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Thursday, April 24, 2008

Initially, the emails that I received about last week's ABC News debate and my pointed criticism of it were running about 90 percent favorable -- that changed slightly as my words bounced across conservative talk radio and the editorial page of Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal.The naysayers said those who complained were merely mad that Obama was asked "tough questions," and as for issues like the health care or educaton, well, there's no difference and they've been asked about those a million times.

Really? It seems to me there's a lot of issues that have never been asked, not even in 21 debates. This week, the New York Times raised a significant question that I guarantee you will never, ever become part of the 2008 presidential campaign, even though it speaks to the essence of life in America today:

The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.

Indeed, the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment. Americans are locked up for crimes — from writing bad checks to using drugs — that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.

Criminologists and legal scholars in other industrialized nations say they are mystified and appalled by the number and length of American prison sentences.

It's a slam dunk to criticize the media for not making this issue -- which has become a fact of life and not even a topic of political discussion in America -- part of the campaign, but to be honest the problem runs deeper than that. It's a problem with a political candidates, in both parties, and our entire system.

Do you think a question about reducing prison populations would get a useful answer from any of the three remaining candidates? Based on how they're dealing with other issues, the only acceptible political answer is avoid suggesting you might want to release anybody from prison -- EVER. Because no matter what the political question might be in 2008, the correct answer is always going to be the least-nuanced, or most hard-core, the one that requires the least thought and the least sacrifice.

Taxes? Cut 'em.

High gas prices, caused in part by rising demand? A gas tax holiday (keeping demand high).

Iran? "Obliterate" them.

People who say controversial things? Reject and denounce them.

Flag pins? Wear 'em...or pay the penalty.

That's what politics is these days -- who can obiliterate, reject and denounce the most, the fastest, the harshest, whether it's taxes, foreign nations, or those who violate the law. Gail Collins was right on the money with this about the two Dems:

If you want to worry about something, worry about the way both of them have been pandering themselves over the edge. There was the dreaded read-my-lips, no-new-middle-class-taxes pledge during the Pennsylvania debate. Then Hillary tried to demonstrate her toughness by announcing she would “obliterate” Iran if it messed with Israel. And when it comes to political piñatas, we’ll always have Nafta. They both went into the tank on agricultural issues back in Iowa, so heaven knows what they’re saving for Indiana. Mandatory use of corn in highway paving materials?

I do think why one of the few things in this race that received mostly praise was Obama's Philadelphia speech on race, because it actually addressed painful subjects, and because it actually chose nuance over obliteration. But we make look back on that as an oddity, a one-off.

Because everywhere else, honesty and nunance have already been obliterated.

