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Monday, December 15, 2008

 

 

Gubernatorial thuggery in Illinois won’t prompt Americans to throw their shoes at Barack Obama (give George W. Bush credit, the guy has good reflexes), but the president-elect risks losing some political luster if he fails to speedily address nagging questions about the extent and nature of any conversations that his aides may have been conducted with the corrupt hustler who aimed to sell Obama’s vacated Senate seat.

Last week, while responding at a news conference to questions about the Rod Blagojevich scandal, Obama stated: “What I want to do is gather all the facts about any staff contacts that I might – may have – that may have taken place between the transition office and the governor’s office,” and share these facts publicly, “over the next few days.”

He made that promise on Thursday morning. At that point, he had already been silent for two days; the scandal had gone national on Tuesday morning, when Blagojevich was cuffed at home, on charges of conspiracy and soliciting bribes. This means that the Obama people have now declined for nearly a week to detail the extent and nature of their discussions with the governor about that vacant Senate seat.

Even if Obama is innocent of all wrongdoing – indeed, the federal complaint against Blagojevich offers zilch evidence of any Obama malfeasance – this six-day silence isn’t doing him any good, at least on the perception front. Unless or until Obama supplies “all the facts about any staff contacts,” his partisan opponents will seek to broadly tar him with the Blago brush, and the more vigilant members of the media will keep re-framing the key unanswered questions.

And here are some of the questions:

Which Obama emissaries spoke to Blago or the governor’s people, and when? (Reportedly, Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel was one such emissary.) Did they hear Blago say anything that struck them as potentially illegal, such as his offering to name a particular person to the Senate seat in exchange for money or a new job? If so, did they ignore, abet, or resist his pitch? Did they encourage or discourage him? Did they report anything to the authorities?

One might also ask: If the Obama people have nothing to hide, then what's the hold up? On the other hand, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to respond too quickly. They don’t want to say anything that might compromise an ongoing federal probe. They also want to ensure that whatever they tell us about the conversations with Blago will jibe with the conversations that have been wiretapped; after all, being nailed for contradictions would only feed the news frenzy. All these factors probably help to explain why the Obama people have been cautiously reticent thus far; indeed, it’s entirely possible that in the end they will be perceived by most Americans as bystanders to Blago’s delusional buffoonery.

Nevertheless, the longer Obama fails to detail those staff contacts, the more he risks picking up some of the Chicago taint that he probably assumed he had managed to escape. (At this point, I’ll have to invoke the Godfather III line that I’ve been resisting since last Tuesday. From Michael Corleone: “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”) And the longer Obama waits, the more he risks making his fellow Democrats nervous (Ed Rendell has already told Morning Joe on MSNBC that, for Obama, this should have been a one-day story).

And, naturally, the longer Obama waits, the more he provides fuel to a partisan GOP engine that has been running virtually on empty. The Republican National Committee this weekend began circulating a three-minute video entitled "Questions Remain," and the party's lust for new combat is arguably best articulated by longtime conservative operative Craig Shirley: “Now the task is left to what remains of the Republican Party to begin the process of rebuilding. A good place to start is to shed it own corrupt image by going after the corruption of the Chicago and the National Democrats, and if that leads all the way to President-elect Obama, then so be it…and shove it down their (bleeping) throats.”

Now, of course, there's something slightly comical about hearing these demands for accountability from the GOP, which was mute and supine for eight years while its own president wreaked havoc at home and abroad, and which was finally held accountable and horse-whipped by the electorate just six weeks ago. Nor are there any indications that the electorate finds the Blagojevich scandal to be more important than the issues that are currently draining its savings; or that the landslide support for the president-elect has eroded in any significant way.

But his reticence on the Blago-imbrogilio won't benefit him forever. Nature abhors a vacuum - especially in a 24/7 partisan climate where an errant smell can quickly be conflated into an all-purpose stench.

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Late-day update, from an Obama spokesman:

"At the direction of the President-elect, a review of Transition staff contacts with Governor Blagojevich and his office has been conducted and completed and is ready for release. That review affirmed the public statements of the President-elect that he had no contact with the governor or his staff, and that the President-elect's staff was not involved in inappropriate discussions with the governor or his staff over the selection of his successor as US Senator.

"Also at the President-elect's direction, Gregory Craig, counsel to the Transition, has kept the US Attorney's office informed of this fact-gathering process in order to ensure our full cooperation with the investigation.

"In the course of those discussions, the US Attorney's office requested the public release of the Transition review be deferred until the week of December 22, in order not to impede their investigation of the governor. The Transition has agreed to this revised timetable for release."

So, another week. And Obama is slated to be on vacation next week.

