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A very bad law imposed on Pennsylvania by very bad people

POSTED: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 10:03 PM

I'm a little late to the party here -- July 4 week has a way of doing that -- but there was a great story (and by great I mean well-done journalism, not that the actual news is great) last week by my friend and former Daily News colleague Bob Warner. It showed that -- surprise, surprise -- the number of legitimate voters who might have trouble casting ballots in November is a lot higher than advocates for the new Voter ID law claimed it would be:

More than 758,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania do not have photo identification cards from the state Transportation Department, putting their voting rights at risk in the November election, according to data released Tuesday by state election officials.

The figures - representing 9.2 percent of the state's 8.2 million voters - are significantly higher than prior estimates by the Corbett administration. Secretary of the Commonwealth Carol Aichele has repeatedly said that 99 percent of Pennsylvania's voters already had the photo ID they will need at the polls in November.

The new numbers, based on a comparison of voter registration rolls with PennDot ID databases, shows the potential problem is much bigger, particularly in Philadelphia, where 186,830 registered voters - 18 percent of the city's total registration - do not have PennDot ID.

Now maybe you understand just why a top Republican said the law would help Mitt Romney win Pennsylvania, since the voters who are being potentially disenfranchise tend more often to be Democratic, especially the very young and the very poor as well as the very old, There's a legal challenge that's wending its way through the state court system, with its initial hearing slated for later this month. Now you may remember the recent case where the chief justice of the Supreme Court say it's not the job of justices to strike down laws because they don't like the policy.

But this law approved by Pennsylvania's elected representatives is different. It's not even addressing policy (especially since actual cases of voter fraud are virtually non-existent) but a blatant attempt to rig elections by depriving voters of their rights. If you don't like "Obamacare," you can vote out the lawmakers who supported it; but it you don't like Harrisburg taking away your vote, then voting isn't the recourse. It's our justice system, and hopefully they'll strike down this bad, bad law before real harm is done.

Will Bunch @ 10:03 PM  Permalink | 69 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:23 PM, 07/08/2012
    Well then this law is doing all of those people a favor, so they will be able to board an airplane, buy cigarettes or alcohol, open a bank account, cash a check, rent an apartment. You know, things we would like to think most people would want to do at some point in their lives.

