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The Daily News will save your job -- as long as you make a sugary, tasty, high-calorie middle-class consumer treat
I've been flipping through this morning's Daily News -- looking for my paper's crusade to save the jobs of dozens of salt-of-the-earth Philadelphians about to lose their jobs in this era of 10 percent unemployment, when people without a highly specialized high-tech or knowledge-based skill, or of a certain age (i.e., over 50) may never be able to work ever again. I know some of these folks who work at my nearby Acme -- one of five Acme supermarkets about to shut down. So it's a minor inconvenience for shoppers like me, but a life-changing experience for the checkers, the stockers, the cleaners, and all the other hard-working folks employed there. The reasons their jobs are, as the expression goes, "no longer viable" are complex, but the lion's share of the blame belongs where it usually does, with dumb corporate management, blitzed by Wegman's on the strong side and Pathmark on the weak side.
I'll bet there's a strong overlap between Acme workers and Daily News readers, but -- like I said -- I can't find the passionate campaign to keep the supermarkets open. It must have run in the same place in the paper as our memorable campaign to block Dow from shutting the iconic Rohm & Haas plant that once dominated Bridesburg, or our clip and save petition that tried and failed to keep open that Express Scripts pharmaceutical shop open, up in Bensalem.
I did. however, find this -- hiding in plain sight on the front page:
And don't get me started on the pies. Golden, crust-encased oblongs of fat and sugar, shaped to fit the palm, no fork needed.
I'll admit it had been a while since I'd eaten a Tastykake. But if I'd known the company's days were numbered, I would've eaten the goodies for breakfast, lunch and dinner during the company's last disastrous quarter.
Anything to save this century-old Philly friend from going the way of so many other local, beloved institutions whose names are embroidered in memory - like Wanamaker, Buten, Budd, Lit and Schmidt.
We can't let another cherished company die on our watch. We must Save Our Snacks!
I want to be as clear as I can here: I'm not criticizing Ronnie Polaneczky for this column, or this crusade, if you will. For one thing, it's well-written and laugh-out loud funny, with some good and offbeat suggestions for saving Tasty Baking (which, it should be noted, is struggling after it did exactly the things that the Daily News and Philadelphia would want it to do -- hiring a quintessential Philly guy in Charlie Pizzi to run the firm and building a new plant inside the city limits). To the contrary, I'm on board! If I had any loose change, I might even be eating some Butterscotch Krimpets right now as I write this. (If you're familiar with my health and diet history, you'd guess correctly that I've "sampled" their products before.)
However, when Christians confess our sins, do we not also include the things left undone? Why all the sudden front-page love for saving the Tastykake jobs, when the Chinese water torture drip-drip-drip erosion of living-wage factory jobs has been the story of the last century in Philadelphia, and one that has been covered so poorly by the local media? Does anyone even know what happened to the poor schmoes who lost their chemical plant jobs in Bridesburg? -- I can hardly find a word about it online after Dow's pro-forma news release announcing the shutdown in the summer of 2009. Where did they go, and what will happen when scores of Acme employees join them on that long, grey unemployment line?
I think the biggest problem is that over 100 years Philadelphia has gone from a city of producers to a city of consuimers. As the city grew from 1850-1950, Philadelphia became a quilt of neighborhoods -- precisely because those neighborhoods were built around factories that were a source of both jobs and social conhesion. Some of those plants made well-known consumer goods -- remember Stetson Hats (I don't. but...) -- but a lot of them made what you would call "widgets." In other words, nothing like peanut-butter cupcakes, but rather gears and valves and chemicals that made them work -- things that weren't "cute" but where the very spine of what for a time was the greatest industrial power the world has ever known. Philadelphians identified with what they made, not with what we stuffed down our gullets. Pulling so many of those plants from so many Philly neighborhoods was to yank the very Jenga block that held it all together -- again and again and again.
The problem in Philadelphia isn't a dearth of snacks -- spend a couple hours trying to squeeze through the aisles at the Linc on Saturday if you don't believe me -- but a dearth of the jobs for people who make snacks, or Stetson hats, or who man the cash register at your neighborhood Acme. Meanwhile, the loss of all those Philadelphia factory jobs making widgets happened way too silently.
But Tastykakes are different! They are a familiar shelf item in a city of food shoppers, and an item of intense childhood nostalgia for the city's Baby Boomers as we enter middle-age and beyond. It's a palpable thing for upper middle-class suburban consumers who couldn't find Bridesburg with a GPS and Mapquest. Tastykakes are also an integral part of Philadelphia's weird high-fat mantra that We Are What We Eat -- cheesesteaks, soft pretzels, and scrapple, right? We can't imagine a consumer landscape without Butterscotch Krimpets, and this is why we fight, even as the vast majority of our other middle-class jobs vanish without a yelp.
But all means, let's Save Our Snacks (but really the people who work in Philadelphia for Tasty Baking.)
Then lets Save All Our Other Jobs. Before it's too late.
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The one good thing about this incident is that extremists on both sides might start feeling the pressure to tone-down the vitriol.
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Democratic U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona said she wanted to promote ways to “tone our rhetoric and partisanship down” in a note she sent Friday to Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson.
Giffords sent the email to Grayson Friday evening congratulating him for being hired as director of Harvard University’s Institute of Politics. Though from different parties, the two became friends while participating in a leadership fellowship in 2005, Grayson said.
In the email, which Grayson provided to cn|2 Politics, Giffords said she wanted work with Grayson on ways to encourage tamping down the current tone of political discourse.
“After you get settled, I would love to talk about what we can do to promote centrism and moderation. I am one of only 12 Dems left in a GOP district (the only woman) and think that we need to figure out how to tone our rhetoric and partisanship down,” Giffords wrote to Grayson.
She wrote the message the evening before attending a meeting with constituents Saturday morning in Tucson at which a gunman critically wounded Giffords and 12 others and killed six people, including a federal judge.
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Unfortunately, far more likely is that apologists for extremism will continue to defend the extremist rhetoric, and attack those who criticize the extremism. We've seen many such examples right here at Attytood.
Let's see if our beloved ARts attack Giffords as they have others who denounce the vitriol.— Talking point sleuth- ===]]] And racist apparently means Republican? [[[===
Interesting that you choose to go there, sloboat.
