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Monday, August 25, 2008

 

My guestimate was that it would take about 48 hours for this story to come out. And here it is, right on schedule:

During the years that Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. was helping the credit card industry win passage of a law making it harder for consumers to file for bankruptcy protection, his son had a consulting agreement that lasted five years with one of the largest companies pushing for the changes, aides to Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign acknowledged Sunday.

In other words, when Biden gets up there and talks poignantly about the typical American family sitting around the kitchen table late at night worrying how to pay its bills, and then twists the dagger on John McCain's seven kitchen tables, it's a great line politically. but....

It's a total crock, and Biden ought to be embarassed. The sad truth is that Biden not only supported but aggressively pushed for a conservative, anti-working class bill that made life a lot harder for that family that he talked about. Here's a little of the background:

The financial services industry began seeking relief from Congress in the mid-1990s from an increase in bankruptcies that was cutting into its profits. Its initial support came from Republican lawmakers, who repeatedly introduced bills to make it more difficult for consumers to erase their debts. During that time, executives at MBNA, which was bought in 2006 by Bank of America, began donating heavily to both major political parties and many national politicians, including Mr. Biden.

And:

Consumer advocates say that Senator Biden was one of the first Democratic leaders to support the bankruptcy bill, and he voted for it four times — in 1998, 2000, 2001 and in March 2005, when its final version passed the Senate by a vote of 74 to 25.

Travis Plunkett, legislative director of the Consumer Federation of America, a consumer group that opposed the bill, said that Senator Biden had provided a “veneer of bipartisanship” that eventually helped the credit card companies win over other Democrats. “He provided cover to other Democrats to do what the credit industry was urging them to do,” Mr. Plunkett said.

Making this even worse, as the story emphasizes, is that Biden's son Hunter was signed up by the company in a lucrative lobbying deal. On the surface, that really stinks -- but watching these things unfold over the years, I predict that Hunter Biden is probably just another candidate for the Sleazy Relatives Hall of Fame, a long list that includes neer-do-wells in both parties like Roger Clinton, Neil Bush, Billy Carter and Donald Nixon, and these usually only cause minor collatoral damage.

Of course, Delaware is also the credit-card capital of the world, and so you can make the case that this is another example of another fine political tradition -- supporting the big-money interests (and, yes, employers) in your home state over the broader interest of people in all 50 states. That was arguably sort-of OK, maybe, when Biden was just a Delaware guy, but now he's got to explain his bankruptcy vote to families around the kitchen table in places like the hard-hit Mon Valley or California's Central Valley. Good luck with that.

So why would Obama go ahead and pick someone with this kind of baggage? The answer is simple: The Republicans can't attack Biden on this issue, because their record is even worse. John McCain voted for this same sad sop to corporate America (Obama opposed it) and as the Times article notes, executives at MBNA (which has since been bought by Bank of America) were even more enthusiastic about supporting George W. Bush than backing Biden.

Can you imagine a negative ad with satanic music, grainy slow motion shots of Biden, and a narrator saying: "Joe Biden: Sleazy Tool of the Same Corporate Interests That We Support 100 Percent of the Time"? Of course not -- they can't attack Biden for backing something that McCain and Bush also supported. It just means that now Obama, who was on the people's side on this one, now won't be able to hit this issue as hard as he could.

No wonder the greatest enthusiam for Biden is not from party activists but from the usual chattering classes in D.C. As Glenn Greenwald wrote:

Ever since it became clear that Obama would be the likely nominee, the political establishment has been demanding of him more and more proof that his "change" rhetoric is just that -- rhetoric, and not anything meant as a genuine threat to the prevailing order of things. Obama, arguably out of political necessity, has repeatedly obliged, eagerly trying to offer proof that he is no threat to them, and the Biden selection is but the latest step in that campaign of reassurance. In sum, Biden is a reliable supporter of virtually every prevailing bit of conventional wisdom within the American elite political consensus, which is why his selection has been widely praised by the establishment, whose principal concern is that their fiefdom not be disrupted and that their consensus not be challenged.

The bottom line is that Biden's shameless kowtowing to the credit card companies won't hurt him or Barack Obama. The only ones getting hurt are you and me, and that poor struggling family at the kitchen table.

