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Thursday, July 10, 2008

What we say to conservatives:

“You know, I don’t understand when people are going around worrying about, ‘We need to have English- only.’ They want to pass a law, ‘We want English-only.’ Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that. But understand this. Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English — they’ll learn English — you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual? We should have every child speaking more than one language.

“You know, it’s embarrassing when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say [is], ‘Merci beaucoup.’ Right? (Laughter) You know, no, I’m serious about this. We should understand that our young people, if you have a foreign language, that is a powerful tool to get a job. You are so much more employable. You can be part of international business. So we should be emphasizing foreign languages in our schools from an early age, because children will actually learn a foreign language easier when they’re 5, or 6, or 7 than when they’re 46, like me.”

What conservatives hear:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOUR CHILD CAN SPEAK SPANISH blah blah blah blah blah. 

By the way, did you know that Obama can speak Indonesian. He probably uses it to discuss strategy with his terrorist overlords after he gives them the secret fist-jab symbol.

Speaking of baseball, J-Roll hit a triple last night, and the Phillies finally won. Coincidence? I think not.

Open thread, people. It's all out there.

Posted by Will Bunch @ 8:33 AM  Permalink | 114 comments
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Posted 10:57 AM, 07/14/2008
molonlabe
FYI, Obama himself admitted that he doesn't speak Indonesian. NBC News was overly worshipful of the Obamessiah and said he "mastered" Indonesian: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/como-se-dice-ob.html By the way, when am I going to be able to read Philly.com in Mandarin?
Posted 12:51 PM, 07/11/2008
George Tomezsko
"What does Obama mean when he says the following: 'Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that.'?" I am posturing to appeal to middle-of-the-road voters.
Posted 09:03 AM, 07/11/2008
takisha
I thought that the democrats wanted them to learn french or spanish not math.If X = the drug dealer and Y = the buyer and Z = the Lamborghini. How many Ys does X have to hook before being able to buy Z. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- California 8th-graders face algebra mandate Sacramento Bee, by Deb Kollars The California State Board of Education agreed Wednesday to do something that no state in the nation has attempted: put every eighth-grader in public school through Algebra 1. The tough new requirement, which takes hold in three years, is expected to send shock waves across middle schools throughout the state.
Posted 08:56 AM, 07/11/2008
mookie
Muslim Scholars slam Iraqi uranium sale................................... United Press International, by Staff......................................... BAGHDAD -- The Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq issued a statement condemning the sale of processed uranium ore from an Iraqi nuclear facility to Canada. "The Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq condemns this robbery of American and Iraqi sides; affirming that this amount of national wealth is enormous and will be the responsibility of the U.S. occupation to compensate Iraqis with real value," the group said in a statement on its Web site. ...................... How Quaint! Beefing about the selling of the "Nonexistant Yellowcake" How can they be entitled to revenues form something that never existed?? "Muslim Scholars" Yup, that one's right up there with Jumbo Shrimp! Wasn't the Iraqi Government "compensated" by Cameco Corp of Canada? Are they saying George Soros, who has a major interest in Cameco, is not paying his bills.?
Posted 08:41 AM, 07/11/2008
Ramon
Obama can't be faulted for these comments, after all he's a typical mixed race person.
Posted 11:19 PM, 07/10/2008
ET
I've made posts to support my point of view but they didn't go through. It must be a left wing conspiracy
Posted 11:11 PM, 07/10/2008
ET
In India the official language sanctioned by the government is Hindu. The second language sanctioned by THE GOVERNMENT is English.
Posted 10:22 PM, 07/10/2008
ET
There is a government mandated language in China, did you forget what I said? However the real language spoken there is the US dollar. I've been to China my man and the only form of communication that matters is how much and when . Take your personal attacks somewhere else. India is a product of the Clinton administration. If you have to ask then you don't know.
Posted 10:22 PM, 07/10/2008
Col. Nathan R. Jessep
What Liberals Hear: blah blah blah blah HOPE blah blah CHANGE blah blay blah blah blah HOPE blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah CHANGE blah blah blah HOPE blah blah blah blah blahblah CHANGE blah blah blah HOPE blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah CHANGE blah.