 

 

Posted by Dick Polman @ 12:47 PM  Permalink | 106 comments
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Posted 03:39 PM, 12/16/2008
rallyrally
Um, JamesTL - Learn your history: Bush brought the terrorists and their bombs TO Iraq. More like the Bremer boys failed to secure the arsenal, (but safe-guarded all that oil that's paying for the wars, right!)
Posted 02:18 PM, 12/16/2008
James TL
If it wasn't for 9/11 there would have been bombs in those shoes. I guess Osama Bin Laden indirectly saved George Bush's life. (he's probably throwing up in a cave somewhere....)
Posted 11:02 AM, 12/16/2008
rallyrally
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/03_2005_Bazelon.html
Posted 10:30 AM, 12/16/2008
NEPhilly
pagoda, would you have waterboarded (pick your technique) someone to stop 9/11 from happening if you were President?
Posted 10:27 AM, 12/16/2008
NEPhilly
pagoda, I have faith in America and Americans! I don't think America is the problem in the world, but the solution! I think GWB is an honorable man as evidenced with Billions of $$$ for AIDS medicine donated to Africa, Medicare drug act, No Child Left Behind and trying to do right by immigrants (even though he failed)! We just elected a president I don't trust, but I have faith in the American system of checks and balances and I will treat him with the respect his office deserves (unlike some, not all, on the left). I also respect his picks for State, Defense and Natl Security and I know he will do the right thing as far as security is concerned! I am a conservative (not a neocon) and I don't think Bush has lived up to those beliefs domestically. He has expanded govt far too much for my liking and has gone along with these bailouts and I do not agree with him on these issues! Yet in saying that, I can't stand by and watch/read as he gets beat up for actions he took to keep me and my family (and yours, by the way) safe!
Posted 10:13 AM, 12/16/2008
pagoda
NEPhilly- Your blind faith in Bush is evident. You are willing to assume their methods are in your best interest. Is that a trust in Bush, or a trust in the Executive Branch in general. Someday this country may elect a President you don't trust, and someday that President may use Bush's example and precedent to do things you don't agree with, in the name of "security". Maybe that day has already arrived. I thought conservatives are for "limited government"???
Posted 10:04 AM, 12/16/2008
NEPhilly
Djoka, i'm not in denial, just trying to offer both sides of the story! Sorry if that offends, but someone has to do it! I'll spell it out, if that journalist threw his shoes at Saddam, he, his family and probably his village (a little overstatement, but not much) would have been murdered and buried in a mass grave. It is a testament to the fledgling democracy in Iraq that he felt free enough to throw his shoes at our President! The only reason that guy is back in Iraq instead of hiding out in Jordan and ambandoning his country is because of GWB! Also, not all Repubs are 'neocons', you guys use that as some sort of put down, like I use the 'hard left'. The Daily Kos and the hard left (not all on the left, just the hard left) are a disgrace in how they reacted to this silly situation! The Iraq War and the tough interrogation of terrorists has served this country well and kept Americans safe! I defy anyone to prove otherwise, with facts please! I see Obama is thinking of keeping Guantanomo open, that along with his choice of Gates as Def Sectry(I guess even Dems don't think Dems can run a war) must make the hard left (not all on the left) very angry! But, the President's job is to keep American's safe, not be loved by the rest of the world! Discuss:)
Posted 09:54 AM, 12/16/2008
pagoda
"so you can drop your hysterics. Unless apparently, that’s all you got." Don't you know rallyrally, Swedes is scared.
Posted 09:50 AM, 12/16/2008
pagoda
I will never understand the torture is ok crowd. They think the "lefties" are soft, but in reality, it is the torture supporters who are cowards. They live in a fear fueled existence, so scared of the outside world that they would be willing to give up necessary freedoms and common human decency. They want to give our government powers they don't deserve and should not be trusted with. Let's see how they feel when Obama is reading their e-mails, listening to their phone calls, or secretly torturing their neighbors.
Posted 09:41 AM, 12/16/2008
rallyrally
Swedesboromike: you have an awfully childish habit of responding by putting words in people’s mouth, twisting comments and just plain making stuff up. If you would take your head out of the Fox “hole” and look up the vast amount of independent international research and reports on the impact of the Iraq war has had in the recruitment and expansion of anti-American terrorists, you’d be embarrassed at your post. And apologies: To say they are more emboldened today because of the Iraq war is actually an understatement. Just as predicted by many Iraq war opponents, their activities have increased drastically than as pre-Iraq, mostly due to America’s handling of: the war, the capture and killing of Hussein, Abu Ghraib, et al. And as for “releasing” the detainees at Guantanamo – that’s not going to happen as you neo-cons wail will happen (you know it). Even Obama has indicated as much, so you can drop your hysterics. Unless apparently, that’s all you got.
Posted 08:55 AM, 12/16/2008
NipTip
tom, my reliable dim bulb: see here - IN death certs released in May 2004 alone at least 10 documented detainees deaths ruled as homicides as a result of torture methods (I guess the next logical question to someone like you is: HOW MANY deaths are acceptable as a result of torture at the hands of Americans - torture that Bush has insisted America doesn't do, over and over? It only takes one death to become a war crime. tp://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1681676. This is not just and Iraq issue - it has happened in Afghanistan, and at Guantanamo Bay as well. This will be America's disgrace for generations to come, with horrible and unimaginable consequences, I fear.
