Glenn Beck and other Fox News types have been telling anyone who will listen -- and remarkably, that's several million people -- that President Obama is scheming to take away their guns (a falsehood that has already had lethal consequences.) Meanwhile, out in the reality-based world, the Verizon rule is in effect -- more guns in more places, including, yes, bars:
Cities and counties across Tennessee are preparing this week to deal with the fallout from a raft of pro-gun bills recently signed into law in the state, where Republicans are flexing their new-found strength in the legislature.
Among the new laws is one that would allow people who have gun permits to carry guns in all public parks in the state. Another would exempt from federal regulation guns and ammunition made in Tennessee and kept within its borders.
And that's not all:
Gun-rights advocates say expanded rights are needed so that law-abiding citizens can protect themselves in more situations. The new Tennessee laws also include measures that will allow permit holders to carry guns in bars and restaurants, if they are not drinking alcohol, and to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in their vehicles if the ammunition is in the magazine but not in the chamber, although it can be in the chamber for purposes of self-defense.
Why?
“The purpose of this bill is to let people know we have state sovereignty and the federal government has no business telling us what to do,” State Senator Mae Beavers, a Mount Juliet Republican who sponsored the bill, said in an interview.
Exactly -- this whole thing is driven by politics, and a red state standing up to the big, bad and increasingly blue federal government in D.C. It's not about a sudden realization in 2009 that the way to make people safer is to encourage people to bring guns into bars (but tell them they're not supposed to drink!). At lrast Tennessee lawmakers haven't made it legal to carry guns into a church, like the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church where a man named Jim David Adkisson strolled in during a play and fatally gunned down two people.
For all the yukking it up about people running for governor in places like Georgia talking about secession, there's a very serious slippery slope forming here. And defying the handful of very weak federal laws regarding guns is that first slippery step.
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It's not about a sudden realization in 2009 that the way to make people safer is to encourage people to bring guns into bars (but tell them they're not supposed to drink!).--------------------------- Gotta love those less educated Red states don't ya.
"Gotta love those less educated Red states don't ya." lang, you set the blog record for misspelled words in your last post. I suggest you take a good look in the mirror if you're looking for 'uneducated'.
"Exactly -- this whole thing is driven by politics, and a red state standing up to the big, bad and increasingly blue federal government in D.C." That's right, Goober. And guess what? Those people in Tennessee don't give a d@mn about some effete, whiny liberal blogger and his keyboard muscles. Makes ya angry, don't it? lol
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Genius might want to check the murder rates per capita by state. If he did, he'd find that they're overwhelmingly in the South. (The murder rates in Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, NC, Oklahoma, SC, Tennessee and Texas are all higher than Pennsylvania's.) And let's say the words: anyone who thinks it's a good idea to make it legal to carry guns in bars is either more interested in grand, futile and dangerous gestures or an outright moron. Which, of course, is a pretty good description of most of Will's trolls.
Yo, Genius read the paper --- or at least DiTurno - Philadelphia democrate are being killed also,,, it's a shame you can't print a single thing without race -- Conservative Logic (or lack thereof) at best. and Bll - those RedNecks don't give a dang about anything but cashing their check on the first of the month at the local tappy and buying another gun and hopefully having a buck or two left over for toothpaste. - Don't worry about a dictionary, like you,they can't spell either.
The Philadelphia Democrats lead the country in murders and Will makes fun of the red states...typical leftist. How are those gun laws "banning guns" working in liberal Philadelphia, Will?
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"Yo, Genius read the paper --- or at least DiTurno - Philadelphia democrate are being killed also..." Oh, another great point janann. That makes it all ok. Y'all keep shootin' out there. Moron.
A number of years ago there was columnist in DC who railed incessantly about gun control. His name was Carl Rowan. Typical liberal. Do as I say, not as I do. Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot a teenage trespasser, Neil Smith, who was using Rowan's swimming pool in Washington, D.C.. Rowan used an unregistered .22 LR pistol. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate. In a 1981 column, he advocated "a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period." In 1985, he called for "A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel)." Typical elitist, and a columnist. Using liberal illogic, all columnists have guns. How many do you own Will? (The incident details were cut and pasted and not copyright covered). Oh yea, the big cities with the high murder rates are run by liberals. Just sayin'.