    Just think how it will help heal the economy if 9.2% of the people have been utterly shut off from economic activity in Pennsylvania will suddenly be able to participate in our economy. Corbett is fixing the economy!
    Mr. Smith
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:01 AM, 07/09/2012
    Mr Smith Maybe, if you mean increasing the activity of the bureaucracies. (See comment below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:52 PM, 07/09/2012
    is it so hard to get a FREE photo ID from PennDOT?
    barry m goldwater
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:52 PM, 07/08/2012
    Will, I guess you're going to skip right over the bad jobs report? I've never heard of a recovery where jobs created goes down every month.
    AvoidSundanceVacations
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:54 PM, 07/08/2012
    How many of the 758,000 registered voters with no photo ID are dead and buried? Curious minds wish to know.
    DonQ
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:56 PM, 07/08/2012
    a 'solution' in search of a problem. driving a car has nothing to do with voting in a democracy.
    fillyfan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:14 AM, 07/09/2012
    Driving a car also has nothing to do with getting a state-issued photo ID. Get some facts.
    Thad Lawrence
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:02 AM, 07/09/2012
    Thad This is easier said than done for some registered or eligible voters. (see comment below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:53 PM, 07/08/2012
    Driving a car has nothing to do with a lot of activities where a person needs ID. But instead of issuing 15 different ID cards to cover all the situations where a person would need an ID, it's easier and cheaper and more convenient to use a state issued ID because of the integrity of the state ID system.
    AvoidSundanceVacations
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:07 AM, 07/09/2012
    ASV Cheaper and more convenient? That depends on the individual situation. For some eligible or registered voters it can be inconvenient and expensive to get a Voter ID. (see comment below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:23 AM, 07/09/2012
    The last time I checked, you didn't have to be white to walk into PennDOT and apply for the photo ID to which everyone is legally entitled. It's not like there are armed men standing outside, chasing people away they don't like. (That is what happens to some white people who go to vote in West Philly. They're the ones who should be worried.)
    Thad Lawrence
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:54 AM, 07/09/2012
    Thad, are they bringing up the New Black Panthers AGAIN at Fox "news"? Guess when there are enough gullible people some stories never get old.
    BillHicksLives!
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:55 AM, 07/09/2012
    There is far more evidence of climate change than voter fraud, and climate change will cause far more damage. Guess which one right wingers choose to focus on though. Hitler had his "useful idiots", and the Republicans have the Tea Party.
    BillHicksLives!
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:09 AM, 07/09/2012
    BillHicksStillVotes!
    Mr. Smith
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:47 AM, 07/09/2012
    Plus this law doesn't address the one area of voter fraud that you actually do hear about, the abuse of absentee ballots.
    Jets
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:56 AM, 07/09/2012
    So asking someone to provide id to vote is akin to siccing dogs on AAs, but taxing people for not buying insurance from a multibillion dollar corporation is a sign that America works. Got it.
    RG
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:04 AM, 07/09/2012
    RG Not all IDs are the same. (See comment below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:59 AM, 07/09/2012
    "Very Bad People"
    TPS might call that "facile hyperbole".
    Mr. Smith
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:00 AM, 07/09/2012
    There are IDs and then there are IDs. Almost people need IDs in their daily life, and they have them. But not all of these IDs (even the photo IDs) meet the requirements for Voter ID. Then there are some that don't have and don't need IDs. For some of these people to get Voter IDs is very difficult and expensive because of the documentation requirements.
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:06 AM, 07/09/2012
    Lets just tax people who don't have voter ids.
    RG
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:38 AM, 07/09/2012
    This guy is a cartoon clown. Will Bunch, more than any other single person, is the reason the Inquirer and DN are in the financial toilet. The paper just isn't a serious publication with him on the payroll. Truth hurts. (HTML deleted)
    Kaiser Sosa
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:46 AM, 07/09/2012
    FHA backed mortgage delinquencies are rising fast. The government is actively backing very risky loans with tax payer dollars.

    "FHA's risky borrowers: FHA doesn't make loans, but it backstops lenders if borrowers stop paying. With this guarantee in place, banks are more likely to offer mortgages to borrowers with lower credit scores or incomes.
    Housing experts have been warning for years that many FHA-insured loans are not sustainable, especially in these troubled times. That's particularly concerning because FHA's share of the market has swelled in recent years as lenders pulled back on providing mortgages that weren't backed by the government.
    One of the main critiques of FHA loans is that they require very low downpayments -- a minimum of 3.5%. In an environment where home prices are declining, borrowers can quickly slip underwater and owe more than their property is worth."
    RG
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:06 AM, 07/09/2012
    To Thad Lawrence @12:23am: Not everyone can walk, like you can. Not everyone lives close to a PennDot office. Not everyone can take a few hours off work to get to PennDot to stand in line (or lean on their cane or sit in their wheelchair) to do the paperwork. Not everyone has a copy of their birth certificate lying around the house. So they have to go through the above effort to get it, THEN go to PennDot & go through it all again. Just to do what they've been doing for years—vote at the same polling place in their neighborhoods. I work at the polls. It will be heartbreaking to have to tell my elderly neighbors that I've known for years that if they don't have this new photo ID, they can't vote anymore. Btw, I doubt they're being asked for photo ID to buy cigarettes & alcohol, or boarding many airplanes or renting many new apartments.
    demit
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:11 AM, 07/09/2012
    Voter Fraud Non Existent? Does Will remember all those articles the Inky ran in the 1990's about Philly fraud and dead people voting? Is there any evidence anything has changed since then?
    CD75
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:35 AM, 07/09/2012
    ok. but by that measure if you are a contractor doing business with the state, or you work for a company that does business with the state, than you also should not be allowed to vote.
    Ryan
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:31 AM, 07/09/2012
    This just means that people have plenty of time to get their IDs. There shouldn't be any excuse come November.
    Commentdant_Klink
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:29 AM, 07/09/2012
    C Klink Time is not the issue for some voters, it's difficulty and cost. (see reposted comment below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:34 AM, 07/09/2012
    Tell us what exactly it is black people are getting in this city that warrants non-stop black victimization as part of the DNC propaganda strategy. Anyone? We not only dont have a single media critic in the city, we have out and out propagandists and cheerleaders for the failed status quo. You have to wonder how much the Editors and writers at this newspaper are on the take for.
    tr88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:36 AM, 07/09/2012
    We need more laws so it seems as if we care about people. As for enforcing them? Racist.
    tr88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:41 AM, 07/09/2012
    You honestly think this is designed to 'rig elections'? You're mental Will.
    bannedrepublican
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:39 AM, 07/09/2012
    of course it was designed to rig elections. if you think that both parties don't have plans on rigging your elections, you're delusional.

