The president pushing his controversial policies in a speech to America's schoolchildren
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The president pushing his controversial policies in a speech to America's schoolchildren
Here's some information about the president's 15-minute televised speech to America's schoolchildren, piped into classrooms and auditoriums from coast-to-coast. The speech notes...
that saying no to drugs ''won't make you a nerd.''
''Presidents don't often get the chance to talk directly to students,'' he said. ''So today, for each of you sitting in a classroom or assembly hall, this message goes straight to you.
''Most of you are doing the right thing. But for those of you who let drugs make their decisions for them, you can almost hear the doors slamming shut.''
Equating drugs with death and displaying the badge of a slain 22-year-old rookie policeman, the president said, ''I keep this badge in a drawer in my desk to remind me of that.''*
You guessed it: That's what President George H. W. Bush told America's school kids when he "indoctrinated" them back in 1989. I'm not sure who could object to something like that. I do think it's worth noting that "the war on drugs" was a major policy initiative of Bush 41 and something that he and his advisors clearly thought was good politics as well. While few rational people would object to urging kids not to do drugs, the broader policies of the drug war -- billions spent to unsuccessfully tamp down the supply and too little to reduce demand other than building new costly prison cells -- are controversial and arguably "failed policies," at least much more than a president like Obama merely asking kids to "work hard."
* Note: Two references to "Mr. Bush" in the 1989 original article were changed by me to "he" and "the president" to maintain the element of surprise, if there was one.
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Here's the difference: Bush told kids to stay away from drugs to benefit them. Obama's going to tell junior to run home and tell mommy and daddy about healthcare for him, in order to save his unmitigated disaster of a plan that nobody wants. He's playing play the "out of the mouths of babes" card because he, like most liberals, think people are stupid. I can hear ABBA singing "Waterloo" now.— jmc- Comment removed.
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Of course he can't lecture them about drugs, he, and the two presidents prior to him, admitted to using them.— RG- Here's the difference for you Will, keeping kids off of drugs is something that just about everyone can get behind. An issue that gets 100% support, just like telling kids to stay active and eat healthy. Single payer government healthcare is an issue that is an issue that maybe has 30% support, and I am being generous with that number. This is obviously an attempt to indoctrinate kids to one side of the political spectrum without offering the argument for the other side. I think you understand all of this, but you are blinded by your liberal religion and will follow your leaders like a lemming completely ignoring logic and common sense. If you cannot comprehend it, then you are just a dope, and I apologize for troubling your tiny little mind.— pete317
- At least 2 commenters seem to think Obama will be or at least planned to talk about healthcare. Not sure where that info traces back to, but it's not in any way factual.— will
- Dopey Obama sat on a wall, dopey Obama had a great fall. All the kings bloggers and all the kings yes men, couldn't put him back together again. NOTE: once you lose the seasoned citizens, it's all over!!!!!!— WriteWinger
- PS.- THANKS SARAH!!!!!!!!!!!— WriteWinger
- Will, you have to admit, the president asking how they can help Obama (not the country) was meant to give an opening to the teacher to discuss what Obama needs help with. Subtle, but there is enough liberal bent in the schools without this. What really bothers me is that if you read Saul Alinski's (sp?) book Rules for Radicals, he stresses the importance of indoctrinating the youth to make them more pliable for the revolution he was seeking. With almost everything Obama is doing that mirrors Alinski's book, is it a stretch to assume that this is what he is trying to do?— chrisrr
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- Stick to what you do best, batty; attacking Bunch— Some Boca Dude
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- We have all of this hyperbole and reaction to... a speech that hasn't even happened yet. The Hate Americans Firsters try to extend their Baracknaphobic campaign to the innocent children of America with their deranged lunatic spin. The President of the United States. Speaking to schoolchildren. Bothers them. When will the madness end?— E.Plebnista
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- Someone please post a link to what Obama plans to say to school kids. Honestly, I remember seeing a lot of movies in school and none have made me a socialist or a communist or a fascist. They made me want recess. Calm down old people. Focus on keeping neighbors off your lawn.— jreese