In point of fact, association with white supremacist and anti-immigrant organizations are not attributes typical of a lib. If you need to feel defensive about whether it is characteristic of a Republican is on you.
But keep focusing on trying to prove he is a lib. It speaks volumes about your "outrage" about the politicization of the murder.— Talking point sleuth 
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Atlas Juggs instantly branded Loughner a “total lefty loon” and at the American Spectator, Phil Klein wrote, “At this point, we have more reason to blame the revolutionary writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels [than Sarah Palin] for what happened today.” World Nut Daily ran an article with the headline, “Assassin’s politics lean ‘left wing, quite liberal‘” which Conservatives4Palin dutifully parroted, “The Shooter Was Reportedly “Left Wing, Quite Liberal.”
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And while all this was happening, Erick Erickson (along with our beloved ARts)complained “the left is using this tragedy to score political points.”
— Talking point sleuth - Oh yeah - dude was clearly a lib, sloboat:
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According to a law enforcement memo based on information provided by DHS and obtained by Fox News, Jared Loughner, the alleged shooter of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, may have been influenced by a pro-white racist organization that publishes an anti-immigration newsletter.
No direct connection, but strong suspicion is being direceted at American Renaissance, an organization that Loughner mentioned in some of his internet postings and federal law enforcement officials are investigating Loughner's possible links to the organization. The organization is a monthly publication that promotes a variety of white racial positions.
"The group's ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic," according to the memo which goes on to point out that Congressman Giffords is the first Jewish female elected to high office in Arizona. A recent posting on American Renaissance's website on January 7 begins with an article entitled: "Exit poll: Whites are Different." The site goes on to list anti-immigration articles. Investigators are also pursuing Loughner's alleged anti-Semitism.
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Fraud.
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- Joe Barton. What violent rhetoric?
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Joe Barton:
"Speaker Boehner is our Dwight Eisenhower in the battle against the Obama Administration. Majority Leader Cantor is our Omar Bradley. I want to be George Patton - put anything in my scope and I will shoot it."
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— Talking point sleuth - ===]]] Atheist. Flag burner. Bandmate & friend states the following: "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal". Facts are stubborn things. [[[===
Nice to see you "outrage" about attempts to politicize the shooting, sloboat.
Fraud.— Talking point sleuth - Arizona Representative Trent Franks, who has decried the "politicization" of the shooting by the sheriff of Tuscon, had this to say a while back:
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A president that has lost his way that badly, that has no ability to see the image of God in these little fellow human beings, if he can't do that right, then he has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity.
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Rather like bile.atkins' "outrage," isn't it?
Oh, and here's what a classmate of the shooter had to say about the murderer:
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After another student read a poem about getting an abortion, Mr. Loughner compared the young woman to a “terrorist for killing the baby.”
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Oh yeah - he's a lib, sloboat. You fraud.— Talking point sleuth - Comment removed.
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- ===]]] Is it any surprise that every post on this issue by the Sloth has been an effort to score cheap political points? [[[===
Interesting that you think that pointing out your hypocrisy and phony "outrage" is scoring political points.
Keep posting, batboy - as with each of your posts I "score" yet more "political points."
— Talking point sleuth - ===]]] Not even a slight hint of empathy for the victims and their families. [[[===
Right. Unlike you, batboy, who has demonstrated your "empathy" by (1) equating the murder to a random shooting through a pane of glass and, (2) accusing others of being "joyful" about murder.
What a touching display of "empathy."
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- It's pretty clear this guy had some deep mental issues. But it's also clear he distrusted the government (sound familiar?), had hate for illegals (non-English speaking people specifically) and had some pretty weird ideas about our monetary policy (aqua buddah anyone?), but let us not leap to the conclusion that he was influenced by the vitriol of the Tea Baggers. They don't prey upon the slow and uninformed.— chasing history
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Yeah, I can see where Batty might feel Palin's threatened by my criticism of her own vitriol. She can't defend it. The right to bear arms doesn't match the right to bear truth.- Exactly. What's fascinating is that for some reason, bile.atkins feels a need to (in his mind) justify this murder, or Palin's violent rhetoric, by equating them with a random shooting or accusing you of being joyful about Palin's murder.
Says quite a bit 'bout batboy, doesn't it?— Talking point sleuth - Comment removed.
- ===]]] It is entirely reasonable to think he would openly celebrate her death. [[[===
Right. In your mind, it is "entirely reasonable" to think he would openly celebrate her death.
Thinks for confirming my point that your mind has no relationship to reality.
How sad is it that you feel the need to justify the shooting by a lunatic by (1) equating murder with random gunfire and, (2) accusing that MSL would by joyful about Palin's murder?
All as a way for you to express your "outrage" about politicizing the shooting.
Keep going, bile.atkins. With each post you expose your hypocrisy (let alone your class) that much more.— Talking point sleuth - Comment removed.
- ===]]] Had it been Palin on the receiving end of this, I can only imagine the unbridled joy of 'progressives' at her murder, [[[===
Also classic. In bile.atkins mind, MSL would be "joyful" about the murder of Palin.
I think not much else needs to be said about the reality-basis of bile.atkins analysis.
Stay classy, batboy.— Talking point sleuth - Comment removed.
- Just shut up already and stop being a dope, if that's even possible. — chasing history
- ===]]] I suspect those reported cases include Cantor's office getting shot up. [[[===
Typical bile.akins hypocrisy.
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In an interview with TPM, a Richmond Police Department spokesman said the bullet that penetrated a window in a building that includes a campaign office of Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) was “an act of random gunfire.”
“What we were describing yesterday in fact describes an act of random gunfire,” said Public Information Manager Gene Lepley.
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Classic. To express his deep "outrage" about the politicization of the AZ shooting, bile.atkins falsely equates clear incidents of threat coming from the right with random gunfire.
Your deep "concern" would be touching, bile.atkins, if it weren't so laughably fraudulent.
— Talking point sleuth - The simple answer is violence begets violence. Why would a lefty nut be any less incited by Palin's gun imagery than a righty nut, especially after the righty nuts reinforce the idea by brandishing loaded weapons in front of the cameras? (Why does that sound a little obscene when I reread it?)