Posted 09:50 PM, 07/10/2008
didderbops
Hey ET; China has 2 languages that are widely spoken: Mandarin and Cantonese. And India has even more (to go along with their economic success): Hindi, English, Tamil, and Punjabi can all be widely found. Keep encouraging ignorance though...
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Posted 09:04 PM, 07/10/2008
ET
Obama is a low rent political hack that has reached heights that are reserved for what we hope for are our best and brightest. Personally I never gave GW a shot at becoming president the first time let alone the second. Maybe there aren't enough people that in the US that can make the right decision. Could be they are too busy learning how to speak Spanish.
Posted 08:32 PM, 07/10/2008
ET
Actually the real means of comunication in China begins with a d and ends in an r IT'S THE US DOLLAR YOU IDIOTS!!!!!
Posted 08:27 PM, 07/10/2008
ET
China with 1.5 billion people has 13 different dialects They do however have a nationally mandated language. Why don't you liberals attack them?
Posted 07:44 PM, 07/10/2008
mookie
Yo yo homs wad up wid dat takin bout englash we don need nom stinkin enlash we be lurnin in our skewls
Posted 07:09 PM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
"What does it mean when Obama says "But....." after the magic quote with which you are enamored?...." ---}}}} Once again, Mr. Smith weighs in to comment about men and butts. What's up with that?
Posted 05:59 PM, 07/10/2008
Stevie D
Finally, something both funny AND true about Mr. Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-_KnP4kcY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni-bJ-SrGTM
Posted 05:54 PM, 07/10/2008
Stevie D
Finally something of value and humor pertaining to Obama: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-_KnP4kcY[/url] and [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-_KnP4kcY[/url].
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Posted 05:36 PM, 07/10/2008
A Friend
How 'bout, "...my grammy is a typical white person..." The ability to extrapolate is truly a gift. If a white person engaged in similar extrapolation, a tsunami of righteous indignation would explode from the left. We're doomed.
Posted 05:34 PM, 07/10/2008
CB
Just remember the top 10% of Chinese (using intellegence as a measurement) just about outnumber the entir USA including every man, woman, and child. India isn't far behind. Forget Spanish (it's a dead language), we need to begin offering one of the Chinese or Indian dialects in our educational system.
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Posted 04:38 PM, 07/10/2008
A Friend
Why do you lefties allow Jesse Jackson any kind of platform? Oh, that's right - he's an African American.
Posted 04:36 PM, 07/10/2008
KarlMarx
Why is he embarrassed by the country? When I go to Europe I am just visiting so I do not have to learn their language. Immigrants want to live hear so they need to learn English in order to be successful. Multi-grain you're a dope and a Marxist. Sorry bro that is not a bad word but if you favor his plans to redistribute wealth that is what you are. It's OK you just live in the wrong country. I hear real estate in China and the Soviet Union is cheap. Or, move to Cuba it's much closer and, I hear, they have the best health system in the world. It would be funny if there were not so many stupid people like yourself. Probably sitting home on a Govt' handout. Loser.
Posted 04:31 PM, 07/10/2008
chrissmith
Earth to Obama...Earth to Will...we have one of the worst public education systems in the world. It's propped up by the Democratic Party and the mediocrity of teachers unions. Our kids are barely learning English. I think we need to focus on the real basics: math, English, history before we even think of teaching Spanish.
Posted 04:31 PM, 07/10/2008
rockwell
English may be the international language, but go to most Spanish speaking countries (even Spain) and most people(regardless of socially standing or income) don't speak english at all. I don't have the facts to back this up, but I'm sure it's the second most used language in the world.
Posted 04:23 PM, 07/10/2008
legatus
"Another swing and miss for Will. Nice try to cover for another Obama mistake though..." Maybe, maye not. No one is talking about Jesse Jackson's "faux pas" (though it was probably staged), now are they?
Posted 04:19 PM, 07/10/2008
chrissmith
Another swing and miss for Will. Nice try to cover for another Obama mistake though...
Posted 04:12 PM, 07/10/2008
sillybilly
I heard Obama mumbling through a speech today and I have no clue what anybody sees in him. It certainly isn't what he says.