Posted by Will Bunch @ 9:35 AM  Permalink | 69 comments
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Posted 04:29 PM, 08/25/2008
GHOSTPHAYCE
b.atkinson, you are just the type of idiot that really scares the majority of young people in the U.S. I bet you a religous man with "strong values". Stop fooling yourself, that fact that americans embrace religion like no other civilized nation is beyond embarassing. Many of our founding fathers realized the foolishness and danger of organized religion and a belief in god. Go to non-religous.com and get the facts.
Posted 04:27 PM, 08/25/2008
bird11
Am I just tired or is Will schizophrenic? It is horrible that Biden supported this bill, it is unethical that Biden's son actually profitted from lobbying his own father, Obama is sending out signals that he is not really about change - but he is still Will's candidate because...............WFT?
Posted 04:25 PM, 08/25/2008
hejira33312
The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators,John McCain (R-AZ), Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB). After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment". All five of the senators involved served out their terms. Only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election, and they were both re-elected.
Posted 04:23 PM, 08/25/2008
bobcitydoc
So, why would it not be prudent for the Republicans to attack Obama on this? The country expects the Republicans to be money hungry louts, they sort of hold Democrats to a higher standard (the standard that democrats have told us to hold them to). Bigger question, why does any of this pre-power posturing matter? Didn't we hear from GW Bush during his first campaign that he was a uniter. Once they get elected the politics of the governing dynamic replaces whatever opportunistic rhetoric utilized in support of the electoral logic. And in both Clinton and Bush's case, that logic got more conservative. So, we keep getting pushed further into conservative ideology, no matter who wins, the only real difference is whose team of special interests gets rewarded for helping said cause. And this is what historians will point to when they write the book on the end of the US Dynasty (as they have every dynasty) that it failed to hold up under an ever burgeoning set of symbolic political contradictions.
Posted 04:17 PM, 08/25/2008
GHOSTPHAYCE
You can dig up dirt on anyone in politics and throw it around whenever you want. That's why so many people are turned off by this system. Obama is a real chance for this country to switch directions and start reparing the incredible damage that Bush has done. It's going to be a very sad day if the ederly and rural poor boost 71 year-old John McCain into office. It will really alienate the youth who are future of this country at the worst possible time.
Posted 04:03 PM, 08/25/2008
barkleyg
Talking about family trees, such as Cindy's above, Prescott Bush, George W. Bush's grandfather, was busted in 1942(?) for being the last NAZI banker in America. That's a family tree I would be proud of(NOT)!
Posted 04:01 PM, 08/25/2008
kr1spy
Why is this surprising? Most major credit card companies have their main offices in Delware. Biden, a senator from Delaware, was actually voting for something that his state wanted him to vote for.
Posted 03:57 PM, 08/25/2008
barkleyg
"Jim Hensley and his brother Eugene went to work after World War II for Kemper Marley, a wealthy wholesale liquor distributor. Marley, in fact, had once been a bookie, getting his start working for the Transamerica Wire Service, a betting service established by mafiosi Gus Greenbaum (who was murdered with his wife when their throats were slashed in bed in 1958). Until 1947, liquor was rationed by the government. Apparently Marley did quite well in spite of the restrictions, and in 1948 the reason why became clear. Eugene and Jim Hensley were convicted of falsifying records on behalf of Marley’s distributorship, United Liquor (along with fifty other Marley employees) to conceal the illegal distribution of hundreds of cases of liquor. Jim Hensley got a six month suspended sentence. In 1953, Jim Hensley, then the General Manager for United Liquor, was once more charged for doing the same thing again. Marley paid for top notch legal representation though (future Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist.) Hensley still went to prison, but took the fall when the rest of the company was cleared. According to an article in American Mafia.com, Marley rewarded Hensley for his loyalty to the organization: When Hensley strolled out of the joint, Marley bought his silence with a lucrative Phoenix-based Budweiser beer distributorship. http://tiodt.blogspot.com/2006/12/married-to-mob.html Transamerica Wire Service set off all kinds of bells for me: At one point Marley served as Chairman of the Board of the Valley National Bank. When Bugsy Siegel, on instructions from Meyer Lansky, built the FLAMINGO CLUB, Las Vegas's first casino, the money was borrowed from the Valley National Bank. Involvements in narcotics trafficking on the part of Valley National Bank are hinted in the ARIZONA PROJECT. http://2164th.blogspot.com/2008/04/pakistan-rethinking-...
