Undercover videos you won't see on Glenn Beck's show
New York City to gun shows in the far-flung American heartland: You're killing us, here.
Undercover videos you won't see on Glenn Beck's show
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"I see our biggest problem today being that no one speaks for the GOP which is allowing libz to claim our voice is Limbaugh, Beck, et al" I feel ya, Dog. The party in power misrepresenting the minority party. It's shameful, just shameful...— Hamlet
This story shouldn't really surprise anyone. I feel sorry for the gun sellers, really I do. They're just trying to make a buck. How dare the govmint have laws that impede sales. It's unamerican I tell you! So what if a few criminals get guns illegally and kill people with them. This is the USA! Capitalism is king!— James TL- MSL, BIRD11; That indeed would be good news. Somehow I think they will be drowned out by the noise makers but it's a possible step in the right direction.— James TL
- MSL, BIRD11; That indeed would be good news. Somehow I think they will be drowned out by the noise makers but it's a possible step in the right direction.— James TL
"Ron Reagan got some very sincere Repubs to call in and weigh in on who speaks for the GOP. Apparently they don't all tune into Rush, Beck etc., at least not the intelligent ones. Very encouraging." As a conservative, I see our biggest problem today being that no one speaks for the GOP which is allowing libz to claim our voice is Limbaugh, Beck, et al— bird11
Legatus, I'm still on Air America's e-mail list, fwiw, which I normally ignore, but (since we're on the topic) I checked the latest.... Ron Reagan got some very sincere Repubs to call in and weigh in on who speaks for the GOP. Apparently they don't all tune into Rush, Beck etc., at least not the intelligent ones. Very encouraging.- Legatus, I'm still on Air America's e-mail list, fwiw, which I normally ignore, but (since we're on the topic) I checked the latest.... Ron Reagan got some very sincere Repubs to call in and weigh in on who speaks for the GOP. Apparently they don't all tune into Rush, Beck etc., at least not the intelligent ones. Very encouraging.
- "Congratulations Mayor Bloomberg on your new low. Blogging alongside unrepetant domestic terrorist Bill Ayer at the Puffington Host. You stay classy dwarf boy." . . . . . Dwarf boy? Are we still in junior high school swifty?
- "I can only remember 2 people from Air America" I think Rachel Madcow is a third. Gee...I wonder why that Air America venture was so unsuccessful?— legatus
- "I'm not sure why you mention Garofolo" - I can only remember 2 people from Air America and I already mentioned A.F. once today - kind of a self-imposed limit.— bird11
- Hey TPS, let's rub their noses in this: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11452.html .......... That was $40 million bitter gun-clinging dollars well spent, eh? Hi Birdie.....I'm not sure why you mention Garofolo. Everyone who remembers her probably recalls that she was right about Iraq.
- " Like you never saw Burrell in a high leverage situation sticking out his rear and watching a fastball right down the heart of the plate".....of course he made outs in clutch situations but TPS if you know anything about hitting you know that the greatest hitters are those who fail the least - make an out only 7 out of 10 times and punch your ticket to Copperstown. Burrell played in 17 playoff games 4 HRs and 9 RBIs OBP over .380 - in Schimdts first 16 playoff games 0 HRs 5RBIs and an OBP about .250 And Schmidt is the greatest 3rd baseman to ever play the game.— bird11
- "Finally at least one GOP Senator showed enough cajones to speak out on Beck. That goes a long way toward dispelling the perception, don't you think?" MSL I think its a battle you can't win so why waste your time with it. Those guys get how many hours a day to blast away at you while they can turn everything you say into a sound bite. You don't think ever Dem agreed with everything Janeane Garofolo said on Air America? Right now it doesn't seem like the Dems can even agree with everything Obama says and he's the President.— bird11
- Ok, MSL is here. I can go now. Don't go easy on them, MSL. They like to be punished. (You know, that whole "conservative" "authority figure" complex.)— Talking point sleuth
- "That goes a long way toward dispelling the perception, don't you think?" No, because the perception is based on the assumption that people are idiots and think Beck speaks for the GOP.— RG
- Right. Like you never saw Burrell in a high leverage situation sticking out his rear and watching a fastball right down the heart of the plate - because he was looking for a walk instead of manning up (remind you of anyone here at Attytood, birdie?).— Talking point sleuth
- "I am always amazed at how people think everyone on the right is in lockstep w/ those guys." . . . . Finally at least one GOP Senator showed enough cajones to speak out on Beck. That goes a long way toward dispelling the perception, don't you think?
