I've been writing about political campaigns for more than a quarter-century now, and it really takes a lot to surprise me, but I am absolutely stunned at the depths that the Republican Party is willing to sink to try in win this election, even as polls are beginning to suggest it may be a lost cause for John McCain and Sarah Palin. At 9:29 p.m., I received in an email the sleaziest political press release I've ever seen. It came from the Republican Party of Pennsylvania and it's headlined: "PAGOP: OBAMA - A TERRORIST'S BEST FRIEND."
Here's the meat of it:
HARRISBURG – Republican Party of Pennsylvania Chairman Robert A. Gleason, Jr. released the following statement regarding Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers, a terrorist who helped found a group called the Weather Underground. The Weather Underground is a left-wing extremist group that was responsible for bombing both the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon in the 70’s. The group was also responsible for a pipe bomb that killed a San Francisco police officer in 1970.
“Barack Obama’s association with terrorist Bill Ayers is alarming and absolutely deserves to be questioned,” Gleason said. “We are electing someone to be our next Commander-in-Chief and I think it is more than fair to look into their background. The Obama Campaign admitted that Obama and Ayers were ‘certainly friendly’ and that says a lot about Barack Obama’s character. Ayers’ is a terrorist, and there is no denying that the group he founded attacked our country and killed innocent Americans.
“Obama claims that he didn’t know about Ayers background as a terrorist, but I find that hard to believe. Ayers past is well known and he has been quoted in numerous articles, including in The New York Times where he said that he thought he didn’t do enough and wishes that he would have set off more bombs. What does it say about the character of Barack Obama that he knowingly associates with terrorists? It tells me that Obama lacks the judgment and character to be our next Commander-in-Chief.”
First of all, and most importantly, there's absolutely nothing in the body of the release that supports this wildly inflammatory and arguably libelous headline, that Obama is a "terrorist's best friend." Despite more than a year of Obama's relationship with Ayers investigated by everyone from Fox News to the New York Times, no one has ever come up anything more than what the Obama campaign has said, that the two were acquaintances who traveled in the same circles in their Chicago, as advocates of school reform. That's a best friend?
Gleason says it's "hard to believe" that Obama didn't know about Ayers' background. Actually, it's not that hard to believe at all. If you have access to the Nexis service, as I do, you can read the coverage of Ayers' school reform activities in Chicago in the mid-1990s. Hard as might be for the Sean Hannitys and Robert Gleasons of the world to imagine, the articles by and large make no mention that this guy pushing for smaller class sizes was also a former 1960s radical. Why would articles, other than a lengthy profile of Ayers, mention that -- considering that Ayers has never been convicted of a crime and by the 1990s had been accepted by Mayor Richard Daley and others as a school reformer?
"What does it say about the character of Barack Obama that he knowingly associates with terrorists?," Gleason asks. Nothing, because the evidence is overwhelming that he didn't, that this was a casual association and that Obama knew little or nothing about his background. Reading this, it's hard to know whether to be angry or just sad that one of America's two political parties has sunk to this.
Seriously, this is the kind of crap that people usually put on people's car windshields at 3 in the morning, unsigned in crude block letters. The fact that the Republican Party of Pennsylvania would put this out on its official letterhead is truly a rock bottom moment in American politics. It makes me wonder what the Republican Party has to hide if they are this desperate to try to cling to power at all costs to their dignity and humanity.
There's one final ironic twist in all of this.
John McCain's Pennsylvania co-chairman? He's a convicted felon. You can look it up.
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What's up with the post below this one? It says there's 17 comments, but when i click on it, there's just one. ///"The fact that he's my former pastor I think makes it a legitimate political issue."/"They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together." FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE WHO TRIED TO BLOW UP THE PENTAGON. NICE.
And the Rethuglican Party sinks even lower. I for one cannot wait till Nov. 4th when Obama and the Democrats sweep this tired corrupt party out of office.
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BTW - the user interface on this blog stinks. God awful. I dont blame the admin dude - I'm just sayin. Will - can you PLEEEZE get Charles Johnson from LGF to redesign/re-engineer this blog and the comments section? My patience is wearing thin.
Wait are you talking about Palin and her Alaskan Separatist Party ties? You know the party that HATES America and wants to become its own country. Who really has the terrorist ties here?
Just admit it Will. The left admires people like Ayers. He would be a fashionable dude to hang out, say if he lived in West Mounty Airy or something. All the editors at the Inky/DN would be clamoring to be invited to his house and rip on Bush.
I don't see how the shallow relationship between Ayers and Obama has anything to do or say about how Obama would govern. In fact, I find McCain's ties with Rick Davis, Phil Gramm, and Charles Keating much more terrifying. Republicans have to remember -- words matter and not everyone in their party has the lightbulbs to understand that Obama is not a terrorist.
When you have people at Sarah Palin rallies yelling "kill him" and McCain winking and nodding when people call Obama a terrorist, it really makes you wonder what this campaign will do to win the presidency. If Obama gets assassinated -- and God hopes this never happens -- I know exactly who to blame. McCain and his hateful, divisive campaign. Stop at nothing.
Why does the McCain/Palin campaign hate America?
Obama launched his IL Senate campaign in the Ayers's living room. He served on the board of an organization Ayers founded and controlled. Come on. This is the equivalent of having Qadaffi in "his five." That's absolutely fair game. If, as has been demonstrated by your comrades, Bristol and Trig are fair game, it should barely raise eyebrows.
batty, why don't you enlighten us as to Obama's "ties" to Ayers. Do you really think that if there were REAL associations FAUX NEWS wouldn't have let us know about it alrady? Maybe while Obama was in GRADE SCHOOL he helped Ayers plan some of his bombings.
Why did Sarah Palin give this video address to the separatists party in Alaskan? Possibly because she hates America?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881
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Ayers = Qaddaffi? A mind is a terrible thing to lose. (Besides, we deal with Qaddaffi now) Come to think of it, St. Ronald Reagan sold weapons to the Iranians to ransom American hostages.
b.atkinson is obviously afraid what going to happen to his boy McLies in Nov. Mmmm your tears taste so good!
batboy, I'll consider that a cop out.
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Steve, I didn't say Qadaffi without some thought. We deal with him now, and Ayers lives comfortably in Chicago. Apt comparison. Other similarities: they both hate America.