Posted 04:03 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"conservatives want the federal government to have less of a role in saying what is taught in schools. It is Liberals who insist on strict federal guidelines. You have it totally backwards." . . . . . . Bon, let me clue you in. Public education itself is a purely liberal concept, regardless of which branch of government is actually providing it. In fact, a strong federal government was originally a "conservative" concept, because without the regulation of interstate commerce and a national monetary system, the private business sector in the US would be seriously handicapped by artificial barriers between the states. Jefferson, the most liberal thinker of his time, happened to be an ardent anti-Federalist. It's only when the institution of slavery was threatened that States' Rights became the mantra of conservatives, later to be revisited during the Civil Rights era when segregation was threatened. In any event, don't assume that liberal vs. conservative ideologies can be reduced to the tension built into our federalist system between state and federal powers. Like health care, the debate is really about whether education is to be freely available to everyone or only the elite few who can afford it.
Posted 04:02 PM, 07/10/2008
Multi-Grain
Bon can't post anything that he can't cut and paste from any wingnut blog. It is clear that he can't defend or explain "his" positions on these matters. Typical of the wingnut trolls. Just proves Will point to a T. Conservatives hear something completely different. It's a mental disorder. Like the recession, apparently.
Posted 03:57 PM, 07/10/2008
Mr. Smith
TPS- What does it mean when Obama says "But....." after the magic quote with which you are enamored?
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Posted 03:49 PM, 07/10/2008
Naoquero
Read Obama's quote again. It's a fine example of deflecting the question. He spins it in to an education issue. Is it imperative that US schools the official US language which is English by the way? Sure offer foreign language ELECTIVES as early as possible but insist on English as the language in education. I entered this country at 6 years old and attended a Philadelphia public school within a week. All I could say was "thank you". It was rough but my family knew that when they got on the plane. We're going to America...they speak English there.
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Posted 03:36 PM, 07/10/2008
bon
Gibba Mang: More name calling. Good to see. When does the new era of new politics start, again?
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Posted 03:30 PM, 07/10/2008
Gibba Mang
What a bunch of crying babies the neococonuts have become. I'm embarrassed to call these people Americans.
Posted 03:28 PM, 07/10/2008
bon
Time after time I am really amazed that Obama supporters refuse to have a civil conversation. Thank you for reminding me not to expect too much of you, Politburo. MSL: Obama has been giving off an air of arrogance recently. His desire to speak at the Brandenburg Gate, his presidential seal, discussing remodeling the White House and, now, presuming to know what is best for everyone else's kids all feeds into that same impression.
Posted 03:19 PM, 07/10/2008
Politburo
keep twisting bon.. you'll manage to make sense by sheer luck eventually.
Posted 03:18 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"....but all it does it confirm the impression that Obama is a very, very arrogant man." . . . . . Bon, I should have seen your point earlier. I get it now. Obama is just too uppity, right?
Posted 03:17 PM, 07/10/2008
RedState
Wil, you sir are an idiot.
Posted 03:14 PM, 07/10/2008
Christine
I am a conservative who speaks four languages. This is probably the only thing Obama has ever said, in any language, that makes sense.
Posted 03:10 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
Legatus, maybe a remedial English lesson might help, don't you think?
Posted 03:04 PM, 07/10/2008
bon
MSL: Yes. The president has the power to influence federal education policy. He does not have the power to tell parents how to raise their kids. He is welcome to try, of course, but all it does it confirm the impression that Obama is a very, very arrogant man. ----- TPS: You seem to be missing my point and totally misunderstanding the conservative position on education. For the former look at my response above to MSL. As to the latter, conservatives want the federal government to have less of a role in saying what is taught in schools. It is Liberals who insist on strict federal guidelines. You have it totally backwards.
Posted 02:46 PM, 07/10/2008
Politburo
Isn't it amazing how GOPs can take the most plain statements and spin them into doublespeak?
