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Tuesday, September 9, 2008

 

 

As soon as Sarah Palin surfaced as our new national novelty, a hue and cry was heard in certain liberal quarters: "Where's Hillary?" Or, as a poster on the Daily Kos website preferred to put it, "Where the hell is Hillary????"

The implication, of course, was that Hillary Clinton needed to stride to the forefront, rip the feminist banner from Palin's clutches, and expose her as a fraud who has no business trolling for votes among the Hillaryites. And by climbing into the arena, Hillary presumably would be doing Barack Obama a big favor, since it didn't yet appear that Obama had a clue about how to high-stick a hockey mom.

So went the frequent liberal argument, anyway, as days passed without even a public word from the woman whose entire agenda, everything she'd long worked for, now seemed seriously imperiled. But Hillary has wisely held back. As her former spokesman, Howard Wolfson, points out, "Every day we are focused on Palin is a day we are not amplifying the Obama campaign's message that Senator McCain simply represents four more years of President Bush."

The Clintons may be exasperating figures to roughly half the Democratic electorate, but they do know a few things about politics and how to play the game. The McCain people have made a politically smart move by picking Palin - her lack of preparedness is another matter entirely - because they have created buzz for the Republican ticket, allowing the GOP to focus on personality and thus distract voters from the Republican policy record of the past eight years. If Hillary was to take on Palin directly, in a battle for the sisterhood, she would be fighting dumb, on the new Republican turf - personality versus personality - while failing to focus voters on the Republican policy record of the past eight years.

And consider this: If Hillary went mano a mano with Palin, how long would it take for this kind of imagery - courtesy of James Bond cinema - to be the talk of the nation?

Wolfson, wise to the imperatives of popular culture, and the allure of so-called "cat fights," put it this way: "For whatever reasons, editors and news executives are convinced that two women fighting sells magazines and attracts eyeballs. You can imagine the thinking. If Angelina Jolie vs Jennifer Aniston, and Britney Spears vs Christina Aguilera sell copies, what could be better than Hillary Clinton vs Sarak Palin...(That) might drive ratings and sell magazines, but it wouldn't be good for the Democratic party or the cause of women's rights."

Hillary probably got it right yesterday; while stumping for Obama in Florida, she parried audience questions about Palin by saying, "I don't think that's what this election is about. Anybody who believes that the Republicans, whoever they are, can fix the mess they created probably believes that the iceberg could have saved the Titanic." She stuck to policy, contending that an Obama regime, as opposed to a McCain regime, would give women a better shot at pay equity and progressive health care.

Framing the '08 election as a contest of competing party visions is not very scintillating, but it's arguably her most substantive strategy. And besides, she's not the nominee. Ultimately the Obama campaign will have to make its own case, and argue persuasively (if possible) that Palin's "maverick" packaging is manifestly fraudulent - starting with the well-documented fact that, contrary to false claims in the new McCain campaign TV ad and the lie that Palin uttered yet again this morning in Ohio, she was never a crusader against the Bridge to Nowhere (as The Wall Street Journal details today); and that she has never been a crusader against federal pork-barrel earmarks (on the contrary, her latest gubernatorial requests total $750 million, reportedly the highest per-capita requests of any state).

But if a pivotal number of swing voters are ultimately mesmerized by the idea of a pit bull with lipstick, as opposed to the less buzzworthy details of factual reality...suffice it to say that there's nothing Hillary Clinton could ever do about that.

 

 

Posted by Dick Polman @ 11:13 AM  Permalink | 80 comments
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Posted 11:34 AM, 09/09/2008
frankg962
The repbulicans remind me of Big Brother in "1984" by Orwell. Just as the party and Big Brother would make statements that were patently false and the populace would buy it, so the McCain Campaign is doing with Palin. I think anyone with a brain really needs to listen to the Fresh Air interview with Tom Friedman yesterday. It is extremely enlightening.
Posted 11:40 AM, 09/09/2008
yoda
The image of a pit bull with lipstick has got to be one of the ugliest mental pictures I have ever seen - pit bulls are hideous! This trope may turn around and bite Ms. Palin, so to speak...
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Posted 11:59 AM, 09/09/2008
gee1971
I agree. no need for this. It's demeening to Hillary. Have Biden lay out the facts about Palin and poiont out the inconsistencies. Obama should focus on McCain and his message.
