Two great Americans, face to face
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Two great Americans, face to face
If for some reason you care about the presidential debates (or the U.S. World Cup qualifier against Guatemala), then follow me on the Twitter machine tonight and purchase the bark of dead trees at your local Wawa tomorrow.
But if you want a more interesting encounter between two great Americans at the top of their game, watch this video (via the great Greg Mitchell) of when Patti Smith went up against Mike Douglas here in Philly in '78:
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We've been told 1.... times in the last four years by the right wing, that oil production has gone down. Then that has been edited to suggesting oil production --- on public lands -- has gone down. Here's the question. Do you think its true? Here's the follow-up question: How long do you think it will take to find the data?— Murrayman- TPS:
"Unemployment & Jobs
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the unemployment rate for January 2009, the month the president took office, was 7.8 percent. And that’s exactly where it stood in September 2012, too. But the more than three-and-a-half years in between have been a wild and painful ride.
The jobless rate was soaring when Obama took the oath of office. It had been as low as 4.9 percent in 2008, and it continued rising to a peak of 10 percent only nine months after he began his term. From there it took nearly two years to drift down to below 9 percent, and it remained above 8 percent until an unexpected drop of 0.3 percent in September.
The country was bleeding jobs at a rate not seen since the Great Depression — 818,000 jobs lost in January 2009 alone. (All before he took office on the 20th — the BLS measures payrolls as of the week containing the 12th day of the month.) All told, the economy had lost nearly 4.5 million jobs in the year before Obama became president, and it lost another 4.3 million before hitting bottom a year later, in February 2010.
Since then, the economy has slowly regained all the jobs lost, plus a few more. The BLS announced Sept. 27 that its routine annual benchmarking process would be adding about 386,000 jobs to the official figures for March 2012. That’s a preliminary figure, and the figures for March and all other months won’t be officially updated until after the election. But the final figures don’t vary much from the preliminary estimates. When that 386,000 is added to the historical figures, they show a net gain of 325,000 jobs between January 2009 and September 2012" FACTCHECK.org— Fisher - I loved Patti Smith's music. I especially liked her work when she was in the band Scandel. The Warrior was one of the best representations of her work.— Phishface
- So Fisher, you are saying that the horizontal "job growth" is the slowest that has ever been seen in the history of this country rebounding from a recession?— Mr. Smith
- "I loved Patti Smith's music. I especially liked her work when she was in the band Scandel. The Warrior was one of the best representations of her work."
Hey everybody, Phishface is begging you to call him an idiot. Throw the brother a bone...— Hamlet - Why do women working in the Obama White House make 18% on average less than their male counterparts?
#ObamaWarOnWomen— Mr. Smith - Smith, Both Candidates and the media lie. TPS foolishly believes a lot of them. To be a strong economy, 160k jobs are needed per month! not 325k per president. Obama hasnt focused on our wallets, but has the focus on class warfare. Blame the rich for your ills is his motto. It just doesnt make a stronger nation.— Fisher
- --snip--
But over the past 25 years, payroll jobs have grown at an annualized rate of 1.1 percent, or the equivalent of about 125,000 jobs added per month given today’s population. By this measure, it’s been a fairly average economic year, although certainly not enough to make up for the productivity that was lost from the economy in 2008 and 2009.
The rate of jobs growth is now just slightly behind the one that was enough to re-elect George W. Bush in 2004, when an average of 168,000 jobs were created between January and September 2004.
[...]
The decline in unemployment under Mr. Obama this year since December is the largest in an election year since Ronald Reagan’s re-election bid, when it declined to 7.3 percent in Sept. 1984 from 8.3 percent in Dec. 1983.
[...]
--snip--— Talking point sleuth - TPS- what's the average job growth over the three years following a recession?
It's closer to 5%.
This "recovery" is historically anemic.— Mr. Smith - Here we have Mr. Smith, prepared to tell us how recessions following financial collapses are the same as all other types of recessions, and their causes. Go ahead, Mr. Smith, educate us on this idea of equating all recessions, due to being called recessions. So here we have a right winger, who on one hand wants to complains on the one hand that debt is higher, and then on the other complains on the other when tax cuts, as part of the ARRA bill, and the payroll tax cut deal, are shown to work very well. In other words, no real solutions are offered, you complain endlessly to play partisan politics, and you argue that the supply side tax cut plan offered by Romney will be adequate.— Murrayman
- Thanks Murray, for rising to the defense of TPS and his moronic statistic. It puts you firmly in the dope sycophant category with your bud.— Mr. Smith
- Gee, what a response, Smith, where do I start? So again, we have an example of the latest right wing meme: Agree with our special insight, or your a sycophant.— Murrayman
- Come on, Murrayman, if you had to argue your side's economic plan and it was the thoroughly discredited supply-side economics (talk about a sycophant) how would you do it?— Hamlet
- Hamlet, I would completely ignore baseline estimating. For instance, the ever-popular notion is that Reagan cut taxes, and therefore revenue to the government increased. That's the way I would present it, devoid of any recognition of the baseline (in the absence of the tax cuts, what would revenue have been?). Then, when my political opponent noted that I was not recognizing any baseline estimate, I would say, "well, you have your studies, I have mine". Then I would appeal to the Heritage, showing that, well, baseline estimates is just an estimate, whereas my plan is real. So then I would repeat, ad nauseum: I cut taxes, and revenue went up in subsequent periods, ignoring the fact that in the absence of the tax cuts, the revenue in those periods would be even greater.— Murrayman
- See, Mr. Smith, that's how you argue the indefensible...
BTW, since we are talking about GOP lies, Obama had a filibuster-proof senate for a whopping *five months*. How many Republican filibusters have there been in the time of Obama? 360, a new record. But he managed to save the economy and pass the Affordable Care Act. GOPers, you have ZERO to run on!
— Hamlet
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