I'll say it SLOOOOW for you batboy. Show me something from one of your "sources". Fox News hasn't even come up with anything. It's funny that you make light of Katie Couric but your JOKE of a VP candidate looked like a complete moron getting interviewed by her. Olbermann is the only one that shows her getting "hands laid on her" by a frigging WITCH DOCTOR rebuking witchcraft!. If you want to speak about "guilt by associating please comment on her and her husbands' ties to the separatist party in Alaska.
Gotta say, that Echo really has a point there with the whole Qaddafi thing...--snip-- Rice stepped off her plane into the hot desert sunshine of the Maghreb to meet a very different Colonel Muammar el-Qaddafi. The Libyan leader, in the eyes of the Bush administration, is rehabilitated, his country removed from the State Department's terrorism list, his debt to the families of the victims of the bombing of Pan Am's Flight 103 on its way to being paid...Speaking to the Al Jazeera network last year, Qaddafi got downright gushy when asked about Rice. "I support my darling black African woman," he said. "I admire and am very proud of the way she leans back and gives orders to the Arab leaders." He continued: "Yes, Leezza, Leezza, Leezza," and said, "I love her very much."
Let's have fun with guilt by association! I LOVE IT! Man, there are a LOT of terrorist hugger then at the University where Ayers teaches now, I suppose.
BTW, if you ever were in the same convenience store where someone worked, bought something or frequented while you were there, you are now also a "terrorist hugger"! This is a GREAT moral stand by the GOP. Keep up the GREAT work, repubs!
Listen Bunch, you left wing Obama, marxist sympathizer. I guess you beleive Obama when he says that he sat in the pews of Reverend Jerimiah Wrights church for 20 years and never heard Wright say the kind of Racist, anti-american hate speech that he has been spewing out for 20 years. You detestable Obama coverups make me sick
Wow! Imagine that... Condi is best buds with an "unrepentant terrorist..." --snip -- After a mob sacked and burned the American Embassy in 1979, the United States cut off relations. But the relationship did not reach its nadir until 1986, when the Reagan administration accused Libya of ordering the bombing of a German discotheque that killed three people....The bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, came nearly three years later. Investigators spent years accumulating evidence that Libyan agents were involved, and in 2001, a Libyan intelligence official was found guilty of murder in the case...
"The left admires people like Ayers." . . . . . . . Gimme a break. Ayers was an overprivileged rich kid who, as a profoundly immature and naive college student, perhaps discovered that he could live out his childhood fantasies (seered into his psyche from repetitive watching of TV superheros) in the equally naive anti-war movement of the time. He grew up when reality finally bit him, but he got a second chance. If he'd been a poor nobody like Obama at the time, he'd have already died in prison.
You republican lackeys are all like "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA." You see and hear what you want. "Palin and her ties to the Alaskan Separatist Party? LA LA LA LA LA LA. Palin worshiping with a priest rebuking witches? LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA. It's hilarious!
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These accusations about Obama is such a crock. The name Bill Ayers associated with Weathermen didn't ring a bell with me until his article appeared in the NY Times on Sept 12 2001, and I am a dozen years older than Obama and remember the period well. Why should it have caused Obama, who was 8 years old when Ayers was active, to recognize the man's past?
Have any of these people ever been to a neighborhood coffee, or do they live in their bedrooms and just call out for meals? In the 1990s, Obama was a young man starting out in neighborhood politics. He probably knew the other young families, but needed to get to know older residents of the neighborhood, and was introduced to Bill Ayers, a middle-aged professor of education,who offered to hold a coffee for him and introduce him to those folk. Under the circumstances, "Should I bring donuts?" is a much more likely response than, "Hey, weren't you a terrorist when I was in third grade halfway around the world?"
After the Obama inauguration we start the clean up. There is an astounding number of embedded goopers in the neighborhood that are common criminals. They are going to be "re-educated".
rms,
You must be new around here. I mean, you're talking sense, making valid and factual points, but the problem is the people you are talking to are practicing DGB's succinct analysis. Don't worry, though, one (or more) of them will attack you by calling you names and making various and sundry other derogatory comments. Attacking the messenger, not the message, because the truth is they can't refute the message.
Batkins, did Limbaugh and Hannity forget to tell you that Ayers was misinterpreted in 2001, and he's said so many times? You think that only happens to conservatives, of course, but don't put it past any ambitous NYT reporter to embellish words to fit a pre-conceived narrative. Most people realize, or will see, that Obama's ties to Ayers were nothing more than collegial in the world of education policy, and your banshee howls will be duly noted for what they are.
The notion that a presidential candidate is associated with "terrorists" is sheer absurdity. And even if that were the case, first of all, unless our intelligence agencies are that incompetent, Obama would be in jail. Those who choose to believe this garbage are being equally absurd.
Secondly if Ayres is a "terrorist" he would be in jail, too. But he isn't in prison because he was never charged with a crime. It does not take a rocket-scientist to figure this out; it is a matter of using common sense.
The voters are not falling for these cheap, tawdry stunts again which explains why McCain and Palin and other republicans are losing. They deserve to lose, too.
This whole ordeal is offensive, dishonest, crass and despicable; it needs to stop, right here, right Now!
"I've been writing about political campaigns for more than a quarter-century now"... Another self-serving comment. You should wear ads for your employer on your wrinkled shirts. Talk about cheap plug, and cheap thrills.
Wow, TPS makes some really good . . . -snip- Obama is a Marxist. His tax plan turns us into a welfare state. Who really wants that?
"His tax plan turns us into a welfare state. Who really wants that?..." Not only did Echo vote twice for a president who became best buds with an "unrepentant terrorist," he also apparently thinks that Americans are idiots that would allow their government to become a Marxist state. Let's add this up now. Echo loves him a president that cozies up to terrorists, and Echo also hates Americans. Yup. Echo is definitely another Republican lackey - no doubt.
TPS, do you have any more "I'm rubber, you're glue?" I'm actually an independent. In fact, I'm a registered Democrat. And I'm a voter, whose vote will negate yours. I think it's called "diving on a grenade."
This is why there's all the desperation with Ayers this week: The McCain campaign simply must distract from the economy. Like the McCain aide said, "If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose." Not only to get the conversation from the economy, but Gleason here is trying to distract PA voters to cover for his fellow CEO pals receiving the multi-million dollar "golden parachutes" and jetting off to the Caymans. Less than a month til we throw the de-regulator McCain and his team of lobbyists out.
