UPDATED: Joe Lieberman's healthcare plan for America
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UPDATED: Joe Lieberman's healthcare plan for America
UPDATE: Some 68 percent of his constituents in Connecticut favor the public option, but Joe Lieberman is instead siding with his campaign contributors: $2,395,369 from the health sector and $1,033,402 from the insurance industry during his undistinguished Senate career. Researchers at the Harvard Medical School say that 45,000 Americans die from lack of insurance coverage every year, so extending that to Connecticut's roughly 3.5 million people, that would be about 1,000 every year just in the Nutmeg State alone. I wish Lieberman could be forced to explain his position to the families of every blessed one of the deceased.
Sorry - I meant that they are. I'm still recovering from the mind-numbing stupidity of Ellsworth's posts. Talking point sleuth
TPS, I "think" we are mostly in agreement. To me, the main goal of healthcare reform needs to be improving quality of care and lowering of costs, which will help ALL Americans. A secondary goal MIGHT be figuring out a way to help those without insurance coverage be able to afford some level of coverage. In the end, we can't prevent people from dying; we can't stop them from getting sick. People need to have a huge level of ownership over their own level of health and have a very large financial stake in paying for their own care. People are living WAY longer, and the treatments needed to keep them mobile & healthy in their older ages are NOT cheap, nor are they ever going to be. Neither is certain treatments for diseases -- I'm sure the drug regimen for HIV positive people has to be VERY expensive, and it lasts the rest of their life. Who really even wants a "cheap" heart/lung replacement? We have to accept that we have reached an age where technology has made certain procedures available that can extend and improve quality of life, but it's not free, and it's not our neighbor's burden to provide it to us. IggleFan68
Igglesfan. I agree with both you and TPS, but one thing to remember, the cost of treating the uninsured is passed on to all of us so it needs to be added to the pillars of reform you listed in your post. Les Ismore- Les Ismore "the cost of treating the uninsured is passed on to all of us" - so the choice is paying the cost of treatment or paying the cost of insurance - not much difference is there? bird11
- Les Ismore - but hold on a second, if we are already treating the uninsured how are they dying from being uninsured??? bird11
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No matter how you spin it, the Republicans are seen as obstructionists when it comes to healthcare reform. They can say it's fiscally sound protest, but how do they explain the evil stimulus being passed without a filibuster? So Republicans let a GWB inspired stimulus plan pass but fight to the death over healthcare reform. Where are the TV commercials with prominent Republicans explaining their plan for fixing a problem a large percentage of Americans are greatly concerned about? If tort reform is your magic bullet, best of luck! pagoda- pagoda - we again get back to the Democrats have all the votes they need to steamroll the Republicans and pass whatever they want - so far they haven't even introduced a bill for a full vote. bird11
Comment removed.- SBVFT- I'll accept that answer. bird11
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Montani....I apologize for assuming you also had the integrity to do your own research rather than cherry picking the results of generic polls on the question of the public option. SIGH. Yes, in the generic question of the public option it has a majority of support. NOW, let's look deeper: Does anyone believe that the public option will lower the cost of healthcare? NO!!!! 57% of those polled feel it will increase costs...rasmussen (do your own research, ==>). Wait, weren't we trying to REDUCE the cost of healthcare? That seems odd. 53% of those polled feel healthcare will get worse....rasmussen (do your own research, ==>)I thought the idea was to improve the quality of care. Again, odd. 23% Strongly favor the plan. 40% Strongly oppose...rasmussen (do your own research, ==>)Is this the will of the people, Montani? I'll keep going...18% say the pasage of this bill will reduce costs. Sounds like a referendum for change to me! Wait, wasn't the goal to reduce costs. You know what, Montani? This is silly. You give me a one word anser and I will hold you to it. Fair? Do YOU think this bill will lower the cost of healthcare while improving its quality? Well, we're all waiting. pjsz1261
Oh, Montani, you can check out Pew Research to find out that the only people who favor the public option in alrge majority are those under 30, who probably don't pay taxes. Thought you'd like that since you cherry picked the results of the generic question from Pew Research. You hack. pjsz1261
Montani, got some more for you. Why don't you check out what Pew Research has to say about the under 30 crowd and their understanding of the public option? Of course they are largely in favor of it. They don't know what the h*ll it is. OMG, am I glad you included Pew Research. You gave me more ammo than I already had. Try being less smug and maybe debating whether or not this is right for the country, regardless of who is in the White House. How well do you think healthcare reform will hold up once our country is bankrupt? Can't happen you say? You better hope you're right. pjsz1261
Reading all of this has made my head hurt, but it's given me an idea. Why don't one of you public option supporters explain to me all of the times the federal government has waded into the fray against the free market and lowered costs, improved efficiency, reduced waste and increased innovation? BTW, NASA does not count. The free market figured thar was a money loser 50 years ago and passed. For those of you thinking AMTRAK, the gov't subsidizes over $400 per passenger on every trip from San Antonio to Las Angeles per passenger. BTW, you can fly from San Antonio to LA for about $200. AND the Feds said that gubbament control of AMTRAK was temporary. Just till it got back on its feet. Sound familiar? pjsz1261
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