Posted 03:45 PM, 08/25/2008
MsShel330
I guess you don't know that MBNA no longer exists, it's Bank of America. I guess you also don't know that, since Delaware is the first State, it's a lot older than either of those banks or the Dupont Company for that matter.
Posted 03:25 PM, 08/25/2008
barkleyg
I stopped reading conservative blogs after 2006, and reading the comments here by obvious Republican commentators, they still live in an alternative reality. I posted a better opinion earlier, but I want to see how much quieter I have to get to get published.
Posted 03:16 PM, 08/25/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
Archimedes, so we agree. You just pick and choose the comments you like to hear and give then new meanings when appropriate. I've seen lots of people in 7-11 and DD that come from all types of backgrounds. Clarence Thomas has been a great Justice and the fact that he's black has nothing to do with it. But if you think that's accurate, I think that speaks volumes for you character; you racist. Obama is unprepared and incapable to be president. He no experience, he's an empty suit that gives a great prepared speech when reading a teleprompter. He's never made a tough decision, he's totally wrong on energy, security, and on economics. He has way too many radical associations and said too many gaffes to think he has good judgement. He wouldn't criminalize murdering a child (leaving them to die) after being born, even though they survived an abortion. He's never made a million dollar deal, he's never had to make a decision that lots of people lose their jobs, he's never been an executive of anything, he doesn't take a stand for anything; he just votes "present". He never served as a mayor, governor or in the military. He looks down on the "blue-collar" folks, you know us gun-clinging, bible-thumpers. He uses race to split Americans apart and make any criticism against him racist. Remeber when he said, "...did I mention he was black", and "...don't look like those guys on the dollar bills." I could go on and on but you and everyone else should get the point.
Posted 03:12 PM, 08/25/2008
bon
Gibba Mang: Here is what you wrote: "Why won't Cindy McShame release her tax returns? Hmmmm....now we know!" Well, since she has released her tax returns for 2007, you were wrong. Now you have changed the statement to demanding the last 6 years of tax returns. Why such an arbitrary number? (Why not the last 40 years?) Your demands do not make a great deal of sense. They are a transparent attempt to find a way to quibble with Cindy McCain's finances. (With an out-of-left-field attack on her battle with addiction tagged on at the end. Classy.)
Posted 02:59 PM, 08/25/2008
Peter of Manassas
Biden and Obama went to virtually the same schools, and have the same elite attitudes. Both have a fuzzy relationship with the truth with fictional characters for autobiographies, purloined speeches from other sources not their own. Both are very bright and given to endless seminars. Then, we have challenges to the validity of Obama's birth certificate. This all makes one feel really great about this election?
Posted 02:38 PM, 08/25/2008
elassiter
This is a none issue. I supported the idea of this bill, primarily because people should be held accountable for the credit card debt they accrue. You had a number of people that were using BK's specifically as a tool to escape responsibility. Credit cards are not as complex as home loans so it's not like these people didn't understand what they were doing. Having said that, I am not a fan of credit card companies by any means but as a senator, I would have supported this idea in some form.
Posted 02:26 PM, 08/25/2008
b.atkinson
"It struck me that Biden's comments are outrageous only because they are true but not politically correct to say in public. I can support someone who isn't afraid to say publicly what nearly everyone says privately..." Millions of racists agree with you.
Posted 02:19 PM, 08/25/2008
Archimedes
As I was reading the comments of ThelastRepublicaninPhilly (would that it were true), viz "Biden has some real gaffes like "You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent" - Biden. "I think that the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black. I don't believe he could have won had he been white." - Biden. Biden said he didn't think Obama was ready to be president, saying it's "not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." Biden also referred to Obama as "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean." " It struck me that Biden's comments are outrageous only because they are true but not politically correct to say in public. I can support someone who isn't afraid to say publicly what nearly everyone says privately--although I think Biden did not tell the full story about whether Obama is ready to be president. Actually Bill Clinton, speaking a Biden-like true statement that immediately provoked a backlash, was correct in saying that no one is every prepared to be president.