- ===]]] The simple answer is violence begets violence ... [[[===
Well said. In fact, I'd say that's the main answer.
Violent and vitriolic rhetoric along with a media that glorifies violence, are the root of the problem, no matter where it eminates. Our society's inability to deal effectively with mental illness - to the extent that such incidents can be preventable - only exacerbates the root problem.
Which all goes to say that there are reasons that this society, not the least political violence, is so violent based on global standards.
— Talking point sleuth - Now Palin's camp is claiming the cross-hairs are really an obscure reference to a surveyor's map symbol. Obviously we should have known that in the context of "Don't retreat - RELOAD!"
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This guy wasnt a lib or a conservative, he was simply a nut,you cant blame either side or the NRA. This guy was all over the place from what I have read. TPOS I like your hand wringing over the state of politics in this country its appaling but since you are a symptom of the crass behavoir of the extremists on both sides of the aisle I dont beleive you have any right to throw stones. My prayers are with the family's of the victims and I hope they get justice though I'm sure some greasy lawyer will make sure he gets a light sentence instead of the death penalty.— PAEnglish- Independent of the motives for this shooter, please take note:
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During his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle...
Giffords, 40, is a moderate Democrat who narrowly won re-election in November against a tea party candidate who sought to throw her from office over her support of the health care law. Anger over her position became violent at times, with her Tucson office vandalized after the House passed the overhaul last March and someone showing up at a recent gathering with a weapon...
Giffords expressed similar concern, even before the shooting. In an interview after her office was vandalized, she referred to the animosity against her by conservatives, including Sarah Palin's decision to list Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections.
"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC....
Law enforcement officials said members of Congress reported 42 cases of threats or violence in the first three months of 2010, nearly three times the 15 cases reported during the same period a year earlier. Nearly all dealt with the health care bill, and Giffords was among the targets...
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So if this nutjob was a lib and not a conservative, that would justify the above?
Stay classy, boyz. Your deep "concern" about the politicization of this event, and about the negative impact of over-the-top-rhetoric is duly noted.
Frauds.— Talking point sleuth - Comment removed.
- Sorry - that was a premature submitulation.
You go...tta give our beloved ARts some credit: They aren't just SOMETIMES complete frauds and hypocrites. They prove their fraudulence and hypocrisy with each and every comment at Attytood.
Impressive.
Sad and pathetic. But impressive.
— Talking point sleuth - Typical.
So, that a judge who received death threats from rightwingers was killed proves that the perp is a lib.
And sloboat is frantically posting that tweets prove that he is a lib.
And all this is because our beloved ARts are deeply offended that anyone might politicize the shooting.
You go— Talking point sleuth - Glad to see AZ had concealed weapons legislation. As the Tea Baggers and NRA supporters say, it protects the innocent! Also glad that AZ allowed handguns with extended magazines. Instead of getting off 11 shots, he was still firing after 19.....Good work AZ!— The Fundamentals of the Economy are Fine
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- What's entertaining is how eager you are to suddenly stereotype Tea Baggers, dude. Can't possibly be atheists, nor have once held liberal views. The flag couldn't possibly be a symbol of the tyranny they decry. Again, it's not the politics, it's the inflammatory speech. It attracts outcasts of all stripes.
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- Palin's the one who aimed cross-hairs at Giffords. Perhaps this tragedy will change her violent tone, and she can surprise us by being a leader for her cause without the need to incite the media for attention. One can hope.
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- The description (from an anonymous tweet?) still predates the Tea Party movement as well as Palin, at an age when we're all still forming our political opinions, and I'd suggest his onset of paranoid schiz (which typically deveops at his age) was not yet severe. So what? The issue is the tone of the rhetoric, not the politics.
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- ball-less bill is about the dumbest person alive, besides the AZ shooter.— The Fundamentals of the Economy are Fine
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- What facts don't I like? That he had a "problem" with the government, illegals and our monetary policy? Sounds like a Tea Bagger in training much like yourself! — The Fundamentals of the Economy are Fine
- what facts are those again? — The Fundamentals of the Economy are Fine
- If only Arizona had gun laws which allowed ordinary citizens to carry concealed guns so that our Arizona minutemen could defend themselves, and innocent people, in times like these.......oh wait.— The Fundamentals of the Economy are Fine
- Tea parties and Palin's comin'
We're finally on our own
This winter I hear the drummin'
Six dead in Arizon'
Gotta speak truth to it
Psychos are cutting us down
Should've spoke truth long ago
What if you knew her
Found her dead on the ground
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- Sure batty. “We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list,” Ms. Giffords said last March. “But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that.”
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- I heard she got a D rating on gun worship from the NRA, but it's beside the point. She respected the 2nd Amendment, much as I do, but didn't brandish it as a weapon.
- Loughner apparently had issues with language, currency (possibly a metaphor for language) and the gregorian calendar, per his youtubes. It's all beyond rational politics, more akin to the delusions of a John Hinckley. Paranoid schiz, apparently untreated except for the availability of a 9mm Glock. Nevertheless, this does let the air out of the worst rhetoric of the Backlash. There are metally ill people out there folks, and they don't know this is a show. They think it's a g-dd-mn fight.
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- Yes, we shouldn't overlook all those past shootings inspired by Kos's calls to "arms", all while embracing the second amendment and emulating wild beasts that necessarily kill to survive. I'll be the first to acknowledge there are lib schizoids out there who might take that stuff seriously.
TPS just for you J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!— bird11- I'm happy for you, birdie (actually, I've always liked the Jets - they're my back-up second team).
Now - let's see if you know how to spell N.E.W E.N.G.L.A.N.D. P.A.T.R.I.O.T.S.
(who, after years living in New England, are my primary second team).....— Talking point sleuth - I agree with you Bird and RG, the guy sounds like a complete wack job. Bill like a lot of libs will now crow in glee and blame Palin, Beck, Fox News ect, but the simple fact is this guy was a lunatic. Though his arrogance does remind me of TPOS.— PAEnglish
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- Thing is, from what I've read, the guy doesn't mention Palin et al in any of his writings released so far. But scumbag Bill drops his drawers and throws out the insinuations so he can get off. — RG
- I didn't see where Hicks mentioned Palin either. I wonder why you'd bring her up? As for Beck, his career was briefly saved last summer thanks to a drunk driving arrest of one of his devoted listeners before he was able to massacre the Tides Foundation. Let's be civil, but not naive.