- Guess the brain trust working for the president needs help with ideas judging by the tripe coming out of the WH and asking K-6 graders for ways to help him. Two references were changed to "the president" and "him" for affect.— junethe4th
- I'm at a (dis)advantage here because I work in education and got Sec. Duncan’s email about the President's address. And I can tell you that neither I nor any one else at the school thought the "how you can help the President" had ANYTHING to do with health care, cap and trade, socialism, reparations, Islam, apologizing for America or using a teleprompter. We all agreed it had to do with "helping the President to get American school students to value and take responsibility for their education. Sheesh, this really must be silly season.— GreyHippie
- The President of the United States. Speaking to schoolchildren. Bothers them. When will the madness end?....it's only just begun but give them time and they will remind all of us all why we voted for Obama.— chasing history
- Will you suffer from the same menatl disorder that most left wing kooks do...selective hearing...why don't you mention the assignments that the presiednt wants the kids to work on ..like what can do to help president Obama achieve his goal...thats not to mention the fact that the constitution specifically assigns educating our kids to the states...so the federal government should not be mandating or instructing or encouraging the kids to do anything...I know for you leftys that facts seem to get in the way of right and wrong and policy— phillysmart
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- "So why are Dear Leader's political aides working with the Dept of Education on "lesson plans" to follow up the speech?" billa, Sec. Duncan's letter said the lesson plan suggestions were developed by Teaching Ambassador Fellows which are full-time teachers from around the country who get a stipend to advise the Dept. of Ed.— GreyHippie
- Hey Wilbur: what are you going to do "when they come for you?" - Philly newspapers try to rally public support Sep 3 01:34 PM US/Eastern By MARYCLAIRE DALE Associated Press Writer Comments (4)Email to a friend Share on Facebook Tweet this PHILADELPHIA (AP) - The owners of Philadelphia's two daily newspapers are trying to rally support for local ownership as they fight creditors for control of the company. But creditors object to the "Keep It Local!" publicity blitz and want a bankruptcy judge to shut it down. They say it amounts to scare tactics designed to stop outsiders from bidding on Philadelphia Newspapers at next month's scheduled auction. The parties have fought bitterly since the owners of The Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia Daily News and the Philly.com Web site sought bankruptcy protection in February, citing $400 million in debt. A group of current and new investors hopes to win the auction with a bid that pays creditors about 22 cents on the dollar.— WriteWinger
- Hey grey hippie...good spin but there is a subtle difference which is hugely significant ...if it said help America no problem...but getting children to endorse the presidents policy is a bit differnt albeit nuanced...but isn't that the specialty of the libs and left radicals nuances...people aren't stupid read my last post ...study government and history and how our government shares power between 3 branches...are you that naive , stupid or do you think everyone else is— phillysmart
- Can he speak on why Xe's (nee Blackwater) contract was extended? http://atlanticwire.theatlantic.com/read-more.php?id=919 I thought the previous admin's policies were bad?— RG
- "but getting children to endorse the presidents policy" But that's not what the speech, or Sec. Duncan's email or the suggested lesson plans does. It asks to students to think about the Presidents message, how it applies to them and how they can respond to the President’s challenge to become more responsible for their schooling. That's it - no more, no less. As for this statement "so the federal government should not be mandating or instructing or encouraging the kids to do anything" you're about 25 years too late. You have heard of No Child Left Behind? It's full of mandates, instructions, benchmarks, incentives and other directives to local school boards.— GreyHippie
- Let's review the last 8 months- unemployment doubled. Foreclosures up. Inflation ready to sky rocket. More homes under water. Obama's Vietnam had record casualties in August. Foreign policy in disarray.(is Hillary the real Sec. of State, or is it the Bills? (Richardson and Clinton). Hussein's approval rating tanking. Speaker of House Nasty Pel-LOSER and soon to be retired by Nevada voters Senate Majority "leader" Harry Reid-tard going rogue with Hussein's policy wishes (more radical than HE wanted). I mean, it can't get any better than this if it were on Broadway. A true carousel of incompetence.— WriteWinger