Posted 08:46 AM, 12/16/2008
swedesboromike
Rallyrally- You say that we have" emboldened terrorists around the world." I hear this often from the left. But I can't help but wonder when terrorist aren't emboldened. Were they not emboldened in 1993 during the 1st attack on the world trade center. Or were the terrorists not embolded when the terrorists attacked the USS Cole,The Kohbar Towers or the embassys in Kenya and Tanzania? So what you are saying is now we really got em fired up or emboldened. If your career choice is to be a terrorist then would you not always be emboldened? I know the left thinks we are holding harmless scholars and philanthropist in Guantanomo but I what I fear is that we will release these harmless goat herders and they will commit more terror. One such detainee was fitted with a prosthetic leg and released where he promptly hippity hopped back to Afghanistan and kidnapped and killed two Chinese contractors.
Posted 08:35 AM, 12/16/2008
rallyrally
tom: always the bloviator, never right. Please see this report issued by Levin and your guy McCain (who, by the way is extraordinarily scathing of the Bush Administration actions in this report). BTW - it is true and very well documented that Bush Administration officials, including Bush & Rumsfeld themselves, PERSONALLY SIGNED OFF on directives that approved torture that led to the deaths of detainees - the very definition of war crimes. Republicans you can be proud of, but truly and fully disgust me and many other Americans who are revolted by this Administration's actions in our name. Huff and puff and fret about Schumer et al (they’ll get their in the end, for sure, because the R’s had NOTHING to do with that, huh tom?) - because yes, those are the truly important issues that have damaged America throughout the world and have emboldened terrorists to attack out allies and international interests and have further cemented anti-American hate in the Islamic world. Heck of a job Bushie!!! You’ll probably get away with some of the most heinous crimes committed in America’s name. Republicans cannot be trusted with high office.
Posted 08:07 AM, 12/16/2008
swedesboromike
Bernie Madoff the 50 billion dollar ponzi scheme operator was quite the campaign donator giving over 1 million to political campaigns and various 527's. 88 % of his contributions went to Democrats. The list is growing and it now includeds Gov. Corzine, Frank Lautenbert, and Barack Obama.
Posted 08:01 AM, 12/16/2008
swedesboromike
JimR-if you read the comments on the Huffington Post and Daily Kos you will see that this man is revered by the American left. There have been protests in Iraq demanding the release the of the shoe thrower.
Posted 07:52 AM, 12/16/2008
JimR
s-mike, "Now he is a hero of the American left and some in the Arab world...." Where did THAT come from?!
Posted 07:42 AM, 12/16/2008
swedesboromike
Talvenada- You asked of the show thrower should kiss George Bush's feet. The point is that the show thrower had very little to risk and much to gain by doing what he did. Under Sadaam he would have never seen the light of another day. Now he is a hero of the American left and some in the Arab world and will probably make millions in book deals and appearances. But the very freedom to do what he did was precisely because George Bush liberated the Iraqis from the tyranny of Saddam. And of course a rather under-reported story yesterday was the disgust and disappointment by some in the middle east that this man would do this to President Bush.
Posted 07:24 AM, 12/16/2008
tom - wilmington, de
rallyrally...I am sure Cheney was there at Abu Grahib directing those low level personnel...I saw him in the photos. After all, as VP it is not as if he had anything better to do. And Niptip, what detainee deaths are you talking about? Who died and when? Unbelievable stuff from you two. Of course, a bi-partisan report. That is the key. I'd rather see a report on all the political contributions given to Schumer and Rangel by Bernie Madoff, where he got the money for those donations, if the pols will return the contributions since the funds were from an illegal enterprise, and what "favors" he got in return. The NYT this past Sunday ran a nice article about all the donations Schumer got from Wall Street and how he led the deregulation charge for them in Congress.
Posted 07:14 AM, 12/16/2008
JimR
Tal, my ref to you was a response in context. You do get a bit close to the edge and are given to extremes sometimes. You have pulled back since I started visiting this site, though. No personal offense meant. My apologies.
Posted 07:02 AM, 12/16/2008
swedesboromike
ModerateMarge- Yes I saw the sleazy list that included the Democratic Senatae Committe, Democrat Chuck Schumer, Democrat Hillary Clinton, Democrat Chris Dodd, and Democrat Charles Rangel. There was a texas republican that I never heard of but the by and large the vast majority was campaign donations to democrats
Posted 11:21 PM, 12/15/2008
ModerateMarge
Mike - Did you see the list of sleazy Pubs that also got contributions from Madoff ???? A pretty impressive list - look it up !11
Posted 11:21 PM, 12/15/2008
ModerateMarge
Mike - Did you see the list of sleazy Pubs that also got contributions from Madoff ???? A pretty impressive list - look it up !11
Posted 10:48 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
D-JO: That shoe-thrower got his freedom from the guy he tried to injure. He should have BENT OVER to kiss Bush's feet!!
Posted 10:40 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
D-JO: Bush news confs. will now only be open to card-carrying Pubs!!
Posted 10:36 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