Posted 02:45 PM, 07/10/2008
Politburo
"... told Montgomery County students yesterday that math and science are "cool subjects" and warned that the country would lose jobs overseas unless more funding is devoted to the disciplines. "It's important to understand, if children don't have those skill sets needed to compete with a child from India or a child from China, the new jobs will be going there," he said." -------- The very height of arrogance, right, bon?
Posted 02:44 PM, 07/10/2008
legatus
"What does Obama mean when he says the following?: 'Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that.'" It means, "Hey you 'pro English-only' people...VOTE FOR ME." When he goes on to make the Spanish comments, he is saying, "Hey you 'anti English-only' people....VOTE FOR ME." Pandering.
Posted 02:29 PM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
"Obama is telling parents what they should teach their kids and presuming to set their priorities for them. ....." --}}}} Good point, bon, because, you know, "conservatives" would never weigh in on what should and shouldn't be taught in schools. That would be the "height of arrogance."
Posted 02:23 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"The difference here is that Obama is not speaking to school boards, he is speaking to parents." . . . . . Oh, I see, it would be okay for Obama to bypass the parents altogether and speak only to school boards, but God forbid that he would talk directly to parents about educational priorities and encourage them to get involved. What planet are you from, bon?
Posted 02:21 PM, 07/10/2008
yobill626
What's the problem here? It makes sense for a business or a potential employee to promote learning a second language. There are neighborhoods in this city that even back in the 30's, 40's & '50's had corner grocery stores that let it be known that they could speak Polish or Italian --- & they would generate additional business from that knowledge. These are two different arguements: Yes, immigrants should learn English, so they can assimilate into the American culture, but it is in Americans's vested self interests to learn a 2nd language as well. Leave it to Conservatives to spend time arguing as to why they don't need to learn something...
Posted 02:14 PM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
"Does Obama listen to the teachers? Nearly every single one I talk to or hear from says student's inability to speak english is a HUGE problem....."---}}}} Ok, apparently this test is more difficult than I thought. Let's try it again, lastrepublican. What does Obama mean when he says the following?: "Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that."
Posted 02:12 PM, 07/10/2008
bon
MSL: I am not sure what NCLB has to do with this, but I'll go along with you change of subject. Conservatives have come to accept the department of education and a federal role in education. If the federal government wants to include some foreign language classes in their required curriculum I doubt anyone would protest. The difference here is that Obama is not speaking to school boards, he is speaking to parents. Obama is telling parents what they should teach their kids and presuming to set their priorities for them. That is the very height of arrogance.
Posted 02:08 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"Nearly every single one I talk to or hear from says student's inability to speak english is a HUGE problem." . . . . . . . . When I was in high school in the seventies, a foreign language was mandatory curriculum for college-bound students, as was English. We still somehow managed to speak good English when we graduated, and in many respects the foreign language training enhanced our comprehension of English. So, it's not clear to me what your point is. How do we fix that HUGE problem?
Posted 01:48 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"The reason why English is the preferred language is that it has been the language of business and commerce." . . . . . Who said it wasn't? I refer back to my earlier point, there was no law that made it so, it was the result of the dominance of English-speaking powers in world affairs. So, why do we need a law to preserve it? By demanding an "English only" law, you're essentially admitting that the influence of the English-speaking world is in decline.
Posted 01:39 PM, 07/10/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
Both Obama and Will are stupid. The reason why English is the preferred language is that it has been the language of business and commerce. Why do foreign companies want to know english? To communicate with their biggest clients. Quick fact to you know ALL communication for air traffic around the world is in ENGLISH!!! I guess most of you don't realize that was done to simplify things and reduce the number of plane crashes in the 70's. Does anyone know the size of western Europe? Can you imagine driving from Philadelphia to Florida and having to know 6 different languages. Does Obama listen to the teachers? Nearly every single one I talk to or hear from says student's inability to speak english is a HUGE problem.
Posted 01:35 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"Obama simply said a stupid thing. It is not his job to tell parents what their kids need to know." . . . . . . . . Hmmmm, that's not what our "education" president seems to think, who famously said that rarely is the question asked, is our children learning? So, bon, I take it that the No Child Left Behind farce is indeed a usurpation of power?