- Please, RG. --snip-- If lawmakers are guilty of tiptoeing around gun control issues, it is because the NRA and other gun rights groups wield an enormous amount of influence in Washington. The source of that influence is money. Gun rights groups have given more than $17 million in individual, PAC and soft money contributions to federal candidates and party committees since 1989. Nearly $15 million, or 85 percent of the total, has gone to Republicans. --snip-- The RNC (along with the ACLU) sued to overturn the contribution bans.— Talking point sleuth
- "Pat Burrell, late innings, runners on base." - I love the “choke” nonsense about Burrell. His two homers in the clinching game of the NLDS, his game winning home run off of Lowe in game one of the NLCS and his double that scored the winning run of the World Series clincher show how clutch he is. (And don't forget some of those classic showdowns w/ Billy Wagner either). You don't average 90+ RBI's a year in the show without some of them being meaningful - but we know how TPS likes his easy stereotypes.— bird11
- "You don't suppose it might have something to do with the NRA and the influence of all that money contributed to Republicans from the gun industry, do you?" Yes, its only going to Republicans. Who haven't controlled Congress since 2006. In general, lobbyists lobby who they think will win, regardless of political affiliation. Its why big business strated tossing money at Dems in the mid 2000s, they saw the writing on the wall.— RG
- BTW - RG, I'm just giving you a hard time. Obviously, the law needs to be changed so that background checks are also performed at gun shows. Apparently the majority of licensed gun owners would support such a law. Given that, I wonder why the law hasn't been changed. You don't suppose it might have something to do with the NRA and the influence of all that money contributed to Republicans from the gun industry, do you?— Talking point sleuth
- ---}}} How are they to know who would and wouldn't pass a test? {{{--- --snip-- Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check. --snip-- Hmmm. I'd say that the customer saying to them "I probably wouldn't pass a background check" equals "reason to suspect could not pass a background check." But maybe that's just me?— Talking point sleuth
- For the record - I am against people breaking the law regardless of political affiliation.— bird11
- Nice job, the Dems cicrcle around one of their corrupt own by refusign to remove Rangle from the Ethics Committee. Can't wait to ehar about how much good he did with other people's money. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33214909/ns/politics-capitol_hill/— RG
- "They stated to the sellers that they probably wouldn't pass background checks. The sellers laughed and said they didn't care." so the law states that sellers at shows can't seel to people who wouldn't pass background checks. How are they to know who would and wouldn't pass a test? Should they profile? Its not the sellers' fault that the law was s poorly writen to be nonenforcable.— RG
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- ---}}} TPS I hate to break the bad news to you {{{--- Fine, birdie. So then, where did you get that absolute garbage about Mojib Latif you laughably posted a few days back? Is it possible that you get your info from sources even less reliable than Hannity, Beck (who were exposed in the clip I posted)?— Talking point sleuth
- ...and (for the third time) he says that they should be arrested and prosecuted.— legatus
- ---}} Ddi the buyers have "I'm a criminal" signs on them? {{{--- More or less. They stated to the sellers that they probably wouldn't pass background checks. The sellers laughed and said they didn't care. Now just who wouldn't pass a background check, RG?— Talking point sleuth
- ---}}} what problem do you have with that line of reasoning? {{{--- Uh. Maybe this part? "This is about a loophole that allows individuals to sell guns that would end up being owned illegally. " No. It's about people selling guns illegally. It's about a high percentage of gun owners at guns shows who would illegally sell guns to people who couldn't pass background checks (you know, like criminals, mentally ill people, under-aged people, terrorists, straw purchasers, those kinds of people).— Talking point sleuth
- TPS I hate to break the bad news to you but if I spend 15 minutes a week listening/watching Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh/FoxNews these days it would be a lot. I am always amazed at how people think everyone on the right is in lockstep w/ those guys. Personally I can't stand Limbaugh probably the only time I ever agreed w/ Al Franken was on the title of his book. From the little I see or hear of Beck he has gone off the deep end - I did listen to him when I worked on the road a few years ago. Seems like Beck knows what it takes to boost his ratings - good for him, kinda like when you compliment Bunch for throwing out "red meat". In the end, I probably read more stuff linked by you then by all the "right-wing" media types - sorry to ruin your stereotype of me. (BTW my 15 minutes watching/listening to the above includes all the links posted by you and Bunch - without you guys I wouldn't even know Beck had a TV show on FoxNews).— bird11