Talvenada- Obama is delaying because they need to get their story straight. That and if they announce their findings on Christmas eve no one will be watching ........................... SW MIKE: Then why did Fitz release a statement that he requested Obama to delay for a week in order to not compromise his investigation? Is Obama making Fitz lie, a beyond-fault Pub to lie?
Posted 10:35 PM, 12/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
From now on, all reporters at Bush news conferences have to remove their shoes.
Posted 10:30 PM, 12/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
smike, you're staring to get boring.
Posted 10:27 PM, 12/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
NEPhilly: "Tal, also I wonder what would have happened to that guy if he threw his shoes at Saddam? Care to speculate!" NEPhilly, so what's you point. Spell it out.
Posted 10:26 PM, 12/15/2008
puttinonthefoil
Guys, listen. The war is over. A marvelous and stunning victory and we secured more yellow cake than betty crocker! This shoe thrower - he just hates freedom. He can't stand what we stand for! And guys, in case you haven't heard, only democrats accept dirty money. No doubt about that - proof of the pudding is in the eating right there. Oh, and yeah, if the AP says that global warming is happening, it just shows liberal media bias. Thanks for calling.
Posted 10:20 PM, 12/15/2008
p-diddy
Way to stick it to those blue collar havenots, Swedesboro! Score one for the team! Yippeeee
Posted 10:20 PM, 12/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
mistermcfrugal, put you money where you mouth is.
Posted 10:12 PM, 12/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
congrats to junethe145th for getting "sorryassed bigot" by the autofilter. There isn't much else worth commenting on in this very predictable left-bashing-right, right-bashing-left daily dialogue (myself included).
Posted 10:06 PM, 12/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
The phrase "in denial" was invented for NEPhilly.
Posted 09:52 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
SW MIKE: Good debate!! You've countered my point by slimming me, which makes me wrong. BTW, it's not about winning or losing, but getting it right thru debate, not discrediting thru trickery.
Posted 08:51 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
Talvenada- You're like a disgruntled meat packer. What in the world are you disillusioned about? You've wont the white house and have large majorities in both houses. Along with that comes criticism. If you can't stand it then it is going to be a tough 4 years for you.
Posted 07:59 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
SW MIKE: I originally came to this blog to debate, but all I got from the other side was talking points, insults, attempts to debunk me to debunk my opinion. .................... Example: Chaney comes out and says we didn't need WMD to attack Iraq, and you guys will say that proves nothing--or was misquoted. Plus, you can continue to defend the WMD reason for war. So, you guys can call that debate, but I call it BS.
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Posted 07:53 PM, 12/15/2008
p-diddy
Maybe the guy is considering a run for Iraqi parliament. You know, a campaign stunt.
Posted 07:49 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
P diddy- The shoe thrower needs 20 shoe lashings with my Cole Hahns.
Posted 07:39 PM, 12/15/2008
p-diddy
Swedesboro, I'd give the shoe thrower probation. Maybe 100 hours of community service. Give me an f-ing break, the guy threw a shoe. It's not like he tried to seriously injure him. I'm sure Colin Powell hit Bush with a shoe a few times already, and he didn't do any time.
Posted 07:39 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
The AP is reporting that the colder than normal weather is proof of the global warming. This is like saying the ugly woman is so ugly that she's actually hot.
Posted 07:35 PM, 12/15/2008
p-diddy
Obviously selling a senate seat is wrong. But when you think about it, you realize the highest bidder almost always wins an election.
Posted 07:34 PM, 12/15/2008
p-diddy
jmc, what should the media have asked Obama before election day? "Do you know that the governor of Illinois will try to sell your senate seat if you're elected?" I'm sure the Obama team is frantically checking out if there were any connections right now. I don't see him waiting much longer on this. It's one thing to analyze the PR angle of this, it's another to jump to conclusions of wrongdoing. I'm sure there are a thousand investigative reporters looking at this too. If Obama's team had any role in selling a senate seat, or any other wrongdoing involving Bloggadopevitch, we'll find out. Until then, keep your shirt on.
Posted 07:25 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
JIM R: BTW, Pubs already have 5-6 issues about Obama wrong doing, while W has yet to do 1. Clinton? Must be 4 figures at least. ....................... The latest is that all the demands to avoid war didn't matter, we were going to war no matter what, as per Cheney. We were doing things his way only.
Posted 07:25 PM, 12/15/2008
occam
What's the difference between Obama's go along to get along, hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil Chicago political experience and pay to play? We haven't found the trail of evidence that will turn the former into the latter. Other than that, they are ethically and morally equivalent.
Posted 07:18 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
Talvenada- Who are kidding. 7 years for the crazy shoe thrower? He'll be out by Wednesday
Posted 07:17 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
Talvenada- Must you always be sarcastic? Obama promised transparancy and delaying what the facts are with this for two weeks looks bad. Even Polman agrees with that.
Posted 07:04 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