Posted 12:03 PM, 09/09/2008
frankg962
Xi Jah, All I was saying is if you can get past talking points, unlike the wingnuts like you Xi, one should listen to the interview. It's enlightening. You can crawl back under your rock and continue reading Drudge et al Xi!
Posted 12:09 PM, 09/09/2008
yobill626
I watched Obama on Countdown last night. He talked about how "the voters are smart enough to get what the GOP is doing" & that he has "confidence in the intelligence of the voters". As someone who does not have confidence in the intelligence of the lazy, American electorate, I am now worried. When you have so many voters who either vote against their own vested self interests or who don't vote, he has a problem. John Kerry must be popping veins out of his neck in trying to convince Obama to "hit back hard" --- didn't he initially think the voters were smart enough when he was getting Swiftboated? Many will think this is a successful election if only 40% of its voting citizens don't exercise their right. I think its disgraceful.
Posted 12:18 PM, 09/09/2008
yobill626
Sorry to get off topic like that... Forget about Palin. The Obama campaign needs to have EVERYONE hitting back at the Republican brand & connecting McCain to Bush. Hillary should have already been on the campaign trail, as well as her husband. By the end of the primaries, she had morphed into a great campaigner. Not using her abilities is the same as Gore not using Bill Clinton's during most of the 2000 campaign. The key should be that he needs to use whatever assets each Dem has & then have them do it. If he's not going to see this & utilize this during the campaign, what makes us think he'll do it as President?
Posted 12:19 PM, 09/09/2008
bon
The reason Hillary cannot really debate Palin is she is just another surrogate. He profile is not high enough to engage Palin. Obama could have won this election in a walk if he had chosen Hillary as his veep. Instead he could not get over himself, and has put himself in position to lose. It is really just as simple as that.
Posted 12:32 PM, 09/09/2008
JimR
Yobill626 - 12:09 post - BULLSEYE!
Posted 12:57 PM, 09/09/2008
vc bear
The Clintons have nothing to gain by taking on Palin. If McCain/Palin win she has the smug position of telling her fellow Dem's I told you so. That would set up a race as Hillary at the top of the ticket in 2012. That would make Lanny Davis happy.
Posted 01:02 PM, 09/09/2008
psv
Bon - Hillary is not just a surrogate. Like Obama, she won over 18 million votes, and would've been the nominee had she had the foresight to focus on caucus states and grassroots involvement. Anyway, the focus on Palin should only be limited to undercutting McCain's so called maverick image and his decision making. Drawing out Palin isn't going to happen because her handlers have put her in the same undisclosed location with Cheney while she takes a refresher course on what it is the vice president actually does. By not attacking her and instead focusing on McCain does two things - he has to defend both his and her records (taking them off message) and she'll be indirectly swiftboated, since she's not in the media limelight. McCain can't risk her making more colossally stupid remarks like she did regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, so close to the election, and affecting so many people.
Posted 01:06 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Polman lied. In his post, he stated "her latest gubernatorial requests total $750 million". Actually, what the Wall Street Journal article stated is that "Gov. Palin has requested $750 million in her two years as governor." I guess he figured most of this sites readers would not read the entire WSJ article. This call into question any other "facts" he purports to be true, since if he lied about that easy to verify fact, what else is he lying about?
Posted 01:07 PM, 09/09/2008
jmc
Maybe Hillary sees Palin as a fatal blow to the Obama campaign, and likes it.
Posted 01:08 PM, 09/09/2008
budorob
Totally agree. What's with that last paragraph? I am reading more "buzzworthy" smears of Gov. Palin then what is in fact the reality reported by Newsweek via Factcheck.org. Mr. Poleman, Sen Obama can't use the Bridge to Nowhere reversal on the Republicans because...OBAMA AND BIDEN BOTH VOTED FOR THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE...TWICE!!
Posted 01:25 PM, 09/09/2008
still_independent
tom: you continue to amaze. You are willing to ignore the entire point of the WSJ article (you know, that she WAS for the bridge), and focus on Polman's incorrect statement the the $750M being over one year instead of two. How come when you discuss Obama, you go over the earmarks that he has REQUESTED, and when defending Palin, you talk about the earmark she RECEIVED? Just be honest. Admit Palin loved earmarks as governor (maybe even argue that it's her job to), say now she's against them, and move on.