    one of the chief architects of the PA law, Mad Mike Turzai (R-Allegheny), basically admitted as much when he told republicans "voter ID, which is going to allow Mitt Romney to win the state- Done"
    Ryan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:41 AM, 07/09/2012
    The Voter ID law IS a blatant attempt to get traditional Democratic voters not to vote. There should be a better argument against it however, than "You're being mean to people who can't be bothered to get a non-driver's license every four years."
    Jay from Philly
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:31 AM, 07/09/2012
    Jay THere are other arguments. (See report below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:48 AM, 07/09/2012
    Just photoshop Corbett in some white sheets and say what you really want to say.
    RG
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:57 AM, 07/09/2012
    Opposition to voter ID laws means you support voter fraud.
    georgel
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:24 AM, 07/09/2012
    When you become an employee and fill out the paper work for withholding and I9 verification, you must show a photo id and SSN card. So how are these employable and paying taxes, that would be a more serious issue.

    Fisher
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:27 AM, 07/09/2012
    Reposting since some obviously missed it - There are IDs and then there are IDs. Almost people need IDs in their daily life, and they have them. But not all of these IDs (even the photo IDs) meet the requirements for Voter ID. Then there are some that don't have and don't need IDs. For some of these people to get Voter IDs is very difficult and expensive because of the documentation requirements.
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:32 AM, 07/09/2012
    the intentions of the law were quite obvious when the struck down the language in the bill that would have made other forms of ID acceptable for voting. College ID's, and ID's for assistance programs were specifically excluded from the bill because the entire point was to make sure those types of voters couldn't vote.
    Ryan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:32 AM, 07/09/2012
    Gerogel Not so. (See reposting below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:33 AM, 07/09/2012
    Fisher Not all voters are employees. (See reposting below)
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:34 AM, 07/09/2012
    you know, it wasn't that long ago that in order to vote you had to be a white male who owned property. or as republicans call it: the good old days.
    Ryan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:35 AM, 07/09/2012
    Ryan 2 very good examples of what I described. All IDs are not the same as Voter IDs.
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:37 AM, 07/09/2012
    Landscape get some facts: "If you do not have one of these IDs and require one for voting purposes, you may be entitled to get one FREE OF CHARGE at a PennDOT Driver License Center. To find the Driver License Center nearest you, and learn what identification and residency documentation you will need to get a photo ID visit PennDOT's Voter ID website or call the Department of State's Voter ID Hotline at 1-877-VotesPA (1-877-868-3772)."