- Should we not be naive about the dangers of "Taxi Driver" as well? Or should we simply realize there are nuts and bad people out there? — RG
- I think that's the point RG. Once you recognize there are nuts out there, don't expect they won't be encouraged by violent rhetoric, no matter how symbolic. Who knows, Tracis Bickle might have gone through with the assassination had he just been encouraged of its patriotism by a gun-wielding opponent.
Congratulations right wingers, another victim! Remind me again about all the left wing acts of violence in the last 10 years? I'm having trouble recalling them... I'm sure Rush and Glenn will be back Monday to give you people your talking points on this assassination, and how you will spin this to avoid taking responsibility for ratcheting up the rhetoric and the consequences of it. I wish this site wouldn't censor comments, so I could tell you people what I really think of your pathetic selves right now.- Comment removed.
- Way to politicize the issue you f'ing clown. — RG
- WTF! crazy shooting in AZ. My prayers go out to everyone involved and their families. There is no reason for this in (supposedly) civilized society. A politician out amongst her constituents - and it isn't even election time - and some moron starts shooting people. Even if Laughner's sick mind somehow can rationalize this action how about trying to contain your craziness until 9 year olds aren't in the crossfire.— bird11
- Fifteen or so years ago, William Julius Wilson, the prominent sociologist, wrote a book called "When Work Disappears," in which a number of pages detail what happened to the jobs in Philadelphia to which this article alludes. It's a sobering book. For example, Wilson notes that between 1967 and 1987, Philadelphia lost 64% of its manufacturing jobs. As the daughter, granddaughter, and great-granddaughter of men and women who worked in Philly's plants, factories, refineries, and retail stores, I wept and raged when I read Wilson's words and began to understand the factors that brought about these losses. It's worth reading. (Available at Amazon, but probably easily gotten via interlibrary loan from any branch of the Free Library--supposing you can find one that's open when you can get there. A lot of those jobs went away, too.) As for TastyKake, well, I hope it can be saved. Much of my childhood allowance went to those sinfully delicious treats, especially the pies, which cost a whole dime when I was in elementary school; you could get two Hershey bars for ten cents, but I was a slave to the pies, especially cherry and blueberry. I even loved the white paper coffins they came in, which made excellent toy boats (with the help of a lot of Scotch tape) to float down the street on a rainy day (good tactic for amusing my little brother and sister).— 2streetersdaughter
- Say - birdie, who ya' gonna root for after your J.E.T.S. get bounced by Indy?
Maybe there's still room left on the Eagles bandwagon. There might even be a seat for you next to Mike Vick.— Talking point sleuth - TPS there will be no bouncing done by Indy - J-E-T-E JETS JETS JETS!!!!!! I just hope your rooting against the Gang Green isn't an indication of your continued hatred for brown people (lol) - look for Mark "Dirty" Sanchez to have big game tonight.
Anybody interested in rooting for the Jets tonight I'll be watching the game with some Jets fans at the Mexican Post in Old City. Anybody interested in rooting for the Colts stop by too - I'll be the big loud guy in the Revis jersey - we can wager an adult beverage on the outcome.
Strangely TPS I am going to Eagles/Packers game tomorrow. My first time in the Linc.— bird11 - I'll be there tomorrow as well. — RG
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- Happy 76th Birthday to THE KING.......Elvis Aaron Presley.— bird11
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- Wow, what a disappointing week for the Republican Party, especially the Tea Baggers. On Wednesday they read the Amended version of the Constitution in one of the worst displays of political theater I have witnessed since the Terri Schiavo fiasco. I thought they wanted to go back to the Constitution that our Founding Fathers wrote? lol...then they announce that they actually don't know specific services or programs which will be cut. In fact, they can't even come up with a measly 30 Billion to cut. lol.....Our esteemed Congressional Rep from the 8th District was too busy stuffing his pockets full of lobbyists cash to get sworn in at the Capitol. lol.....Then they announce their intent to add another 230 Billion to the National Debt by repealing ACA. lol.....the Kuzoo Cantor announced that Democrats will not be able to offer amendments to their legislation to repeal ACA, the very abuse they bemoaned while Democrats controlled the House. lol.....getting my popcorn ready, this WILL BE FUN!— chasing history
- No comment on the Democrats who participated "in one of the worst displays of political theater"?
"In fact, they can't even come up with a measly 30 Billion to cut." Really, what leftist blog did you read that from?
Sorry clown, no lobbyists. And no real evidence of campaign fund raising either. Raising money for a specific event, sure. You lefties are really grasping at straws.
Sorry, no 230 billion to the Debt by repealing ACA. False data by Democrats to the CBO = GIGO Garbage In Garbage Out.
- Keep ducking, RG.
It never fails to amuse.— Talking point sleuth - Yes, so simple that you can't answer the question.
- Answer what? Your completely false analogy? — RG
- ===]]] Yeah, TPS the government really went out of its way to avoid putting soldiers in harms way [[[===
Good point, RG. The government doesn't take extensive measures to ensure the safety of our troops. And that's as it should be, because every measure they might take to protect the soldiers would cost you more in taxes.
And besides, the troops volunteered for service, so why should the government spend money to protect their safety anyway?
Keep going, RG. Your exposing your depravity more and more with each post.
— Talking point sleuth - ===]]] thats why you had to modfy the scenario. {{{===
I modified the scenario because you tried to duck behind some lame excuse about not being able to ensure 100% that the child employee would die of cancer.
So go ahead and address the modified scenario, RG.
Or, you can just keep ducking.— Talking point sleuth - Here's your scenario, in case you forgot while spinning: "Say RG owns a company and hires workers to do jobs that he knows, for a fact, will give his employees cancer. He could institute safety measures that would make the job safe and still make a profit, but he chooses to not do so because it would reduce his profit."
So it was a "fact" that they would get cancer if i didn't do anything, and they would be "safe" if i did. Sounds awfully binary and simplistic to me. Almost Shangrai-Laish.— RG - Comment removed.