Posted 01:58 PM, 08/25/2008
db_cooper
Good read if anyone is interested: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2008135616_sirota25.html The pathology of presidentialism "...As inflation hit crisis levels and the Russia-Georgia conflict inched the planet toward World War III, these "reporters" devoted a stunning 2,148 words to fact-free guesses about selections for vice-president — a position with no power and zero impact on ordinary people's lives."
Posted 01:33 PM, 08/25/2008
GreyHippie
Politburo: I guess I would start with requiring the same conflict of interest standards imposed on the Executive and Judicial. Don't get me wrong, I don't see it as a panacea - as soon as it's law some clever devil will figure out a way that totally violates the spirit but not the letter of the law. But we should try to prevent Congress from treating the US Treasury as their person ATM.
Posted 01:25 PM, 08/25/2008
Gibba Mang
I heard that BKLYNBOY was going to help Larry Craig "greet" the Republican delegates at the St. Paul men's room. Now THAT is Republican values.....lol
Posted 01:09 PM, 08/25/2008
SteveMG
It is ultimately the consumer who pays the costs of the bankrupt. Even though it may be personified by the evil credit card companies, the forgiven debts ultimately get paid for by other consumers. Will, are you the kind of driver who holds up ten cars behind you while you wave a car out of a driveway and pat yourself on the back?
Posted 01:08 PM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
Grey: You're right on that. However if you made recusal mandatory, you would setup a situation where no one could vote on certain bills, because the Congress deals with legislation that affects everyone. So where do you draw the line, then?
Posted 01:07 PM, 08/25/2008
BKLYNBOY
Oh these poor jealous stupid Democrats (read Gibba Mang)who just don't get it. Hey, Gibba-why don't you and the other dopes in your party outlaw alcohol altogether. Let us know how that works out. Or maybe you can ask Teddy Kennedy and his family of drunks who have PROFITED from their daddy's Seagram's deal. YOU are the idiot my friend. And speaking of Uncle Teddy, they are "honoring" him tonight. I wonder if Mary Jo's family will be there. Very brave that Teddy. Obama picks a credit card company stooge and the left wing of the party just SWALLOWS it. (the lefties are used to swallowing for their male friends anyway, right Gibba?????????
Posted 01:03 PM, 08/25/2008
Bush3
Nice to see the Dems finally feeding on one of their own!
Posted 12:56 PM, 08/25/2008
Gibba Mang
bon: Cindy only released her '07 returns dummy. What about that previous 6 years? Me thinks she has reason to hide those returns. What's also interesting is how she became wealthy is by her father's beer distributorship. While many people using alcohol are responsible, there is about 10-15% of the population that are addicted to alcohol. You would think that since Cindy has a serious drug abuse problem she would be more considerate. But that would be asking too much.
Posted 12:47 PM, 08/25/2008
GreyHippie
"That restriction is already in place, if not by law then via ethics rules (these should probably be laws, also)." It's not required of Congress people, it's strictly voluntary. I read a few months ago that the entire Montana Congressional delegation (OK, that's only 3 guys) stood to get cash payments in agricultural subsidies under the Farm Bill they all voted for.
Posted 12:35 PM, 08/25/2008
Janette
What is truth & Phillysub. Diddo! People should be held accountable for their own credit card debt. You bought it, you pay for it.
Posted 12:21 PM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
Grey: That restriction is already in place, if not by law then via ethics rules (these should probably be laws, also). For instance, McCain does not participate in any vote or action regarding alcohol.
Posted 12:16 PM, 08/25/2008
hejira33312
I worked at MBNA when the first Bush was running for the White House,his VP Dan Quayle came in for a meet and greet, us self identified Democratics were either given the day off or sequetered away so as not to embarass the bank. Wake up people Credit Card companies are not there to help anyone, they give cards out hoping you have problems, who else is going to pay , the people the pay their balances off every month? I don't think so~!
Posted 12:15 PM, 08/25/2008
bon
Politburo: I think a ban on lobbyists lobbying their relatives would survive a constitutional challenge. If the government can demonstrate that they have a compelling interest in curbing corruption, and that this is the only way to curb this particular corruption, they would win the case. The first argument would be the harder one to make, but I think it could be made. (The majority of campaign finance reform law survives on this premise.)
