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Safe and secure

POSTED: Sunday, October 7, 2012, 11:16 PM

Good news about my friend the former Daily News intern Jose Antonio Vargas:

Jose Antonio Vargas, the writer and activist who went public last year with his status as an undocumented immigrant, was arrested for a driving infraction in Minnesota on Friday, but federal immigration authorities did not detain him or take any other action, officials said Saturday.

Vargas, a former Washington Post reporter who revealed his status in The New York Times Magazine and touched off a debate in the journalistic community, was initially pulled over by a state trooper for driving while wearing head phones, Eric Roeske, public information officer for the Minnesota state patrol, told POLITICO.

“He did produce a Washington driver’s license” after being pulled over, Roeske said. “When the trooper ran the license, it showed the status [of the license] was canceled. It also indicated there may have been fraudulent activity associated with the license. That’s why [it might have been] canceled. That triggered the trooper to look into that further and contact ICE (U.S Immigration and Customs Enforcement).”

Roeske, who had no details about the possible “fraudulent activity” regarding the license, said Vargas, who was in Minnesota for a speaking engagement that he ended up missing, “spoke to our captain that works with ICE, he had some conversations with Mr. Vargas.” Roeske said he didn’t “know what the nature of that conversation was.”

I guess Jose must have said the secret word ("Swordfish"?) because he remains a free man here in the United States -- fighting for the rights of people like himself, who were brought here as children, to remain and be recognized as Americans.

Will Bunch @ 11:16 PM  Permalink | 145 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:03 AM, 10/08/2012
    So, basically, you are upset that this was not made a national story with your own narrative tacked to it? That non-Republicans all over the country weren't shown for how evil they really are once and for all?

    It must be because that liberal media is covering up for these evil vermin.

    A vote for Romney is a vote against the Anti-Christ!
    Hamlet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:04 AM, 10/08/2012
    Wiseman, I do not consider drone attacks torture. I consider them a better alternative than to send our men into harms way. I agreed with Bush when he began this program and I believe Obama has done right by continuing the drone attacks. It is warfare. We can not sterilize warfare.

    As to your first question, I don't know whether I could be considered a true barometer of the left. As you can see from my earlier post, I am not in favor of the "Dream Act". In my opinion, it encourages illegals to come to America, have children and suffer no consequences. Nor does that law reward immigrants who played by the rules and followed the law.

    But, no, I don't agree with torture because I fear it gives hostile nations the green light to do it to our POW's. When we ignore the Geneva Convention, how does that make our military men and women any safer?
    wokmaster
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:13 AM, 10/08/2012
    @wokmaster- Geneva convention doesn't apply to terrorists not uniformed to a specific country. You know that.

    As an aside, do you think that Iran or any other country in that area even knows what the Geneva Convention is, let alone would consider abiding by it? Geneva Convention was to set the ground rules for war more or less. I doubt that suicide bombs strapped to kids were ever contemplated as being an acceptable method of conducting war.

    I do agree with drone attacks based on the best intelligence as to who is being targeted. I would much rather this approach than to send Americans into that s-hole. However, if you think that US torture of terrorists is needed to give them 'justification' to do it to our guys, you are sadly mistaken. See Pearl, Daniel.
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:22 AM, 10/08/2012
    "being against drones or torture would not necessarily be a reason to reject Obama's candidacy even beyond concluding that someone else should get your vote."

    Oh, the Kool Aid is much worse than that this year, TPS. The Republicans are crowing that Romney won at a debate in which he was lying so much, he could have done well in a Democratic primary against Obama.

    When I hear and read the words "honor" and "integrity" come out of these peoples' mouths and keyboards I just shake my head. And with the Citizens United decision, the amount of brainwashed and NewSpeak-speaking Americans is only going to increase.
    Hamlet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:22 AM, 10/08/2012
    Wiseman

    I agree that terrorists are considered "enemy combatants" and that jihadists will continue to act like the savages they are. I do believe that Iran abides by the Geneva Convention. They have had quite a few prisoners that I'm aware of. None have been tortured, to my knowledge.
    wokmaster
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:22 AM, 10/08/2012
    ===]]] However, if you think that US torture of terrorists is needed to give them 'justification' to do it to our guys, you are sadly mistaken. [[[===

    Perhaps you should read what any number of military and/or intelligence experts have to say about the negative aspects of America using torture w/r/t how it affects America's moral and legal standing in effectively addressing terrorism. You could start with Petraeus.