If despiration can motivate a criminal to commit a crime don't think despiration would'nt motivate McCain/Palin to cheat lie and perhaps even still. When you conjure up lies that has already been proven and addressed that proves your stupid. Don't they know fact check is monitoring everything each candidate say and exposing the truth. I guess they wasn't smart enough to read the encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org who states facts and references. I guess they think we arericans are stupid as Palin who spent five years and 6 colleges to get a four year degree.
McCain is surrounded by many convicted felons, among which many are lobbyists for international terrorism. This is not some fabrication but factully proven: To verify, google up McCain and con men G. Gordon Liddy, Raffaello Follieri, Doug Goodyear, Doug Davenport, Charlie Black, Tom Loeffler, and Peter Madigan, Carl H. Lindner Jr, etc. The list goes on.
Ha! Obama will catch Bin Laden by inviting him over for a potluck. Iranians, Palestinians, Jews...anyone can be Obama's BFF! As long as it helps him politically!
RCE..they are not shallow ties he sat on the Board of a Foundation created By an admitted terrorisy less than ten years ago.... BTW name one thing Obama has accomplished?
The people that have done more to help Bin Laden than the Taliban are calling someone a terrorist. Do they ever look in a mirror.
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I see there are members of the right here who are still living in the dream world built from the lies and exaggerations their ticket feeds them. How sad. It is so sad to see how we Americans seem to refuse to think for ourselves these days, rather we pick whose line we choose to believe and let them tell us what is fact and fiction. I truly find what has become of our country to be very saddening. Once upon a time we fought FOR one another. Now, all we seem to do is fight one other period. b.atkinson? With what you're writing, you have the nerve to call someone a "head in the sand dope?" Perhaps you need to pull your head out of your a-- and see what is going on around you.
Alex, "what is a bad blog?" Correct. Great, I will try Lame American journalists for $800.
Let me tell you what's NEW about the Ayers story... last week new documents were released saying @ 8 years ago, Obama teamed up w/ Ayers to distribute Annenberg Grant Educational monies... $60 million dollars worth! Ayers tasked Obama to run the program. How many 'guys in the neighborhood' do you know who let you distribute $60 million dollars?!?!? Say what you want about McCain... in fact, he may lose. However, the above information, reported on Fox News is important and shows a much different relationship w/ Ayers that Obama has admitted to!!!
Let Obama talk about the Keating 5... not all scandals are the same! Being associated w/ someone who bombed the capital and tried to kill police officers is a LITTLE different than getting cozy w/ a sleazy consultant!
Hey...if the shoe fits.
Whiteneck said, "McCain is surrounded by many convicted felons, among which many are lobbyists for international terrorism. This is not some fabrication but factully proven: To verify, google up McCain and con men G. Gordon Liddy, Raffaello Follieri, Doug Goodyear, Doug Davenport, Charlie Black, Tom Loeffler, and Peter Madigan, Carl H. Lindner Jr, etc. The list goes on."
Umm...Any of these folks try to blow up the Pentagon or US Capital??
Does anyone else find it interesting that we have a Presidential candidate who probably could not obtain a secret clearance under normal circumstances?? I've had many former employees who have applied for clearances, and I've sat with many agents who asked questions about known associations. Obama's request would probably end up on the "shred" pile after such an interview, and he is the Democratic candidate for President. This is some kind of joke, right? At any minute, I fully expect Hillary to jump out from behind a curtain and yell, "SURPRISE!!"
After Nov. 4 when Obama and Biden have been elected, these fools will STILL be talking about non-stories like Bill Ayers. Thank God the American people are finally looking past these irrelevant, hateful stories.
This lame line of attack has failed to gain traction outside of the Rush/Hannity black hole of ignorance for over a year now. It's not going to work now. As a liberal, and a proud Obama supporter, I'm thrilled to see that the GOP has now completely given up running on the actual issues and are now throwing their final Hail Mary. The polls have Obama trouncing McCain by nearly 200 electoral votes, and we're less than one month from election day! It's OOOOOVER!
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Then why don't you step up, superpatriot Xi Jah? Statrt your own blog, along with b.atk and shoeshine, and make a difference. Or you could whine all day on Will's blog. and you are right, the media didn't dig up old sermons of Rev wright. The media hasn't already covered the Ayers story during the primary. Btw, how do people know about the fundraiser then? or the board they served on together? If the media never covered this, then how are you aware of it? Do you have inside sources?
Oh, and let us know how far you wanna take tis guilt by association. Past Keating 5, Ted Hagee, Rod Parsley, his PA co-chair, there's also G gordon Liddy. A convicted felon in the Watergate break in, whom McCain called an "old friend" and whose house hosted a fundraiser for McCain. He advised the Branch Davidians to murder ATF agents: "Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches." And he's quite the fan of Hitler: "When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body.""
http://mediamatters.org/items/200411230004
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column
Oh, and let us know how far you wanna take tis guilt by association. Past Keating 5, Ted Hagee, Rod Parsley, his PA co-chair, there's also G gordon Liddy. A convicted felon in the Watergate break in, whom McCain called an "old friend" and whose house hosted a fundraiser for McCain. He advised the Branch Davidians to shoot ATF agents: "Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of b--ches." And he's quite the fan of Hitler: "When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body.""
http://mediamatters.org/items/200411230004
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column
Oh, and let us know how far you wanna take tis guilt by association. Past Keating 5, Ted Hagee, Rod Parsley, his PA co-chair, there's also G gordon Liddy. A convicted felon in the Watergate break in, whom McCain called an "old friend" and whose house hosted a fundraiser for McCain. He advised the Branch Davidians to shoot ATF agents: "Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... K-ll the sons of b--ches." And he's quite the fan of H-tler: "When he listened to H-tler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "H-tler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body.""
http://mediamatters.org/items/200411230004
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column
You all miss the point. You are as bad as the mainstream media filters. John McCain is a maverick. Gosh, it really is so simple. Maverick, maverick, maverick. Charles Keating, maverick, maverick ... hey! how did that get in there?
Echo get your facts straight. "Obama launched his IL Senate campaign in the Ayers's living room. He served on the board of an organization Ayers founded and controlled."