The Iraqi Pres. says the shoe thrower should get 7-8 years in jail? PUBS & Bushies is that enough or too little?
Posted 06:57 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
SW MIKE: Good point, no other possibilities, right?
Posted 06:55 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
Talvenada- Obama is delaying because they need to get their story straight. That and if they announce their findings on Christmas eve no one will be watching
Posted 06:46 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
JIM R: Real example: Obama is delaying his findings for a week, because he and his staff are guilty. This proves it. Just like Saddam working w/ bin Laden on 9/11 could not be anything other than that. It just was not in any way possible, according to Chaney and Limbaugh and 20 million listeners.
Posted 06:28 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
JIM R: Example: The sun shines its brightest at midnight in Philly, and that's my opinion, which you can disagree with. Just because you disagree doesn't make me wrong. All I'm asking is for you to do is go outside at midnight and look. ............... That's how some ring-wing comments, arguments and questions come across.
Posted 06:21 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
JIM R: I'm no where near the edge: my comments are sarcastic Neo-Con send-ups, because the right wingers need a taste of their own medicine. They post like whatever they say is their opinion or question, when what it is is BS.
Posted 06:20 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
What do Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangel, and Chuck Schumer have in common? They all received campaign donations by Bernie Madoff. It just keeps getting better here folks. We're getting a scandel a week from the Dems. For those of you who do not know Bernie Maddoff is the former Nasdaq chairman who was just busted in the largest ponzi scheme of all time. 50 billion he bilked out of investors
Posted 06:10 PM, 12/15/2008
JimR
swedesboromike, Key Lay ( world class liar, cheat, and destroyer of his employees pensions) had close connections to the Republican party and the Bush family - Co-chaired Bush 41 election effort, etc. All it proves is that cheats and liars come in all sizes and party affiliations. BTW, they were both champions of the capitalist free market system. Does that mean that we need to abandon that because of the dirt those guys smeared on it?
Posted 05:59 PM, 12/15/2008
JimR
NEP, you're getting as close to the edge as Tal. Everyone who disagrees with the war is not on the hard left as does not see the U.S. as the bad guys and the rest of the world as good. And no one with any neurons firing (or the MSM) see the shoe man as anything but a crackpot. He does, unfortunately, represent far too many of the type of people we have shed American blood for. We have no interests to be served in him or his full moon, zealot brothers. Whatever we gain will not be worth the price in American lives. It will be a colossal job to drag these people into the 12th century.
Posted 05:58 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
Talvenda- What do you think would happen to the shoe thrower if he threw them at Saddam???? The fact that the man had no fear of throwing his shoes at President Bush only proves that democracy has taken root in Iraq. Only in a free country with no fear of reprisals would a man throw his shoes at the leader of another country.
Posted 05:53 PM, 12/15/2008
swedesboromike
Bernard Madoff, the mastermind of the 50 billion ponzi scheme is apparantly a big democrat contributor. He made campaign donations to Obama and Chuck Schumer. Will investers get reimbursed by the Schumer and Obama camps? The stench of liberal corruption is growing
Posted 05:06 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
NE PHIL: Yeah, we need to bring back the draft to attack Iran, N. Korea, Syria, and anyone else we disapprove of. Then, we can remake the world in our image. One idea, one world w/ one leader!! Let freedom ring!!!
Posted 05:01 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
NE PHIL: I love The Pub-type response that something must be wrong w/ me, because how could anyone see things differently from you.
Posted 04:58 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
Tal, also I wonder what would have happened to that guy if he threw his shoes at Saddam? Care to speculate!
Posted 04:48 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
Tal, did you have a bad weekend?
Posted 04:47 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
NE PHIL: These Iraqis have been told how much Bush has done for them. You cannot allow this. His punishment must be swift and sure!!
Posted 04:40 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
NE PHIL: There are men jailed at Gitmo, like Abu Ghraib B4 it, who were arrested based on another's unverified accusation alone. Shouldn't Neo-Cons make an example of this enemy combatant?
Posted 04:39 PM, 12/15/2008
mistermcfrugal
Obama is a Chicago crook that the media never wanted to look over. All the media wanted to do was promote the big liberal. Someday, the public will find out how big a cheatn' loser they elected.
Posted 04:36 PM, 12/15/2008
junethe4th
chasing history, you are one sorry-assed bigot. Again, you make derogatory remarks about someone you know nothing about. Do you even know what neocon means?
Posted 04:16 PM, 12/15/2008
Chris Landee