- "Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check." Thats a poorly written law (shocking, I know). Ddi the buyers have "I'm a criminal" signs on them?— RG
- "They weren't 'exploiting a loophole,' legatus. They were breaking the law" Correct, and he said "If they are breaking the law, they should be arrested and prosecuted for it, and the loophole should be closed"...what problem do you have with that line of reasoning?— legatus
- ---}}} If the federal government were subsidizing these gun sellers with millions of tax dollars for the purpose of stealing elections you might have had a point Bunch. {{{--- = Pat Burrell, late innings, runners on base. Sure, it was illegal activity caught on tape, but, well, uh, oh yeah, ACORN STOLE ELECTIONS!!!!— Talking point sleuth
- If the federal government were subsidizing these gun sellers with millions of tax dollars for the purpose of stealing elections you might have had a point Bunch.— JerryCurlan
- "Except from the videos I watched, there was not actual illegal activity caught on the ACORN tapes....But it seems that on these tapes, illegal activity was filmed." First of all, the reason to have a trial is to determine if illegal activity was perpetrated. I think it is pretty obvious that in both cases there is probable cause. Secondly, I'm not sure that there was illegal activity actually filmed here inasmuch as the only time money is seen exchanging hands it was on a purchase where there was no reason so suspect that the buyer wouldn't pass a background check. (I admit, I may be wrong about that as I was multi-tasking while watching the video...not really paying much attention...and don't really want to watch it again.)— legatus
- They weren't "exploiting a loophole," legatus. They were breaking the law. --snip-- Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check. --snip-- So let's try that again, shall we?— Talking point sleuth
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- Oh and kudos, legatus. At least you stepped up to the plate. Let's see how many of your "conservative" buds at Attytood do likewise, and how many of them strike out with lame "it's a loophole" justifications. ARTs = Pat Burrell in the late innings with runners on base.— Talking point sleuth
- If the investigators didn't have the consent to videotape the gun sellers, then I guess the sellers should follow the ACORN example and sue the mayor. Btw, the legislation Bloomberg proposes is a no-brainer and should be passed asap.— pj katauskas
- Don't let the fact that pete317 went on to say, "If they are breaking the law, they should be arrested and prosecuted for it, and the loophole should be closed" stop you from ranting.— legatus
- ---}}} They should be tried in the courtroom next door to the one where the Acorn employees' case is being heard, right Tps? {{{--- Fine with me, legatus. Except from the videos I watched, there was not actual illegal activity caught on the ACORN tapes. Not to say that what was caught on the ACORN tapes wasn't despicable - because it was. But it seems that on these tapes, illegal activity was filmed. And it also seems that the tapes reflect that a very high percentage of gun sellers at gun shows would make similar illegal sales. Now it is interesting that the ACORN filmmakers never released any data on how many offices they were kicked out of. Just why would that be?— Talking point sleuth
- ---}}} This is about a loophole {{{--- LOL! Oh. It's about a loophole. I thought it was about GUN SELLERS, selling guns to people who they know WOULDN'T PASS BACKGROUND CHECKS, even though it is ILLEGAL for them to knowingly do so. My bad. And I thought it was about ILLEGAL ACTIVITY caught on tape (which for the most part, was NOT THE CASE in the ACORN videos). I thought it was about the sale of guns at gun shows, with the NRA, which makes millions in political contributions, lobbies to protect. I didn't realize that in reality, it was about a loophole. You fellas crack me up.— Talking point sleuth
- The "Fred" videos are more interesting than this.— WWTDD
- I agree RG. Much like laws which prohibit printing libelous material are not an infringement on freedom of the press, there should be some common sense regulations applied to the right to bear arms. Closing the gun show loophole is common sense. One more thing, Tps is finally correct about something...those guys who were stung by this undercover report should be arrested and prosecuted. They should be tried in the courtroom next door to the one where the Acorn employees' case is being heard, right Tps?— legatus