1) Obama was invited to Ayers house by State legislator Alice Palmer not Ayers. 2) Ayers did not start the foundation on which they both served on the board. It was started by Walter Annenberg who by the way - a Republican and a Ambassador in the Nixon administration. 3) Ayers had nothing to do with Obama serving on the Board it was invited to join by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation.
G-ddamit jsfox, you MUST be a terrorist if you know all this stuff. There's no other way, since obviously the liberal MSM is ignoring it.
"Actually, it's not that hard to believe at all. " What is not hard to believe is that Attytood is fully and operationally integrated into the Obama campaign, given that you are spouting Axelrod's talking points here. So how do you get them, Will? Email? Conference calls?
db, if you wanna discuss talking points, look at the nuts on this board who have taken Maverick Palin's talking points about ayers and ran with them. This association was discovered months ago, nothing else has been found. If you want to continue slinging it against the wall while Rome burns, have at it. The rest of America and the world are watching.
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I shall vote Democrat this Novemeber! And I advise some to be more deeply concerned about Mr. McCain's judgment in choosing an obviously ill-prepared VP running mate. There were many more highly qualfied women (and men) he could have chosen.
Truth hurts, seriously if you hated America who would you want as our president this election??? Even better ask the common thug on the street who he plans on voting for? Who do you think???
Truth hurts, seriously if you hated America who would you want as our president this election??? Even better ask the common thug on the street who he plans on voting for? Who do you think???
There is a reason why McCain Adviser says that if we "talk about the Economy, we will lose!" That is because they have no good ideas on the economy for the Middle Class. Their ideas and solutions only benefit the rich, well-off and well-connected!
A Prayer for Barack...........Beautiful!
http://vmm918.dailykos.com/
Five Myths of McCain (in Video)!
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2008/10/03/five-myths-about-john-mccain/
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McCain Fudges HIs Navey Record
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/mccain_fudges_his_navy_record.html
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China Bush/McCainStyle: “We have been taught to fear and despise China as a communist threat. Simultaneously, our political leaders and the media perpetually preach the benefits of capitalism. Meanwhile the most clear and present threat from China is their capitalism. Made in China is the most published modern phrase. By investing the proceeds of their national productivity they have become the kings of capitalism and are now the primary source of goods worldwide. It is not their pretended politics of communism that we should be concerned about. We already have that here. We have been outsourced, out produced and our intellectual property is infringed, duplicated and returned to our shores by the containership load.” The Creditory System, Hari Heath
Xijah is keepin' it real. Kudos to XJ !
RG, an honest question....I understand why some people do not spell out the name of the deity, as you did above when you said "G-ddammit". Why however, did you do the same when spelling Hitler's name as "H-tler"?
A judge ruled last week that Palin's abuse of power investigation can continue in the Alaska Legislature. Now, some of Palin aides will testify but Sarah and Todd believe they are above the law and mock justice by refusing to cooperate in this investigation. What are the Palin's hiding? By refusing to cooperate and testify I can only conclude that Sarah Palin is guilty.
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No problem, legatus. It kept getting caught in the filters, so I tried blunting any words that might have flagged it. Oddly enough, it was either k-ill or H-tler.
McCain's pick of Palin reveals a reckless and risky decision-making process by a man is close to death. Do you really trust this man if he feels Sarah Palin is the best person to be his running mate? He mocks traditional Republicans by saying a woman who likes to wink a lot is contpent to be CiC. Once again, McCain demonstrates how out of touch he is with the American people. They want a leader, not a senile old guy who flails around in a crisis.
The majority of Americans saw through this first Ayers link when it was first used by John "Desperate Attempt" McCain the first go around. It quickly faded from the top news stories of the race. Now because Palin has no grasp of the issues, her strategists want to bring it up again because they want to take the strategy of planting doubt rather than talk about substance. Desperation is a stench that can be smelled from miles away and this corpse has been dead for a long time
If Bill Ayers is/was such a dangerous terrorist, why didn't the Reagan, Bush I, and Patriot Act-enhanced Bush II Justice Departments get him off the streets or off charity boards or out of classrooms? Could it be more evidence that while they excel at hurling accusations, they can't govern worth a danm? Me thinks tis so....
If Obama was a Republican I would have no problem voting for him. I don't care about known terrorists like Ayers, or American bashers like Rev. Wright, or the fact that his wife would probably be more comfortable living in France. What scares me are the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schumer, Byrd, and a host of other Democrats gaining more power.....
The Viet Nam era contained lots of violence on all fronts. The FBI operated a counter-intelligence program named COINTELPRO that incited violent confrontations among social activist groups and smeared community leaders, including Dr. King. Fred Hampton in Chicago was shot dead lying naked in his bed by police. Kennedy authorized attempts against Fidel Castro. Malcolm X and Dr. King were killed in suspicious circumstances. Axelrod's father was president of Chicago's Commonwealth Edison, the power utility. Axelrod enjoys the prestige, power, and priviledge of his birth. Axelrod teaches in Chicago at a branch of the state university. To isolate him out of context, to look back 40 years ago when Barack was 8 years old, to smear Barack by such a filmsy association is a sad commentary on the notion of "Country First." This is just more politics as usual when you have no policies, fresh ideas, or leadership and judgement skills to offer to empower your own candidacy. McClain wants to win not by knock-out, but by default!
Just the last desparate death throes of a campaign collapsing to a slow torturous merciful end...McLame had nothing in the beginning, and is now at less than zero. Most recent polls (and new voter registration applications) show not only an Obama victory, but now are pointing to a potential 60 member majority in the Senate. The Rethuglicans long ago sold their souls to the wacko radical religious right (in their effort to make the US a christian Iran), and in the process have guaranteed themselves a place alongside the Whigs as a dead party. But hey, they got Dobson's support!.......Hope they think it was worth it.
The best the Democratic Party can do is put up a man who doesn’t know who is friends our and doesn’t understand the sermons he hears? Funny, how you can defend it. It is a statement about how stupid he thinks voters are. Second point, Catholics have been called to vote for pro-life candidates and break ties with parties which support the pro-choice agenda. Obviously, the party hitting rock button is the Democratic Party. It enlists a candidate which is clearly thinks down on us and secondly, the party cannot work with one it’s largest voting blocks pull support.
