I've heard former CIA man Michael Scheuer before on the Michael Smerconish Show and elsewhere, and I recall that he seemed at first to hail from the Sensible Party in our national security community. But like a lot of folks these days he's now swimming in the deep end of the pool:
Yesterday, Glenn Beck guest and former CIA official Michael Scheuer openly hoped for a terrorist attack on the United States, saying, "the only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States...It's an absurd situation again, only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary." Beck nodded solemnly.
This is the same Michael Scheuer who, a few months ago, played patriotism police arguing that anyone who didn't support the United States using torture to interrogate terrorist suspects was anti-American...now he's begging for a terrorist attack on the United States. This is a pretty awesome example of how the right conflates their political interests with the interests of the country as a whole. If there's no terrorist attack, then Americans are safe. But Scheuer can't be right if there's no terrorist attack. And Scheuer being right is actually more important than Americans staying alive.
Exactly. There are so many off-base assumptions here -- that things that people don't like about our government right now are worse than the slaughter of 3,000 innocent Americans, that only "as much violence as necessary" prevents more terrorism (see how this is being re-thought in Afghanistan). That Glenn Beck didn't jump up and object to Scheuer's remarks is telling, yet also not surprising. Sadly, this kind of thinking found its way into my own newspaper a couple of years ago. It was horribly wrong then, and it's horrible wrong now.
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What, are you nut's? Who in the world, or in their "right mind", would consider such an unpatriotic move as to allow anything to happen to this great country?
Yet people say those who feel 9/11 was an inside job are conspiracy theorist whackos in tin foil hats. This guy is part of the same CIA that once put together a plan to hijack a US plane, crash it at sea and blame Cuba. Bottom line is there are scary, powerful people out there who will stop at nothing to manipulate events in ways that benefit them (usually financially).
junethe4th- They (Under Clinton's watch) also caught the evil-doers. Just sayin'.
LJL, you are wrong! The first attack on the WTC took place under Clinton's watch.
Glenn Beck, a failed past, much like his hero Rush. Bad marriage, booze issue, from fanatic to born again. Its a pattern and sad to say, many folks buy in to this self absorbed jerk.
[Posted by VanessaJ 02:51 AM, 07/02/2009
bpphilly > Let me guess....You are either a hillbilly or a Jesus freak? Go away and play with your guns and bible!] So at 2:51 AM, while still pounding your 40 of Old E, you prove my point. Thanks, idiot.
....the REALLY funny thing is the only muslim attack on U.S. soil took place under the GOP watch. We'll get attacked again - when the GOP controls things. Just like last time.
If you leave it up to these idiot conservative talking heads and the brain-dead morons who follow them, they'd still be fighting the japs and nazis. These dopes need a boogeyman to occupy themselves or else they'd be spending all their time in sexual escapades in bathrooms and foreign countries. What a pathetic group of slugs. Can you imagine the outcry from Rush Limberger and his ilk if any BUT a conservative loon made such a stupid comment? The GOP - two elections away from extinction...an extinction they are working very hard to attain. What a joke.
Will you really need to be more topical in your blogs. For instance, yesterday's completely phony town hall meeting the president had with hand picked cronies of the DNC. What a STAGED PHONY event. "The president called randomly on three audience members. All turned out to be members of groups with close ties to his administration: the Service Employees International Union, Health Care for America Now, and Organizing for America, which is a part of the Democratic National Committee. White House officials said that was a coincidence." YEAH right. LIAR. Look into this in your spare time will you Wilbur?
Fox News Derangement Syndrome alive and well in Philly...
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Whitey-Right Winger is upset because they've finally lost their power. Period.
[Posted by VanessaJ 11:27 PM, 07/01/2009
Typical GOP war & fear mongering. The Neocons are a bunch of gun slinging, bible toting, hypocritcal, fascists, racist inbreds!] Let me guess....You reside in either West or North Philly? Go away, dope.
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This is why I don't watch FOX News, and neither should anyone else.
i wish we would unite like we did after 9/11
Why is the former Surgeon General posing as a CIA agent?
'Remember when liberals had to shut up after 9/11? Yeah, we need another 9/11 for liberals to shut up again' is the basic gist of this. I didn't want my government 'protecting' me then and I don't want them to do it now. How do I get them to stop that?
Kill! Kill! Kill for peace!
Holy taken out of context Batman!
the way the Dems are running things, Osama just needs to wait it out....cuz we are going to be bankrupt pretty soon.
