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Why Obama won

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Why Obama won

POSTED: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 10:22 AM

My friend Greg Mitchell, who's the editor of Editor and Publisher and knows Bruce Springsteen (which almost makes me a friend of Springsteen once removed) has a new book that's a great early snapshot of how the media -- old and new -- covered a presidential race that will go down in the history books for forever changing the ways that candidates and voters connect.

The book is called "Why Obama Won: The Making of a President 2008." (You can purchase it here.)

You can also read an excerpt from the book that was published online today. It really raises the question of how the 2008 campaign might have played out in an earlier era, before private citizens and small publications had the ability to get video and soundbites out to millions of people:

How did sites with names like Politico and FiveThirtyEight and Eschaton and Crooks and Liars and AlterNet collectively come to rival the three television networks in influence, even if partly by influencing the networks themselves? It's been more than thirty-five years since "The Boys on the Bus" were anointed and celebrated. Now Huffington Post's "Off the Bus" site often made headlines with on-the-scene bulletins and audio/video snippets from some 3000 contributors. It was there that Mayhill Fowler's two major scoops in the campaign were posted.

Defending her second one -- on Bill Clinton's "sleazy" attack on Todd Purdum of Vanity Fair captured along a rope line in South Dakota -- Jay Rosen, who runs that section of the Huff Post site, said, "Professional reporters are going to have to decide whether they want to view citizen journalists as unfair competition, which is one option, or as extending the news net to places that pro reporters can't, won't or don't go, which is another -- and I think a better -- way to look at it."

I would argue that videos featuring Bill, not Hillary, Clinton led to the true turning point in the primary race, when on three separate occasions he was caught making what some took to be "racial" remarks and/or losing his temper with voters or reporters -- all in informal settings captured by amateurs or small town reporters and then beamed to millions. Countless Democrats, and particularly African-Americans, who had always revered the Clintons, switched to Obama in the space of a week or two. Even if they still liked Hill they did not want another four or eight years of Bill. Obama won eleven primaries in a row and the race was all but over.

What I think is going to be interesting about press relations in the Obama era will be the tension between the stated desire for a highly transparent and open administration and Team Obama's strong interest in communicating with the public without the media filter. I hope they'll have enough confidence in the goodness of transparency that they realize an open administration is going to lead to news coverage they don't like -- some of it may be shoddy journalism but a lot of it will be well-deserved. The only alternative to that is a closed administration, and that trick never works.

Just ask our own Michael Nutter here in Philly.