Oh, I forgot one thing. Must have been quite a barn burner of an appearance in NYC for the book. Amazon.com Sales Rank: #20,049. He goes to flog this puppy in the east coast heart of liberal land and the rankings go down 5000 spots. Will, are you gettin' the message buddy?
"why is aged news better than real news?" Comedy Gold: NYT Grants Access and Interview to The Daily Show; Hilarity (Schadenfreude) Ensues ace.mu.nu/archives/288549.php
Thanks, Georgel -- there's nothing like a 20 year old anecdote about a single person to really clarify an issue. Those paint chips you've been noshing? Not such a good idea.
Gun laws, ie 2nd amendment, weren't instituted to protect us from each other, rather from the tyranny of an evil government. unfotunately, both civilians and our government have turned for the worse. Our leaders, both conservative and liberal, don't seem to know. Instead of blaming each other, maybe working together to resolve hate and ill will is the answer.
And SBVFT again demonstrates why spam generators have a better command of the English language that he does: "Liberal formica thrustward eaping! Zeitgeist mooing, mooing, mooing."
i would love to explore this whole secession thing further. i form my own republic, and leave you foolish americans to argue over how to dismantle your constitution, one liberal, leftist step at a time. in my country, we have an axiom to live by......"an armed society is a polite society". thank you and good night.
Yes, Scorpio: Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan the border regions of Pakistan, as well as large parts of Philly, all demonstrate that an armed society is a polite society.
Uh, you guys do know that Philadelphia is part of Pennsylvania, which is for all intents and purposes a wholly owned subsidiary of the NRA. So there are no strict gun laws here, especially since any efforts at city gun laws have been struck down. So what in God's name are you talking about "all the gun regulations in effect here"? Also, I love how the murderers here are "Philadelphia Democrats" -- I didn't know that killers had party IDs, as in, "convicted killer Phil Spector (D-Calif.)" You guys are in top form!
diturno, nothing wrong with shooting if the right people get shot. the garden spots you name lack a balance of power. the idea is to have everyone armed......no chance for hapless victims. look man, i'm just punchy from reading of all these brainless shootings in the nether-regions of this city. and punchy from the liberal response, that is, more worthless, ineffective, feel good gun laws, that only hit home with those of us who already obey the law.
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"Uh, you guys do know that Philadelphia is part of Pennsylvania, which is for all intents and purposes a wholly owned subsidiary of the NRA." Yes, I remember the NRA in Pa. endorsing Obama. I'm sorry, what? Try again, dummy. And of course, Philadelphia is 80+% registered Democrat. African Americans voted 90+% Obama. So naturally, all the shootings are being committed by Republican African Americans. Of course, bunch is a suburbanite. He doesn't know the first thing about Philly. Just another poseur...
DiTurno, why all the ill feelings? Just using the liberal argument template. Find a "victim" or stupid premise (like Will's point here) and make it the story. Several stupid assumptions in his post. 1-When you drink, you shoot people. 2-Everybody going in the bar with a gun INTENDS to shoot people.3-Everybody going into a bar is a bad person with bad intentions.4-Guns are never used in self defense. 5-all legal gun owners are criminals. Now,keep in mind most people in most bars don't have a gun or a CC permit. If you guys read the 2nd amendment the way you read the first, we would all HVAE TO ARMED. For the record, I am not a gun owner.
I agree, Scorpio -- clearly, the problem is that there aren't enough guns in North Philly. Let's pass them out for free, like those 20% off coupons for Bed, Bath and Beyond.
All in favor of sending DiTurno into North Philly to disarm the Democrats, say 'aye'...
Georgel, there aren't many people who could cram that much wrongness into a single post. By the way, please go to Wikipedia and look up "straw man." Thanks!
aye.....but hes gotta start in the bars. think about it diturno. your solution would solve all ills, very quickly.
Bill at just got my vote for Wingnut du Jour. He's the guy you see sitting at the end of the bar, ranting about things he knows nothing about, like politics and women's bodies.
"WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that 'everyone guessed wrong' on the impact of the economic stimulus, but he defended the administration's spending designed to combat rising joblessness." Of course, by 'everyone guessed wrong', Slow Joe meant 'the Messiah and his idiot rumpswabs' guessed wrong. Slow Joe seems to have forgotten that all by 3 Republicans voted against that obscene bill that was doomed to fail. As always, being Biden means never having to say you're dealing in reality. One heartbeat away...God help us all.