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Posted 12:47 PM, 07/10/2008
bon
If we need triples to win we are truly screwed. ----- Obama simply said a stupid thing. It is not his job to tell parents what their kids need to know. It is presumptuous and seriously over-stepping his bounds. That is the issue.
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Posted 12:03 PM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"At the same time, Obama is right--parents should push their children to learn a second language if for no other reason than to expand their minds and further their education." . . . . . . . . Aye aye, Cap'n. Xenophobic cultures soon go the way of the dodo, and one can't help but wonder if that's the problem with this country right now.
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Posted 11:40 AM, 07/10/2008
db_cooper
"Ah, db trots out his favorite answer: "but, you're a bigger one."" I've only mentioned Dodd for weeks, TPD, with no reaction from Will. I think a sweetheart Countrytime mortagage to a US Senator who is crafting a $200 billion mortage bailout (a bill with some language straight from BofA, which bought Countrytime) is a far more significant story politically than reaction to Obama saying kids should learn Spanish. That legislation will dump billions of dollars of subprime mortages onto US taxpayers. So Will is hardly in a position to lecture ANYONE about selective hearing.
Posted 11:39 AM, 07/10/2008
Politburo
Geno's wasn't sued.. and really that whole thing was blown way out of proportion. A city agency filed a complaint. A hearing was held. The complaint was dismissed. The system worked. I've found that in most cases, the so-called "examples of political correctness gone awry" are either hyperbolic descriptions of routine events, or the examples present one specific unusual situation as an epidemic.
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Posted 11:20 AM, 07/10/2008
Captain Awesome
"Wow, where did you get that strawman.. Who ever said anything remotely close to this?" Politburo, I didn't intend to build a strawman, although I guess I used hyperbole in my posting. My point was that parents should encourage their children to study other languages as part of their education. I also believe that English should be the official language of the country. People suing Joey Vento because he hung a sign saying people should order in English is political correctness gone awry.
Posted 11:15 AM, 07/10/2008
ocjones
Hey, you know, I think, you know, that learning to, you know, speak another language would be great, you know, but, wouldn't it, you know, be a good idea to learn to speak English first? You know what I mean?
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Posted 11:10 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
BTW, Xi Jah, coincidentally, the lunch lady position has just opened up. Send me your resume and I'll pass it on to the HR department.
Posted 11:08 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
Sorry, Xi Jah, you're still not qualified. As I explained before, the ability to formulate a cogent argument is a prerequisite skill.
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Posted 11:02 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
Ah, db trots out his favorite answer: "but, you're a bigger one."
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Posted 10:57 AM, 07/10/2008
db_cooper
You are a fine one to lecture conservatives about selective hearing. Since you're ripping Gary Larson, I'll steal his 'what cats hear' cartoon. News: "Chris Dodd got a sweetheart mortgage from Countrywide. He claimed he did not ask for special treatment, but later had to recant. And Barak Obama got a sweetheart mortgage from Northern Trust. He claimed no ties to Northern Trust, but it turns out he had received tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from NT employees." What Will hears: " "
Posted 10:56 AM, 07/10/2008
BigPapiChulo
Every school in America should require every student to learn at least one European language (Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, French, German, or Italian) and one non-European language (Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, Chinese, Japanese, or Swahili).
Posted 10:55 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
Sorry, mookie, you failed. Obama didn't say anything about Spanglish. But, being a good liberal, I'll allow you to have a re-take. Ok, let's try again. What does Obama mean when he says the following?: "Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that."
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Posted 10:50 AM, 07/10/2008
jmc
Obama needs to stop fretting about what Europeans think of us and get his mind on what's actually going on in America. Here, if I know only English, I am a thousand times more employable than someone who knows 10 languages and no English. Obama is also mistakenly assuming that immigrants just learn English as a given. If that were the case Senator, how come I have to choose English or Spanish when I call my bank or credit card company?
Posted 10:37 AM, 07/10/2008
Politburo
"this nonsense about how cheesesteak places should be staffed to take orders in any language is political correctness gone crazy." --- Wow, where did you get that strawman.. Who ever said anything remotely close to this?