Ok, I'll try to not use big words so morons like Will (aka TPS) and their ilk can understand. I watched the clip and the point I took away was that the "peace at any cost, kumbya,conflict resolution crowd" think that because Bambam's heart is pure, he can sit down and work all this out. Pure nonsense. These people look at him and see weakness. His point was (before you mental midgets started spinning your own meaning) is that the collective American mind has forgotten 9-11, and only another attack will bring you left wing lunatics back to the reality that they want us dead. D-E-A-D dead. He was not, say it slowly, not wishing another attack. Only a hate filled liberal would derive that from the clip.No amount of chanting,meditating or sending good vibes in their direction will change that. Grow up! ps. If somerhing does happen (and I pray nightly it won't) somehow it will be Bush or Reagans fault.Right Will?
Should be prosecuted for treason.
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I feel another "event" coming, and we don't need Osama to do it.
to comrade xi..."if you have something to say have a point..it's so much more interesting for the listener." hahaha plains, trains, and automobiles line - well done.
Will - NOBODY WANTS TO READ YOUR BOOK, so TEAR DOWN THIS AD. Get over it and move to guantanamo to ensure that the terrorists are getting plenty of delicious, "non-bland food" and are not made to "sit in stressful positions". idiot.
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chasing entitlements. commenting from some battlefield in Afghanistan no doubt cause he joined up right after 9/11, right?.....hey dummy, i wasn't asking about your father or your brother, i was asking about you. why aren't you over there? and as i have shared many times on this blog, my cousin was killed in iraq in august of 2006. have some class pussbag.
You know, TPS, to be fair, I really didn't do a good job of being a messenger, since I didn't provide a link to Ms. Thomas and the gratingly annoying Gibbs. My bad. Here you go: http://www.breitbart.tv/white-house-reporters-grill-gibbs-over-selected-questions-for-obama/
cgsnipe77 - I am certainly no MJ fan (see my post lastb week if you'd like proof) but how do Kendra and Billy Mays get labeled as "celebrities" worthy of being mentioned in the same breathe??? Only in America!!! (BTW you forgot about Ed McMahon already)
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"your "just the messenger" disingenuity" I was passing along a story about a little old lady laying into the White House press secretary about this issue. I was the messenger.
---}}} Thank you for acknowledging that this was a prop for Obama; {{{--- Press conferences are used by administrations as props, Vandy. The question itself was no different than any question in that regard. In point of fact, however, it was probably one of the more interesting and useful questions that have ever been asked at a news conference. It is ridiculous that you would be wining about a question being asked by someone in a country amidst turmoil, a country that is a hot subject for debates about the influence of American foreign policy. But I do want to thank you for your "just the messenger" disingenuity. You really had us thinking for a minute that it wasn't really a point that you were trying to make - and that it was only your deep empathy for the concerns of the MSM that was motivating you. LOL! Nice accountability, Vandy.
"As if this was the first time that a press conference was being used "as a prop for the administration's purposes." Thank you for acknowledging that this was a prop for Obama; that's all I needed.
---}}} all of whom rightly expect that it isn't being used as a prop for the administration's purposes. {{{--- LOL! As if this was the first time that a press conference was being used "as a prop for the administration's purposes." And the question was a good question. As you know, neither Obama nor the HuffPo arranged to have a particular question asked, and in fact, the question was a pretty good one - which to some degree served the purpose of having the public be better informed (of course if would have served that purpose better had Obama actually answered the question instead of ducking it. But when have you ever seen an American president actually answer a question at a press conference?). Press conferences always have, and always will, have orchestrated elements. But your faux outrage is duly noted, Vandy, as it is in virtually any post you make at Attytood.
" None of these keyboard commandos had the stones to join the fight in Iraq because they were fighting their own war on will's blog. Pathetic." You know chasing you have been very supportive of Obama's policies in Afghanistan and Pakistan so I am certain you are willing to help out. Somehow I'm guessing NE Philly for you so here is the address/number you need - 2383 Cottman Ave # 3, Philadelphia, PA 19149-1009, (215) 338-1506
"do you even know what accountability measn" I don't know what it measn, but I do know what it means. The President is accountable to those who voted for him based on his campaign pledges. The press is accountable to its readers/viewers, all of whom rightly expect that it isn't being used as a prop for the administration's purposes. Ever read Howard Fineman? Hardly a "right-wing nutjob": "Another case: the cheesy way in which the White House used a presidential press conference to choreograph a question from Iran that had been solicited by a Huffington Post editor who was invited specifically for the purpose of passing on the question. Pretty cool, and it emphasized the point that America stands for free speech while the mullahs are snuffing it in Iran. Except that Obama, his aides and the reporter semi-pretended that the move wasn't scripted, which insulted everyone's intelligence. Worse, the Obamaneuver treated the press corps as a prop in a global propaganda war."