Will Bunch @ 10:22 AM  Permalink | 73 comments
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Comments  (73)
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:01 PM, 02/03/2009
    "Or is your point simply that Biden is a hypocrite on this point, to which I say, so what's new?" That was my original point...and as you say, "so what's new". The point now is showing tps to be the toadie that he is....he would never make the statement that you just made about Biden being a hypocrite.
    legatus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:49 PM, 02/03/2009
    does that mean virgins don't float???? always thought virgins and witches had something in common
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:38 PM, 02/03/2009
    LOL, nope, but it floats.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:35 PM, 02/03/2009
    99 and 44/100th pure doesn't make you a virgin.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:31 PM, 02/03/2009
    "was that the 100% truth???" . . . . Just 99 and 44/100, I guess, good enough for Ivory soap.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:28 PM, 02/03/2009
    Legatus, if I didn't know better, I'd say you're looking for an excuse to cheat on your taxes and still be able to call yourself patriotic. Otherwise, what's your point? That obeying tax laws has nothing to do with patriotism? That might be understandable to the extent that you sincerely believe the tax laws are anti-American. Or is your point simply that Biden is a hypocrite on this point, to which I say, so what's new?
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:18 PM, 02/03/2009
    msl - ok so when President Obama said quote "If you are a lobbyist entering my administration, you will not be able to work on matters you lobbied on, or in the agencies you lobbied during the previous two years." was that the 100% truth??? (and the full text is available in my earlier post so I didn't truncate it.)
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:16 PM, 02/03/2009
    As usual, tps write words, says nothing, avoids the point of the original post and its follow-up while attacking another poster. As I said, where is Biden on this? Personally, I have no problem voting for a tax cheat, I voted for McCain and I think that Geithner is a genius who will do a great job at Treasury...but Biden, where was it that you said he was on this issue, tps?
    legatus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:15 PM, 02/03/2009
    "he's got more than enough to purchase sufficient amount of tissues and scotch to nurse his misery." . . . . . Who knows, maybe he'll make another fortune lobbying against health care financing reform down the road, protecting the "free" market for our "toadies". Luckily, they won't have to thank him, but they will have to pay him through their premiums.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:12 PM, 02/03/2009
    I'm sorry TPS what was that all I got was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah **you voted for a republican and I'll tell you why you did *** blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. ***let me misrepresent the facts**** blah, blah, blah.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:54 PM, 02/03/2009
    ---}}} ...my feelings about tax cheats are no where to be found on Attytood. {{{--- LOL! I'll take that as an admission, legatus, that you voted for McCain, who is an admitted tax cheat. But that's OK, you don't have to post on the topic, I wouldn't expect you to own up to it.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:53 PM, 02/03/2009
    "I don't think I ever said he lied. I am merely pointing out that the no lobbyist, etc stuff was mere campaign BS" . . . Then you would have to show that there has been an overall disregard of his Exec Order's principles, not just a few exceptions out of thousands of hirings which the Exec Order explicitly allows anyway.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:52 PM, 02/03/2009
    I do believe that I've caused birdie to snap. Birdie, I posted on the topic of the relative spending/revenue ratios of Republican/Democratic administrations for months - way before I ever found that website (You know, the site that used stats from WhiteHouse.gov? You know, the website that I indicated I excerpted from by using "snip?" You know what the "snip" was intended to do, don't you? To simulate the sound of scissors? You know scissors, don't you? It's what you use when you're cutting and pasting things?). Actually, birdie, the first time I posted that topic was after I stumbled upon the Heritage Foundation website. Now that we've cleared that misunderstanding up - maybe you'd like to address why you've voted for Repubs for president, even though they've been much more financially irresponsible than Dems? Or. Perhaps. You might duck the issue. Again. As you have for days now. In a completely consistent fashion. And instead attacked me with blatantly ridiculous accusations?
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:46 PM, 02/03/2009
    ---}}} Daschle's only work has been government. {{{--- I'm no fan of Daschle. Glad to see him go, and I won't be weeping over his misfortune; he's got more than enough to purchase sufficient amount of tissues and scotch to nurse his misery.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:44 PM, 02/03/2009