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- "And soon to be retired by Nevada voters Senate Majority "leader" Harry Reid-tard" Well, if we're kicking Harry while he's down, how about this piece of elgislative awesomeness! A bill toestablish a welcome committe for foreign tourists, mostly paid for by taxing said tourists. Brilliant. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTRmOTkwYTA3MjJlN2VhYzM5NGJjOGU3OGYyOTc4OTU=— RG
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I still don't see the big deal, especially about the speech. I just can't object to the President taking a few minutes to emphasize to the nation's school children the importance of education. I can see where the lesson plan could be interpreted as a little strange but I just attribute that to the narcissistic behavior of this administration. Obama's staff at times truly does treat him like the second coming. Again I am much more concerned about the left leaning teachers (like GreyHippie) taking this event to further push their politics on children but that is a concern with or without the President's speech. And don't forget the usual failed logic of the left. They really think they can win the hearts and minds of America's youth by having Obama give them homework.— bird11- Well, gee willikers! Lookie here! (via HotAir.com) As one of the preparatory materials for teachers provided by the Department of Education, students had been asked to, “Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. “ Today, after Republicans accused the White House of trying to indoctrinate school children with liberal propaganda the White House and the Department of Education changed the section to now read, “Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short‐term and long‐term education goals.” “We changed it to clarify the language so the intent is clear,” said White House Spokesman Tommy Vietor… http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/02/wh-deletes-line-about-schoolkids-helping-obama-from-speech-prep-materials/ Ohhhhhh, THAT's what they meant...Maybe it was just a typo! LOL!— Ellsworth
- Gee, lookie here at who put together the speech guidelines! (Via michellemalkin.com) "The school guides now featured front and center on the www.ed.gov website were developed by the White House Teaching Fellows — a group which includes several activist educators..." "Obama’s White House Teaching Fellows include Chicago high school educator Xian Barrett, a fierce opponent of charter schools who founded a “Social Justice Club” and bussed students to protests and Michelle Bissonette, a Los Altos, Calif., teacher who is “focused on developing my leadership as a more culturally and racially conscious educator.”— Ellsworth
- Clearly, Obama is a Marxist, socialist, terror-loving, America-hating, racist, empty suit. Imagine that, telling students to not use drugs.— Talking point sleuth
- "Again I am much more concerned about the left leaning teachers (like GreyHippie) taking this event to further push their politics on children" Fear not, bird11, my students are CSE adolescents - if I tried to push anything, they'd push back or do the exact opposite— GreyHippie
- Oh, and let's not forget - the instructions from the White House were also to have students contemplate how to help the president of the United States. Only a socialist could possibly think that helping the president of the United States isn't providing help to terrorists. As Rush made abundantly clear, hoping that the president fails is what patriotism is truly about. Thank god that our beloved ARTs will never say die in their self-sacrificing crusade to save our country. You guys are hilarious.— Talking point sleuth
A health care town hall dissidrnt said it best the other day. "Stay away from our kids".— ocjones- E. Pleb, again your sense of history and math is off. In order to have hated America first, the current group of malcontents would have needed to be angry when W got into office, which they clearly weren't. In fact, if you take it back to the beginning of the country, liberals argued against going to war with England and pleaded for no war at any cost. The President certainly has a right to broadcast messages directly to students, but I would question the wisdom of doing so. Our students pay little enough attention in school today -- the last thing they need is a politicking clown to try to give them inspirational messages when they should be studying. Save the inspiration for 7pm.— IggleFan68
- "Oh, and let's not forget - the instructions from the White House were also to have students contemplate how to help the president of the United States." Geez, thats easy, they can start reporting their allowance to the IRS so the tax base can be expanded.— RG
- ---}}} Geez, thats easy, they can start reporting their allowance to the IRS so the tax base can be expanded. {{{--- Good point, RG. Because clearly that's what Obama intended to do before our self-sacrificing, patriotic, the beloved right-wing, lunatic fringe "conservatives" blew up his devious conspiracy to brainwash children.— Talking point sleuth
WriteWinger, every issue you listed in your review of the last 8 months was INHERITED. How did your 401(k) look just before the election? And how does it look now? Is it any better?— one_eyed_jack- Comment removed.