"living vicariously thru their anonymous Attytood persona."....Hey, if I could go through Real Life with people calling me Captain Awesome, I would!
Yeah, right Vandy. "Just the messenger." Just curious - do you even know what accountability measn, Vandy?
"Staged Iran question? Man, you guys really are desperate, aren't you? " Just the messenger on this one, TPS. You can direct your anger toward Helen Thomas, who grilled Gibbs today on that issue.
LOL, birdie. So, I do agree that the rants at Attytood are of no real significance. But beyond that, key Republican figures were all over the airwaves saying that "libz" were more concerned about the "feelings of terrorists" than they were in protecting Americans - and that that "libz" were more concerned with a domestic political agenda (damaging Bush's popularity) than they were with American security. It is illogical, at face value, to suggest that anyone, "libz" or people like Sheuer WANTS to have their friends and families die in terrorist attacks - although I would make exceptions for lunatics like Beck. And batboy.
Staged Iran question? Man, you guys really are desperate, aren't you? I loved the EPA nonsense (the claims that the EPA was "ignoring" a report on climate change, full of disproven science, written by an economist. batboy even went so far as to laughably claim that the EPA was simultaneously taking a position of AGW denial even as it was "ignoring" the memo). Now you're soooo concerned because Obama's people "staged a question" asked of him by an Iranian - and ignoring the fact that it was a very good question. Next you'll be complaining about something as irrelevant as whether Obama uses a teleprompter. Oh. Wait.
"Attytood was full of such claims on a daily basis" ...TPS I don't consider the rants on here to be anything of consequence (mine included). So your point is any one posting such a statement on Attytood proves pagoda's statement even though some people on here are clearly just living vicariously thru their anonymous
Attytood persona.
Anyone see dear, sweet Helen Thomas ripping into Robert Gibbs today over the staged Iran question? It was apparently priceless.
chasing entitlements. commenting from some battlefield in Afghanistan no doubt cause he joined up right after 9/11, right? hey d-bag, my father fought and bled in Korea and my brother is killing these savages right now. some of us have to remain on the home front to subsidize you insatiable parasitic liberals with all your free stuff you demand from the productive classes.
---}}} As to rightwingers saying that left wing loons were praying for an attack blah, blah, blah I never heard such a thing can you be more specific? {{{--- LOL! Post of the day, birdie. Where were you for the last few years - in a cave in Afghanistan? Attytood was full of such claims on a daily basis. In a similar vein, key members of the Republican Party were claiming that "libz" were more concerned about undermining Bush's political support than they were about defending America against terrorists.
Gotta say - it makes no more sense to believe that Scheuer WANTS Americans to die in attacks than it did for far-right lunatics to claim that "libz" wanted their friends and families to die in terrorist attacks just to make Bush look bad. I mean, clearly, Scheuer's logic is twisted beyond any recognition: to say that only OBL could launch an attack that would get Americans to take their security seriously enough ignores the obvious reality that OBL hasn't launched such an attack BECAUSE HE CAN'T - because Americans routed him in Afghanistan (although, due to Bush's insane decision to invade Iraq, he and his comrades were left to reconstitute the Taliban and AQ). What is Scheuer's point? He has none other than whip up hysteria. Scheuer's inane statement also ignores the reality that attacks would come sources other than OBL as well, if American (and international) security wasn't preventing such attacks. Does Scheuer really think that we haven't been attacked since 9/11 simply because there's no one out that that might have wanted to do so? What I also love is that Beck said that the reason why OBL isn't attacking us is because he's afraid that it would rile up Americans to take their defense seriously - yet no doubt Beck would deny that America invading Iraq had the detrimental effect of solidifying support for AQ and undermining support for America - as virtually any intelligence expert has been saying for years.
Your correct pagoda, I misspoke. Would Bunch care about what was said if the same guy said the same thing on CNN or MSNBC?? As to rightwingers saying that left wing loons were praying for an attack blah, blah, blah I never heard such a thing can you be more specific? Besides, this guy isn't hoping for an attack to credit or discredit anyone he is IMHO stating that we have fallen back into a pre 9/11 mindset - and if you doubt that listen to the complaints anytime you go any place with increased security.