Posted 01:39 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
The other point in the WSJ article is that Obama requested $311 million in earmarks last year, but none this year (I am assuming they mean fiscal years). However, it omits that in 2005 and 2006, Obama requested an additional $582 million in earmarks, making the three year total $893 million. That seems pretty close to the $1 billion the McCain campaign is stating. Many of those earmarks also went to Michelle Obama's hospital and clients of Hunter Biden. Isn't that convenient. So the agent of change who never met a spending bill he didn't like, who never vetoed any spending, has close to $1 billion in earmarks. It was also stated that since among Palin's earmarks was money for sanitation in Alaska (water treatment, etc) begun in 2005, well, they should have paid for it themselves and it was not the job of the feds. This was put forth by still_independent, and he stated EXACTLY what a conservative would argue. Maybe there is home for still_independent yet.
Posted 01:41 PM, 09/09/2008
JeffA
RE: Earmarks. As a fan of some of the ideas brought to the Rep primary by Ron Paul, one of them was his position on earmarks. To paraphrase, 'I oppose earmarks. But because Washington operates with this slush money and will spend it one way or another, I have an obligation to fight for as much money as I can for the people who elected me to office. And each and every time, when the actual bill comes to the floor, I vote against it.' He went on to say that he believes in earmarks for his constituents more than allowing that money to go back into the general fund to be spent by faceless, unelected bureaucrats. His overriding preference would be to take that money and return it to the taxpayers in the form of a refund. Let the states keep more of their wealth and make their own decisions.
Posted 01:55 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
still_independent.....Palin, as stated in the WSJ article, requested $750 million in earmarks. The WSJ article does not use the word "received". Where did you read that...are you guilty of what you accuse me of doing? Now, as for the bridge, I will say again. As a candidate she made several comments on the bridge, and never came out against it. But, can you point to anywhere in the WSJ article where she says "this bridge is a great idea"? No, she says things like "we need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska" when projects like the bridge come up for discussion. My problem is you will not even give her credit for killing the project, which even the Democrat party in Alaska did. Palin cut spending in the budget, spent herself 80% less than her predecessor for governor expenses, vetoed spending projects she deemed as pork, and you want to hang everything on the bridge. Well go ahead, base your vote on the bridge. Obama is lying in most of what he says he will do (he came out in favor of charter schools today). Whatever the truth is on the bridge, that will not be the basis of my vote, just as Obama saying he will cut taxes for 95% of all taxpayers (he wants to triple the earned income credit but does not say how he will pay for it) will not be the basis of my vote. The bridge to me is a non-issue, and if that is the best you, Polman and others can come up with, then maybe Palin is a better choice than I first believed.
Posted 02:01 PM, 09/09/2008
ModerateMarge
Tom, You know the best part of this and other sites is DEBATE not repeat a lie often enough so people believe it. There are other financial irregularities coming out as reported in the Washington Post where Ms. Palin charged a per diem for living in her own house and charged the states for her young children's travel. I would like more information on this BUT IT DOES NOT PASS THE SMELL TEST. Palin's choice was a cynical attempt by McCain to try and pull off some of Mrs. Clinton's supporters. It will not work.
Posted 02:15 PM, 09/09/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
I just want to mention the following names and associations that Obama has: Wright, Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Rezko, Pfleger, Rashid Khalidi, Nadhami Auchi, Robert Blackwell, Jr., Frank Marshall Davis, Ali Abunimah, Saul Alinsky, ACORN, Woods Fund, Ludacris, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, Alice J. Palmer, Carl Davidson, MoveOn, Daily Kos, George Soros, Simon Malley, Otis Moss III, James Meeks, Ahmed Yousef... Now why do I mention these? Two reasons. One people should research the relationship Obama has with these people and organizations; it speakes volumes to his character with whom he associates. Second, for those that want to ignore the "issues" yet label McCain as the same as Bush; Obama is the same as all of these folks.
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Posted 02:54 PM, 09/09/2008
pagoda
Last Republican- Although your list is so Hannitized it makes my head spin, (now get ready for this) As an alternative to George Bush, I and many other people would rather sit down for dinner or a beer with any of the folks on your list.
Posted 02:56 PM, 09/09/2008
philly2flag
When are you guys gonna get it: Polman is a pseudonym for Bunch... one and the same wacko lefty so-called journalist whose only mission is to kick conservatives when they're up and kick them again when they're down.