Those lingering questions have been answered. From Firedoglake. "At the direction of the President-elect, a review of Transition staff contacts with Governor Blagojevich and his office has been conducted and completed and is ready for release. That review affirmed the public statements of the President-elect that he had no contact with the governor or his staff, and that the President-elect's staff was not involved in inappropriate discussions with the governor or his staff over the selection of his successor as US Senator. "Also at the President-elect's direction, Gregory Craig, counsel to the Transition, has kept the US Attorney's office informed of this fact-gathering process in order to ensure our full cooperation with the investigation. "In the course of those discussions, the US Attorney's office requested the public release of the Transition review be deferred until the week of December 22, in order not to impede their investigation of the governor. The Transition has agreed to this revised timetable for release," said Obama Transition Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer. [my emphasis]
Posted 04:15 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
Tal, leave it to you to go over the top:) Bush himself held back his secret service from this guy! He should go to jail though, don't you think? I guess you think he is a hero or something, just like the MSM and the terrorists:)
Posted 04:11 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
Why is everyone on the hard left so ready to say Americans are the bad guys and the rest of the world is good? That it was our own fault we were attacked. That the 'chickens have come home to roost', why is that? I wonder if a Dem was president during this time, if the rhetoric would have been the same! I wonder!
Posted 04:06 PM, 12/15/2008
tjhaol
Obama is going to release everything next week....you know, the big news week of Christmas. Why is it taking so long for the most open, transparent administration in history to get it's facts together? It is not as if this goes back years or even months....it is back in October and early November for goodness sake.
Posted 04:06 PM, 12/15/2008
Talvenada
NE PHIL: That shoe thrower should be sent to Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, no? This is clearly an assassination attempt, no?
Posted 03:57 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
lib, that is exactly what the hard left wanted, for us to lose the war, because it would hurt GWB! They are still talking us into losing the war(see Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi/Obama campaign comments), even though it is about to be won! My stats are correct, just not the way you have spun them! In July of this year more civilians died in Phila (which is not a war zone, I think) than our armed forces suffered in Iraq! Look it up! Also, is it childish to say the Dems/Obama hoped/were glad the economy tanked (conveniently) right before the election? You would have thought our country was in a tailspin during the election listening to Obama campaign! Now he is surprised/worried that consumer confidence is in the toilet. He practically caused it with his campaign nonsense!
Posted 03:45 PM, 12/15/2008
liberal
NE, the Bush administration, the media, and the country as a whole condoned war crimes in the last several years. The more you say it ain't so, doesn't mean it ain't so.
Posted 03:39 PM, 12/15/2008
liberal
NE, please get your statistics right. There are 1,500,000 people in Philadelphia, more or less. So the death rate among Iraq troops is the same if it's one-tenth the murder count in Phila. There are about 300 murders per year in Philadelphia. A comparable death rate among Iraq troops would be 30 per year.
Posted 03:35 PM, 12/15/2008
liberal
It's childish to accuse your political opponents of wanting bad things to happen to America--like losing the Iraq war--just because they don't support the current administration. I don't know anybody, even the most left-wing type, who thought that way. I know that I fervently hoped for a quick, clean victory in Iraq in 2003, although I thought the war was a bad mistake, and was saddened and disgusted when it became clear how incompetent our leadership was.
Posted 03:32 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
Marge, I'm glad you remembered that from my previous posts, it must have made an impression:) The war was not poorly executed and since the Iraq War we haven't been attacked as so many other countries have been! The Anthrax scare was an American doing it, not terrorists. When more civilians die in Phila per month than among our 150,000 service men over in Iraq, I would say the war is almost over!
Posted 03:31 PM, 12/15/2008
liberal
NE, you are in the minority about Iraq right now. Most people have concluded that it was a clusterfrack. History could prove you right, of course, if everything goes the right way from now on--see the neocon Krauthammer's column last Friday--but history is fickle. I'd say the odds are against a good clean outcome in the near future.
Posted 03:26 PM, 12/15/2008
CD75
WB in OC: Sounds like something Bill Clinton would say. Something really smells coming from Obama and it is not just Michelle.
Posted 03:24 PM, 12/15/2008
ModerateMarge
NEPhilly, The fight them over there so they don't come oveer here is babble. Since Bush's poorly executed war there have been many terrorist strikes in the West and if you think everything was reported since 9/11 - how about the Antrax scares for one ??? Toppling Saddam - no medal for that - winning the peace is winning that war in Iraq. We have not won anything in Iraq.
Posted 03:21 PM, 12/15/2008
WB_in_OC
MSNBC Breaking News: "Obama's office says his staff had no inappropriate contact with Illinois Governor".
Posted 03:21 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
rally, no one condoned 'war crimes' and the more you say it doesn't make it true! What is nauseating is Americans hoping wars are lost for political purposes! What also is nauseating is Americans hoping the economy goes bad just to win an election!
Posted 03:16 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
pags, what did you want Bush to do, go to Logan airport and do the screenings himself? The Pres gets thousands of briefings about dangers and he can't stop them all!
Posted 03:12 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