The astonishing scummy sleaze of the scumbag McCain is without end. He has no substance. He himself is filthy dirty. He helped Keating in the 1980s for huge campaign bucks. He gave Don Diamond huge amounts of public land for more campaign money. he is a cheat. He dumped his wife because she was damaged. Now, he wants ultimate power.
he cannot be trusted. he is already senile, and has had quite recently a TIS - watch his face - very concerning.
Obama is the only choice this time. We are going to DESTROY the repukeliscumian tu.rds in the GOP. I am looking forward to the election night this year. DESTRUCTION is not just a river in Nigeria, GOP.
Fisher - So Palin then must have understood she was being "blessed" by a witch doctor? And it is the right's insane act of voting on ONE issue, regardless of all the other hypocritical illegal and immoral acts perpetrated by the "anti-choice" lunatics (Iraq, death penalty), regardless of the results of their OTHER actions (500B deficit), that has driven them to irrelvance. It just proves again the old adage - the right believes in the sactity of life - until you are born.....BTW - Your comment about the Catholics is more proof why the tax exemption for ANY AND ALL religous organizations should be eliminated. The Constitution (remeber that?) guarantees freedom of speech - not freedom from taxes.
Let's talk about Todd and Sarah Palin's involvement with the AIP. Todd was a card-carrying member of this separatist movement for years. Sarah Palin has given speeches at the AIP conventions. Who's ACTUALLY "palling around with terrorists"? Let's take a look at what the AIP founder has said about the American government. He has said some pretty digusting things. Let's also talk about Palin's involvement with another domestic terrorist..her witchdoctor pastor. The GOP better be careful where they want to take this, because the Dems are ready, willing, and able to turn the table right back at them. Be careful for what you wish for GOP. You will not win this argument.
Barack Obama did NOT launch his career in Chicago from Ayers livingroom. Ayers hosted one of those ubiquitous house parties to introduce Obama to people in the neighborhood and raise money. It was not a campaign launch any more than I'm a Nobel Prize winning writer for posting this. GET REAL.
I was an young adult during the time the Weathermen were running around behaving evilly and I don't condone what they did -- they can make excuses for themselves that they didn't intend to kill people, but the DID kill people (some among their own numbers). They were foolish and vicious and wrong.
I don't know Mr. Ayers or his wife, Ms. Dorn, today. I have no idea what amount of regret they may or may not have. I do know that they have not involved Barack Obama in any nefarious behavior -- they spend their time now working to improve education in Illinois.
What do the folks that Todd Palin pals around with do? Collect guns and plan on ways to secede from the United States (the country their founder says he HATES). I have not heard Ms. Palin repudiate THAT group. How come is that, huh?
Abraham Lincoln said this about bringing our country together, and it still resonates with me. I think it would resonate with Sen. Obama, too:
" I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."
The republicans will do anything to win this election. What about McCains "really good friend" who advocated shooting Federal agents in the head because they wear body armour? See the details at www.republicantricks.com
Clearly RG worships H-tler, duh! An "honest question"? What a joke.
One more. Mr Ayers did not "task" Barack Obama with anything. You gotta read all the news, not just the shorthand bilge handed out by the parties. Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with suggesting Barack Obama for participation on the committee that eventually became more closely associated with groups Mr. Ayers was actively engaged in. Suggestions to the contrary are just false, as stated by the people who WERE instrumental in all of that happening many, many years ago. Mr. Obama being in the same room with someone, or being on a board of directors for Annenberg Group (an incredibly CREDIBLE organization, for crying out loud) does not rise to the level of scheming to get a crony off the hook for fraud, nor does it rise to the level of giving happy speeches to an anti-American secessionist group that one's spouse is a member of, nor to praising a Witch Hunter for a blessing that helped one become governor of a state (and NOT in the 1600s, but just a few years ago -- !!!).
And how about we stop with all that Messiah crap, huh? It's old.
Under the constitution, religious organizations can state their ideas and what the core values of their religion. They can state to vote for candidates, which share those values. Since Roe vs Wade 1973, crime is up, violent crime way up, divorce is some common one does not know someone who hasn’t been, families are fragmented, and we grow deeper in debt. Liberals want someone to handle it. Instead of realizing your family needs you to be a moral leader, and keep your house improving in wealth and values. Instead, you abort them, and not you want the government to abort you debt. LJL enjoy Obama's inflation, unemployment, and the death of the Democratic party.
Fisher, your rambling incoherence is amusing. Blaming Roe v Wade (which I morally oppose, but legally understand) is an interesting tactic. Especially since 1980, we've seen 20 years of Repub presidents that have been unable to reverse the decision, which would only throw it back to the states instead of banning it outright. In those same 20 years of Repub rule, we've seen deficits and spending grow.
"Clearly RG worships H-tler, duh! An "honest question"? What a joke." What a moron!! It WAS an honest question, as RG rightly understood. It is only YOU who came to the conclusion that my QUESTION had such implications. If I wanted to make such an implication, I would've been much more clear about it. If I wanted to make such an implication I would've responded in such a way to his sensible answer. You are an idiot Politburo, for making such a statement!
Wow, talk about your scapegoat! So this is all because of Roe vs. Wade.
I am appalled at the tack the McCain campaign has taken. Some of the comments posted show just how gullible Americans remain to politics of fear. I am REALLY afraid of the McCain and Palin witchhunters.
I admire the Obama campaign for holding it's head up during this mudslinging contest and not mentioning that aside from Todd Palin's obvious association with a radical Alaskan secessionist group, there has always been McCain's close and friendly association with G Gordon Liddy... a man McCain praised on his radio show, accepted donations from, who has called him "an old friend" ... and has served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary"; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton. Now remind me, who is consorting with terrorists?
Why does Todd Palin want Alaska to secede from the United States?
Hey legatus. An HONEST question. When did you stop beating your wife? Lol!
Wow, more guilt by association fun. At Recent Palin rallies, the crowd's been a tad ruly.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
I one does not want to be accused of being friends with terrorists, perhaps they should not befriend terrorists...?
Does anyone know if Will has gotten over his terrible headache?
This McCain crap is all a setup for the big terror alert right before the election.
Republicans should take care with the “pallin around with terrorists” tag:
President George W. Bush welcomed Gerry Adams, political spokesman for the I..R.A. (Irish Republican Army) a well-known terrorist group, to the White House in March of 2006.