Posted 02:58 PM, 09/09/2008
Red Wright-Hand
The real McCain: he helped found the non-profit Reform Institute in 2001, to, among other things, "reduce the influence of special interests in our politics." The Institute was led 2003-05 by Richard Davis, "one of Washington's most powerful telecommunications lobbyists...Davis continued to receive hefty retainers from telecoms with interests before the Senate Commerce Committee, which McCain chaired." Meanwhile, while the Reform Institute, as a non-profit, is "forbidden by law to engage in partisan politics or to promote individual candidates," in November '06, the same month McCain launched his presidential exploratory committee, the Institute somehow began lobbying for issues identical to those on McCain's stated platform, including immigration reform. In other words, the Reform Institute is transparently an arm of the McCain campaign. http://www.harpers.org/media/slideshow/annot/2008-05/ Just another example of how McCain will reduce the influence of special interests in our politics" once he's elected to the White House.
Posted 03:32 PM, 09/09/2008
djoseph
Let's see if I have this straight: with the Bush tax cuts we've hit record high unemployment (twice), a housing meltdown, record budget deficits, a weakening dollar and Wall Street bailouts. And what's McCain's answer? Continue the Bush tax cuts. That's brilliant!
Posted 03:45 PM, 09/09/2008
still_independent
djoseph: record high unemployment?
Posted 03:46 PM, 09/09/2008
SteveMG
tom, there is a video from the debate where she says that Alaska needs that bridge. How come McCain won't campaign on his own? Is he afraid Palin will draw bigger crowds than he will? Does McCain know the Republican Party is laughing at him behind his back?
Posted 03:52 PM, 09/09/2008
SteveMG
It looks like the fundamentalist Republicans think the War on Terror is over since the greatest threat to the land is earmarks.
Posted 03:52 PM, 09/09/2008
puttinonthefoil
Tom, this supposed terrible lie you caught Polman in doesn't seem to really stand up well. We could very easily believe, just as you want to believe in everything Palin now states, that the word "latest" is shorthand for "last 2 years". That is all your "POLMAN IS A LIAR!" rebuke really hinges on, given the fact that "requests total..." and "has requested..." mean the same thing. Your careful eye for rhetorical detail seems to grant a lot of interpretive license to Palin's statements, though, no? And besides, the title of the WSJ article - and folks, let's not forget that the WSJ is a bastion of liberal media bias, practically akin to the NYT - states thus: "Record Contradicts Palin's Claims" If one wants to read the next 10 sentences, one can see that all of Tom's clever reinterpretations of Palin's "bridge" statements don't really hold water. Now, beaten by the facts, Tom defends himself with - "if you want to vote on the bridge issue, go ahead" not totally realizing that it is not about the bridge. It is all about a campaign trying to paint itself as something it is not and unabashedly so. Truly like the "Ministry of Truth" of 1984. The next logical step in the playbook will be to say, "well Obama earmark, blah". No! That's not the issue. The issue is that the McCain/Palin team knows the disaster left by their very own party and are trying to sell themselves as reformers which facts clearly refute. It's like the line about how Republicans are not into big government. Who is still buying that these days??
Posted 04:04 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
still_independent, on September 20, 2006, in the Ketchikan Daily News, Sarah Palin was quoted as saying "The money that's been appropriated for the project, it should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to get this done." Now, I posted this back on September 2, 2008. Apparently you did not read this. The quote pre-dates her election as governor, and does not explicitly support the bridge, but some sort of link and leaves the scope to how best to get it done. I know you will find something else or say I am missing the point. But this is the best quote, in my opinion, that shows she neither supported nor was against the bridge, but was for "just how best to get this done", referring to some type of link...not necessarily a $400 Billion bridge. However, I am sure I am either missing the point, being intellectually dishonest, or showing some other ignorance.
Posted 04:19 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
"Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her duty station is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post." Gubernatorial spokewoman Sharon Leighow said ".....the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so." The story further stated that Palin "...collected the per diem allowance from April 22, four days after the birth of her fifth child, until June 3, when she flew to Juneau for two days." Could it have been part of her maternity leave? "Palin rarely claimed an allowance..." for meals when in Wasilla or Anchorage or Juneau, the article also said. According to state law, the first family in Alaska is entitled to a per diem for their children. However, "The first family declined the per diem for the children. The amount they had declined was $4,461 as of August 5th." Palin charged the state $93,000 for airfare in 2007. Her predecessor charged the state $463,000. Go figure. Does it pass the smell test now? I wish people would read about things before they comment on them.