    "Where is his voice on this issue of tax cheating Cabinet members?" . . . . Don't overlook the fact that these members/nominees have been forced to pay what they owe. That still doesn't make them good choices, but you're looking for fault from all the wrong angles, db. Obama may be a liar for other reasons, and Biden a hypocrite in general, but the real problem is why Obama can't find talent outside the beltway culture. One could argue that it's impossible to change the system as an outsider looking in, but I don't buy it. I'm not naive to have thought that Obama's message of "change" meant an actual revolution would take place (after all, Obama has been groomed as a member of the power elite ever since he came to DC), but that maybe the old structure of two-party elitism would bend a little to getting the people outside of DC more involved in the decision making process. We've yet to see that, but I'm still patient.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:32 PM, 02/03/2009
    "and BTW, I find your belief that somehow Thompson was above typical political ethics to be surprisingly naive." I did not say that. I felt, however, that he was not a tax cheat and he also had a day job most of the time - acting. Daschle's only work has been government.
    db_cooper
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:31 PM, 02/03/2009
    MSL - I don't think I ever said he lied. I am merely pointing out that the no lobbyist, etc stuff was mere campaign BS, which BTW I have no problem with I don't see how you can have a cabinet that doesn't have ties to people in the industries they are now working in. But back to transparency in gov't - do you think the average citizen is going the level of reading the actual Executive Order? My President just stood up in front of TV cameras and said - "you will not be able to work on matters you lobbied on, or in the agencies you lobbied during the previous two years." Some may say that's a lie other might say but you need to read the fine print.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:26 PM, 02/03/2009
    Arrrgh...I inadvertantly read a tps post (a practice that I swore off of weeks ago) and find him to be just as disingenous as always. Now, tps I'm not sure why you are talking about me voting for a tax cheat, but regardless, my feelings about tax cheats are no where to be found on Attytood. Possibly I find them to be as all-American as baseball and apple pie...who knows. What we DO know is that Biden finds tax paying to be patriotic, and by logical extension tax cheating to be unpatriotic. Where is his voice on this issue of tax cheating Cabinet members?
    legatus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:24 PM, 02/03/2009
    I knew I heard it before OTP it is right here at : http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm. VERY ORIGINAL AND VERY VERY REPETITIVE, JUST LIKE THIS...............
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:21 PM, 02/03/2009
    *****snip*********I guess that's because the facts I posted are forcing you to confront the reality that you've been duped by the Republican Party for years, believing the hype that the Dems are the "tax and spend" Party, when in reality the Republicans have overseen more spending as a percentage of revenue than Democrats? *****snip ******WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE????? MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR NAME AGAIN THIS TIME TO OTP.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:20 PM, 02/03/2009
    bird11, Obama's exec order allows for waivers via OMB certification based on certain criteria - that the spirit of the exec order would not be compromised, or the appointment is in the national interest because of exigent circumstances. I believe Lynn got one of these waivers from OMB. So it's not as cut and dry as we would wish, or as you would now characterize it, but I still don't see where Obama has lied.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:13 PM, 02/03/2009
    msl - maybe Lynn didn't lobby DoD, I do not know. But how can Lynn work for DoD now and have no contact with Raytheon even if it isn't just in the chain of command. Remember Cheney left Halliburton in 2000 yet for 8 years we were led to believe that every Halliburton contract was tied to Cheney and some conspiracy.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:12 PM, 02/03/2009
    ---}}} TPS found this on the internet - must be 100% factually correct right??? {{{--- I post original thoughts plenty, birdie. But nice backpedaling for the fact that as of yet, you have actually yet to bring any facts to the table that refute what I posted from your "liberal-biased" websites such as WhiteHouse.gov, and the Heritage Foundation website. LOL! I guess that's because the facts I posted are forcing you to confront the reality that you've been duped by the Republican Party for years, believing the hype that the Dems are the "tax and spend" Party, when in reality the Republicans have overseen more spending as a percentage of revenue than Democrats?
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:06 PM, 02/03/2009
    *****snip*****Remember Obama’s claim to experience is as a “Community Organizer”? Guess what he was organizing there in the community of Chicago. Reminiscent of the Nazi “Hitler Youth Camps” The American tax-funded Chicago organization cited as a probable model for programs to integrate youth into the social and political world under an Obama tenure in the White House is the epitome of a “Muslim Terrorist Training Madrassa” that shovels impressionable youth through a course of brainwashing, and supremacy indoctrination. The organization is called “Public Allies” and Democrat presidential nominee Sen. Barack Hussein Obama was a founding member of the board of directors in 1992. He later resigned and his wife became executive director of the group. *****snip******* TPS found this on the internet - must be 100% factually correct right??? Or maybe I quoted something completely out of context, or maybe the source is a complete loon (which in this case they are. Why not try an original thought from time to time and leaving the cutting and pasting from leftist websites/blogs to Bunch.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:59 PM, 02/03/2009
