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Monday, April 21, 2008

The fall-out from last week's presidential debate continues -- I was honored to help write a part of Frank Rich's headline this weekend, and I've also been called a few new names from the right. My open letter to ABC's Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos drew by far the most email of any blog post I've written since I started doing this in 2004, and most of it's been positive (wow!). Thank you so much, all of you on both sides, for responding.

It's time now to look forward past the debacle, but we can begin by looking back...way back. My friend and Attytood reader Joe Sixpack (read the blog, buy the book) sent me this last week, and I thought folks would find this interesting. It's the questions from the first Kennedy-Nixon debate in 1960.

The debate was held on Sept. 26, 1960. The moderator was Howard K. Smith of, ahem, ABC News, and the panelists were Bob Flemming of ABC, Stuart Novins of CBS, Sander Vanocur of NBC, Charles Warren of Mutual.

The questions are self-explanatory: 

Senator, the Vice President in his campaign has said that you were naive and at times immature. He has raised the question of leadership. On this issue, why do you think people should vote for you rather than the Vice President?

 

Mr. Vice President, your campaign stresses the value of your eight year experience, and the question arises as to whether that experience was as an observer or as a participant or as an initiator of policy-making. Would you tell us please specifically what major proposals you have made in the last eight years that have been adopted by the Administration?

 

I'd like to ask this: It's a fact, I think, that presidential candidates traditionally make promises to farmers. Lots of people, I think, don't understand why the government pays farmers for not producing certain crops or paying farmers if they overproduce for that matter. Now, let me ask, sir, why can't the farmer operate like the business man who operates a factory? If an auto company overproduces a certain model car Uncle Sam doesn't step in and buy up the surplus. Why this constant courting of the farmer?

 

Mr. Vice President, since the question of executive leadership is a very important campaign issue, I'd like to follow Mr. Novins' question. Now, Republican campaign slogans - you'll see them on signs around the country as you did last week - say it's experience that counts - that's over a picture of yourself; sir uh - implying that you've had more governmental executive decision-making uh - experience than uh - your opponent. Now, in his news conference on August twenty-fourth, President Eisenhower was asked to give one example of a major idea of yours that he adopted. His reply was, and I'm quoting; "If you give me a week I might think of one. I don't remember." Now that was a month ago, sir, and the President hasn't brought it up since, and I'm wondering, sir, if you can clarify which version is correct - the one put out by Republican campaign leaders or the one put out by President Eisenhower?

 

Senator Kennedy, in connection with these problems of the future that you speak of, and the program that you enunciated earlier in your direct talk, you call for expanding some of the welfare programs for schools, for teacher salaries, medical care, and so forth; but you also call for reducing the federal debt. And I'm wondering how you, if you're president in January, would go about paying the bill for all this.

  

Mr. Vice President you mentioned schools and it was just yesterday I think you asked for a crash program to raise education standards, and this evening you talked about advances in education. Mr. Vice President, you said - it was back in 1957 - that salaries paid to school teachers were nothing short of a national disgrace. Higher salaries for teachers, you added, were important and if the situation wasn't corrected it could lead to a national disaster. And yet, you refused to vote in the Senate in order to break a tie vote when that single vote, if it had been yes, would have granted salary increases to teachers. I wonder if you could explain that, sir.

  

Senator, you've been promising the voters that if you are elected president you'll try and push through Congress bills on medical aid to the aged, a comprehensive minimum hourly wage bill, federal aid to education. Now, in the August post-convention session of the Congress, when you at least held up the possibility you could one day be president and when you had overwhelming majorities, especially in the Senate, you could not get action on these bills. Now how do you feel that you'll be able to get them in January if you weren't able to get them in August?

 

Mr. Vice President, do I take it then you believe that you can work better with Democratic majorities in the House and Senate than Senator Kennedy could work with Democratic majorities in the House and Senate?

  

Senator Kennedy, on another subject, Communism is so often described as an ideology or a belief that exists somewhere other than in the . Let me ask you, sir: just how serious a threat to our national security are these Communist subversive activities in the today?

  

Mr. Vice President uh - in one of your earlier statements you said we've moved ahead, we've built more schools, we've built more hospitals. Now, sir, isn't it true that the building of more schools is a local matter for financing? Uh - Were you claiming that the Eisenhower Administration was responsible for the building of these schools, or is it the local school districts that provide for it?