Posted 04:23 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
djoseph, the unemployment during the recession of 1991 was 9% and during the recession in 2000 was 7% (also hit that after the World Trade Center attacks). I do not think 6.1% is record unemployment. As a matter of fact, even with 6.1% unemployment, I believe we have more people working right now than at any time during the 1990's.
Posted 04:26 PM, 09/09/2008
jjfalcon35
The debate about earmarks and pork barrel is one Obama loses from the get go. He has asked for 1 million a day since came to the Senate including an earmark for the profitable Hospital his wife worked at. McCain gets NO earmarks and Palin did at the end opposed the bridge to Nowhere that both OBama and Biden voted FOR. Palin is becoming a tough one for Obama to deal with. Her mere presence makes him seem so inadequate for running at the top of the ticket
Posted 04:27 PM, 09/09/2008
still_independent
tom: I never said the WSJ article mentioned "received". What I said is that in your many postings blindly defending Palin, you always talk about the "earmarks" she received, NOT what she requested, yet when discussing Obama, you always discuss what he requested, NOT what he received. I also noticed that the "" are always used around earmarks when discussing Palin, but not Obama. As an aside, you've stated Obama's number is over $1B, but unlike you, I won't call you a liar. In any case, the bridge is only an issue because Palin and McCain are making it an issue. I'm sorry, but when someone asks you if you are in favor of something, like a bridge, and you say "Yes", no flavor of nuance changes that. It speaks to character to later claim something else. And still continuing my theme of defending someone on their merits, showing that Obama has lied does NOT prove that Palin has told the truth.
Posted 04:30 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
foil, by your argument, both campaigns are selling themselves as something they are not. Obama speaks of change, but offers the same boilerplate Democrat promises of 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004 and back to the 1980's. His rhetoric aside, he is just your typical politician. He even today tried to paint the McCain campaign as saying "When talking about Barack, it could be Barack the bomber, or Barack the guy running for President". Just like the politicians of old. His running mate also offers no "change". So, given your arguments, exactly which campaign is the voice of change? I do not admit defeat on this issue (see my post on her quote from 9/22/2006). After all, first she wanted to ban books...and that was false. Then she wanted the librarian fired...that was not true. Then she reduced special needs education...she actually increased it. Then she was against contraception...she said in the same debates you note that she was in favor of teaching contraception. Then she wanted to teach intelligent design....when she never acted to have it taught in schools. So many lies about Palin, I only believe what I can find out, not what Polman posts in his columns.
Posted 04:30 PM, 09/09/2008
jjfalcon35
The Obama campaig needs a theme, story line ASAP. Just angrily and reactively trashing Bush , the GOP and say McCain=Bush one million times is not gonna cut it. Saw him on TV last night and Sunday, PAINFUL. McCain figured the Old American hero maverick and the young American hockey mom reformer. Old wisdom, young boldness. Brilliant. The Obama of Hope and Change we can believe in is nowhere to be found
Posted 04:34 PM, 09/09/2008
still_independent
tom: and, as I have posted before, you left out other parts of the SAME article where she DOES speak specifically about the bridge. Plus other articles from the same time where she DOES speak about the bridge. Is your logic that of you find ONE quote where she doesn't state that she's for it (not that she's against it, just that she doesn't mention it), then all of the others don't count? Can you find ANY quote, prior to the earmark being pulled, where she voiced ANY opposition to it? this is, after all, her assertion.
Posted 04:46 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
So tiring. Youtube video entitled "Sarah Palin Endorses Bridge to Nowhere", she is asked about 3 projects and which she endorses. She gives a broad answer, saying she supports the Alaska legislators in obtaining funds for these projects AND other projects where transportation is concerned. She neither specifically endorses or rejects the bridge to nowhere in this video. In all the videos, she is asked about projects and says she does support the infrastructure projects the Alaskan delegation worked so hard for, but never mentions specifically if she does or does not support the bridge. I suppose her saying "I do support the infrastructure projects currently on tap for Alaska..." can be construed to her supporting the bridge. Of course, that would be akin to saying Obama voted to raise taxes on people making $42,000 a year when he voted "symbolically" to not renew any of the Bush tax cuts. Spin, Spin, Spin...depending on from where your viewpoint starts.
