the CRA to force banks to make more high-risk loans (and, in fact, she filed charges against more than 13 major banks). Even Barack Obama sued CitiBank with charges of redlining and racism while he was working for ACORN (Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank). It didn't matter that most of these suits were unfounded -- the charge of racism sticks as easy to a bank's reputation as the word "rape" does to a Duke lacrosse player. Was the CRA the ONLY reason for the mortgage crisis? No -- but it was a very important contributor. One of many, that BOTH parties had a hand in totally screwing up.
Posted 09:45 PM, 04/04/2009
bryanc
TPS: "Toadies can't type? Toadies can't spell? Toadies can't get their thoughts straight? No problem. Blame the software." )) And who was that just complaining earlier this week about jumping to insults? Could it be you? Nahh.... never! Pot, meet the kettle, you're black. Hypocrite.
Posted 05:07 PM, 04/04/2009
Talking point sleuth
Apparently the dude was a citizen for 25 years, batboy. No matter - the fact that he was born in another country and looks different than you is reason enough to start you on your immigrant-bashing, eh? But do keep it up. The immigrant-bashing you love so much is a great way for you and your frightwing lunatic buddies to reverse your political marginalization.
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Posted 11:36 AM, 04/04/2009
Talking point sleuth
Wow! Batboy jumps right into exploiting the deaths of innocents to spew hatred for immigrants. Tell me, batboy, when an American citizen goes off on a mass murder spree - do you similarly think that their nationality is the cause?
Posted 11:27 AM, 04/04/2009
Talking point sleuth
Never excused F&F or the Dems, bryanc. But it is Republican toadies on here and everywhere else that are, and have been for decades, apologizing for the destruction that out-of-control Capitalism has wreaked on our economy. --snip-- When George W. Bush ran for president, part of the Republican Party platform was that “homeownership is central to the American Dream.” Those words were manna for Fannie and Freddie. And Bush appointed people to their boards, including Yale classmate Victor Ashe and campaign donor Manuel Justiz. (“It is a great honor to be appointed by the President to serve on the board of a company with such an important housing mission,” wrote the Bush appointees in a letter to ofheo in late 2001.) In 2002, Karl Rove invited Raines to Bush’s economic summit in Waco. Raines still keeps a “Doonesbury” cartoon on his wall that features an admiring Bush saying, “Franklin can tell you … Perhaps most notably, after a 2002 event in Atlanta in which Bush announced his efforts to help 5.5 million black and Hispanic families buy homes before the end of the decade, both Raines and Freddie C.E.O. Leland Brendsel flew back with him on Air Force One. ” --snip-- F & F were poorly run by bunch of crooks. High-ranking execs at F & F made millions from irresponsible decisions that ruined the basic financials of the entities. In that, they were just like all the big time investment banks that ran into similar problems when the bubble burst. Fact is, however, that despite the attempts by Republican toadies, bryanc, neither they, nor the CRA were responsible for the credit crises. The CRA existed for years before all this became problematic.
Posted 11:20 AM, 04/04/2009
waynoNE
At least Will admitted that the paper is marketed to blue-collar, and African American readers. NEWS FLASH! Blue collar people, poor whites, and inner city African Americans are educated in public schools. Philly's public schools aren't exactly a pipeline for literacy. Does anybody realize that a large majority of the intended audience for the Daily News is incapable/not interested of digesting what they are spending so much $$$ to produce? The Daily News should partner with ACORN, and have a Community Organizer read the Daily News out loud on street corners. This way the message can get out, and the target audience will stay involved.
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Posted 08:48 AM, 04/04/2009
Talking point sleuth
Lol! "Public companies," "heaving panting," "Must be really loud WERE you are...." {{--}} Toadies can't type? Toadies can't spell? Toadies can't get their thoughts straight? No problem. Blame the software.
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Posted 12:34 AM, 04/04/2009
camtheman
I can hear the death nail for Philly's newspapers right now. Must be really loud were you are Willy
Posted 05:46 PM, 04/03/2009
bryanc
I said "public companies" in that previous post. I meant to say private companies. This blogging software stinks -- it needs an edit feature.
Posted 05:43 PM, 04/03/2009
bryanc
"The real problem is with the out-of-control capitalism that Republican toadies love so much." Yawn. Some questions for ya: 1) What President passed the Community Reinvestment Act? (A: Carter) 2) Which president revised the CRA so that community activist organizations could shakedown banks for not lending enough to poor people? (A: Clinton) 3) What congressman said in 2003, after thwarting the attempt to overhaul Fannie/Freddie, "I believe Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do vry good work, and they are not endangering the fiscal health of this country... I believe that there has been more alarm raised... than, in fact, exists."? (A: Barney Frank, (D)) 4) 57 percent of the $37 million in campaign donations last year from companies who have since received bailout funds went to which party? (A: Dems) 5) What's the split by party for the top 10 recipients of campaign donations from Fannie/Freddie since 1989 (A: split, 5 GOP, 5 Dem). Which congressman was sleeping with the the assistant director for product initiatives (in charge of low-income loans) of Fannie Mae while sitting on the House Banking Committee (which regulates Fannie/Freddie)? (A: Barney Frank, (D)). But riiiggghhhhtttt.... it is only REPUBLICANS who create and love out-of-control capitalism. You keep buying that party line, TPS. Meanwhile, the truth speaks volumes -- both parties are completely in the tank for big money.