Posted by Will Bunch @ 12:25 PM  Permalink | 28 comments
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Posted 12:35 PM, 04/21/2008
E.Plebnista
Why don't either JFK or RMN wear tiny American flag lapel pins on their coats? JFK's is obviously missing and Nixon's isn't evident from other angles. Of course, people on radio thought that they were both wearing tiny American flag lapel pins.
Posted 01:37 PM, 04/21/2008
Molly
Substance and civility. How very last centuary! Those were the days my friend......
Posted 01:54 PM, 04/21/2008
ivb
On the other hand, this wasn't the 22nd debate between these two. Will did you check out the montage that Jon Stewart did of Obama's responses to the substantive questions? Seemed as uncertain and mumbly as he did with the stupid flag question. Stewart wound up his bit by suggesting it would be better to go back to the flag question. Seems like Obama is great orating to large groups (and I heard him do that in 2000), but not so good one on one. That's going to prove a problem against McCain.
Posted 02:00 PM, 04/21/2008
SteveMG
Jeez, talk about quoting out of context, going by a 60 second montage of all the debates! I am curious if anybody noticed the way Eisenhower threw Nixon under the bus when he said he'd need a week to think of a contribution?
Posted 02:06 PM, 04/21/2008
Kenneth Rudd
From the transcripts: HOWARD K. SMITH, CBS News, moderator: Good evening. The television and radio stations of the United States and their affiliated stations are proud to provide facilities for a discussion of issues in the current political campaign by the two major candidates for the presidency...the candidates will answer, or comment upon answers to questions put by a panel of correspondents. In this, the first discussion in a series of four uh - joint appearances... FRANK MCGEE, moderator: Good evening. This is Frank McGee, NBC News in Washington...Tonight the candidates have agreed to devote the full hour to answering questions on any issue of the campaign. BILL SHADEL, moderator: Good evening. I'm Bill Shadel of ABC News. It's my privilege this evening to preside at this the third in the series of meetings on radio and television of the two major presidential candidates. QUINCY HOWE, moderator: I am Quincy Howe of CB- of ABC News saying good evening from New York where the two major candidates for president of the United States are about to engage in their fourth radio-television discussion of the present campaign. Please take note of the one word not used to describe these historic news broadcasts. Back then, the media knew the difference between a joint press conference and a debate.
Posted 02:12 PM, 04/21/2008
Michigander
If Obama's biggest Pennsylvania supporter was seen on tape praising Louis Farrakhan, the media would be asking Sen. Obama to "denounce and reject." This is posted at Daily Kos and Jabberwonk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA The YouTube tape is there also. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA Pennsylvania Governor Rendell Praises Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam
Posted 02:13 PM, 04/21/2008
James TL
He didn't do so well in this last debate (I only heard about it and saw a couple of clips because I was in the Philippines the last two weeks) But Obama reminds me of JFK and that's why I'm going to be voting for him tomorrow. His level of experience is about the same as JFK and there aren't many people that would say JFK was a bad president. Just to remind everyone....he was against escalating the Vietnam War (which may have ended up getting him killed). It was only after his death that the War was escalated (yes, by another Democrat). I think Obama has the right stuff to be a good president and would be a breath of fresh air after the last 7+ years. Obama '08!
Posted 02:22 PM, 04/21/2008
Kimberly
Thank you for the clip. There is a lesson here for the press. The 4th Estate fails in its duty to all of us when it tries to cross politics with the WWF. Howard Beale would have done a better job moderating the debate last Tuesday.
Posted 02:22 PM, 04/21/2008
Kimberly
Thank you for the clip. There is a lesson here for the press. The 4th Estate fails in its duty to all of us when it tries to cross politics with the WWF. Howard Beale would have done a better job moderating the debate last Tuesday.
Posted 02:22 PM, 04/21/2008
Kimberly
Thank you for the clip. There is a lesson here for the press. The 4th Estate fails in its duty to all of us when it tries to cross politics with the WWF. Howard Beale would have done a better job moderating the debate last Tuesday.
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Posted 02:40 PM, 04/21/2008
Talking point sleuth
....and an absolutely whacked Philly columnist named Will Bunch ...... Heh.
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Posted 03:30 PM, 04/21/2008
jeffreyg61
Just in! DOJ is monitoring the elections in Philly to make sure Hispanic voters are accommodated.
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