Posted 12:08 PM, 08/25/2008
Captain Awesome
Politburo: it isn't a silly anecdote at all. While you're right that some people pay balances in full or use cards that offer cash back on purchases, you can't tell me that everyone who uses a credit card for minor, day-to-day purchases like that are doing so for those things. If that was the case, there wouldn't need to be tighter consumer bankruptcy laws.
Posted 11:56 AM, 08/25/2008
BKLYNBOY
Who cares how much money Cindy inherited from her fathers' beer distributorship? I want to know why President Clinton won't reveal who donated to his Presidential library. That has more implications as to his past and present behavior that how many kitchen tables John can sit at. Yes Republicans can use Biden's vote against him. Obama and the liberals are the ones who were against the bill. All Old Joe did was agree with the Republicans. They aren't holding it against them, but the left wing should hold it against him and the capitulating, scared baby Barack and Forth empty suit neophyte and his $300,000 hospital diversity coordinator wife. HYPOCRITES to their own kind. Change/Experience = OXYMORON. Watch for the coming convention drop in the polls. Obama's first big decision and he blew it, BIG TIME.
Posted 11:56 AM, 08/25/2008
GreyHippie
You wouldn't be restricting lobbying or speech; you would be restricting the legislator from participating in a decision where he/she has a financial stake via their lobbyist family member (or more directly via their investments/ownership).
Posted 11:47 AM, 08/25/2008
deldog64
Glenn Greenwalds quote in this article is right on the money...not just for the Biden issue but all issues. Unfortuanalty there will be no real change in this nation just a bit of minor remodeling at best...This however is better than the Republicans seem to be willing to offer right now. In the end the working man is still screwed the only question is if they will use lube or not.
Posted 11:46 AM, 08/25/2008
swiggie
If anyone is really surprised by any of this they're political neophytes. Neither party gives a hoot about the little guy. This kitchen table rhetoric makes me sick. No one stays in the Senate for 36 years from the state where more business are "incorporated" than any other state in the country if they'e not in line step with these businesses. Delaware is the hub of banking activity and Biden has probably been the beneficiary of more of their cash from lobbying interests and quid pro quo from his son than most Senate members. He should take his hair plugs and phony capped teeth smile and go whip up a big pot of that Biden bs in one of his many kitchens. Try not to insult our intelligence for the rest of the campaign Joe. Thanks
Posted 11:41 AM, 08/25/2008
stop2think
So you are telling me that changing the law in the 1990's making it a bit more difficult (that is, more consequential) for a person to file bankruptcy and skirt his or her legal and moral obligations to pay their debts is anti-working family? In which way, I'd love to know. I was taught my debts were to be paid back, not erased by a judge so people can avoid their obligation. Of course, only a Daily News columnist would think that is anti-working family. It is the same crap arguement used by liberals to blame the mortgage industry for putting people in homes they could never afford in the first place. Any wonder why we are slipping from a nation of doers to a nation of whiners? It's always someone else fault, huh?
Posted 11:40 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
The key difference is that lobbying is speech. Getting a government contract or investing in some company isn't speech.
Posted 11:38 AM, 08/25/2008
davegas
Great Taste.....Less Filling
Posted 11:33 AM, 08/25/2008
GreyHippie
"OK.. but don't you agree that restricting people's activities based on what their relatives do isn't very fair?" But we do all the time with other branches of the government. The judicial and executive branches have requirements that officeholders divest them­selves of any investment in businesses that may be within the jurisdiction of their agency or court and there are under strict limits on the extent to which members of their immediate fami­lies may benefit directly from their position.
Posted 11:32 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
I don't think so.. lobbying is protected under the 1st, and I don't see why the Court would agree that the 1st amendment doesn't apply just because there is a familial relationship. If the GOP thinks the American public is going to accept the nuance of "but their finances are separate!", then by all means give it a shot... it really worked well in 2004 for the Dems.
Posted 11:28 AM, 08/25/2008
bon