    And along with that, you may also want to read a bit about what any number of military and/or intelligence experts have to say about the effectiveness of torture as a interrogation methodology.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:26 AM, 10/08/2012
    @tps- I was not arguing against Barry's use of drone attacks to kill known terrorists. I have supported both Bush and Barry on this matter, although I would have thought that killing a US citizen via drone would have gotten more 'outrage' from the left, even though it was Barry in charge.

    My point was addressing Wok who insinuated that the the only reason to point out that Mexican teens killed by fast and furious guns, was not so much the caring for the loss of human life, but rather to take a shot at Barry. Conservative caring for loss of human life = insincere and no reason to criticize Barry. However liberals 'caring' for terrorist 'rights" i/e no torture = sincere (and every reason to criticize Bush).

    It really had nothing to do with voting for Romney or against Barry on this particular point.
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:31 AM, 10/08/2012
    "I would have thought that killing a US citizen via drone would have gotten more 'outrage' from the left, even though it was Barry in charge."

    It did. Of course, in your narrative, you consider CNN or other news media controlled by large corporations the liberal media, so it didn't.

    You see what living in an alternate reality does for you?
    Hamlet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:34 AM, 10/08/2012
    Wiseman - When fishwrapper can actually articulate an opinion, and not just parrot rightwing talking points, maybe I'll believe that he's sincere about "brown people" in Mexico. Until then, my only question for him is "Polly want a cracker?".
    wokmaster
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:35 AM, 10/08/2012
    wiseman -

    ===]]] Conservative caring for loss of human life = insincere and no reason to criticize Barry. However liberals 'caring' for terrorist 'rights" i/e no torture = sincere (and every reason to criticize Bush). [[[===

    Demagogues on both sides exploit tragedies and death for the purpose of expediency.

    Certainly, we have seen such exploitation from "conservatives" on both Fast and Furious and drone strike policy. That doesn't mean that any concern from any conservative on those issues is phoney; but a failure to acknowledge how widespread has been the exploitation of those issues for political expediency, essentially, amounts to basically the same kind of exploitation.

    It won't stop until people choose to acknowledge and target that kind of exploitation amongst their political allies.

    Since we're all commenting on Will's blog I will point out that in that respect, Will has been pretty good on the question of drone usage and a few other aspects of the Obama administration.
    Talking point sleuth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:36 AM, 10/08/2012
    @tps- And anonymous drone strikes from the sky are different in the context of increasing the US 'moral authority' how exactly? Especially coming from an administration that originally wanted to move Gitmo trials to the US court system.

    So how did we improve our moral standing in the world by claiming that KSM would be tried in the NY court system which never was going to happen? Then, somehow Barry not only continued Bush's use of drones but actually expanded them to be used against American citizens.

    I'm still waiting for Barry's 'more civilized approach' with respect to Iran to bear fruit.
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:42 AM, 10/08/2012
    @Hamlet- I guess I missed the effigies of Barry or where he was compared to Hitler... I guess I missed the criticism on MSNBC- and yes, I actually do watch a fair amount of that outlet

    PS- If CNN criticizes something does it really count? I mean really, does anyone actually watch CNN?
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:54 AM, 10/08/2012
    "I guess I missed the criticism on MSNBC"

    MSNBC now panders to a liberal audience because they found out that, not only are there a lot of us, but that we tend to be the target audience of advertisers. But to say they are not a big corporate media outlet is to ignore fact.

    Having said that, I remember a show in which Rachel Maddow spent almost an hour on that subject, even though she does pretty much toes the MIC line - which I find to be a more insidious form of propaganda than when it comes out of the mouths of other news people, although I know Ms. Maddow is just saying what she has to to stay on the air - and brought on guests who not only condemned the drone strikes in general, but the use of them to assassinate Americans in particular.
    Hamlet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:54 AM, 10/08/2012
    @high water- If the race of the offending cop was different, you really don't there would have been more to this than, "its just one cop doing something stupid"...
    Wiseman6
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:58 AM, 10/08/2012
    @hamlet- I do not watch Maddow. She is beyond the pale when it comes to shilling for the DNC. If she had something that resembled criticism of drones, I wouldn't have seen it.

    However, not watching Maddow, does not put me in 'an alternate universe'. In fact it puts me in pretty good company as her ratings are ridiculously low.
    Wiseman6


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