    "Can someone tell me how these cabinet members can live up to the stated Obama rule....." . . . . . I need more info birdie. For instance, if William Lynn was a lobbyist for Raytheon, did he personally lobby the DOD within the last 2 years? I'm sure Raytheon's lobbyists are interested in agencies other than the DOD.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:54 PM, 02/03/2009
    ---}}} I would expect him to push for the ouster of the tax cheats in the administration. {{{--- Gee, I wonder who legatus voted for in the presidential election. Surely, not an admitted tax cheat.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:53 PM, 02/03/2009
    Birdie, is there some point to you posting links to the sites I excerpted from, while you fail to post links to the sites you excerpt from? Is it because you're so embarrassed about saying I plagiarized in comments where I clearly indicated that I had cut and pasted? Is it because you, laughably, want to point to some bias without actually refuting any of the facts contained in my posts? Unless I'm mistaken, birdie, my guess is that most commenters here realize that if you google a string of words from an excerpt, they can find the original source. Is it that you really think you're some kind of a genius for figuring that out?
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:53 PM, 02/03/2009
    Since Joe Biden believes that paying taxes is patriotic, I would expect him to push for the ouster of the tax cheats in the administration. Who wants an unpatriotic Cabinet member anyway?
    legatus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:46 PM, 02/03/2009
    msl - thanks for getting with the program. We all know there are tax cheats out there - let's get that money before we raise anybody's taxes!!!
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:44 PM, 02/03/2009
    for the complete text of TPS 12:17 text go to: McCain Keating Five One Crook Went To Prison, The Other Is Running For President. http://mccainkeatingfive.com/?p=6.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:43 PM, 02/03/2009
    "Bloggers break more stories than newspapers." Right. Most news or politics-oriented bloggers *comment* on the days' news - and where do you think they get it, from their Washington Bureau? I have plenty to say about the media (especially cable news) but where, exactly, do you think you would get in-depth news reports but from professional journalists?
    Hamlet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:41 PM, 02/03/2009
    Maybe Obama could offer DHHS to Sam Wyly if he 'fesses up to and pays the $300 million he owes in taxes he evaded in offshore accounts. (Who's Sam Wyly? Just the financier behind SBVFT and one of Bush's biggest sugar daddys). Like bird11 noted yesterday, this strategy could balance the budget.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:38 PM, 02/03/2009
    To see the full text of TPS post please go to: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/02/2248.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:33 PM, 02/03/2009
    db, I'll wait until evidence of unethical acts in the Obama administration actually occur before judging Obama's campiagn promises. Daschle's now toast anyway, which is great news.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:33 PM, 02/03/2009
    They're all crooks, db. And nice retreat there on voting for a tax cheat for president. LOL!
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:32 PM, 02/03/2009
    Oh yeah, more on your concerns about Obama's connections to lobbyists: --snip-- Now the elder Mr. Thompson, who also worked as a lobbyist before and after his eight years in the Senate, is aiming for an even higher post, preparing a run for the Republican presidential nomination. In the folksy drawl that built him a lucrative sideline as a screen actor, Mr. Thompson is presenting himself as a reform-minded outsider taking on Washington, just as he did when he campaigned for the Senate as "Ol' Fred" the "real live country lawyer," and cruised Tennessee in a rented red pickup truck. But the lobbying work that Tony Thompson and another son, Daniel, did after their father won his Senate seat suggests how far the family has traveled from Fred Thompson's early career. Not only has he parlayed his own political background into a lobbying business - a fact his opponents have seized on to challenge his outsider image - but his sons have also made lobbying a family affair. --snip-- Both sons, heavily tied into lobbying and gaining benefits from their father's political power.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:31 PM, 02/03/2009
    Can someone tell me how these cabinet members can live up to they stated Obama rule that "you will not be able to work on matters you lobbied on, or in the agencies you lobbied during the previous two years." William Lynn, Deputy Defense Secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive. William Corr, Deputy Health and Human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use. David Hayes, Deputy Interior Secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric. Mark Patterson, Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs. Ron Klain, Chief of Staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone. Melody Barnes, Domestic Policy Council Director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights. Cecilia Munoz, White House Director of Intergovernmental Affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza. Patrick Gaspard, White House Political Affairs Director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union." for tps many ****snips***** in there.
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:27 PM, 02/03/2009