And Republican Congressman Peter King, Chair of the House Homeland Security Committee, was a long-time supporter and apologist for the I.R.A. (They only attacked military and political targets
No, not the scapegoat, just the tipping point to the end of the Yankee know–how and drive. Live without debt, live with you family and neighbors, and help each other. Those devoid of morals sit on both sides. However, if some morals were head high, Clinton and Bush II would never be elected. A draft dodger and someone with highly questionable military service would never get to represent their party. If democrats had any morals, Obama would never become a Senator. Change must come from within us, so we can demand their respect. We lost it with Row vs Wade. SteveMG and RG tipping points matter most.
Good point bon. Guess which candidate actually did befriend terrorists?
And if a certain maverick doesn't want to be accused of being tied to lobbyists, maybe one shouldn't fill their campaign staff with them. You know, especially after that icky Keating 5 scandal.
I find it rather ironic that Sarah Palin's church supports "Jews for Jesus." Palin's pastor argued that the Palestinian terrorist acts against Israel were God's "judgment" on the Jews because they hadn't accepted Jesus. lolz............
SBVFT says:
>Will - can you PLEEEZE get Charles Johnson from LGF to
>redesign/re-engineer this blog and the comments section?
>My patience is wearing thin.
If the comments interface annoys _you_, it's a feature, not a bug.
Hey moron, learn to read. Clearly my post was contrasting the fact that while some people won't spell out the name of the one they worship, that clearly is not the case with RG's spelling of H-tler. So the HONEST QUESTION (which was answered honestly and without perceived insult by RG) is why did you spell Hitler the way that you did, since it is obviously NOT the same reason that people don't spell out the name of the One they worship. I simply wanted to know why he did it. Regarding your question about beating my wife tps...f**k you, you lowlife p*ssy.
why is b.atkinson so rude to fellow americans. the anger is palpable. This is the first election in a long time where the American voter has a clear choice between candidates on the issues. Health care, Veteran's benefits, the war, the economy, the environment, education. Each candidate offers proposals on these issues worth comparing. Studying them, I know as a small business person and parent, Obama offers a the future for America I want to see for me and my children. Smearing candidates with lies is nonsense!
This "relationship" is so tenuous at best. Sitting on a board is not "palling around." We have boards here at work where half the people don't even like each other. But more to the point. If Ayers, and I'm in no way condoning his earlier actions, is truly a "terrorist" and such a grave threat to the nation, why isn't he in jail? Why is he sitting on education reform boards? Why is he a university professor? I mean, this is just desperate guilt by association from a campaign that has no vision, no plans, and no future. Sarah Palin just gave the keynote address to a political party who's founding member advocated secession from the U.S. and her husband was a member. THAT'S palling around with people who don't see the U.S. like everyone else.
What a shameful, disgraceful turn for a campaign team that is so out of touch, so full of fear and hate, it speaks volumes to their integrity and their judgement.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
snowbunny, you must be new here. b.atkinson, SBVFT Contributor, The Genius, shoeshineboy and XI Jah are some of the many republican lackeys on here who don't come with much in the way of facts and they don't listen to any facts that don't fit their agenda, "facts? we don't need no stinkin facts!" They are VERY good with insults, name calling and such. Very much like the Bush administration for the past 8 years and the McCain/Palin ticket.
John McCain would pay for his health plan with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid, a top aide said, in a move that independent analysts estimate could result in cuts of $1.3 trillion over 10 years to the government programs.
I was asked about William Ayers & Obama on the IMC site. I Googled the reference and decided to go with the hardest-line right-winger that came up early in the search, David Horowitz and his "Discover the Network" site. Not impressive (Clarification: I'm impressed with how responsibly Horowitz covered it, not impressed with the seriousness of the charge). Basically, Horowitz cited the fact that Obama and Ayers were both on the same board of directors from 1999 to 2002 and he then quoted a few heated anti-Bush Administration comments. That was about it.
".f**k you, you lowlife p*ssy...." And once again, we have a fine example of a "values voter" Republican. I just can't figure out why legatus constantly posted on here how much he enjoys Ricky French's elaborate fantasies about sex between men and excrement. It seems so inconsistent with someone who would also post: "f**k you, you lowlife p*ssy." Lol!
bunny, what is it, 12% think this country's still on the right track, and you ask yourself "Who could possibly be so stupid?" Well, there they are
Watch this snowbunny. One of the usual lackey suspects will come with an insult in 3,2,1...
While Low-Expectations-Sarah is a member of the AIP - Alaska Independence Party - who want to SECEDE from the UNION (aka Civil War Part 2)
Sexy Sarah thinks she is going to a new House following Nov 4. The question is, which House? It looks like the Big House to me. She cheated BIG TIME on her taxes, and failed to report about $50,000 in income. You can do some serious time for $50,000 in failure to report income.
Plus there is her abuse of power in Alaska. She also violated the law by telling people to vote a specific way on a voter initiative. She also changed zoning laws in Wasilla to give herself an unfair advantage in selling a personal residence.
She lied on expense accounts. She stole about $48,000 from the people of Alaska.
The woman is a toxic swamp of abuse of power, power used to exact revenge, cheating on taxes, lying about rape kits, one of the most dangerous rightwingnut proto-nazis I have seen in a long time.
Nope...not a "values voter" at all. In fact at this point I am getting so disenchanted with McCain's negative campaigning, that I am really up in the air as to who will get my vote...Obama still scares me as being too far left, but I might end up voting for him. FWIW, I've voted for more Dems than Reps in presidential races during my lifetime. Having said all of that, it doesn't mitigate the fact that I find you to be a lowlife p*ssy who would say things on a blog that he'd be afraid to say to my face....so f**k you, and if you'd like me to say it to your face, just tell me when and where.
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All the digging Hill did during the primaries found nothing.
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If I was a Republican I would be far more concerned about Mr. McCain's judgment with his selection of an ill-prepared Ms. Palin as his VP running-mate. Many thoughtful conservatives have openly expressed such concern.
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Not ONE person on here has condoned any of the violence the Ayers is accused of doing. It must be great to be a republican lackey and just throw "crap" on the wall and see what sticks. Once again these guys will have you believe that only they love America and if you are a Democrat that means that you must not. Someone should tell all of those democrats in the military that are fighting in the middle east right now.
As a right-leaning moderate (fiscally right leaning, socially left-leaning) I tend to agree with you DRG. She worries me.