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- TPS, you are a fool and you seem to be getting dumber by the day. It looks like Manny made you really mad too, which explains your childish response. This is not the same as an organization that receives government money involved in deliberate highly criminal activities. This is about a loophole that allows individuals to sell guns that would end up being owned illegally. These are individual people, not representing a single, government funded organization, exploiting a loophole, and in some cases, breaking the law. If they are breaking the law, they should be arrested and prosecuted for it, and the loophole should be closed. Even pro-gun politicians would agree with that; they just wouldn't want to ban all gun ownership in any form because this has happened. You see, conservatives agree that when someone does something wrong, they should pay the price. You and your liberal ilk will go out of your way to distort facts and logic to defend criminals simply because they belong to the same political alignment as you, sometimes going as far as to defend people who provide advice on how to set up a CHILD PROSTITUTION RING. You are a sheep, blinded from truth and logic because of your religious-like belief in liberalism. And when someone makes a good argument against you, instead of reflecting on the argument, you have a knee jerk reaction and retort with a childish response filled with insults and mockery (and many times, they don't even really make sense). Please, do us all a favor, and smash your keyboard so that you don't have to keep embarrassing yourself.— pete317
- As one who is against many gov regs and rules, I'd agree with Bloomberg here. Owning a gun is a right, but one that I'd say is contingent on a clean background check.— RG
- ---}}} Pretty interesting how THIS on-video undercover expose IS being reported on by the mainstream press, {{{--- LOL! ACORN videos on Fox News 24/7. On Hannity, 24/7/ Beck, 24/7. O'Reilly, 24/7. Limbaugh, 24/7. Illegal sales of guns video on.......uh.........um....... ATTYTOOD!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAACCKKKK!!! Run for your lives! BWAAAAAAAAAACCKKKK!!! It's a vast left-wing media conspiracy. BWAAAAAAAAAACCKKKK!!! The whole "MSM" are a bunch of lefty/commmie/socialist/Marxist/illegal immigrant loving/terrorist-supporting/homos. BWAAAAAAAAAACCKKKK!!! And remember. Fox, Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Savage, Medved, Ingraham, Bennett, Miller, Gallager, Hewitt, etc. ARE NOT MAINSTREAM MEDIA. BWAAAAAAAAAACCKKKK!!! They are media. And they are mainstream. BUT THEY ARE NOT MAINSTREAM MEDIA. BWAAAAAAAAAACCKKKK!!! Save the women and children.— Talking point sleuth
Pretty interesting how THIS on-video undercover expose IS being reported on by the mainstream press, as opposed to ANOTHER on-video undercover expose that came out a few weeks ago...- Comment removed.
Seems as if the left is looking for their own ACORN story. If the libs had anyone on radio or TV that people actually pay attention to, this story might make some headway.— jmc- Comment removed.
- Since handguns are used in the majority of gun related crimess, all states have laws on the books regarding background checks and the purchase of handguns. I don't think there is a law on the books for rifles and shotguns. Odd that the examples shown were for the purchase of a rifle. If it was a handgun I would be sold on the story. By the way.. What's worse, not doing a background check or promoting child prostitution? For once ACORN gets my vote.— Norton
- Hey birdie, - check it out. A clip that does a nice job of explaining how the lunatics you get your news from take distorted representations of facts and run with it - thereby deceiving gullible folks such as yourself. You remember, don't you - when you came on these threads with that baloney about Mojib Latif changing his mind about AGW? You remember, don't you, when you said something to the effect of that libz called Latif an "expert" when he found AGW probably but when he "changed his mind" (LOL!) we suddenly denounced his expertise? LOL! Check out just how wrong you and your "conservative" buddies were, birdie. Seriously, bro, I don't think that AGW is 100% proven, but when you keep trotting this garbage out there, you just wind up looking foolish. You really should try getting your information from credible sources, bro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khikoh3sJg8&feature=player_embedded#— Talking point sleuth
- Wow, Will. That undercover investigation of criminal activity in a politically connected industry is positively going viral. Hannity, O'Reily, Limbaugh can't stop talking about it. There's a new website - biglunatics.com dedicated to this issue. Fox News is all over it (you know, being all "fair and balanced" and all). One headline after another at the Fox website. I've never seen anything like it. Well, at least since O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox News, etc., all went berserk when it came out that Glenn Beck has openly stated that his life has been inspired by the rantings of a racist lunatic. Man, they just tore Glenn Beck up on that one.— Talking point sleuth
- Book it.— Talking point sleuth
- Say, Will - is that a video of some undercover investigator finding members of a politically connected industry (politically connected to the Republicans, that is) engaged in actual criminal activity? Wow! All those folks so upset about ACORN are really, really going to be upset about this clip. I mean, those folks in the clip are actually doing something illegal. Why those "outraged" "conservatives," so freaked out about ACORN, filling up thread after thread about the ACORN "outrage," are going to be positively filling up the tons of threads on this issue. I'm sure. Yeah. Uh huh. Right. That's going to happen. Yup. No doubt. For sure.— Talking point sleuth
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