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Dog day evening
So I had this really weird dream last night that it was 1997. Bill Clinton's speech last night was funny, folksy -- and at least 10 minutes way too long. Springsteen concerts can go for four hours. Political speeches? No so much. I think he did make the compelling case that on the economy, Obama's policies -- the ones that somehow weren't filibustered or roadblocked -- kept a recession from becoming a depression and won't pull us back to a dystopian future like those favored by Mitt Romney.
I thought the boldest passage was this one, even though it didn't get as much attention:
Though I often disagree with Republicans, I never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate President Obama and the Democrats.
He noted some instances of bi-partisan cooperation, and praised President George W. Bush for his AIDS programs in Africa, which was applauded by delegates. Then he added:
When times are tough, constant conflict may be good politics but in the real world, cooperation works better. After all, nobody's right all the time, and a broken clock is right twice a day. All of us are destined to live our lives between those two extremes. Unfortunately, the faction that now dominates the Republican Party doesn't see it that way. They think government is the enemy, and compromise is weakness.
That's a fundamental truth of today's politics. Those who try to analyze the current landscape and ignore it are doing us all a disservice.
No I'm sorry will no matter how much his policies may have "helped" -- he promised so much more. I mean, forget that most don't understand that on the deficit promise, for instance, well, they don't know the difference between the debt and the deficit. But nevermind -- he promised so much more. He should have been able to put into place an economic team that could have accurately guessed the extent of the Lesser Depression. The far right, emobodied by someone like atkins here -- doesn't hate the POTUS -- they just ably realize hes a Kenyan Marxist mediocre student who somehow got into Harvard Law School without merit.— Murrayman- Compromise. Bringing us such wonderful things such as the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and TARP.— RG
- Thank you GOP. — chasing history
- "He should have been able to put into place an economic team that could have accurately guessed the extent of the Lesser Depression."
His economic policies were so awesome that the economic team that helped put them together is no longer working for him.— RG - "Unfortunately, the faction that now dominates the Republican Party doesn't see it that way. They think government is the enemy,"
What a crock of s--t. The Republicans love big government and spend like it.— RG - The Republicans love big government when they control the checkbook. — DavidAG
- The wingnuts are still trying to figure out what hit them. The confusion results from never having seen human beings before the Democrats took the stage Tuesday and Wednesday. They were shocked at the sight of something they had never imagined: humanity. Today, many posters from Goober Nation are pulling out ad hominem attacks on Clinton. It was a reminder to me that the GOP has doubled down on what Clinton once termed "the politics of personal destruction".When Obama gets a bounce in the polls next week, which he surely will, it'll be back to basics for conservatives: blame the 'librul' media. (HTML deleted)— wokmaster
- "I mean, forget that most don't understand that on the deficit promise, for instance, well, they don't know the difference between the debt and the deficit."
Ok, genius, tell us...did Obama promise to cut the debt or the deficit in half? Or is that specific detail unimportant in your forced defense of this pathetic admin? Lapdog.— bp*philly - "They were shocked at the sight of something they had never imagined: humanity."
Did "humanity" show up before or after the democrats booed god and jews?— bp*philly - It was not the Jews but it was a radical wing of Israel which thinks they alone should control Jerusalem.
The god stuff is all crock.— DavidAG - "They were shocked at the sight of something they had never imagined: humanity."
Lotta humanity in drone bombing civilians and locking up people for medical marijuana.— RG - Whatever hate that Clinton imagines that "the far right" has for Obama pales in comparison to the hate that the far left and the media had for Bush. Anyway, wasn't it Clinton that said during the 2008 primary, when Obama was cleaning Hillary's clock: "a few years ago this guy wouldv'e been carrying our bags". Now you know that if those words came out of any Republican politician from the souths' mouth how the media would have been framing it and drawing comparison between the Republican politician and Bull Conner.— Phishface
- What nonsense, the hated spewed last week was horrible and deploring. — DavidAG
- "I never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate President Obama and the Democrats." Yeah sure, that's about right; the right hates and progressives like yourself show nothing but love for "the other". Clown.— m13sully
- "Ok, genius, tell us...did Obama promise to cut the debt or the deficit in half? Or is that specific detail unimportant in your forced defense of this pathetic admin? Lapdog." Bow wow wow, yippy yo yippie yay, bp bringing his A game most every single day. I believe it the deficit that was promised to be cut in half. Any attempt to quantify this of course will be met with drivel (Obama signed the 2009 FY spending proposal, 2013 is only an estimate). But for giggles, the 2009 deficit was ~1.4T. The 2013 spending proposal estimates a FY deficit of ~900B. Most of this of course is due to a recovery due to market forces. The extension of the tax cuts adds to this deficit. Of course Obama should have known at the time he made his 'deficit in half' speech he would have to compromise with a Republican led House. Nonetheless, with all else equal, the decrease is about 500B. This of course isn't 'in half'. But its a good start. Assuming the recovery limps along, the cuts expire, and off-line item budgeting for Afghanistan decreases, the estimated deficits in the future are shown to be getting increasingly smaller. Of course this still adds to the debt. That's where the Republicans find the time to be deceptive. They suggest the promise was to reduce the deficit, and yet the debt has increased. Yeah, you can 'cut the deficit in half' and still have the debt increase. Very complicated.— Murrayman
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