    Free is not expensive and going to PennDot is not a life changing major task in life.
    http://www.votespa.com/portal/server.pt/community/preparing_for_election_day/13517/voter_id_law/1115447
    Fisher
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:44 AM, 07/09/2012
    Fisher Details, details, it's in the details. The cost is not for the ID, it is for the documentation that one needs to get the ID. Also you assume that it is possible and cost free to travel to a DOT site.
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:13 AM, 07/09/2012
    Details or complaints? Your are a complainer, you need a SSN or a birth certificate. travels expenses are a minimum at the moment and oh btw we need to travel to vote probably too. So ... Why not the fairy bus come pich you up, register you and vote for you too. You are what is wrong with this country! No solutions, just complaints. You are a product of Will, no research just complaints.
    Fisher
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:42 AM, 07/09/2012
    This article states that there are 758,000 registered voters without Pa. issued ID. How many of those registered voters are deceased. How many of those voters are actually illegal or illegal immigrants. How many of those voters are registered in 2 or more states. Just because they are registered that doesn't mean they are all on the up and up.
    dewdad
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:52 AM, 07/09/2012
    The willful ignorance and thinly veiled racism of some philly.com regulars is as reliable as the sun rising in the east. What you won't admit is that you don't WANT eligible black Democrats to be able to vote - that is, after all, the point of this law. In your ideal world, only white males who listen to Rush and sit hypnotized before the Fox shrine will be able to vote.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:59 AM, 07/09/2012
    If all of you complaining about *all* these instances of dead people voting and living ones voting more than once in 2012 could produce *any* concrete evidence, I would be more inclined to think there's a problem. All I'm hearing now is, "There just is!" Ridiculous to force PA residents and counties to spend so many millions on practically nothing.

    There's nothing necessarily wrong with spending millions to make sure our voting system is as secure as can be, but if any of you cared about that, or about making it easier for living people who are legally permitted to vote to do so, why would you ever support keeping the current Voter ID law? It's burdensome, selective, expensive and convoluted.

    Don't be surprised when a whole lot of Republicans and libertarians can't legally vote either come November!
    Aaron G. Stock
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:03 AM, 07/09/2012
    The bottom line is that registered voters who HAVE been able to vote in the past will not be able to vote IF they don't have this ID- period. Interestingly enough it's different in each state, so what does that say about a person's RIGHT to vote if they are properly registered? It says that their basic rights are being tampered with.
    Filly5
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:10 AM, 07/09/2012
    If you are dead you can't be present at the polls and sign your name at the same time, and illegal immigrants don't take the chance of being found out. People are not thinking they are basically repeating silly mantras that have no validity. There is NO reason to deny a 90 year old person the right to vote who has already been voting for 70 odd years.
    Filly5
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:06 PM, 07/09/2012
    Are you really this stupid? If so you should not put it out there for all the world to see. If you do not have to show id, then anyone can come in and say they are the dead guy and vote for him. By the way, give an illegal 10 bucks to do it and I'll bet a thousand he would. Get in the real world you nitwit.
    savetherepublic
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:24 AM, 07/09/2012
    So the right to bear arms shall not be infringed and any attempt at common sense regulation is seen as akin to Nazi Germany, but infringing on someone's right to vote because of a non-existent threat is OK. Got it.
    BillHicksLives!
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:34 AM, 07/09/2012
    The headline illustrates the mentality of liberals. If you disagree with them, your a bad person. Just more evidence liberalism has taken on a religious/fundamentalist dimension.
    jmc
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:05 PM, 07/09/2012
    if you want to take away a citizen's right to vote: yes, you a are a very very bad person.
    Ryan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:48 AM, 07/09/2012
    Dang, if it isn't delivered to their front step it's an insurmountable burden. L@zy is as l@zy doesn't do.
    2ndNlong
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:50 AM, 07/09/2012
    Plenty of time left for the dems to scrape up the homeless and go get them id's before the election. They seemed to be able to get them to the voting booths prior to the last election, i am sure they can work with them to get a simple ID so we know who the heck they are. Just sayin...its not that difficult people. (BTW, classic Will Bunch trying to turn common sense into racial profiling..nice work)
    Sane1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:53 AM, 07/09/2012
    The Fifteenth (race or color) and the Nineteenth (Women) Amendments merely state that the right to vote shall not be denied on account of race or color (15th) or sex (19th).

    Nowhere does it say that the right to vote cannot be limited to those that prove who they are.