- Here's another scenario.
RG offers a 9 year old money to dive into the Schuylkill to retrieve his wallet that he dropped in there while jogging on West River Drive. Unfortunately, the kid can't swim, gets caught in the current, and dies of hypothermia.
RG is later heard justifying his action:
"Well, first of all, I didn't force the kid to go into the river, and secondly, it wasn't a 100% certainty that the kid would die. Yes, I could have hired an adult to do the job, but it would have cost me more money so I decided against it."
Outstanding, RG.— Talking point sleuth - Great scenario. Its a fairly common occurance that people jump into water when they can't swim. Speaking of drowning, someone needs to toss you a life preserver. In 15 minutes, I got you to argue that the US gov takes every precaution to protect their troops and that kids who can't swim will jump into water for a couple bucks. — RG
- ===]]] What world do you live in where a) adding safety measures eliminates all risk [[[===
Too funny. So, because they can't eliminate all risk, that means that they can't reduce risk? That's your binary thinking, RG, not mine.
Here, I'll modify our little scenario for you.
Say RG owns a company and hires workers to do jobs that he knows, for a fact, WILL EXPOSE THEM TO UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS - AND THAT A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF THEM WILL SUFFER MAJOR INJURIES. He could institute safety measures that would make the job safe and still make a profit, but he chooses to not do so because it would reduce his profit. Please note, none of that increased profit goes to increasing the wages he pays his employees. To increase his profits even more, RG decides to hire 9 year-olds to do the job because they will work for lower wages, and he employees them for 16 hour shifts because he can squeeze out a few more dollars by doing so. Many of the children RG employees to do jobs that will give them cancer are forced to work in RG's factory by their parents.
When carted off to jail for doing something that has been considered illegal and unethical in virtually every corner of the planet, RG is heard to plead......
"But, but, those 9 year olds I hired to work jobs that UNCESSARILY EXPOSED THEM TO EXTREME SAFETY HAZARDS, but there were actually better off because I employed them. And yes, I could have instituted safety measures to protect their health, and I could have employed them for reasonable-length shifts, and I could have employed adults, but all of those steps would have reduced my profits, so therefore I should not be criticized."
You're hilarious RG.— Talking point sleuth - "That's your binary thinking, RG, not mine." No, its yours, thats why you had to modfy the scenario. You attempt to continuously spin the argument, constantly moving goalposts, building strawmen, and engaging in hyperbolic rhetoric.
— RG - ===]]] the government employs more people in unsafe working conditions than anyone else, they're called soldiers, cops, fireman, etc. [[[===
The government undergoes massive efforts, at great cost, to minimize the safety hazards of confronted by their employees.
You're actually arguing that the government should ignore those hazards and not take any steps to protect the health of their employees. Why? Because then maybe you could get a way with paying a little less in taxes, as you enjoy the benefits of being protected from health hazards by those very same government employees.
You're a real peach, RG.— Talking point sleuth - "The government undergoes massive efforts, at great cost, to minimize the safety hazards of confronted by their employees."
I may have to frame this. Yeah, TPS the government really went out of its way to avoid putting soldiers in harms way by invading Iraq (or any other nation building excursion where we weren't attacked). Heck, the goverment hired contractors whose faulty wiring killed troops. Loota safety measures there. Its not like the need for ever moreadvanced weapons systems has anything to do with padding the profits of corporate welfare queens in the defense industry.
The government's did a great job on keeping cops safe as well, by releasing violent criminals from jail early, announcing a war on drugs, and other stupid policies.
— RG - ===]]] I'd say a mine, by definition, is an unsafe working environment. [[[===
Some mines owners comply with safety regulations even though they make less of a profit by doing so. Some don't. You're arguing in support of those who don't.
Says a lot about you.— Talking point sleuth - Let's break this down.
Say RG owns a company and hires workers to do jobs that he knows, for a fact, will give his employees cancer. He could institute safety measures that would make the job safe and still make a profit, but he chooses to not do so because it would reduce his profit. Please note, none of that increased profit goes to increasing the wages he pays his employees. To increase his profits even more, RG decides to hire 9 year-olds to do the job because they will work for lower wages, and he employees them for 16 hour shifts because he can squeeze out a few more dollars by doing so. Many of the children RG employees to do jobs that will give them cancer are forced to work in RG's factory by their parents.
When carted off to jail for doing something that has been considered illegal and unethical in virtually every corner of the planet, RG is heard to plead......
"But, but, those 9 year olds I hired to work jobs that gave them cancer were actually better off because I employed them. And yes, I could have instituted safety measures to protect their health, and I could have employed them for reasonable-length shifts, and I could have employed adults, but all of those steps would have reduced my profits, so therefore I should not be criticized."
What a peach you are, RG. Thank God societies all over the globe have rejected your ethical viewpoint.— Talking point sleuth - Nice one, TPS. So the mine owner knows for a fact that without safety measures EVERY ONE of his employees will get cancer, and with said safety measures NONE of them will. And you accuse me of binary thinking? What world do you live in where a) adding safety measures eliminates all risk b) not adding them equals a 100% chance of incident c) the mine owner (or gov bureaucrat) knows the precise safety standards to eliminate all risks, and d) the cost of adding the safety measures only eats into the owners profits, and wouldn't mean the hiring of less workers? — RG
Latest Gallup poll, More Americans (still) self-identify as Democrats than Republicans.
So much for that man-date.— Les Ismore- Gallup pole? Did this pole offer any insight as to why Dems just got destroyed in the recent elections?
- ---]]] So the employers shouldn't have hired the 9 year olds, depsite the fact that the 9 year olds wanted to work? {{{===
Too funny.
The employers shouldn't have employed children to work in unsafe working conditions. In fact, they shouldn't have employed anyone to work in unsafe working conditions. But they chose to do so because they could increase their profits by doing so.
Keep defending profit-making from employing children to work in unsafe conditions, RG.
It says a lot about you.— Talking point sleuth - I'd say a mine, by definition, is an unsafe working environment. So I guess they could have chose to never have opened the mine. Unless you're really going to try to argue that miners who work in safety conscious mines are completely safe from accidents and health ailments.