Posted 04:47 PM, 09/09/2008
still_independent
tom: so quotes like "OK, you've got Valley trash standing here in the middle of nowhere, I think we're going to make a good team as we progress that bridge project." and "We need to come to the defense of southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table, LIKE THE BRIDGE, and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative," and finally, when asked if she suppoted continued funding for the bridges in October 2006, "YES. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." don't count?
Posted 04:51 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
still, fine, PRINT THE QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE WHERE SHE SPECIFICALLY SUPPORTS THE BRIDGE!!!!! Back up your assertion.
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Posted 04:58 PM, 09/09/2008
tom - wilmington, de
What is so frustrating is that people who want to hold Palin's feet to the fire over this stupid bridge will not apply that scrutiny equally to the top of the other ticket. What scrutiny was ever applied to Obama? How many times has he gone against what he said? Why is nothing known about his time as a Community Organizer or Civil Rights Attorney? What cases did he work on as a Civil Rights Attorney? Who did he help as a Community Organizer? What did he accomplish in his time in the Illinois State Legislature? Why did he vote for the Bridge to Nowhere....twice? Why did his wife quote from books by Saul Alinsky in her speech at the convention? Where is the scrutiny of this level applied to the agent of change? What is he going to change and how will he accomplish it? All this nitpicking over one issue..and like I said, if this is all that can be found, then she must be a better pick than I first anticipated.
Posted 05:13 PM, 09/09/2008
hejira33312
testing , testing, want to see how long my post will last since they seem to dissolve into thin air 98% of the time, guess the truth hurts MCCaininites
Posted 05:27 PM, 09/09/2008
jwad56
Tom they keep poking and prodding. It's been almost 2 weeks now you would think something would have fallen out by now? I guess there isn't anything there. Regardless this obsession with her is typical of the Democrat. Obsessively focus on something which means nothing. Sort of like this obsession with linking McCain to Bush. It just doesn't fit...McCain/Feingold...McCain/Lieberman...McCain/Edwards/Kennedy. He is the one who really wants to work across the aisle for change. Obamaniacs must think everyone is stupid.
Posted 06:33 PM, 09/09/2008
mike l
tom, wrong as usual. Obama has been disected by all the media over the last year, especially since he won Iowa. There ain't nothgin there that hasn't already been brought out, no matter how much you wingnuts want it to be so. That palin is lying about her support for the bridge and other earmarks is important. Because the repubs lie like rugs while waving the flag. As mayor of her dinky little town, she got millions from the feds. Alaska gets most of its money from the feds (that is, you and me) and the oil companies. So she is not changer when it comes to earmarks and living off the public dole. Ask Ed Rendell and the other governors if what they could do for thier states if they got 2/3's of their states' revenue from the feds and oil.She hasn't a clue. She'll be another Spiro Agnew to be pushed aside and brought out only to make stupid attack statements. They will never trust her with anything important, not that she could handle it anyway.
Posted 09:20 PM, 09/09/2008
puttinonthefoil
Ach, my post got eaten. I'll edit it for obscenties? and try one more time. I apologize for multiple posts.
Posted 09:21 PM, 09/09/2008
No Ids
No use trying to enlighten the right wing ideologues with fact. They're impervious to empirical reality.
Posted 09:22 PM, 09/09/2008
puttinonthefoil
My goodness. I check this forum for a break, but some people post like it is a job. Nonetheless, I admire your fervor, Tom, considering you have by my count at least 6 kids and handle financial stuff all day long and yet still have time for fantasy football and the Phillies. Now to the issue - there is no doubt that both campaigns are trying to sell themselves as stuff they are not. That's politics. But McCain hangs his hat on Palin and calls it change, and that is wrong for two reasons. One (basic and irrefutable): Her policies and cultural predelictions fall squarely in line with exactly what we've had the last 8 years. Exactly. I won't even mention her style of speaking, which is also reminiscent of the partisan attack venom that became increasingly prevalent and dirtier. TWO (apparently under debate and not believed): She is being marketed as an agent of change, and sources are refuting that. We're not talking about Blogger Polman (who I will wholeheartedly agree has become much more liberal leaning in his posts than when I first started reading - but come on guys, he's no Bunch). We're talking about the Wall Street Journal! Furthermore, how can Obama not represent change when he is in a different party and represents viewpoints funamentally different from those espoused by the party that has put us on a path viewed by a VAST MAJORITY of Ameircans as "the wrong direction". This discussion on who is "for change" simply proves how awful things have become under the party in power. When we mention "change" and Obama, we're not talking about whether Obama is a change from Bill Clinton. Obama already is a change from the past 8 years of failed policy. McCain has to prove it - hence the marketing - hence the greater scrutiny over Palin's disingenuousness. See?