- ---}}} the last thing they need is a politicking clown to try to give them inspirational messages when they should be studying.{{{--- Good point, Iggy. Clearly, it is far better for our children to listen to right wing talk radio where the president of the United States, elected by the majority of voters, is trashed roundly on a nonstop basis. I mean if you want to inspire kids to greatness, that is obviously the way to go. Especially the black kids. What better way to improve attitudes about education among black kids than to scream at them endlessly about how the first black president is a socialist, Marxist, terror-loving, America hating, racist, empty suit? Thank God the "great Americans" among us, like Sean Hannity, have the intestinal fortitude and courage to engage the battle.— Talking point sleuth
- TPS - you have to admit that the wording of the questions was strange. The same assignment substituting Country, community, school, neighborhood, almost any word that should natural flow from the tongue of a community organizer would have a better connotation than what can i do to help the president.— bird11
- "TPS - you have to admit that the wording of the questions was strange." Strange enough for them to change it when they were called out for it.— RG
- "I mean if you want to inspire kids to greatness, that is obviously the way to go." Is inspiration an externality captured in your full cost accounting methods?— RG
- The wording was strange? That kids should consider how to help the leader of the country? How's that? It is amazing that so many "conservatives" apparently define "helping the president" as rolling over like dogs and accepting his furthering his ideology like sheeple. In the world where I live, helping someone includes engaging them about their ideas, and convincing them when they are mistaken about something. In the world where I live, helping an American leader means advancing causes such as reducing poverty, increasing educational excellence, promoting our interests internationally. I guess it all goes back to that whole "conservative" authority complex, eh birdie?— Talking point sleuth
- ---}}} Is inspiration an externality captured in your full cost accounting methods? {{{--- I guess you're still smarting about your inability to present a cogent argument on those issues, eh RG? Especially after you attempted to "school" me on the meaning of externalities, and were rather spectacularly wrong?— Talking point sleuth
- "Especially after you attempted to "school" me on the meaning of externalities, and were rather spectacularly wrong?" Only in your fantastically hubristic world in which you can attach exact dollar costs on things such as highway noise for all affected people.— RG
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- "That kids should consider how to help the leader of the country?" He's our employee, not vice versa. "In the world where I live, helping an American leader means advancing causes such as reducing poverty, increasing educational excellence, promoting our interests internationally." This is obvioulsy a world separate from the Constitution. In reality, helping the president accomplish this means making oneslef subserviant to the state.— RG
- ---}}} Only in your fantastically hubristic world in which you can attach exact dollar costs on things such as highway noise for all affected people. {{{--- Perhaps that's why I never attempted to do so? Or said that anyone should? I only said that attempts should be made to approach quantifying the degree to which those issue shave a cost to society. But perhaps you're right, RG. Because an "exact dollar" amount can't be determined, issues such as pollution caused by exhaust, the impact of suburban sprawl, deaths from automobile accidents, the politics involved in keeping the flow of foreign oil should just be completely ignored. The fact remains, RG, you claimed that such issues aren't "externalities," which betrayed an ignorance of a very basic concept in economic theory.— Talking point sleuth
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- ---}}} In reality, helping the president accomplish this means making oneslef subserviant to the state. {{{--- Helping the president address social problems means making oneself subserviant to the state? All I can say to that, RG, is wow! Libertarians unite.— Talking point sleuth
- "Perhaps that's why I never attempted to do so? Or said that anyone should? " You said they were captured in full cost accounting. The economists who try to factor this in are fairly ignorant to the simple fact that there is no possible way they can account for each individuals preferences, choices, etc. and aggregate that info.— RG
- Why did you bit that guys finger off commi?— Living_Legend
- "Helping the president address social problems means making oneself subserviant to the state?" When the state does so via forced taxation, I'd say so. No to mention the odd reliance on an elected few (and nowadays only those who fit yoru idealogical spectrum) with the magical powers of office and title to cure societies ills.— RG