Posted 10:33 AM, 07/10/2008
Fernando08
It's a global economy, there is job outsourcing due the fact that educated foreigners speak our language better than our red necked gone fishin ebonically equipped high school drop outs. And neo-crazy conservatives are worried about English or being told there is an opportunity that we can develop if we could talk to the other 93% of the world in a way that does not sound like blah blah blah terrorists, blah blah blah drop a bomb on them, blah blah blah I luv Texas.
Posted 10:31 AM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
I'm continually amazed how the fright wingers claim to worship free market ideals, but yet beleive it's the government's duty to control such fundamental aspects of life as language and sexuality. It required no offical edict for English to become the dominant lingua franca over the last century or two. It was simply that the political dominance of the British empire and post-WW2 United States made it a de facto reality. Yet, for some reason the frightwingers seem to think that only a law can keep it that way. I wonder why, hmmmmmm? Perhaps Obama should be advising our kids to start learning Mandarin Chinese.
Posted 10:31 AM, 07/10/2008
mookie
SLOTH.."Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that." .. he is saying that his beloved illegal aliens should learn enough spanglist to apply for all those free entitlement programs you libs love.. si se puedo..
Posted 10:25 AM, 07/10/2008
ET
Batkinson, I'm sorry did I say something that offended you? In the words of a favorite liberal of mine who happens to also be a civil rights leader "Why you be talken down to people I'd like to cut off your n*ts."
Posted 10:23 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
Yo, mookie. Did ya figure out the quote from Obama yet? What does Obama mean when he says this?: "Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that." C'mon mookie, I know you can do it.
Posted 10:18 AM, 07/10/2008
mookie
" WHAT JOURNALIST HEAR"// THE SOUND OF A BIG FLUSH//////// Hours after The New York Times Co. suffered the embarrassment of a third person scaling its Eighth Avenue headquarters in recent weeks, the company got pounded by Wall Street, which sent its shares tumbling when an analyst said its stock was pricey relative to its peers. The stock sank 7 percent, or $1.05, to $14.01 yesterday, near its lowest point in 10 years and 77 percent off its 52-week high of $24.76. The drubbing came after Lehman Brothers analyst Craig Huber slammed the Times' shares for being too expensive, compared with Gannett and McClatchy. Huber also ratcheted down his previous price target to $8 a share from $12 a share, due to the industry having deteriorated faster than he earlier predicted, adding, "We think the shares have significant further downside risk over the next year as the stock is the most expensive in the [newspaper] group, plus Street estimates remain way too high in our opinion." He urges the company, which is run by CEO Arthur "Pinch" Sulz berger Jr., to cut its dividend, claiming it should utilize the money to pare down the company's $1.05 billion debt.
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Posted 10:17 AM, 07/10/2008
E Plebnista
"And I don't want to have kids and put them through the Philly school system."...Amen brother, if TPS (the BWAAACK'r) is any indication of the quality of the teachers in the Philadelphia School System, I would run away too.
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Posted 10:08 AM, 07/10/2008
montani semper liberi
"A person living in America that doesn't speak English will be a poor American..." . . . . . . . Has anyone checked Dubya's net worth lately?
Posted 09:56 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
"""""fill it up with all those illegal aliens that obamamessiah so loves.. why should immigrants learn to speak english ......" ----}}}}} OK, this is a test. Let's see if any "conservatives" can figure out what this quote from Obama means: "Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that." ----}}}}
Posted 09:55 AM, 07/10/2008
winksjinx
Obama wants us to speak Spanish. He wants to set our themrostats. He wants us to ride bicycles to work instead of cars. Hmm, what do this sound like? Answer: EUROPEAN COUNTRIES! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
Posted 09:53 AM, 07/10/2008
Captain Awesome
I saw the article this morning about Philly's shrinking population. I'm too busy at work today to dig around, but I'm curious to see information about the population of the greater metro area; i.e., are people moving out to the burbs or are they moving to other parts of the country. Personally, I grew up in NJ but moved to NE Philly two years ago to be closer to my job (driving 45 miles each way was killing me). The neighborhood I'm in is safe, and I'm about two miles from the city limits, so my area is pretty suburban in terms of layout. Still, we're going to move next year. The wage tax is a joke. They are talking about charging people for trash collection as a way to encourage people to recycle, but I have never once seen a recycling truck in my neighborhood. And I don't want to have kids and put them through the Philly school system.