Posted 09:28 PM, 09/09/2008
No Ids
As someone who was actually working during the 90's as opposed to shilling for right wing nutbags I can assure you there was an employee SHORTAGE in the late 90's. Employers got a little nervous when the threat of employee choices made them lose the cudgel they love to wield.
Posted 10:37 PM, 09/09/2008
HowCanYouSayThat
Palin will withdraw within the next three weeks, citing concern for her infant and soon-to-have-infant daughter. The RNC will pick a more qualified VP who can step in for McEunuch should he become incapacitated - but by then it will be too late. He can't win now - and that's all he wants anyway, revenge for his loss in '00, and a final, impossible attempt at payback for the torture he suffered so long ago.
Posted 10:41 PM, 09/09/2008
p-diddy
Obama shouldn't be engaging Palin at all. Leave that to Biden. Obama should be hammering the Republican party on its record of the last 8 years. Take the Military Commissions Act for example, which McSame voted for. Obama should be attacking McSame's Torture Party on a daily basis.
Posted 10:42 PM, 09/09/2008
still_independent
tom: I honestly don't get it. Again, when asked SPECIFICALLY if she was in favor of continued funding for the two bridges, she said "YES. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." What is so ambiguous about YES !?!?!? I'm sorry, but I have liberal bastions like WSJ, USA Today, FactCheck, and FoxNews saying the same thing I am (and no, I'm not counting their carrying of AP stories, nor am I counting opinion pieces). You have... Tom from Deleware. I agree there are many things to question about Obama. I agree there are unquestioned things about his past. None of that has anything to do with Palin. It's not a "nit" thing about the bridge, when one of the central campaign themes of McCain's is earmarks, and when you continually feature it in your campaign ads. Why can't you admit that she was FOR the bridge and move on? The continual ignoring of reality has been a hallmark of the last eight years.
Posted 11:14 PM, 09/09/2008
ModerateMarge
Tom, Before you try and obscure the facts why not go to factcheck.org and look at what they say about Ms. alin. You have NO credibility because you cannot admit Ms. Palin LIED. And by saying this we are not implying that Obama is perfect or without flaws - but desperately pointing to a supposed Obama flaw to answer a McCain or Palin critique is ASININE.
Posted 12:35 AM, 09/10/2008
p-diddy
Have Republicans abandoned their roots as the party of Theodore Roosevelt, who maintained that government's most important task, with the exception of national security, is to leave posterity a land in better condition than they received it? The answer must be no. But if we are to restore the people's trust and retain the privilege of serving as the majority party, we better start proving it.
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Posted 03:57 AM, 09/10/2008
queen bee
This Presidential race is a blown out Beauty Pageant. 1# lipstick 2# speech equiette-personal grooming 3# barbie 4# premadonna 5# pinocchio 5# puppet. Sarah is not ready for the White House!!!!
Posted 08:54 AM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
still_independent, tom is in denial. If it were legally possible to put G.W. Bush on the ticket as VP and the McCain ticket were trying to run as agents of change, tom would find a way to argue that the ticket represented change. Sarah Palin is no different than any other politician (Democrat or Republican). When Alaska was offered a chance to get funding from the federal government for a project that would create jobs and improve infrastructure, she was all for it. But when she realized that it would cost the state money for the "Bridge to Nowhere", she agreed that it was a waste of dollars and then pocketed the money allocated for infrastructure improvements to be made elsewhere. At the time she killed the bridge, she was already thinking about the next election (like any other pol). She wanted to be able to tell the electorate that one way or another that she improved the state over her first term as gov. This is the same woman that hired a lobbying consultant in order to get more money out of the federal government for a town with a population of 8,000. So it's just a bunch of bull that she's any different than other pol (and that goes for McCain, Obama and Bidden). The change that Obama represents is a change from the policies of the Bush admin. McCain wants to psition himself also as an agent of change from Bush. I find that hard to believe when you look at his voting record and key people in his campaign. If you like Bush and his record, then by all means vote for him. Personally, I can't wait for this 8 year nightmare to end. But to position Sarah Palin as Jimmy Stewart coming to Washington to "shake things up" is an example of too much Kool-Aid drinking.