Politburo: I think the campaign is ok with Cindy not releasing everything because it shines a spotlight on the fact that her and her husband's finances are separate. ----- You are right, of course. Any law that seriously restricts lobbying based upon who the lobbyist is related to would probably be unconstitutional. Still, at the very least, placing restrictions upon lobbying one's father or mother or son or daughter should have a compelling enough rationale to survive a constitutional challenge.
Posted 11:27 AM, 08/25/2008
what is truth?
Montani, Politboro etc., I am not saying the credit card companies are angels by any means. They push everything to the limit and beyond. But I guess the reason for my main take is that I learned long ago that "buyer beware" and "if it looks too good to be true it is" are more than just cliches. I know what the CC companies do - because I read their full disclosures, and have returned cards after reading things I didn't like. Those things are boring as hell - but they are not beyond comprehension. Earlier this year I ordered a card from a company based on their TV commercials and web site - seemed a good deal. Then I read the disclosures that came with the card and immediately cancelled. When I called to tell them (which of course I followed with a letter) I went through point and point how what they advertised was not reflected in the disclosure. They had no answer, of course (I didn't expect one). I guess what it comes down to is that people have to be responsible. In the end it is YOU who is accepting the card, or the loan, and YOU have to look out for yourself and know what you are getting into, and thinking intelligently about the future. I agree that more transparent (and truthful) advertising by the CC companies is needed, fraud should be heavily prosecuted, and things like Politboro pointed out (universal default, changing the interest rate on past debts, etc) should be considered unfair practices and should be banned. But I still contend the main problem is that too many people have been foolish. It is wrong that the companies played these people as suckers, and I have no sympathy for them or their problems. It is just as wrong that those people put themselves into a sucker position, and they just don't have my sympathy either.
Posted 11:27 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
I should add that the campaign claims it will release the 2007 return when it is filed. Cindy McCain filed for an extension, which should lapse on October 15, 2008. IMO, they would have been better off just releasing it in the Spring. It would have become old news over the summer.. but now, if they keep their word, it will come out just weeks before the election. I don't expect there to be anything bad in the return, but it will again draw attention to her and John's wealth.
Posted 11:23 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
bon - OK.. but don't you agree that restricting people's activities based on what their relatives do isn't very fair? Also, Cindy McCain has released one singular tax return, from 2006, and it was only the 1040, with none of the attached schedules. So while it is incorrect to say she has not released any tax information, the information that has been released isn't very thorough. Cindy has no legal obligation to release her returns, but the campaign likely realizes that it gives the appearance of having something to hide.
Posted 11:20 AM, 08/25/2008
jfar86
Captain Awesome, while I believe the country could use more fiscal responsibility, simply using a credit card isn't always a bad thing. I would use my credit card at Wawa for the purchase you described -- but I get cash back, and pay my balance in full each month. Many people have credit cards and use them responsibly.
Posted 11:18 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
Capt Awesome - That's a pretty silly anecdote. Simply using a credit card is not evidence of fiscal irresponsibility. He could pay the bill off in full every month.. it also could have been a bank card.
Posted 11:08 AM, 08/25/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
Biden supported the Iraq war, so the Democrats can't use it against McCain. Joe Biden about Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security.” “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.” “He must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.” So much for the anti-war message. Biden has been in the senate for 36 years, so much for attacking McCain as the insider that's part of the problem with Washington. Biden has some real gaffes like "You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent" - Biden. "I think that the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black. I don't believe he could have won had he been white." - Biden. Biden said he didn't think Obama was ready to be president, saying it's "not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." Biden also referred to Obama as "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean." Obama is the #1 most liberal senator and Biden is #3; so much for making it to the center. Biden has a tendency to shoot his mouth off so going after McCain's temper is out. We saw that Casey couldn't deliever the Catholic vote for Obama, so don't think Biden will. By the way, why would ANY catholic support someone that would not criminalizing allowing a baby to die that survived an abortion and was born?