Posted 05:18 PM, 04/03/2009
bryanc
Although I find the idea of bonuses for a bankrupt or bailout company as reprehensible as the rest (TPS: "The company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy - but Tierney and he and the top execs got $650,000 in bonuses in December. "), I have to say that the government should have no place in determining what executives at public companies do or don't get paid. That's a matter for the stockholders and the board of directors. Further, does anyone really thing that a few million in bonuses would make ANY difference with these companies? AIG gave out $161 million, but they got $170 billion in bailout. Fannie and Freddie are STILL handing out millions in campaign donations and bonuses, and they are completely government owned. Would it make a difference?
Posted 04:05 PM, 04/03/2009
bpphilly
Outrage? What outrage??? Fannie and Freddie set to pay out bonuses through next year eclipsing the $200 million dollar mark. Yes, that's roughly $35 million more than AIG. Hmmmmmmm....I wonder why there's no blogs/stories/clippings/links on Philly.com to this little tidbit. I wonder when ACORN will be bussing people to the homes of Fannie/Freddie employees who received bonuses? Incredible.
Posted 03:16 PM, 04/03/2009
philagator
Unfortunately, I have to agree with some of the negativity of the other posters on here. The majority of netbooks or similar laptop giveaways will NOT be used to read philly.com on a regular basis. Wishfull thinking though, for someone trying to save his industry.
Posted 02:40 PM, 04/03/2009
legatus
"Who was that ultraliberal Speaker of the House who wanted to give poor folks tax credits to buy laptops in the 90s?" If he had only gotten his way, we wouldn't be the cash strapped nation we are today. ;^) (To be honest, I really have no problem with the Inky/Daily News, or the charities, doing whatever they want with their money. Not sure why any conservative would have a problem with these organizations' exercising their right spend in whatever way they see fit. It might be a stupid idea, but it is THEIR stupid idea and THEIR money.)
Posted 02:03 PM, 04/03/2009
Hamlet
Newt Lenin? Vladimir Ilyich Gingrich?
Posted 01:50 PM, 04/03/2009
montani semper liberi
Somebody help me out. Who was that ultraliberal Speaker of the House who wanted to give poor folks tax credits to buy laptops in the 90s?
Posted 01:42 PM, 04/03/2009
taxmemore
Will thinks a cash strapped company giving away free laptops is a great idea.....no wonder He and all his liberal cronies can't make any $ on their own....thank goodness for the handouts from our new emperor
Posted 01:07 PM, 04/03/2009
Talking point sleuth
---}}} Fact is, Tierney WAY overpaid for the Inky/Daily News, practically doubliing what the titles were really worth (and that's an industry view, not my own). He took his chance, he is failing. {{{--- The real problem is with the out-of-control capitalism that Republican toadies love so much. Purchasers of the Daily News/Inky borrowed irresponsibly ($450 million of the $562 million purchase price). What did they care if they overpaid? Did Tierney fail? The company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy - but Tierney and he and the top execs got $650,000 in bonuses in December. Just like apologists for fat cats want to blame homeowners for the completely irresponsible behavior of bankers (who collect huge bonuses and laugh all the way to the bank while their banks collapse), apologists want to blame failure of newspapers on "left-wing bias" instead of obvious corporate mis-management and, oh yeah, that minor little factor called the Internets.
Posted 12:40 PM, 04/03/2009
Captain Awesome
...well, and the people will need electricity to charge the laptop batteries. Might as well foot the bill for that, too. And, gotta have a roof to put over the latop computer, so let's take care of that. Oh, and how can someone get on the Internet if they're hungry? We should provide them with food.
Posted 11:51 AM, 04/03/2009
Hamlet
"Feel free to tell me again how I'm wrong and that you're still getting around in a horse-and-buggy." Oh, I see. It's not that Batty sees print journalism as obsolete - he thinks all journalism is obsolete!
Posted 11:42 AM, 04/03/2009
Hamlet
Harry, you could spend the next ten days improving your repartee – the way you try to insult Will is *really* lame. Try http://www.insultmonger.com.
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Posted 11:30 AM, 04/03/2009
beetlejuice
Why is this such a tough problem. Portable TVs have been around for quite some time? All Phila needs is a Daily News channel. TV helped kill the newspapers maybe they can help to revive them.