"I am getting so disenchanted with McCain's negative campaigning" Its sad, but thats all he has left. he could have stuck with experience, but threw that out the window, presumably to appease the base, with the Palin pick. and his continued insistence that the economy was strong, along with connections to Gramm etc, have hurt him as the crisis expanded. this is all he has left. Meanwhile, Obama has pretty much stayed on message, unflappable, through good times and bad, instead of panicking when new polls came out. On top of that, he exercised great patience with the Keating 5 commerical, waiting for the most opportune moment to unleash it. and McCain can't complain after the barrage of negative ads he's put out. So onone hand we have a candidate that flails about, and on the other we have one that implements and executes a long term strategy, regardless of the day to day nonsense.
War is terrorism by the rich (not to mention wars based on lies). Therefore, McCain and Palin are closely associated with the biggest terrorists of our time - Bush, Cheney, Rice & Rumsfeld.
"and if you'd like me to say it to your face, just tell me when and where...." Whoa! Tough guy. Fine legatus, I'll meet you in front of the bodega at 33rd and Diamond. 3:00 AM, tomorrow morning. You'll be recognize me by the tatoo of the Swastika on my neck. Oh, and btw, tough guy, you see, it wasn't that I thought you were suggesting that RG worshiped H-tler, it was only that I was concerned about the "appearance" of you making such a suggestion. And you must have been aware of that appearance, since you prefaced your absurd post with, "an honest question." Why would anyone doubt that it was an "honest question?" Of course you'd have to preface your analogizing RG's spelling of H-tler with the spelling of God without the vowel, because your realized the absurdity of your analogy, and that your comment could be misintepreted; I was only concerned that some poor slob of an American that isn't as bright as you are might misinterpreted your real intention. Lol!
I see that John McCain was born in 1936. Hey, Hitler was alive in 1936. So, applying the razor sharp intellect of Republicans everywhere, it follows that McCain and Hitler must surely have been pals.
If you realized that my comment could be misinterpreted and that I went to great pains to avoid said misinterpretation, then why would you deliberately misinterpret it. The fact that you realized that I was trying to prevent misinterpretation is proof positive that you were simply being a lowlife p*ssy by acting as if you thought that I was making a "when did you stop beating your wife" type of comment...you have now admitted that knew better than to think that, yet you STILL made the comment. You are scum.
Lol! You see, legatus, you could simply have said "Hey, RG - what's up with the spelling of H-tler?" Instead, you chose the route of "Hey RG, not that I mean anything by this, but why would you change the spelling of H-tler the same way some devout people change the spelling of the person they worship." Keep spinning, legatus. Tough guy.
C'mon, lgatus clealry didn't mean to insinuate anything. As I spelled those words like that, i expected at least a few questions on why I did so. I've had enough "debates" with legatus to fully believe that he meant absolutely no harm in his question.
By the time Obama met Ayers, he was working with the mayor to improve education in Chicago. I guess we all need to research everyone whose paths we cross. From Ayers biography...
(http://billayers.wordpress.com/biography-history/)
"William Ayers, Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), and founder of both the Small Schools Workshop and the Center for Youth and Society, teaches courses in interpretive and qualitative research, urban school change, and teaching and the modern predicament. A graduate of the University of Michigan, the Bank Street College of Education, and Teachers College, Columbia University, Ayers has written extensively about social justice, democracy and education, the political and cultural contexts of schooling, and the meaning-making and ethical purposes of students and families and teachers. His articles have appeared in many journals including the Harvard Educational Review, the Journal of Teacher Education, Teachers College Record, Rethinking Schools, the Nation, the New York Times and the Cambridge Journal of Education. His books include A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), The Good Preschool Teacher: Six Teachers Reflect on Their Lives, (Teachers College Press, 1989), and To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher, (Teachers College Press, 1993) which was named Book of the Year in 1993 by Kappa Delta Pi, and won the Witten Award for Distinguished Work in Biography and Autobiography in 1995."
Well that succeeded beyond my wildest dreams... legatus, it's too easy to push your buttons and it was a perfect opportunity that I couldn't let go. I'm surprised that TPS is seriously making the argument, but based on past history I probably shouldn't be. And as an aside to no one in particular, the phrase "an honest question" has always confused me, as it carries the implication that previous (or subsequent) questions are not honest.
Actually, RG. I agree with you - to a point. Just having some fun at legatus' expense - which only gets funnier the more "tough guy" he gets. Seems the guy has a bit of a thin skin. However, I do have to say that when I saw your spelling of H-tler, it seemed immediately obvious why you had done that. I'd think that anyone who posts here as regularly as legatus does would have recognized the reason also. Hmmmm. And I sure don't agree with your apparent opinion of his accountability - the guy never fails to parrot a Republican talking point or argue absurdist rationalizations for far-right, lunatic, frightwing ideology (take, for example, his claim that he trusted Ifill, but was "concerned" that "some voters" might be upset about the "appearance" of bias) - and the whole time claiming that he's "considering" voting for Obama. Believe that? If so, I've some real good loans I'd like you to consider investing in. For me, it doesn't pass the credibility test.
"If so, I've some real good loans I'd like you to consider investing in." You mind if I borrow a whole bunch of money to do so? I'd also like to insure them with some CDS' as well. I think legatus likes to play devils advocate, usually with those on the "left". I think he/she enjoys debate.
I asked my question the way that I did for the simple reason that, within the space of two posts, RG deleted a vowel within the word God and also within the word Hitler. I was saying that I understood why he would've done it with "God", but I didn't understand why he was doing it with "Hitler". He understood my meaning, you understood my meaning...because my meaning was clear. But apparently you look for reasons to b*tch anyway. Even now when I repeatedly tell you what was my intent, you try to tell me that I'm wrong. As if I don't know what was the intent of my own question! Do you really think that if I was trying to imply what you laughingly say that I was trying to imply, that I would now say something other than that. I would simply be pushing further the idea that his use of the word "H-tler" proves that he worships nazis...or whatever the h-ll you are acting like I was trying to say. P*ssy.
"I think he/she enjoys debate..." Nothing wrong with playing devil's advocate. And debate is what this whole blog thang is about. FWIW, I've never seen legatus play devil's advocate with anyone on the right. That's fine, but when that's true, it makes claims about being a "moderate" suspect, IMO.