Posted 11:06 AM, 08/25/2008
bon
Politburo: Denny Hastert had like 5 children doing the same thing. Believe me, I do not give the GOP a pass on this. I am glad we nominated someone in McCain who refused to partake in the sort of corruption. (Gibba Mang: How about taking "personal responsibility" forposting an outright falsehood? Cindy McCain released her tax returns months ago.)
Posted 11:02 AM, 08/25/2008
shoeshineboy
Bunchie - are you crying in your cheerios that you didnt get to Denver to sing happy songs? Imagine if your paper had a solid budget these days.. You would be there sharing stories with your colleagues, talking about Ants and Blood, and conferring on the death of journalism in the country. But alas, you didnt get to go.... WIll Bunch - A Dick Polman wanna-be.
Posted 10:54 AM, 08/25/2008
Captain Awesome
This entire country could use a couple of lessons in fiscal responsibility. From the guy in front of me at Wa-Wa yesterday who was using a credit card to pay for the morning paper, a hoagie, and a soda (do you really need to pay 18% interest on a sammich?) to the credit card companies who try to rope in college kids with the promise of a free beach towel or frisbee to the government with pork projects and tax/spend mentality.
Posted 10:52 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
To clarify an above comment, Bush's children are not lobbying. It should read "Bush and Cheney's families".
Posted 10:48 AM, 08/25/2008
GreyHippie
I agree, will, I think the last thing Charlie Black will urge McCain to do is go after Obama/Biden on the lobbyist thing. And his motive will be selfish: he'll be afraid that line of argument will focus unwanted attention to his, and his wife's, large roster of lobbying clients and that in turn will scare off said clients (a la Mrs. Delay). The glass house living while throwing of stones won't bother him in the least (after all he accuses the Democrats of promoting class warfare and in the next breath launches his own arugula-loving-Hawaii-beach going-Ivy-educated class salvo). But Charlie's all about protecting the family bottom line. Like you say, that's good for the candidates and their family member lobbyists, bad for the rest of us.
Posted 10:45 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
what is truth - Many of the objections to the bankruptcy bill aren't about what the bill did.. it's more about what the bill didn't do. It did nothing to stop the abusive practices of the credit card industry, such as universal default, changing the interest rate on past debts, trailing interest, etc. There was also objection on the grounds that bankruptcy fraud was not really a problem to begin with.
Posted 10:33 AM, 08/25/2008
RG
Plebby beat me to the punch. While I don't disagree with what is truth's assessment, remember to look at the other side of the coin and how big companies get bailed out for their insanely stupid decisions.
Posted 10:32 AM, 08/25/2008
montani semper liberi
what is truth?, it's funny how the credit card companies seem entitled to change the rules of the game to protect their butts, after they were stupid enough to extend credit as if there was no tomorrow (and they knew what they were doing, believe me), but we can't feel sorry for the unsophisticated consumer who's coaxed into those bad deals with promises of living the American dream at fantastic introductory rates? By the way, thanks for helping make Will's point, along with Xi Jah and Phillysub.
Posted 10:31 AM, 08/25/2008
Talking point detective
Gee Bunchie, maybe you are finally starting to realize that Obama and McCain are both corporate tools, and it doesnt matter who wins
Posted 10:28 AM, 08/25/2008
Politburo
"(Seriously... family of politicians should not be able to be lobbyists, let alone lobby daddy. That needs to be a law.)" --- Were you saying this when Bush and Cheney's children were lobbying? Somehow I doubt it... in any case, I don't see why family members should be punished because their relatives went into public service. There should certainly be restrictions and increased scrutiny of family members, but an outright ban is improper.
Posted 10:22 AM, 08/25/2008
E.Plebnista
If you don't consider giving out credit to people who are, at best, a borderline risk to be "financial mismanagement" on the part of the credit card companies, I can see where you are coming from. Why should we be subsidizing *their* ability to make bad financial decisions? When you look at predatory lending practices and deliberate exploitation of people who, quite frankly, *don't* know better the issue becomes a little more complex than the simple-minded "analysis" of "personal responsibility." Once everyone in the country is as smart as you are then you can assume that they are playing on a level playing field.
Posted 10:21 AM, 08/25/2008
jfar86