Heck, by your own silly logic, the government employs more people in unsafe working conditions than anyone else, they're called soldiers, cops, fireman, etc. But since the government doesn't profit (but rather spends more than it takes in), I guess thats ok with you. Showing once again, that the profits are what you take umbrage with. But nope, no class envy here.— RG - RG, which is more troubling to you - envy of profits gained on the backs of starving 9 year old children, or envy that a starving 9 year old child might get a free meal at your expense?
- I envy your naive, simplistic vision of economics. It was just that simple for mine owners to install foolproof safety measures AND give free meals to kids. It would have only cut into their profits, its not like it would have put them at a competitive disadvantage or left them to hire less workers to make up the costs. Heck, I mean everyone's doing the good samaritian thing, right? — RG
- ===]]] yet somehow their employer was the bad guy. [[[===
Too funny. "Somehow."
Yeah, "somehow" I think that employing 7 year-olds to work long hours in unsafe working conditions qualifies as a "somehow." Running sweatshops is a "somehow." Making exorbitant profits by bribing public officials is a "somehow."
I guess I just roll that way.
For his next move, RG will defend mine owners that earn profits by systematically ignoring the safety of their workers. You know, because if they miners didn't want to work there, they could have just quit.
And those whining families, that are complaining because their family members died working in mines which systematically violated safety rules.
More members of the "parasite class," eh RG?— Talking point sleuth - ===]]] On top of all of that, can no one answer the basic question of whether the kids would have been better off if they were never hired? [[[===
Classic. If we don't pick between the two options you offer - as if no other options existed - to justify the systematic exploitation of children for the sake of profit, it means we "can't" answer your question?
Too funny.
The 9 year olds working in sweatshops would have been better off if their employers hadn't decided that trading off marginal increases in their profit at the cost of the health of 9-year olds was justifiable. You see, RG, treating employees like human beings is an option. Amazing that you don't realize that.
That's the reason why criticism of the Robber Barons is reasonable for anyone who isn't a slave to a compulsive need to justify extremist viewpoints - such as you.
The Robber Barons were systematically corrupt and engaged in business practices which are the antithesis of your beloved "free-market," RG.
I know that you have a fetish with those you think superior to the "parasite class," and I realize that you have contempt for the working poor and children who have the audacity to be born into poor families, but sheeese, RG - I would have thought that apologizing for employers who exploit children would have been beyond even you.
I guess not.
— Talking point sleuth - So the employers shouldn't have hired the 9 year olds, depsite the fact that the 9 year olds wanted to work? thats a fair answer, but now you have to acknowledge that the kids were denied employment to support themselves and were likely worse off without the income. You seem to be unable to grasp this point and coose isntead to demagogue about robber barons and exploitation. — RG
- I grasp your point completely RG. They would have starved without the opittance they earned in the sweat shop. What you don't seem to grasp is why.
- Well, starvation is usually caused by a lack of food. I'll guess we should assume these starving people were doing just fine before the robber barons came in? — RG
- LOL, for someone supposedly educated on the evils of government, you have no clue how federal railroad and eminent domain laws helped the robber barons steal land. Or perhaps you wistfully pine for those days?
- What's laughable is your selective outrage over eminent domain and government power. When it hurts those nobles West Virginians, its worthy of a heroic retelling. When it gradually erodes individual liberty, ehhh, its what God or the UN Declaration of human rights wants. — RG
- I grasp your point completely RG. They would have starved without the opittance they earned in the sweat shop. What you don't seem to grasp is why.
- I grasp your point completely RG. They would have starved without the opittance they earned in the sweat shop. What you don't seem to grasp is why.
- I grasp your point completely RG. They would have starved without the opittance they earned in the sweat shop. What you don't seem to grasp is why.
- I grasp your point completely RG. They would have starved without the opittance they earned in the sweat shop. What you don't seem to grasp is why.
- Palin isn't my idea of the government, Legatus, but since you brought it up, try this one: "By me kings reign and rulers make laws that are just." Proverbs 8:15
- You statement that Palin should be concerned about the ultimate death panelist was made ostensibly because of her opposition to Obamacare. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the passage of scripture that you chose was meant to imply that due to this opposition, she wasn't doing her duty as a Christian of helping the least among us, due to the fact that many poor cannot afford health insurance. My point is that one can oppose governmental policies which purport to help the least among us, while still being Christian in every sense. It is the person who Jesus commanded to care for the downtrodden, not the government. The fact that we should "give Caesar what is his" does not exempt us from His unfavorable judgment, if we have not been personally caring for our brethren....i.e. acting in a Christian manner. "Judge not lest ye be judged". — legatus
- msl - (John 7:24) "do not judge by appearance, but judge with righteous judgement". Your judgment was not righteous, as the lord did not say "Amen, I say to you, what your government did not do for one of these least ones, your government did not do for me.'— legatus
- Like everybody in Philly, I too grew up on TastyKake. Chocolate cup cakes, Butterscotch Krimpets, the pies, etc. Mom never had anything to say because the label said, flour, eggs, pure vanilla, fruit filling, pretty much how she made hers. Mom would not be happy today. The label on the TastyKake wrappers reads like a Chemistry 101 text. More disturbing are some of the [ahem] natural ingredients. Palm oil? This stuff can clog a 4 inch sewer pipe and is dirt cheap. The whole idea of TastyKake was that it was different from Hostess and Drake. Even your Mother liked it. Had they kept the old recipes, maybe they would've had to charge $2 per package of Krimpets and would've gone out of business anyway...or maybe people would be willing to pay a premium for a quality product. Bottom line, today's TastyKake is not like the TastyKake of yesteryear.— legatus
- Palin should be concerned with the ultimate death panelist: "Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Matthew 25
- "Since the government is the people, we're all death panelists." And since the government is the people we are all tax collectors too, right?— Les Ismore
- I'm a net payer in taxes, so I'm certainly not collecting them. And I'm fairly certain, I'm not receiving an equivalent benefit to what I'm paying in. Seems others might be skimming a tad.
And if we're all tax collectors, death panelists, and sick citizens, wouldn't make a whole lotta sense to cut out the politicians who are skimming the money and let the people keep what they earn? I wonder if Mark Price could have afforded the transplant if he hadn't been paying so many taxes over the years?— RG - Would someone please ask Sarah Palin about those death panels again??
"Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) advocated for and passed budget cuts last year that cut off urgent transplant funding that was previously promised to 98 Arizonans. In late November, Mark Price, an Arizona father who had been battling leukemia for a year, died due to complications related to chemotherapy treatment he was receiving. Price was awaiting an organ transplant that could’ve saved his life, but he was unable to receive one in time due to Brewer’s budget cuts.
Now, the University of Arizona Medical Center has told the press that another patient passed away in late December because they were unable to get their organ transplant funded. Although the attending physicians declined to release the name of the patient out of respect for the family’s privacy, they confirmed that the patient that passed away was one of the 98 Arizonans cut off from organ transplants by Brewer and the GOP-controlled state legislature. He “was our patient. He was on our list,” said surgery department spokeswoman Jo Marie Gellerman."
— Les Ismore - I guess you're a one man death panel, Les. I'm sure some person in PA died because the governemnt didn't foot the bill for their care. Since the government is the people, we're all death panelists. Unless, that is, you give every last dime of your disposable income to sick people who can't get their care funded. — RG
- ===]]] yet you still claim that the people who paid them were somehow evil. [[[===
Ah yes. RG pines for the days of child labor. When 2 million children under 15 worked industrial jobs. Why who can forget those wonderful days of children suffering from tuberculosis and bronchitis they contracted while working long hours for meager pay in unsafe work environments?
I mean what could be evil about employing 12 year-old children to work long hours in unsafe working conditions? I mean, don't the profits that can had from running sweatshops justify their existence?
— Talking point sleuth - I'm still confused. I asked why they didn't quit, you said they'd starve if they did. So, apparently they had to work to survive, yet somehow their employer was the bad guy. Would they have been better off had the employer not hired them at all? — RG
- I think everyone is confused as to why you are confused. How do you not get it?? Or are you just being facetious? If so, it's about time to grow up. Unless of course you are a teenager and still are growing up. Then, it's understandable :) — phillyphorever516
- "So, apparently they had to work to survive, yet somehow their employer was the bad guy." . . . . . As I noted before, they took up arms and organized. RG didn't consider that "productive", LOL. They should have settled for the brioche instead.
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- Death and destruction are productive? If their organizing was so productive, why are you still whining about karma today? In an earlier post, you mentioned economic slavery. Doesn't sound "productive" to me.
On top of all of that, can no one answer the basic question of whether the kids would have been better off if they were never hired?— RG - Are you incapable of answering a simple question? Were the children forced to work or did they seek employment voluntarily in order to provide for themselves and their families? If it is the latter, then was the better solution for the employers to never have hired the children, saving them from exploitation but possibly leaving them unable to feed themselves? It's a simple question, and I think it speaks volumes that you can't be bothered to answer it. — RG
- Mr. Bunch, your compassion has sorely gone missing in the rest of the media. Please keep up the good work.— workerholic
- Life without cherry pies and the one with the custard in, and coconut creams, apple ones are not to shabby either, hopefully somebody will buy the company and get it back on track. Otherwise I'm living on dunkin donuts, which I can do at a pinch but it wont be the same.— PAEnglish
Will says: "I think the biggest problem is that over 100 years Philadelphia has gone from a city of producers to a city of consumers." I think it might be more accurate to say "The biggest problem is that over 50 years America has gone from a nation of producers to a city of consumers." We really need to go back to producing things if we are to stay somewhere among the leading nations. The producers (China esp. but also S. Korea, Germany, and others) are catching up and may soon pass.- Comment removed.
- ===]]] If the workers were so darned exploited why didn't they quit? [[[===
You're hilarious, RG. The Robber Barons had their workers endure long hours, dangerous working conditions, terrible wages -- paid to children and dirt-poor immigrants, while they stuffed their pockets and fouled the environment. Those are the employers that you're defending.
But yeah - the children working so they wouldn't starve could have just quit if it was so bad.
No wonder your favorite writer is Menckin - as he agreed with you about the worthlessness of the "unwashed masses" that you call the "parasite class."
No doubt, you would consider the Robber Barons to be as noble as he considered the slave-holding aristocracy of the South -- people Menckin described as "men of delicate fancy, urbane instinct and aristocratic manner — in brief, superior men. It was there, above all, that some attention was given to the art of living — a certain noble spaciousness was in the ancient southern scheme of things."
Who cares about those inferior children - right RG? No sweat off your brow if they were exploited for the profit of the Robber Barons.
— Talking point sleuth - Thats an awful big strawman you have there. But it is funny that you argue that people would have starved if they didn't work, yet you still claim that the people who paid them were somehow evil. I guess the "robber barons" should not have hired them at all, huh? — RG
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- Interesting that Republicans have once again failed on another campaign promise. Remember that 100 BILLION they were gonna cut, well, that's not happening now. And remember the promise to disclose who in Congress would be taking advantage of federal health coverage, well, that's not gonna happen now either. lol..... the Tea Baggers are not doing too well their first days in Congress. 2/2 on broken promises.— The Fundamentals of the Economy are Fine
- And in more recent news, Obama picks a former Wall Streeter as his chief of staff. Gee, I thought he promised to stop the revolving door? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/from-rahm-to-daley-financial-execs-in-the-white-house/68997/— RG
- ===]]] Sounds like the forefathers did a poor job managing thei r land [[[===
RG makes a good point as usual. Because, you know, there certainly weren't any unscrupulous or unethical industrialists that exploited workers, paid off politicians, engaged in anti-competitive or monopolistic practices, or anything like that.
Everyone knows that all industrialists realize, as RG has explained, that exploitative or unethical practices are bad long-term business plans, and so they never engage in such.
It must be nice to live in a dream world like RG's.— Talking point sleuth - If the workers were so darned exploited why didn't they quit? Politicians being paid off? i thought you trusted the system? What are monopolistic practices? Trying to sell to as many consumers as possible? The horrors! — RG
- Actually they took up arms and organized, putz. (Coolidge had to send in the regular army, and had Billy Mitchell aerial bomb Americans at Blair Mountain to appease his patrons). The unions ruined Philly? Karma.