Posted 11:24 AM, 04/03/2009
bird11
I think we all need to stop commenting - what if they find out we have computers?? We might not get free stuff.
Posted 11:18 AM, 04/03/2009
lan1122
"People would spend 3 minutes on philly.com, not click on any ads, and then leave to go to american idol websites".... I go to the american idol websites first.
Posted 10:59 AM, 04/03/2009
chasing history
Will, combine the best of the Inky and DN, and allow subscribers to the paper have bonus access to online content. Beef up the online capacity to allow for real discussion via a message board, versus this comment stuff, and I think it will go a long way towards saving the paper. And I do find it so amusing that the neococonuts come on here every day, like moths to a flame, to offer nothing but sour grapes. Their jealousy is palpable.
Posted 10:59 AM, 04/03/2009
bryanc
"You offer criticism with no solutions or better ideas. Typical Republican stuff.")))))----- Oh, there's a solution, and it doesn't involve government bailouts or millions of dollars for free PCs. It's called bankruptcy. It's called a business model. You provide the customer with what they want, and you charge a fee that covers your expenses and provides a profit. If you don't, someone else will. I don't see News Corp going bankrupt (yet), or Gannett. Fact is, Tierney WAY overpaid for the Inky/Daily News, practically doubliing what the titles were really worth (and that's an industry view, not my own). He took his chance, he is failing. If the Inky/Daily News goes under, customers will find their news elsewhere (there's a bunch of sources) and a new organization will take it's place.
Posted 10:58 AM, 04/03/2009
bpphilly
Is the Messiah providing the funding for this lame and unrealistic idea? Get real tubs, as someone already stated...3/4 of your giveaway netbooks would be on e-bay 12 minutes after they were received. LOL.
Posted 10:51 AM, 04/03/2009
bryanc
"Who you calling you people? " Hah, that line from Tropic Thunder just never stops being funny.
Posted 10:30 AM, 04/03/2009
James TL
I also advise you not to let the fear and loathing of some of your regular posters get you down. Most of us the come here regularly like what you write.
Posted 10:24 AM, 04/03/2009
James TL
Will; As your attourney, I advise you to take drugs heavily during your vacation.
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Posted 10:12 AM, 04/03/2009
Master Dreamz
bill, thanks for proving MSL's point. You offer criticism with no solutions or better ideas. Typical Republican stuff.
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Posted 09:51 AM, 04/03/2009
bryanc
Oh I LOVE this idea. First, let the government grant you a special "charity organization" designation. Second, give everyone a free computer. Third, under the guise of "protecting the children" or some such v-chip like claptrap, the government exerts control over the content on the netbooks a'la PBS -- after all, it was public money that paid for the netbooks, right? It would either be censored or have to meet the criteria of a government-run, non-elected group before distribution (which is akin to censorship). Noooooo, nothing to worry about here, folks.
Posted 09:48 AM, 04/03/2009
thelupe24
if you stay away i promise to miss you
Posted 09:43 AM, 04/03/2009
montani semper liberi
I'm always amused at how extreme rightwingers like batty think about problem solving. Pretend you're smart by laughing off any new idea with absurdity as long as they're not on the spot to come up with something better.
Posted 09:39 AM, 04/03/2009
one_eyed_jack
harry you need help. 1am and you are staring at the computer, hitting F5, just waiting for Will's post. How did you let wolfgang beat you to the first post?
Posted 09:32 AM, 04/03/2009
montani semper liberi
"You'll give these things away, and they'll be used for adult oriented activities." . . . . . . . . Like projecting their homoerotic fantasies at Bunch? Maybe it's not a bad idea after all.
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Posted 09:27 AM, 04/03/2009
beetlejuice
I'm still wondering what the people in Phila do with those free smoke alarms that the fire department gives them......
Posted 09:24 AM, 04/03/2009
E.Plebnista
Well, thanks for coming back to edit your hate for publication, jmc. Always nice to see the Hate Americans First crowd representing. And it's so nice that you actually created a phantom American to hate - what? not enough real Americans to unleash your animus upon? It must be tough living in a world where you not only hate your fellow Americans, but create new ones just to be angry at. Of course, we're used to that, coming from the lunatic fringe of the marginalized minority as you do...
Posted 09:19 AM, 04/03/2009
montani semper liberi
As always, harry sig can't get enough of you Will. Poor thing will be lost for the next ten days.
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Posted 09:03 AM, 04/03/2009
montani semper liberi
Will, first, you underestimate your readership's access to technology. Your news org needs to adapt to it. Don't expect readers to adapt to your notion of what they need. You have no control over the evolution of technology. Secondly, to survive you have to serve youth, and in that regard, innovative software incentives are more sensible than hardware.