    and BTW, I find your belief that somehow Thompson was above typical political ethics to be surprisingly naive. What about the way he unofficially began his campaign before he officially began his campaign? Or this? --snip-- Daniel Thompson had worked as a Xerox salesman before his father's election. Afterward, Daniel landed an economic development job for the state, and three years later became executive director of the Tennessee Business Roundtable. His duties included recruiting new members and lobbying at the Statehouse for increasing education and business development spending and lowering taxes. In 2002, Daniel quit to work full time as finance director of his father's re-election campaign. When Senator Thompson decided not to seek re-election, Daniel, too, was out of a job. So his father stepped in to help out. Giving a speech to a charitable group associated with a Kentucky military base, Senator Thompson suggested to the group's fund-raising consultant, Douglas M. Lawson, that he consider hiring his son, Mr. Lawson recalled. Daniel now runs an office of Mr. Lawson's charitable fund-raising firm in Nashville, his father's home base. The elder Mr. Thompson helped Daniel through his political action committee as well. In the last two elections, the committee paid Daniel Thompson more than $170,000 in consulting fees, compared with less than $70,000 it paid toward supporting Republican political campaigns. --snip--
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:26 PM, 02/03/2009
    MSL in case you missed it "For Immediate Release January 21, 2009 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT IN WELCOMING SENIOR STAFF AND CABINET SECRETARIES TO THE WHITE HOUSE Room 450 Eisenhower Executive Office Building 1:18 P.M. EST .......... But the American people deserve more than simply an assurance that those who are coming to Washington will serve their interests. They also deserve to know that there are rules on the books to keep it that way. They deserve a government that is truly of, by, and for the people. As I often said during the campaign, we need to make the White House the people's house. And we need to close the revolving door that lets lobbyists come into government freely, and lets them use their time in public service as a way to promote their own interests over the interests of the American people when they leave. So today we are taking a major step towards fulfilling this campaign promise. The executive order on ethics I will sign shortly represents a clean break from business as usual. As of today, lobbyists will be subject to stricter limits than under any other administration in history. If you are a lobbyist entering my administration, you will not be able to work on matters you lobbied on, or in the agencies you lobbied during the previous two years. When you leave government, you will not be able to lobby my administration for as long as I am President. And there will be a ban on gifts by lobbyists to anyone serving in the administration, as well." Thirteen days later how has he held up to that
    bird11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:25 PM, 02/03/2009
    "As such, I don't care that much about Daschel's tax returns. " I do. That kind of willingness to lie, and especially from a Democrat whose party's viewpoints advocates the rich paying higher taxes. Instead, we've seen three Leona wannabees nominated for Obama's administration. Oh, and regarding Obama's versus McCain's ethical problems - McCain did that 20 years ago and appears to have been pretty clean since. Obama, on the other hand, has ethical problems that are very recent. And I also don't expect them to be corrupt. They usually are, but that doesn't mean I accept it the way you do. Little ethical problems are usually indicative of much larger ethical voids.
    db_cooper
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:22 PM, 02/03/2009
    msl: I guess you missed Obama's promise about high ethics that even Will mocked the other day.
    db_cooper
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:18 PM, 02/03/2009
    ---}}} Yet, amazingly, you voted for a "tax cheat" to become president {{{--- Look, db, I expect them all to be crooked, Obama included. It's a non-starter as far as I'm concerned. Given that, I try to differentiate on the basis of the impact of their policies. Obama won't be great, but Bush was a complete disaster. You tried over and over throughout the campaign to draw some huge line of distinction between Obama and McCain relative to ethics and whether or not they would be beholden to moneyed interests, not me. I just said I thought your concept of the difference there was laughable (as was your claims that Obama is a socialist/racist). The distinguishing line I draw is related to what I perceive to be the likely outcomes of their policies. As such, I don't care that much about Daschel's tax returns. What I care about is the policies he would have advocated. Accordingly, I'm glad to see him retire - he was too closely tied to the healthcare industries, and I think that now Obama could have the opportunity to appoint a real expert rather than a political affiliate.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:10 PM, 02/03/2009
    "Hey, db, who'd you vote for in the presidential election?" Hey, I could have voted for Obama with his Rezko problems and the legalized bribe raise his wife got. The point is, I had no real say in the process that chose McCain and Obama - my choice was Thompson who is highly ethical and he (and all the others) was out by the time the primaries got to PA. However, Obama promised ethics. And he has failed. And you are turning into quite the apologist for ethical problems. I called the GOP on their problems. Too bad you bend over backwords downplaying the Dem problems.
    db_cooper
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:06 PM, 02/03/2009