- So instead of quitting. they got violent? Sounds productive. — RG
- It was. The NLRA was passed not long thereafter. But your lack of outrage over the heavy hand of big government in this instance is telling. And apparently you see no value in the 2nd Amendment to defend one's civil rights in this case.
- So it was crony capitalism in cahoots with government and not free markets? Got it. — RG
- ===]]] The entire idea behind this paragraph was lifted from an article that appeared in the Daily News/Inky within the last, what, week or so. [[[===
Because, you know, there's no way that Will could have known about Philly's loss of its industrial base had he not read about it a week ago.
Reminds me of when bucky went off on a rant about how Will made up some quote and how he never spoke to that murdering rightwinger in Pittsburgh. Oh. Except Will had interviewed the guy and bucky was ranting about something he knew nothing about.
For a change.
Too funny.— Talking point sleuth - Read the original article from a week ago, numbskull. It's almost a point-for-point match comparison between the paragraph and the article. From the types of factories, to the items that were made, to the descriptions of the people, it's entire lifted and no credit given.
In the real world, they call this plagiarism. Something you know quite a bit about, I am sure.
But, hey, it's nice to see you one again working the boot-licking role for your savior. - TastyKakes have been distributed out here on the frontier for several years now, and I've been an unofficial salesman to my native friends, particularly for my favorites, KandyKakes and eclairs. Some of the grandfolk out here remember Philly as their fathers did, the home of energy barons that raped and pillaged this state's natural wealth and sold their fathers into economic slavery, once their ancestral lands were rendered useless or stolen. Karma Kakes be tasty too.
- Sounds like the forefathers did a poor job managing their land and blamed others for their woes. But nice dramatic touch with the "economic slavery" line. — RG
- I'd be remiss not to point out how the profits poured out of the ground here and found legitimacy as generous endowments to Philly's great universities and hospitals. Pittsburgh, Balto and Cleveland as well. The only thing to blame is geography, RG. The base nature of man is no mystery. Don't be so defensive.
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- //I think the biggest problem is that over 100 years Philadelphia has gone from a city of producers to a city of consuimers. As the city grew from 1850-1950, Philadelphia became a quilt of neighborhoods -- precisely because those neighborhoods were built around factories that were a source of both jobs and social conhesion. Some of those plants made well-known consumer goods -- remember Stetson Hats (I don't. but...) -- but a lot of them made what you would call "widgets." In other words, nothing like peanut-butter cupcakes, but rather gears and valves and chemicals that made them work -- things that weren't "cute" but where the very spine of what for a time was the greatest industrial power the world has ever known. Philadelphians identified with what they made, not with what we stuffed down our gullets. Pulling so many of those plants from so many Philly neighborhoods was to yank the very Jenga block that held it all together -- again and again and again.///
The entire idea behind this paragraph was lifted from an article that appeared in the Daily News/Inky within the last, what, week or so. Way to give credit. - Love 'em and still buy them. Although not at the price I paid in my youth. We would buy Butterscotch Krimpets for 12 cents. What is killing these guys and even Entemanns is the in-store bakery. Entemanns originally took a big bite out of Tastykake and now the in-store bakery is doing the same to them. It wasnt that long ago when supermarkets would devote an entire end cap to either one.
— Les Ismore - Philly pretzels are not high fat food items. And Tastykakes were, quite frankly, better back when they were made with lard. But still - I'm going to do my part. A Tastykake a day from now on.— amaze
- Simple reason for the passion. Tastykakes have been "a part of me" for the last 56 years!!!— gakski
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- The thing about this blog is that liberals have the humanity to care and the conservatives are too ignorant to do anything but criticize. It's sad to see ACME closing stores and I hope it works out for all the workers. As long as we elect Republicans to any office, businesses will continue to fail regularly.— HandNik
- Incredible! Gotta luv the risible hubris posted here. — junethe4th
- Emoting like a child on a blog is what you call humanity nowadays? — RG
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- Heck, failure is all part of the free market's darwinian game, remember? Of course businesses will fail regularly under Republicans. And yet they'll blossom again even brighter on the other side of the globe. Ain't it wonderful?
- Typical Bunch garbage. [[but the lion's share of the blame belongs where it usually does, with dumb corporate management, blitzed by Wegman's on the strong side and Pathmark on the weak side.]] It's called competition. As far as why these types of jobs have went away, Bunch forgets to mention, City Wage Tax, Business Privilege Tax, anti-business climate in city hall, lousy city services (call city hall and try to get a question answered), Unions, un-skilled and not responsible work force. For some reason people don't like to show up and put in a days work for a days pay around here.— puddydawg
- Bush3 - right on. This is clearly Michelle Obama's fault. I mean think about it...Tastycake's been around for 97 years. And just two years after Michelle fist bumps her way into office, Tastycake is going out of business. Just about the same time my gout started acting up - that b**ch!
- I am sure the first lady's war on baked good has no impact on Tastycake's business. Maybe the Presdient should come to Philly, and visit the factory, and eat some of the goodies. Maybe they could take some of the re-paid bailout money from GM...Govie Cakes!— Bush3
- Will - another well written post. Hopefully Americans will wake up and demand change before all our working and middle class jobs are exported. Unemployment is at 10% but corporate profits are at an all time high and the DOW hit a three year high last week. Somebody's making big bucks...its just not the working and middle classes. Wake up people. Americans cannot exist with wealth distributed into the hands of the few at the expense of the whole.— slanted and enchanted
- You should start a bakery paying high wages to the former Tasty Baking employees, keeping no profit for yourself. Market it with your self-righteous do-gooderism, and other fruitcakes will buy your fruitcakes. That's sustainable!
— Mr. Smith - What a positive solution you have there Smith! — phillyphorever516
Man, losing Tastykake is Philly sacrilege! BTW, J H, if you're going to criticize Will, at least be interesting. Lame, lame, lame.— Hamlet- "I want to be as clear as I can here: I'm not criticizing Ronnie Polaneczky for this column" -- no, Will, you are clearly criticizing Ms. Polaneczky. And while we're at it, why does your headline say "Daily News will save your job," when it's really just Ms. Polaneczky's column that made the point? Should we thus similarly assume that the entire Daily News is as biased as its "Attytood" blogger?— J H
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