Bunch, to suggest that it is "anti-working class" to suggest that people should have to pay for the things that they have purchased is outrageous, even for you. The suggestion that it is ok to live in excess and expect a credit card company to get stuck with the tab is simply absurd. And Biden should be representing the interests of the credit card industry -- doing otherwise would be inconsistent with the notion of Federalism.
Posted 10:19 AM, 08/25/2008
db_cooper
"Can you imagine a negative ad with satanic music, grainy slow motion shots of Biden, and a narrator saying: "Joe Biden: Sleazy Tool of the Same Corporate Interests That We Support 100 Percent of the Time"?" Nice try at moral equivalence, Will. There is a vast difference between supporting a bill and getting a direct or indirect financial benefit for supporting it. Biden's son gets a plum consulting gig at MBNA. Chris Dodd gets a $70,000 break on his mortage from Countrywide and then drives legislation that benefits the new owner of Countryside, BofA, at a cost of billions to taxpayers. And well-connected Dems such as Jamie Gorelick turned Fannie Mae into their own personal salad bar - which will also eventually cost taxpayers billions. I do agree the GOP will have a hard time attacking. The question is, where in the heck has your attack on Dodd and Fannie Mae Democrats been? You sure were all over the Abramoff scandal. That was penny-ante corruption. This new Dem corruption is costing taxpayers billions upon billions of dollars.
Posted 10:15 AM, 08/25/2008
Gibba Mang
So much for "personal responsibility? eh neococonuts?
Posted 10:10 AM, 08/25/2008
Phillysub
I don't see passing a bill that requires people to take personal responsibility for their finances as 'anti-working class'. I'm no fan of credit card companies, but I don't think they, or any other company, should have to pay for someone elses's financial mismanagement.
Posted 10:10 AM, 08/25/2008
what is truth?
Could somebody please explain why people who knowingly overspend SHOULD find it easier to declare bankruptcy for credit card bills? Most of the "poor struggling families at the kitchen table" in credit trouble aren't that way because of illness, or unexpected unemployment - them I can feel sorry for. But most are there because they spent above their means for things they didn't need without giving any thought as to a fallback position if their upwardly-mobile paths took a southerly turn. Its like the people buying McMansions and not even being able to afford furniture for them (I have eyewitness proof of that), thinking (if that even is the applicable word) that the runup in values could go on forever. It is just another version/symptom of the nanny state: oh, the evil credit cards companies offered these people credit and the poor folks were too stupid to add up the numbers, so we must take care of them. I have sympathy for, and am willing to have some of my taxes go to help, the few who have been unlucky; I have no sympathy for the many who refused to use their brains. Biden has his flaws, but this isn't one of them.
Posted 10:07 AM, 08/25/2008
montani semper liberi
"Get back to me when McCain's family is personally making EVIL PROFITS as a result of his support of the bill." . . . . . Andy McCain did get a seat at the director's table at Silver State Bank within a year, but alas, the bank's gone belly up for making bad loans, and he had to resign for "personal" reasons. So, no evil profits, just evil losses, batty. Make that your talking point, batty, LOL!
Posted 10:06 AM, 08/25/2008
bon
Gibba Mang: She released her tax returns more then 4 months ago...
Posted 10:02 AM, 08/25/2008
Gibba Mang
Why won't Cindy McShame release her tax returns? Hmmmm....now we know!
Posted 10:02 AM, 08/25/2008
bon
Obama can no longer attack McCain on the issue of lobbyists or the bankruptcy bill. If he does, Obama will be called a hypocrite and the media may be forced to cover the contradiction. That is a win for McCain, and a serious hit to Obama's faux populism of the last couple months. (Seriously... family of politicians should not be able to be lobbyists, let alone lobby daddy. That needs to be a law.)
Posted 10:01 AM, 08/25/2008
jmc
In other words: Our VP nominee is corrupt but you can't do anything about it. Ha! Ha! I think there's a difference between supporting a bill, and using that support to set up a lobbying deal with your son. So I think Republicans can do something about it. Ha! Ha!
Posted 09:56 AM, 08/25/2008
Xi Jah
The right to not pay for what we foolishly purchased shall not be abridged.
Posted 09:45 AM, 08/25/2008
b.atkinson
"So why would Obama go ahead and pick someone with this kind of baggage? The answer is simple: The Republicans can't attack Biden on this issue, because their record is even worse." Really? Get back to me when McCain's family is personally making EVIL PROFITS as a result of his support of the bill. LOL, he's toast! Thank you, Messiah, thank you!
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