    "The minute they were revealed as tax cheats, they should have been disqualified" . . . . That's a matter of opinion with which I agree strongly, but your comment initially complained that Obama wanted to lie about it. If your point is that Obama fooled the American people during his campaign that his administration would be comprised of only folks eligible for sainthood, then I missed that speech. my bad.
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:34 PM, 02/03/2009
    Obama won because George Bush made electing another republican impossible. Even if you agreed with the invasion of Iraq, his inabilty to stop the economic meltdown (which certainly had help from the Democrat) sealed the deal.
    James TL
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:31 PM, 02/03/2009
    "I've seen nothing which smacks of a cover-up." Really?? Well, that's good enough for me.
    A Friend
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:30 PM, 02/03/2009
    Ok Mr. Jones, I'll give you reason why Reagan won; Carter and Mondale. BushI was because of Dukasis.
    James TL
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:19 PM, 02/03/2009
    ---}}} The minute they were revealed as tax cheats, they should have been disqualified. {{{-- And I thought irony reached its apex when Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:17 PM, 02/03/2009
    Perhaps the ultimate irony of Republican "outrage" about false tax returns. -- snip -- John McCain admitted to intentionally filing false income tax returns to defraud the IRS by not claiming thousands of dollars in gifts McCain and his family received from Charles Keating and Keating’s company. -- snip -- Hey, db, who'd you vote for in the presidential election? LOL!
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:06 PM, 02/03/2009
    "If anything, we'd probably never know they were cheats without Obama's transparency. " That is truly lame reasoning. The minute they were revealed as tax cheats, they should have been disqualified. Obama and his toadies have continually downplayed the significance of the tax offenses in question. That is hardly transparency.
    db_cooper
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:04 PM, 02/03/2009
    "db, has Obama tried to cover up the tax cheats issue? " Where did I raise the issue of a cover-up? The lie was that this admin would be ethical.
    db_cooper
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:01 PM, 02/03/2009
    ---}}} I can answer that with four words: Al Gore and John Kerry {{{--- Lol! Yet another dear mr. ocjones classic. No wonder he votes Republican - he can't count to five. Kind of like saying that the Republican Party is the anti-tax and spend Party, when over the past eight administrations each and every Republican president has increased spending as a percentage of revenue while each Dem has increased revenue as a percentage of spending.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:58 AM, 02/03/2009
    db, has Obama tried to cover up the tax cheats issue? I question his judgment in keeping the cheats as nominees and also making a mockery of his promise to keep lobbyists off his team, but I've seen nothing which smacks of a cover-up. If anything, we'd probably never know they were cheats without Obama's transparency. Maybe Obama should follow Bush's example, I guess.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:56 AM, 02/03/2009
    Very true, Bud. On another note, does anyone think that the fervor with which Republican toadies are going after Obama is in any way related to how foolish they feel about having been so certain that immediately upon taking office, Obama would turn us into a socialist state and start imprisoning all white Americans? Or maybe it's because they feel so foolish about having been so certain that Obama was linked to Blago's corruption? I guess being a Republican toady means never justifying having been laughably wrong.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:53 AM, 02/03/2009
    thats five words
    potus
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:41 AM, 02/03/2009
    "What I think is going to be interesting about press relations in the Obama era will be the tension between the stated desire for a highly transparent and open administration and Team Obama's strong interest in communicating with the public without the media filter. " In other words, they want to lie to the public without critical analysis? A third tax cheat (this one withdrew). Continuing to allow the CIA to carry out renditions. In other words, he lies through his teeth, and doesn't want the media to wake up and realize that he's just another lying hack.
    db_cooper
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:38 AM, 02/03/2009
    "Bud, maybe we should ask then how George Bush won."----I can answer that with four words: Al Gore and John Kerry.
    ocjones
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:36 AM, 02/03/2009
    We did have Matt Drudge of course. Al Qaeda had it's own version of citizen journalism too, which the wingnuts found particularly credible. Oh, and SBVFT (those vets that signed sworn affidavits based on what somebody else told them), but it used the old media via a privately funded TV campaign.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:25 AM, 02/03/2009
    Bud, maybe we should ask then how George Bush won. Was citizen journalism so primitive just 4-8 years ago?
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:21 AM, 02/03/2009
    An entire book on why Obama won? I can cover that entire topic in two words: George Bush.
    Bud Fox
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:08 AM, 02/03/2009
    Where are all the haters today?
    mxlplk
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:05 AM, 02/03/2009
    So, in an information age, the old news media becomes a redundancy. Yoy could see that coming?


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