- ----}}} The economists who try to factor this in are fairly ignorant to the simple fact that there is no possible way they can account for each individuals preferences, choices, etc. and aggregate that info.{{{--- Please, RG. That's just flat out wrong. Economists who try to consider the costs and benefits of externalities are well aware of how difficult is may be to do so, depending on the complexity of the phenomena being analyzed. Any decent "real world" businessman similarly attempts to account for externalities as much as possible, even when doing so presents difficulties and cannot be reduced to an exact formula, and any decent set of social policies does the same. When you need to twist my words, RG (i.e., claim that I said that an "exact dollar" amount can be fixed), it indicates that you know that your argument is absurd.— Talking point sleuth
- "In the world where I live, helping someone includes engaging them about their ideas, and convincing them when they are mistaken about something" And if the one in a position of power stubbornly clings to his mistaken ideas, you are left hoping that he fails, in order that his poor judgment doesn't do irreparable harm. Thanks for the lesson in patriotism, Rush.— legatus
- ---}}} When the state does so via forced taxation, I'd say so. {{{--- That's fine, RG. When you find that perfect country, where life is good without anyone forking over money to pay for it, please do let me know. In the meantime, I'll be content to hang here in the good ol' USA, an imperfect place where I can give up some of my discretionary income to have my trash picked up, to pay the police who protect me, to pay the teachers of my communities children, etc.— Talking point sleuth
- ---}}} No to mention the odd reliance on an elected few (and nowadays only those who fit yoru idealogical spectrum) with the magical powers of office and title to cure societies ills.{{{--- Another odd straw man, RG. I don't know who you've been talking to, but I've never met anyone who believes that our government has "magical powers" to cure society's ills. I certainly don't feel that way, and people I talk to are highly skeptical about our government, but prefer it to an alternative where there is no central organizing societal structure.— Talking point sleuth
- "imperfect place where I can give up some of my discretionary income to have my trash picked up, to pay the police who protect me, to pay the teachers of my communities children, etc." And where its darned near impossible to get any of those people fired for incompetence due to their politcial influence. And you get the privilege of paying for their insane pensions that are helping crush state and local budgets. Google the Rubber Room and NYC and enjoy.— RG
- ---}}} And if the one in a position of power stubbornly clings to his mistaken ideas, you are left hoping that he fails, in order that his poor judgment doesn't do irreparable harm. {{{--- LOL! Pretty ironic given that this thread is full of "conservatives" whining about the Obama administration's change in their rhetoric in response to criticism. Uh oh, did I use the word "ironic" correctly - I wouldn't want a grammar nanny to come after me.— Talking point sleuth
- "I certainly don't feel that way, and people I talk to are highly skeptical about our government, but prefer it to an alternative where there is no central organizing societal structure." Then why did you sa earleir that in the world you live in, the president's goals are to reduce pverty, promote our global standing, etc. these are not powers granted to him. Gov power has expanded greatly and people like yourself seem to want to push their mandates further, while claiming to be "skeptical".— RG
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- "Pretty ironic given that this thread is full of "conservatives" whining about the Obama administration's change in their rhetoric in response to criticism" LOL! So you're saying that you agree with Rush, inasmuch as one hopes that he succeeds when he doesn't stubbornly cling to his mistaken ideas, and fails when he does so. Hypothetical: During his speech to the students, Obama declares that by executive order students should feel free to pray aloud in school, coaches should lead the football team in prayer before the game, and freedom of religion means that students should be allowed to openly proselytize on school property. Do you hope his initiative fails?— legatus
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- ---}}} Do you hope his initiative fails? {{{--- As a point of semantics, I can hope that his initiative fails, as opposed to saying that I hope that he fails. That is a distinction which Rush deliberately obfuscated - because he knew that by doing so he could use plausible deniability, and thereby turn his statements into a ratings boost. It also depends on how you define his "initiative." I would assume that by "his initiative" you are trying to pin me down as to whether I would support prayer in schools. I'd need more context than you provide to answer the question. But I would assume that Obama's initiative was to improve the conditions of the country. As such, I wouldn't want his "initiative" to fail, although I wouldn't support school prayer in certain situations.— Talking point sleuth
- Sorry, RG. I consider promoting the reduction of poverty and enhancing our foreign standing as falling under the rubric of public welfare and national security. I'm just made up that way. Anyway, I'm outta here. Tata.— Talking point sleuth