LJL, 4000 were lost in the war in total, not after the 'mission accomplished' nonsense! I never said the war was over! Also, the vast majority of Americans did approve of both wars and Afganistan has been won not lost, sorry about that inconvenient fact! The WMD argument was not lies as Saddam had used them on the Iranians and the Kurds. The British and our intelligence community agreed. He also had yellowcake precursor to nuclear weapons in Iraq already! That is why the Dems in Congress went along, to protect the country, and they were right to do so! You can't re-write history in the runup to the war and if Bush thought Iraq was a danger then he was obligated to act!
Posted 03:11 PM, 12/15/2008
pagoda
"it just proves that once you start getting those intelligence briefings the dangers become very real!" So about those intelligence briefings... This one's so easy, i can't take the bate.
Posted 03:11 PM, 12/15/2008
ModerateMarge
We will all be watching as the story unfolds in Illinois. While you are corrent in that without answers Obama will be tarnished we Americans will give him a chance. Obama is taking over for a failed president. He will get more chances than most.
Posted 03:07 PM, 12/15/2008
rallyrally
NE Philly: Are you seriously saying that a member of ANY 9/11 family would condone war crimes perpetrated in the name of the US? Please - what a horrible and dispicable defense of a war criminal president for the sole purpose of partisanship!! There is so much that is morally worng with your post that it is nauseating. Not to mention how un-American it is.
Posted 03:06 PM, 12/15/2008
JourneyHome
Only 19 comments - pretty much says it all
Posted 02:52 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
Yet, 10's of millions feel the war was justified! We are in the minority now(not vast, but minority nonetheless), but I think history will tell a different story of GWB and this time in our history! I can't wait until Pres. Obama has to lead this country and make decisions and protect its citizens. He can't vote present anymore:) I hear he is thinking of keep Guantanamo open as an option. It just proves that once you start getting those intelligence briefings the dangers become very real!
Posted 02:51 PM, 12/15/2008
rallyrally
My "hatred of Bush" is nowhere to be found. My frustration with the media (Polman included) that keeps on ignoring the truly serious matters is what I was venting. The Blago case is somewhat serious, but as you righties have been lamenting all summer and fall - it's Chicago politics, Obama blah, blah, blah, so what's the big deal and why the focus on this so intensely? Never have any of you on the right (or really in any of the media) demanded answers from a Bush Administration official about anything even slightly more serious and there are scores of issues to have been addressed starting with the 2000 election and 9/11 on. My fear is that the crimes of the Bush Administration will get swept under the carpet after January 20th. And that is a disgrace on the media and the shame of the country. Do any on the right remember the "constitutional crisis" of the Clinton sex scandal? Where's your outrage over a sitting President's war crimes? You are false Patriots to say the least.
Posted 02:48 PM, 12/15/2008
Rauol Duke
Will, this is an on going investigation. Obama does not have any responsibility to answer question to the press? I said this last week; he is only responsible to talk to Fitz, off the record of course. Why weren’t these right wing wacko screaming for Bush to be honest and truthful when the disclosed the identity of a CIA Agent?
Posted 02:39 PM, 12/15/2008
Rauol Duke
JMC, did we ask relevant question to John McCain? I do not think so, was the question every asked "How does getting shot down five times make you a war hero?" "Where you not just a legacy at the Navy and never earn any of your accomdations?" These are just two of many questions which of been ask of John McCain. At least, Barack went on O'Rielly and answered his dumb questions. What questions did Sarah Palin answer?
Posted 02:36 PM, 12/15/2008
LJL
"the war was not ill-planned, it was a stunning victory. The aftermath of victory over Saddam was ill-planned, but not the war itself!"....Typical neocon doublespeak. We lost 4000 soldiers after "mission accomplished". If you can seriously say with a straight face that this counts as a "stunning victory", that the war was "over", well let's just say that explains your membership in the "13%". And please stop rewriting history - attacking Iraq was never supported by the "vast majority" of americans, although attacking Afghanistan (which we have now effectively lost) was. What support there was for attacking Iraq existed because of the lies about WMD. Once that was found to be completely ficitious, fabricated by BushCo to create a reason to retaliate for trying to kill daddy, that support evaporated except for the delusional few.
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Posted 02:21 PM, 12/15/2008
chasing history
And the neocons wonder why they lost the election with that skinheaded nitwit Joe as their spokeman. lol
Posted 02:20 PM, 12/15/2008
pagoda
The vast majority of Americans (I assume the same percentage of 9/11 families, but may be mistaken) agreed with attacking Afghanistan and Iraq as a result the 9/11! Kerry and Clinton and tens of millions of Americans were able to admit with hindsight, Iraq was not justified as a response to 9/11. Now you are in the vast minority.
Posted 02:13 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