Batty, one heartbeat away: does that mean you would prefer the Moose Mama to be in that position?
well, she does have better legs. better a milf than a moron.
Is DiTurno really TPS? Almost as pithy-and,like TPS, a moron.
"At lrast Tennessee lawmakers haven't made it legal to carry guns into a church, like the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church where a man named Jim David Adkisson strolled in during a play and fatally gunned down two people." You make the gun rights case for us, Will. By your own post, what Adkisson did was illegal at the time - carrying a gun into a church - but the law did not stop someone with murderous, criminal intent - but did prevent the law-abiding from protecting themselves. Now, compare that result to Colorado Springs, where a mass murder came into the church firing and was stopped by a woman with a legal CCW license. And, once again, CCW permit holders are by definition law-abiding citizens who seek to protect themselves and those around them from folks who don't follow the law. Oh, and please demonstrate how state efforts to expand CCW somehow violate or usurp federal laws. Here's a hint - THEY DON'T - CCW is a state issue. Even the new federal law allowing CCW in national parks defers to state laws as to what is legal in a given park in a given state. If you are truly serious about fighting gun crime, drop your irrational fear of CCW and instead work on key factors for gun crime - such as keeping violent felons in prison for a long time and protecting witnesses to violent crimes so the thugs cannot intimidate them.
"If you are truly serious about fighting gun crime..." He's not serious about it. Like all far left liberals, bunch likes to hear himself talk but never intends to lift a stubby finger to actually fix something. The important thing to bunch is to convince himself thta he 'cares'.
40 states (including PA) allow licensed carry permit holders to carry their self-defense handguns into restaurants that serve alcohol. Tennessee is just catching up with its "progressive" brethren. Now that is news!!!
Will-congrats on your lefty liberal book sales #20,049 on amazon. I heard that you bought all of the nones sold already.
"...we have state sovereignty and the federal government has no business telling us what to do..." Gee where have I heard THAT before. The R's just keep getting more and more extreme. Pretty soon, Repub congress critters like Michele Bachmann will be considered members of the moderate wing of the party. It looks like the R's are looking to beat Moses' record. But it's not funny. How many women's clinics will be bombed, how many Jewish daycare centers will be shot up before the party shrinks down to the size of a Neshoba County Klaven?
"Instead of blaming each other, maybe working together to resolve hate and ill will is the answer." Agreed, Dmel, but maybe there is a reason the media has this script they keep playing - to artificially pump up the hate (other than just sensationalizing things to boost ad revenue) perhaps? Divide et impera - how do we keep watch on our government and large corporate powers when we citizens are at each others' throats (you pinko Liberal pansy! - you right wing creep!).
Congrats, Hamlet - you go from regurgitating the most recent bilous left-wing talking point against the right wing to wondering why we all can't just get along - in consecutive posts. And I thought Linda Blair could spin on a dime...
Classic, Hamlet. Just classic.....Classic idiocy that is.
>>bows<<< Thank you gentlemen. For my next trick...
Actually, I believe the increasing extremism of the right is mostly American media-driven. But, I didn't expect bp and dp to get what I was saying - the right wing creeps ;)
{Posted by Hamlet 12:21 PM, 06/16/2009
Actually, I believe the increasing extremism of the right is mostly American media-driven. But, I didn't expect bp and dp to get what I was saying - the right wing creeps ;)} No we got what you're saying.....we just noticed the blatant hypocrisy you included in your second statement as opposed to the first, Dope.
"No we got what you're saying" No you didn't, but as I said I didn't expect you to. Get on the bus! The short bus, baby! Get on the bus...
Try to cover your tracks much, Hamlet? Nitwit.
I don't have to. I think you would have trouble tracking Big Foot.
Riiiiiiiiiiight, Hamlet, riiiight.
From THE TENNESSEAN >>"It would strike me as a bit unusual that a local ordinance would trump a state law. That's not usually how it works," said Sen. Doug Jackson, a sponsor of the guns-in-restaurants bill.<< Nice! The Mayor, the city council and most of the bar owners in Nashville are trying to keep the guns out using local ordinances and beer laws and this yahoo is trying to force it on them. They can still keep the guns out by posting a sign, but it's just a $500 fine for violating it and the bar owners think the signs themselves will scare away tourists. BTW, Jackson is a Democrat!
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