- BWAHAHAHA!! Sorry Tps, but you REALLY outdid yourself that time. I never saw anyone get so twisted up in his own shorts. Kudos.— legatus
- bryanc, it is ok for anyone to complain about anything they want. That's what these forums are for right? But when writewinger says "Let's review the last 8 months" and then lists all the things that Obama inherited, who is he complaining about?— one_eyed_jack
- TPS -- I didn't say schoolchildren should be listening to wildly successful conservative talk radio, I said they should be studying (and paying attention to their class). I do not listen to Hannity or Glenn Beck or even Rush these days as their repetitive shrill message is depressing. BUT, I would say that having President Obama (notice the respectfulness of addressing him by his title) in office is leading to massive ratings for conservatives everywhere.— IggleFan68
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- Alinsky advocated the very behavior exhibited this past summer at the town-hall meetings. I guess patriotism is in the eye of the beholder.— A Friend
- I can't believe anyone would think that a president (either Democrat or Republican) would use this sort of speech to further his polictical agenda. It will be a very safe, inspiring message. It will not involve the economy (except to say staying in school will give you a better chance to get a good job) or healthcare. It seems that no matter what Obama does, some people can't stop themselves from spinning it against him. I frankly feel sorry for these people. It's quite pathetic.— James TL
- Republicans complain about Obama addressing school children. Bunch's response well Bush 41 did it first...........now wait isn't something missing.......wait I know where is the post from TPS "WHHHAAAAAA Mommy, Mommy these mean people whhaaaa whhaaaa they did it first mommy, mommy" ( Thought I'd cover that for you TPS. Figured you must have been busy, bro - no thanks neccessary)— bird11
- James TL - I basically agree with you. I think it is a good thing for the President to address issues like the importance of staying in school, staying off drugs, and other non-political common sense advice to children. This thing jumped the shark IMHO with the after speech lesson plan distributed thru the White House.— bird11
- Obama just doesn't get it. "President Barack Obama will appear in a back-to-school television special with singer Kelly Clarkson and basketball star LeBron James next month." Kelly Clarkson & LeBron James lecturing young children on the IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION?? REALLY?? As a basketball fan I know all about LeBron jumping right from H.S. to the NBA. On the otherhand not being an American Idiot fan I had to look up Clarkson. "Upon high school graduation, Clarkson was offered full scholarships to The University of Texas at Austin, University of North Texas, and Berklee, but decided against college because she had "already written so much music and wanted to try it on her own," ..... WOW!!! talk about two stories that would inspire anyone to continue their education. "Yeah, I could go to college for free but decided it wasn't important".— bird11
- I see our liberal freinds are displaying their ignorance of math and recent history. Anything that was inherited has been magnified by this bumbling administration. What don't you understand about unemployment DOUBLING under Obama BECAUSE of the uncertainty about his budget and tax policy? The joke going on now at the State Dept is his creation to hide Hillary. He doesn't care about foreign policy, he wants to CONTROL domestic policy and all that goes with it. HIS budget busting spending will raise inflation to over 10% within a year or two!! The housing market will have 90% of sub prime mortages under water in a year or two as a result of continuing unemployment that will not come down with GOV'T spending! Only private investment creating real jobs will do that. Not make work WPA type jobs. And with this paper in big trouble, where are we all going to meet? See my previous post regarding the future of this rag. Thanks for reading/commenting. TPS- come up for air!— WriteWinger
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2naSzb1psU— tr88
1989 - Get to the kids BEFORE the start doing drugs and stop them from doing drugs. 2009 - Get to the kids BEFORE they can start to think for themselves and stop them from learning critical thinking. And throw in some self esteem for good measure.— rudytbone- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM&NR=1— tr88
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE&feature=related— tr88
- I don't even know what to say. This whole notion, that President Obama shouldn't address our children, is a true sign that as a country we our in trouble. People are afraid of the leader of this country address the children of this country. Pleople have stopped thinking, and are justing acting out of fear.— Tinawin
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Obama’s poll numbers are as low as Will Bunch’s credibility. He’s is losing support with Independents and even Dems. His supporters bought his BS like they were born yesterday, Now He’s Trying To Win Over Kids Who Really Are Born Yesterday. Too bad they can’t Vote to save his presidency in 2012.— AuH20
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