What Xi means is that he wants other people to fight to win.Typical neocon chickenhawk point of view. He will fight to the last drop of somebody else's blood.....Amen. None of these keyboard commandos had the stones to join the fight in Iraq because they were fighting their own war on will's blog. Pathetic.
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Would this be news if the same person said the same thing on CNN or MSNBC? I'm sorry Bird, wasn't this in the blog section? You give these blogs too much credit. Oh and was it "news" when just a few months ago the rightwingers were accusing the left of praying for an attack, you know, to prove Bush wasn't protecting us? If Madow or Oberman nodded agreeingly like Beck did, you guys would be crying treason all over these blogs, even if the blog subject was puppy mills.
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It is downright dishonest (or totally stupid) to interpret Scheur's and Beck's remarks as a call for a terrorist strike against the USA.
I thought it was interesting that unThink could get away with that blatent profanity as well. Why are left wing Democrats such potty mouths?
Windtalkers?
Really, I thought the military had some sort of code.
"Is there any structure in palce to deal with this outrage?" Yep...call your local senator (Kerry) or representative (Murtha), have him make some outrageous anti-military statements condemning our troops, then when it turns out that the congressman was incorrect in his condemnation, make sure that you don't hold his feet to the fire.
More "robust debate" from Iran: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-289285
Oh Please, stop with the politics and GOP and Dems. This is an establishment view, shared by both GOP and Dems. Beck and Franken are idealogical equals. They play this game to deflect the attention of the American people from what is really going on. The NWO. That, my friends is the reality. Stop already with politics. It is no longer relevant. The NWO puts out people like these to discuss this stuff in the media in order to get people used to hearing that these are the only choices they have. It is making Americans even more willing than ever to surrender their precious rights and freedom for "security." Don't buy!!!!!! Get informed, turn off propaganda TV and read something.
Our guys purposely terroize kids and fmailies? Is there any structure in palce to deal with this outrage?
"Think we can get them to wear jerseys that say 'terrorists'?" Kinda like our guys do (well, we call them uniforms, not jerseys) while they are terrorizing families and killing innocent women and children in the middle of the night, right RG?
"Sooner or later our enemies will act on this weakness and Americans will be back to post 9/11 rage, a rage that wanted to kill any and all American enemies." If only they'd just identify themselves as such. Think we can get them to wear jerseys that say "terrorists"?
"Even Scheuer has stated that the invasion of Iraq played right into OBL's hands." Guess he wasn't a right wing loon who hates Americans on the day he made that statement, hmmmmm?
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"What is the point of "news" if the newspeople let falsehoods go unchallenged" like keeping unemployment under 8%????
Would this be news if the same person said the same thing on CNN or MSNBC?
Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed....because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.
What Xi means is that he wants other people to fight to win.Typical neocon chickenhawk point of view. He will fight to the last drop of somebody else's blood.
Will Bunch - Tear Down this Myth - #30,440 in Books/Glenn Beck - Common Sense - #1 in Books: Amazon.com
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As long as you all keep chanting 'right' or 'left' instead of CENTER, then nothing will ever get solved. How about we become ONE instead of divided all the time?
"Remember you have to be lucky all the time the terrorists only have to be lucky once ." . . . . . And man, were the terrorists ever lucky that Boy George was President on 9/11. Even Scheuer has stated that the invasion of Iraq played right into OBL's hands.
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Tatts do you watch news or do you just market far-left talking points? The problem with freedom of speech... are you kidding me? The news right now is not news at all. It is a forum to promote President Obama's policies. It is disgusting. It is unethical, it is wrong! Glen Beck does not want this country to be attacked. Perhaps you should comprehend and think before you speak. It is obvious to any rational person. Right now the USA is sitting on its back side trying to make the rest of the world like us, while we do that, we continue to grow weaker. Sooner or later our enemies will act on this weakness and Americans will be back to post 9/11 rage, a rage that wanted to kill any and all American enemies.
They should send that guy to a philly.com concentration camp.
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The fact is war is and always will be the ultimate contact sport , war is not like it is on tv . The whole idea is to kill as many of the opposite team as possible while minimizing your own losses .
The whole point of this thread is what ? I have seen Sheuer on tv many times , he strikes me as an honest man and deeply patriotic , I beleive what he was trying to say is Americans have relaxed far to much over security since 9/11 . Remember you have to be lucky all the time the terrorists only have to be lucky once .