Posted 08:46 AM, 04/03/2009
WriteWinger
You really extended yourself for your last posting before vacationing. You must be tired. "I may throw up some open thread posts for you people to do your commenting thing." Who you calling you people? And if Hunter Thompson was so tough as to not allow journalism to die without a fight, he should have used that prowess to NOT commit suicide as he did. Can't believe he didn't call you that day, or did he?
Posted 08:38 AM, 04/03/2009
fafafooey
What good are the Netbooks without wireless Internet access? I guess you want someone to give that away for free too. Philly tried that and couldn't make it work (as I predicted). And how long before those Netbooks are sold for some smack.
Posted 08:32 AM, 04/03/2009
CD75
Will, it is over. Just face it. Move on. "Nearly no one reads the Daily News" [aka The Daily Snooze]
Posted 08:10 AM, 04/03/2009
peabody
How many of these free PCs will be listed on EBay the next day?
Posted 07:49 AM, 04/03/2009
jmc
If people in these poor urban neighborhoods can have a big-screen HDTV, cable, cell phones, and designer clothes, why can't they just buy a laptop or one of these netbooks? And what makes you think a giveaway will establish some kind of bond between readers and newspapers? You'll give these things away, and they'll be used for adult oriented activities. (I'd use the other word, but I was sent to "reviewed for publication" limbo when I tried to post this earlier.)
Posted 07:27 AM, 04/03/2009
markczar
Is Will Bunch willing to work for no salary (be a "news evangelist") to help offset the cost of some of this? Or is just ok with OPM (other people's money)? Get real.
Posted 07:11 AM, 04/03/2009
Mister Incognito
The government should give each household a computer and the Internet should be free. The post office should be done away with.
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Posted 05:57 AM, 04/03/2009
tokar
I think it is a great idea. All of these netbooks come with wireless and coupled with Philadelphia's municipal wireless you could get a real bump in readership with no cost to the people receiving, mind you to do this you would have to make it very clear that Philly.com/DailyNews/Inquirer is behind the promotion - i.e. make the laptops branded with Philly.com, homepage set to Philly.com, have a Philly.com toolbar in the browser. You can't give people computers and expect them to go where you want. When we first got Comcast internet back in the late 90's, comcast made it very clear that they wanted you to use Comcast services - Comcast branded Netscape Navigator, Comcast branded e-mail, Comcast.net set as homepage, etc. In response to Wolfgang: I presume you are referring to the very first EeePC's? They may be crud by today's standards but they can still run Linux very well, which is more than enough to do mundane functions like internet, e-mail and word processing. And who spends more than a few minutes on Philly.com looking at all the sections, anyway? Moreover, if the Daily News/Inquirer gave out these computers with the INTENT of going completely digital then people who still want to read these papers will HAVE to go online for it, so I don't think it is a destined failure. About your e-waste comment: considering the target group are people who can't afford computers, upgrades are rather unlikely, they are probably going to stick with these computers long after they are meant to be trashed. Sure, this may cause a bump in waste down the line, but maybe by that time we will have refined the recycling process? Maybe? (lol...more like "maybe unlikely").
Posted 05:57 AM, 04/03/2009
tokar
I think it is a great idea. All of these netbooks come with wireless and coupled with Philadelphia's municipal wireless you could get a real bump in readership with no cost to the people receiving, mind you to do this you would have to make it very clear that Philly.com/DailyNews/Inquirer is behind the promotion - i.e. make the laptops branded with Philly.com, homepage set to Philly.com, have a Philly.com toolbar in the browser. You can't give people computers and expect them to go where you want. When we first got Comcast internet back in the late 90's, comcast made it very clear that they wanted you to use Comcast services - Comcast branded Netscape Navigator, Comcast branded e-mail, Comcast.net set as homepage, etc. In response to Wolfgang: I presume you are referring to the very first EeePC's? They may be crud by today's standards but they can still run Linux very well, which is more than enough to do mundane functions like internet, e-mail and word processing. And who spends more than a few minutes on Philly.com looking at all the sections, anyway? Moreover, if the Daily News/Inquirer gave out these computers with the INTENT of going completely digital then people who still want to read these papers will HAVE to go online for it, so I don't think it is a destined failure. About your e-waste comment: considering the target group are people who can't afford computers, upgrades are rather unlikely, they are probably going to stick with these computers long after they are meant to be trashed. Sure, this may cause a bump in waste down the line, but maybe by that time we will have refined the recycling process? Maybe? (lol...more like "maybe unlikely").
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Posted 12:39 AM, 04/03/2009
Wolfgang
Will - the cheapest eeepc is a piece of crud. Giving these out would create so much electronic waste. Giving people "access" to the paper this way is bound to fail. People would spend 3 minutes on philly.com, not click on any ads, and then leave to go to american idol websites. This idea is so far-fetched.
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