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Posted by didderbops 12:29 PM, 04/24/2008
It's ridiculous to say that the candidates have been asked the questions before so there is no reason to ask them again. A) This is a debate for the Pennsylvania primary, so many people in the state who might not have been paying attention prior would like to know now their positions. The debate is not for the pundits, it's supposed to be for the voters. B) This also assumes the candidates' positions are static and don't change or evolve. Maybe they've changed their views since the first debate a year ago? This is just further evidence of how elitist the media has become. Which is why they criticized Obama for "Bittergate". The media decides what the people think, not Obama. He's infringing on their turf.
Posted by didderbops 12:29 PM, 04/24/2008
It's ridiculous to say that the candidates have been asked the questions before so there is no reason to ask them again. A) This is a debate for the Pennsylvania primary, so many people in the state who might not have been paying attention prior would like to know now their positions. The debate is not for the pundits, it's supposed to be for the voters. B) This also assumes the candidates' positions are static and don't change or evolve. Maybe they've changed their views since the first debate a year ago? This is just further evidence of how elitist the media has become. Which is why they criticized Obama for "Bittergate". The media decides what the people think, not Obama. He's infringing on their turf.
Posted by Politburo 12:30 PM, 04/24/2008
BTW.. the system isn't broken, it just changed without notice. If there are more than 5 comments, there is a 'view all comments' link at the top right of the comments section.
Posted by MontcoKevin 12:51 PM, 04/24/2008
Will, how could we hope to run this country without a permanent underclass? Criminalizing a section of the population provides not only a coolie labor pool, but a strawman with which to frighten the remaining population into submission. And the best part is, since the overwhelming majority of this underclass is Black, they are easy to identify when you see them on the street! You can thank Richard Nixon's War on Drugs for the fantastic expansion of this very expensive anti-social program. Those uppity Negroes thought they got themselves the vote in the 60's, only to have it taken away again by the criminalization of their race. There are currently more Afican-American males in prison than in college in America, which is great if you think it's better to spend all that money training professional criminals and dishwashers instead of accountants, teachers and engineers. Interesting, too, is the prevailing attitude that you can't fix the schools by throwing money at them, but you can fix all of America's social problems by throwing money at the justice/prison system. We are so screwed.
Posted by SteveMG 01:05 PM, 04/24/2008
Darn thing is we are releasing prisoners because of overcrowding. Until crime is really rejected by people, this is the way it's going to be. Witnesses don't come forward, neighbors tolerate the dealers, parents don't control or educate their children. I'm tired of hearing about poverty, because a lot of the criminals aren't impoverished, and in most cases, the criminals are making more money than they would if they had jobs. All of the guys but one who work in my factory have been in jail. Two of them have been arrested during the time they worked for me. In the neighborhood around me, nobody cares anymore. The cops just chase people off of Kensington Ave, the neighbors just walk right by the dealers. What are the kids in the neighborhood supposed to think?
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Posted by Talking point sleuth 01:57 PM, 04/24/2008
An important aspect of this issue is the for-profit prison system. More political shenanigans taking place - at the behest of those with vested interests, this time companies that run prisons. There was an interesting article in a recent New Yorker about a for-profit prison company that previously lost contracts because of their failure to do the job properly but somehow managed to land a huge contract running prisons for aliens seeking asylum. Kids kept in cells away from their parents, given something line one hour's worth of education daily, not provided with educational materials. And the government colludes with the prisons to create a system with little oversight and no transparency. But, you know, we need to lock up even more people, as the brilliant commenter above suggests. After all, it's clear that in countries that lock up fewer people, crime is rampant. Take Japan. In Japan....oh....wait....nevermind.
Posted by E.Plebnista 02:24 PM, 04/24/2008
Yes, Xi Jah, you do have the one report from the DOJ to fall back on. Of course, the US still imposes the death penalty (which Britain does not) yet our murder rate is nearly six times that of Great Britain. So, it's not as simple as "tougher sentences reduce crime." And we are, of course, left to wonder what's gone on over the past 12 years...
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Posted by MontcoKevin 03:27 PM, 04/24/2008
Xi Jah...You never break laws? You never drive over 25 MPH in the city or 55 on the highway? Never cross the street in the middle of the block? Never poured a glass of wine for a minor at dinner? Always paid the Social Security tax on money you made mowing lawns? We ALL break laws and then rationalize it as "harmless" whenever we deem it necessary or when we feel the law is unfair or following it is too inconvenient. Plenty of people are in prison just for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, too. Don't be so certain that it will not happen to you or one of your family members one day.
Posted by RG 03:36 PM, 04/24/2008
I have questions but no answers. I beleive our recidivism rates are much higher than most industrialized nations as well. Leads me to think that we are doing an extremely poor job at rehabilitation (if possible). I've ready studies and opinions that liken our prison system to a "criminal university". In other words, an offender is sent to prison and instead of becoming a better citizen and learning from their mistake, they learn how to commit other crimes and refine their own routines.
Posted by montani semper liberi 03:47 PM, 04/24/2008
"they quoted criminologists who say its irrefutable that tougher sentencing reduces crime".............No doubt; there are experts that take opposing sides on every controversial issue, from the risks of tobacco to global climate change. Usually you can weigh their credibility by finding out who is buttering their bread. I think the point, though, is that the issue isn't being discussed at all because of our obsession with "gotcha" politics. Kudos to Will for starting a discussion here. In that spirit, who IS buttering the bread of those criminologists quoted in the WSJ? We know that prisons are becoming more privatized, to contractors who obviously have a vested interest in "attracting" new "customers". We also know that Congressmen and state legislators, representing districts that have an economic dependence on large prisons, or districts that want new prisons, aren't likely to be interested in evaluating ways to reduce prison populations, and are more likely to want prison expansion as the remedy. Mandatory sentencing laws fit right into their politics, and that's not necessarily bad if we're discussing violent crimes, or non-violent crimes that have a devastating impact on their victims, but drug crimes???? Couldn't the vast sums of money needed to house drug prisoners (not to mention the money needed to provide social services to families broken up by such incarcerations), be better spent on prevention, treatment, intervention, education, and so on? If those types of solutions are ignored, then don't we end up with the apathy that SteveMG cites above? And what does prison do except harden otherwise non-violent criminals, anyway?
Posted by Talking point sleuth 04:21 PM, 04/24/2008
See, this is why I like Attytood. Commenters like Xi Jah. First he makes the mistake of confusing correlation with casusation - by simplistically linking higher crime rates to lower incarceration rates without considering any other variables. And the, he says Take it up with James Taranto in the WSJ . Where else would you find such obvious cases of people who rarely actually attempt to make a cogent argument, then do so lamely with faulty reasoning, and then point the finger elsewhere rather than provide a decent defense of their position when challenged? Oh yeah, and then who disavows any concern whatsoever with one of the biggest social issues out there, because neither he nor anyone in his family has done jail time. Beautiful
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