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Is there no one at Fox holding staffers accountable for these kinds of actions? The problem with freedom of speech is that you have to let everyone talk. But you don't have to give them a forum, and you don't have to let your hosts agree with them when they say such outrageous things. What is the point of "news" if the newspeople let falsehoods go unchallenged and give loonies the podium while not calling them on their lunacy? Roger Ailes needs to be fired!
"The most important rule of war is to"-kill enough of them & they stop fighting.-Curtis LeMay.One of the three best things LeMay ever said.
Bunch, you need a new job. I know you are good at hating Republicans and Fox news but come on, enough is enough! I doubt Fox News advocates another attack. I think the point of the piece, which obviously eluded you is the country is so relaxed now, the country is in a pre- 9/11 mindset and that is the mind set that will get us attacked. Try comprehending something first before you comment
"The most important rule of war is to _ _ _". Not harm Mother Nature?
No surprise here. The rightists aren't patriots, their idealogues. They would rather see the people of this country harmed than accept defeat.
"The most important rule of war is to _ _ _". (Fill in the blank)"..."No b@stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb b@astard die for his country."-General Patton
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I think Will is saying that arguing there are "things that people don't like about our government right now are worse than the slaughter of 3,000 innocent Americans" IS one of the off base assumptions.
The real point is Glenn Beck's nod. He had the ability to say he understands the thought process but this type of extreme thinking weakens their position. Glenn Beck needs to be "crazy" otherwise he'd be Sean Hannity. Sadly, many many Americans see Glenn as quite credible. Getting a national audience on Fox TV has pulled him so far to the right you can see him out your left eye.
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bunch, would you mind listing all the "things that people don't like about our government right now" that are actually worse than the slaughter of 3,000 innocent Americans? I'd love to see how the moonbat mind processes these kinds of things. Thanks and looking forward to it.
Only the morons on the right would think they only way to take radical extremism seriously is an attack by AQ. Seems to me Obama is taking it seriously be winding down Iraq and redeploying troops to combat AQ in Afghanistan. It only took the neocons 6 years and trillions of dollars later to finally get it.
"There are so many off-base assumptions here -- that things that people don't like about our government right now are worse than the slaughter of 3,000 innocent Americans..." Yep, terrorist concerns are more important to bunch than the slaughter of 3,000 Americans. But don't dare question the imbecile's patriotism. This one is an all-timer bunch. Your true colors (yellow) are on display for all to see. Cue the Sloth to cry "toady", "ART" and "BWAACCCKKKK" in bunch's defense.
Scheuer is an extremist; I don't agree with his statement. My question for Will and the board is this: what office has he ever been elected to? I mean, everyone here is jumping on this as if his statement somehow represents that of an entire political party (heck, even Cheney demanded an apology when accused of this sort of view) when this guy is in actuality a career CIA guy who was put in charge of the Bin Laden group during the Clinton administration in 1996. Boca and Think both slammed the GOP in their posts despite the FACT that his statements are not supported by the party. Seriously, how is that objective on your part? He is NOT a Republican officeholder espousing any formal part of a platform; he is a gentleman speaking for himself.
Think for myself: I seem to remember the left keeping a running total of the dead in Iraq up until the surge, when the death tally slowed dramatically, and it no longer benefited the libs politically. As far as our safety goes, as long as Obama keeps the anti-terror policies of the Bush administration in place (which he has, for the most part), we should be protected just fine.
Scheuer is clearly wrong. Even that kind of attack wouldn't prompt Dear Leader to do whatever is necessary to protect the American people. I suspect such an attack would prompt an apology from Dear Leader to bin laden and, of course, more blaming of Bush for Dear Leader's failures.
Isn't Scheuer being ironic here? Scheuer knows we dropped the ball after 9/11 by invading Iraq rather than putting all our muscle into catching bin Laden. Iraq drained the American spirit for justice as much as it drained manpower and treasure. Would we be willing now to draft a half million soldiers and send them to Afghanistan/Pakistan to do the job right, unless we were attacked again?
What will it take for fruitcakes like Bunch and those Media Matters colostomies to advocate taking Islamic extremism seriously? Sadly, it will take another attack on US soil. This is the absurdity of which Sheuer speaks.
Who reads this drivel?....obviously you!
"Naturally the common people don't want war... That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
----Hermann Goering, Nazi, President of the Reichstag, Hitler's designated successor, the second man in the Third Reich
Who reads this drivel? Buchy's just mad because Glenn Beck has his own TV show, a highly rated radio show, and a couple of best selling books. Much unlike his anti-Reagan book that no sane person has read..jealous much?
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The GOP, the party of "Hate America First".
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