    Get an ID or don't vote. I don't care which side gains or loses votes because of this. It is a more than reasonable request for the precious right to vote.
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:53 AM, 07/09/2012
    The Dems should run this ID program hand in hand with the upcoming forced healthcare tax....then we can double the proposed injustices to all americans.
    Sane1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:06 AM, 07/09/2012
    Make welfare recipients get photo id's....Problem will be solved overnite.
    bannedrepublican
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:21 PM, 07/09/2012
    What is it with "BillHitlerLives!" fascination with Nazism?

    "Hitler had his "useful idiots", and the Republicans have the Tea Party"

    "any attempt at common sense regulation is seen as akin to Nazi Germany"

    Just weird, man.
    Mr. Smith
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:43 PM, 07/09/2012
    The Republican party most likely did a quant. analysis asking what would happen if people without IDs were not able to vote in the general election. The testing concluded that it would cause the Republican party to most likely win the state. So they passed the law. Then they manufactured a reason for the law, and had their minions run with it --- right down to georgie and all the other shills. They could care less about voters. What do voters have to do with gaining and consolidating power? Oh wow everyone look at the very thorough analysis from RG regarding FHA delinquencies. Why do think it is he only shows analysis for a very narrow time frame? Notice the inclusion of the effects of PMI. Lol, gotta laugh.
    Murrayman
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:07 PM, 07/09/2012
    ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) wrote these ID laws and had them introduced to the legislature in a number of states. ALEC is also responsible for a number of other horrible laws including the infamous stand your ground law in FLA. the laws benefit the wealthy corporations that control ALEC, which subsequently controls the GOP in many states (including Corbett and friends).
    Ryan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:59 PM, 07/09/2012
    Personally Will, I want to thank you for addressing this issue in a fair, rational, and civil manner. After all you could have inflamed this issue by using a picture of a cop siccing a dog on a black guy. Now that would have been over the top, not to mention dishonest, race baiting, and uncivil. Oh, wait...
    savetherepublic
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:11 PM, 07/09/2012
    For all you naysayers .. see demint's 806 post
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:34 PM, 07/09/2012
    Fisher What research did you do? One needs both a SS card and a birth certificate, passport, citizen certificate or naturalization certificate. Almost everyone has a SS card, but maybe not the others.
    landscape
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:36 PM, 07/09/2012
    You guys have to get off the Turzai quote. Once again taken out of context.

    If you think that the only way the opposition party can win is if they cheat, and you address the method of cheating (via voter ID), what else would he say excpet that now Romney can win? All he is saying that if we level the playing field by getting rid of fraudulent votes by the opposition, we will win the election.

    The fact that he states Romney will win the election if the voter ID laws hold, only means they have prevented fraudulent votes. What's wrong with that? All we ever hear is that it is the Republicans that promote voter fraud. If that's the case, wouldn't Dems WANT to stop all voter fraud?

    No ID, no vote.
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:43 PM, 07/09/2012
    Anyone that doesn't vote in November, whether they are republican or democrat, because they don't have or refuse to get ID frankly doesn't deserve to vote.

    This is especially true this year given the importance of these elections to the future of this country.
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:52 AM, 07/19/2012
    "All [Turzai] is saying that if we level the playing field by getting rid of fraudulent votes by the opposition, we will win the election." It's great for him to think that, Wiseman6, but 1) I bet he has no concrete evidence**, and I'd hope for his sake that if he did, he'd be screaming about the particulars to make sure we all knew about it, and 2) the Voter ID law he helped enact doesn't solve what few irregularities there are. What the law does do is restrict a whole bunch of voters who haven't voted twice, who are very much alive, and whose right to vote is being unnecessarily hindered. (**This means there were 0 fraudulent (meaning criminally deceptive) votes not caught under the pre-Nov. 2012 system (but if there were, they likely came from elections officials, so Voter ID law is useless), meaning the system worked (I don't know how many votes, if any, were caught.))
    Aaron G. Stock


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