You've got me pinned RG. I do like to play devil's advocate. When it comes to debating, I am reminded of Tom Landry's definition of a good coach. He said something along the lines of "a good coach can his his'n and beat your'n or take your'n and beat his'n." Likewise, a good debater can take either side of an argument. It is usually more challenging to argue a side that you do not necessarily espouse. Notwithstanding tps' view of my credibility re Obama, etc....the reality is as I stated earlier in this thread. I am very much a moderate. I have no problem voting for the candidate that I view as the best...regardless of policy. Oh, one more thing, I really do find tps' persona on this forum as despicable. I hope he is not like this in real life.
Oops, that's "a good coach can TAKE his'n and beat your'n or take your'n and beat his'n"
Oops again, I can't believe that I said "regardless of policy". I meant regardless of party.
SBVFT Contributor+LGF ??? --- all my questions regarding SBVFT have been answered
Its a liberal blog, so its easier to play devils advocate with the left, otherwise its an echo chamber. Plus, past bon and db, not really sure how many regular righties one can debate with.
Impressive insight RG. It's also difficult to have a persona as a right-winger and left-winger simultaneously. Anyway, I guess my cover is blown now.
Thanks, RG...Two things, I think you meant ot say that this is a left-wing blog and if you think this is a left-wing blog, you've never really seen onea. Second, here's the dictionary definition of liberal:
A. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. - Certainly nothing ANY REAL AMERICAN should be ashamed of.
A. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. - Certainly nothing ANY REAL AMERICAN should be ashamed of.
"It's also difficult to have a persona as a right-winger and left-winger simultaneously." Esepcially when both groups seem to be filled with idealogues.
"Certainly nothing ANY REAL AMERICAN should be ashamed of." Don't disagree at all. Reminds me of my father's complaints during the mid to late 90's on how liberal was becoming a dirty word. I, like, legatus would consider myself a social liberal, fiscal conservative. However, there are key beliefs in both that I disagree with.
Montco, there is nothing to be ashamed of in being conservative either. The caricatures which people on either side of the aisle have of those on the other side are truly ludicrous. To be honest (oops, there I go again...not that I WASN'T being honest prior to this, tps. sheesh), I find that there seems to be more and more people on the extremes of the right and the left...and on neither side do they represent true conservatism or true liberalism respectively.
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Everyone around Osamabama is dirty but him...Yeah right! You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. He's as dirty as they come.
Ha, so the Republicans want to call Obama a "terrorist symphathizer" because he associated with Ayers. Let me see now, the United States is rekindling its relationship with Libya, a country accused of the Lockerby bombing of Pan Am air over Scotland. Is the US cuddling up with terrorists? What's your response you GOP "no-nothings"? Condy Rice just visited Libya about two months ago.
If I was an undecided voter, I would want to hear from the GOP candidates about what they are going to do with the economy, health care, jobs, etc., not this dirty rethoric. Palin definitely was not a good choice for McCain.
Sincerely
Chimurenga Chakafa
Robert Asher, a Republican National Committeeman from Pennsylvania -- and a felon convicted on public-corruption charges.
Asher, a local power broker who runs a family candy business in nearby Montgomery County, was convicted in 1986 for his involvement in a scheme to bribe public officials to win a no-bid state contract. Asher had raised money for Rudy Giuliani before his withdrawal from the race in late January, and signed on to McCain's campaign in February.
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batch you've been posting that garbage since the primaries.. at least 6 months. Do you think if you repeat it just a few more times, it will magically become true?
b.atkinson - why don't you make a poster saying "Obama - friend to terrorists" then go to your nearest airport with it and rant all you want. Good luck with keeping your soon-to-be cell mates off your ass. The moral is: if you can't say it at an airport, YOU'RE WRONG!
Guild by association is the dumbest argument made yet. McCain and Palin are dishonorable by making such accusations. Because Obama knew Ayers doesn't mean he shares his ideals.
If you think he does, then you must believe that John McCain and Charles Keating are buddies and shared a bank account together.
Moreover, the whole argument is a detractor from the real issues that McCain has no good answers for: the economy, healthcare and the war in Iraq.
Hey b.atkinson - in reading your previous posts, it's apparent that you are just as mean and nasty as your party. No surprise there.
I am not surprised at all! Not by the racist rethug of a pig or the racists comments that I am seeing on this site. After all this is PA, also considered part alabama. They would rather a racist old con artist, that accomplished nothing own his own in his life, probably because he reminds them of theirselves. McCain had strings pulled to get into his navy college, was not even smart enough to get in there own his own. Compared to a very very intelligent black man who has more sense in his finger than JM has in his entire body. BO is a Harvard graduate who got accepted on his on merits WITHOUT THE HELP OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. For the racist people in Pennsylavania, you don't have to be intimidated by successful blacks we won't bite, and we are not going anyhwere! I am sure that you'll would love to bring slavery back! Not ever going to happen we are to smart to ever allow something that horrific to ever happen to us again!!!!!!!!
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A lifelong Democrat, I would have voted for John McCain in 2000. Whatever happened to him?
The "ties" are tangential. They live in the same area, Ayers has been involved in education issues in Chicago for quite some time now. Dozens of people - both Repulicans and Democrats in that area would have the same "ties" and the board they chaired together was made up of Republicans and Democrats. And in 1995 Ayers held a fundraiser for Obama at his house. That seems to be the end of the story. Not sure why this is "news"....the same story was covered and dismissed as b.s. 8 months ago.
It's actually quite normal that Obama would not have known about Ayers' past. Let's say you are a rising political figure like Obama in 1995...in your mid 30's...would anyone assume that someone 20 years older than you working on education issues in Chicago and working with establishment figures in city government, had a radical past nearly 30 years before that? Of course not. How well do people know their neighbors? Typical guilt by association b.s.
Muck CAIN, If they are running the campaign this way, are we supposed to change our minds, now and support him? A great way to appeal to independents, and mavericks. Very maverickie!
b.atkinson - based on your posts, it's apparent you are just as mean and nasty as your party. No surprise there.
First I sent an e-mail to my local GOP Representative condemning this. Second, I find it hard to believe that the readers say that Obama should have know about Ayers. Hey, I'm 65, I lived thru that era and I forgot about it. What is wrong with you people. Ah yes, you want to win an election and anything goes, Well it doesn't. You people who are spouting this trash are the terrorists. You are against the very things this country stands for. Now shut up, sit down and do your homework.
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