Posted 09:44 AM, 07/10/2008
legatus
"You know, it’s embarrassing when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say [is], ‘Merci beaucoup'." Since "all [Europeans] speak English", why do we need to worry about speaking their language when we go over to Europe....THEY ALL SPEAK ENGLISH!
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Posted 09:37 AM, 07/10/2008
mookie
BTW .. I thought that the Obamamessiah didn't like NAFTA 8 CAFTA.. si se puedo
Posted 09:35 AM, 07/10/2008
mookie
"""""Percentage wise, Philadelphia's loss of residents leads the nation.""""fill it up with all those illegal aliens that obamamessiah so loves.. why should immigrants learn to speak english ..
Posted 09:31 AM, 07/10/2008
stop2think
Immigrants will learn English, except for the largest bloc coming over, the Hispanics. Asians and Europeans have learned English and assimilate, but Hispanics are not. Why is that? I am so sick of liberal columnists lampooning conservatives. Perhaps, in your mind, conservatives are deaf regarding Obama's speech, but I say to you liberals are blind to what is going on around them. In 50 years we will not recognize this nation. It will be Balkanized. Go to Southern CA and see the Mexican flags hanging all over the place. It's bad enough illegals are allowed to stay in this country and get all the tax benefits a US citizen may receive; asking them to learn the language really isn't too much to ask, is it?
Posted 09:29 AM, 07/10/2008
ET
This is what liberals hear. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, conservatives suck, blah, blah, ...... There is nothing more close minded than an open minded liberal...
Posted 09:14 AM, 07/10/2008
Ramon
Well, maybe "have to" is too strong of a phrase, but it is definitely more of a necessity than in the US. I used the European example because that was the one cited in the quote from Barak. The real reason they all know English is because of all the tv and movies we send around the world (I'm only half kidding).
Posted 09:10 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
Obviously, Ramon, not all Europeans "have to" learn multiple languages to function in their daily lives. That's ridiculous. And it's not just Europe. Asians make a concerted effort to learn multiple languages also. Why? Because they place a high value on education and improving themselves.
Posted 09:03 AM, 07/10/2008
Ramon
Of course Europeans speak more than one language. They have to in order to be able to function in their daily lives. Think of it this way. If there were different languages in each state in the US (I'm not talking about regional slang, I'm talking honest to goodness languages) of course we would learn them. NJ people would speak Pennsylvanian and vice versa. Europeans do it out of neccessity, not because they are somehow superior people. And immigrants will learn English? Ever been to LA, NY, or Miami? Oh yeah, (insert sarcastic font)they all know English (end sarcastic font).
Posted 08:55 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
What's the term for someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual. What's the term for someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual. What's the term for someone who speaks one language? American.
Posted 08:53 AM, 07/10/2008
Talking point sleuth
I agree with Xi Jah. Americans should just insist that everyone speak English. Think of how much it will help with the "war on terror" when all those terrorists knuckle under and stat speaking English because Xi Jah thinks they should. It'll make tapping their phones, (without getting warrants, mind you), soooooo much easier.
Posted 08:52 AM, 07/10/2008
Captain Awesome
Dios mío! I think English SHOULD be the official language--this nonsense about how cheesesteak places should be staffed to take orders in any language is political correctness gone crazy. At the same time, Obama is right--parents should push their children to learn a second language if for no other reason than to expand their minds and further their education. Mrs. Awesome and I were in Punta Cana last month on vacation and met a lot of Europeans who were fluent in two or even three languages.
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Posted 08:46 AM, 07/10/2008
Fredclaims
Spanish is an international language but BOH should not have limited his example to it. How about Chinese or German or Japanese? I can speak 2 1/2 languages (English, Italian and Thai) and it a great advantage in my job with an international company. Capite, tutti?
Posted 08:42 AM, 07/10/2008
LJL
Any kind of push to expand the scope of education to make A-mur-i-cans bilingual drives cons apoplectic considering their stance on alternative lifestyles........But seriously folks.....
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