pagoda, the war was not ill-planned, it was a stunning victory. The aftermath of victory over Saddam was ill-planned, but not the war itself! I agree with the administration, that the Iraq War and Afghan War were under the same umbrella. If not for 9/11 there would not have been an Iraq War II or Afghanistan for that matter! The vast majority of Americans (I assume the same percentage of 9/11 families, but may be mistaken) agreed with attacking Afghanistan and Iraq as a result the 9/11! Also, remember Dem Senators Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, etc all voted for both wars, right? What did they know that the widows you mention not know(other than they were a victim of a mind trick by that Jedi master GWB)?
Posted 02:02 PM, 12/15/2008
CD75
rallyrally: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Nobody cares except hippies and other unemployed and under employed cuckoos.
Posted 02:00 PM, 12/15/2008
NipTip
Sure, there are questions that Obama and his staff should answer and answer now to put the issue to bed, but I think the point that rallyrally is trying (rather gracelessly) to make is that the Blagojevich “scandal” is what the media is in a frenzy about while a Senate report, directly implicating Bush & Rumsfeld in the unprecedented torture policy that has resulted in detainee deaths – which amount to war crimes – goes virtually unmentioned. It’s a glaring example of the failure of the media (punditry included). I read Glenn Greenwald almost daily because there is not a single issue (especially about the Bush Administration) that he has gotten wrong and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
Posted 01:56 PM, 12/15/2008
pagoda
NEPhilly- There are many many family members of 911 victims- standing side by side with me in New York in 2003. They were protesting the thought that their loved ones would be seen as pawns or martyrs of the ill-planned "war". Do you remember all the widows protesting? The mothers and fathers and husbands and wives??? Please don't make such offensive assumptions. Remember, the administration did everything in their power to put the Iraq invasion under the same umbrella as the Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, and the war in Afghanistan.
Posted 01:54 PM, 12/15/2008
junethe4th
chasing history, give it a rest about Joe the Plumber. It's obvious you know nothing about him.
Posted 01:49 PM, 12/15/2008
junethe4th
rallyrally, why inject your hatred of Bush into a post that is questioning why Obama has not come forth with any statement on this scandal in Crook (sic) County, Ill. Apparently you have not followed Polman in the past. Don't ya know, he's in the tank for Obama. There are some valid points here. Why has Obama not said anything? It was his senate seat, why shouldn't he have some recommendation about who should finish out his term. Did someone from the Obama team know what Blago wanted to do, then not report it? The longer Obama delays, the more questions that begin to arise, and the stronger the perception that something is amiss. Look, even Biden's empty senate seat was filled with an interim until his son comes back home and gets annointed, I mean elected, to the senate seat.
Posted 01:39 PM, 12/15/2008
chasing history
Speaking of Joe the Plumber: Did the deadbeat pay his taxes and bad debt yet?
Posted 01:37 PM, 12/15/2008
NEPhilly
rally, although I agree with Bush and not you on everything you mentioned(from Guantanamo/Abu Ghraib/non-Geneva status for Al Qaeda), why is that relevant to this issue? Remember what your mother told you, two wrongs don't make a right! I guess you are trying to deflect the attention away from Obama. Just like the dems did to Joe the Plumber, deflect attention onto his tax/job/licensed status and away from Obama's answer to the legitimate question he asked! Whatever Bush did was to protect the country from another attack and protect American lives. The actions are not war crimes, they are the actions of a man trying his best to protect you and your family! Ask the families of the dead on 9/11 if they agree or disagree with any of these actions. I think I know the answer:)
Posted 01:24 PM, 12/15/2008
potus
check it out, Polman complimented Bush.
Posted 01:15 PM, 12/15/2008
rallyrally
Yes, baecause Blagos crimes are so henous: From Salon: Senate report links Bush to detainee homicides; media yawns. The bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee report issued on Thursday -- which documents that "former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other senior U.S. officials share much of the blame for detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba" and "that Rumsfeld's actions were 'a direct cause of detainee abuse' at Guantanamo and 'influenced and contributed to the use of abusive techniques ... in Afghanistan and Iraq'" -- raises an obvious and glaring question: how can it possibly be justified that the low-level Army personnel carrying out these policies at Abu Ghraib have been charged, convicted and imprisoned, while the high-level political officials and lawyers who directed and authorized these same policies remain free of any risk of prosecution? The culpability which the Report assigns for these war crimes is vast in scope and unambiguous: The executive summary also traces the erosion of detainee treatment standards to a Feb,. 7, 2002, memorandum signed by President George W. Bush stating that the Geneva Convention did not apply to the U.S. war with al Qaeda and that Taliban detainees were not entitled to prisoner of war status or legal protections. "The president's order closed off application of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, which would have afforded minimum standards for humane treatment," the summary said. Members of Bush's Cabinet and other senior officials participated in meetings inside the White House in 2002 and 2003 where specific interrogation techniques were discussed, according to the report.
Posted 01:12 PM, 12/15/2008
jmc
It would have been nice if you media types were willing to ask Obama relavant questions during the campaign, but intellectual incuriosity ruled the day. Now that he's elected, suddenly your gonna get your journalism on? Please.
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