Posted 09:24 AM, 09/10/2008
p-diddy
What's the "bridge to nowhere"?
Posted 10:13 AM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
There's a thing called google. Over 378,000 citations for "Bridge to Nowhere" AND Alaska http://www.google.com/search?q=bridge+to+nowhere+alaska&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_en___US228&aq=t
Posted 10:30 AM, 09/10/2008
tom - wilmington, de
I give up. There is no winning, so, here goes. Prior to becoming governor, some statements made by Sarah Palin could give the implication she was for the bridge to nowhere. Once elected governor, she, as posted in the Alaska Democrat Party website until recently, killed the bridge to nowhere. Her statement is that as governor, she told Congress "thanks but no thanks". So, she may have been in favor of it before becoming governor, but helped to kill it after being elected governor. OKAY!!!!! Can we end this idiotic debate now? I'd like to see a piece on Obama's statement after being elected to the US Senate about not running on a national ticket. His reasons, as he stated, were because "I am a believer in knowing what you're doing when applying for a job and I'd have to start now before serving a day in the Senate. Now, there may be some people comfortable with doing that, but I am not one of them." Oh, the agent of "change my mind" strikes again.
Posted 10:32 AM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
Also, tom, it’s disingenuous to say that Biden and Obama voted for the bill. The earmark for the Gravina Bridge was part of a larger funding bill (H.R. 3058 - Making Appropriations for the Departments of Transportation, Treasury, and Housing and Urban Development, the Judiciary, District of Columbia, and Independent Agencies for the Fiscal Year Ending September 30, 2006, and for Other Purposes).
Posted 10:32 AM, 09/10/2008
tom - wilmington, de
fetch...contrary to your POV, I would have a tough time voting again for GW Bush. If there was an effective option to him, I would vote that way. I voted for Bush in 2004 more because I disliked Kerry than I liked Bush.
Posted 10:36 AM, 09/10/2008
jjfalcon35
So Palin calls herself less than a week ago pitbull with lipstick and yetserday Obama counters callin her pig with lipstick. Classy
Posted 10:49 AM, 09/10/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Obama just spoke about the lipstick issue. He referred to the phony controversial and phony outrage. Some of this is overblown. It was probably an innocent remark but grossly ill timed. However, his comments seem a bit disingenuous since it was he who said the McCain campaign would campaign against him saying he does not look like other presidents, has a funny name, is black. And David Patterson, governor of NY, has come out saying the Republican use of the words "community organizer" are code words for black. So Obama can talk about sparing the phony outrage, but he also has to scale back his use of phony tactics and controversies (he talked Sunday with George Stephanopolous about the McCain campaign smearing him as being a Muslim...which George to his credit said was not true, then Obama backtracked calling them Republican and McCain "operatives"). Phony outrage all around.
Posted 10:53 AM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
tom, why didn't you use the full quote? "I'm a believer in knowing what you're doing when you apply for a job, and I THINK THAT IF I WERE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER RUNNING ON A NATIONAL TICKET, I would essentially have to start now before having served a day in the Senate. Now, there are some people who would be comfortable doing that, but I'm not one of those people." There's a big difference between your quote and what Obama actually said. He was addressing the issue of CONSIDERING running on a ticket immediately after his election. Not the actual process of running on a ticket. Turns out that he was able to pull off the trick of getting the nomination when he considered running in February 2007. BTW, there’s no winning the argument because YES means YES. She was in favor of the Gravina bridge when the Republicans controlled Congress and would appropriate the money for the bridge from the federal government. As soon as they lost Congress and she was elected and would have to pay for it, she changed her mind. Doesn’t sound like someone who’s against earmarks if she doesn’t have to pay for it herself.
Posted 11:05 AM, 09/10/2008
tom - wilmington, de
fetch, perhaps I am wrong, but doesn't HR stand for House Resolution? Senate bills usually have an S designation, such as S.2823, etc.
Posted 11:16 AM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
falcon, there are over 84,000 citations of "lipstick on a pig" without Obama. Wikitionary also has a definition. So get off your high horse with your phony outrage. He used it in the right context regarding his belief that McCain does not represent change from Bush. tom, I agree with you that Obama was wrong to refer to McCain as smearing him as a muslim. And he was also wrong to refer to McCain running against him as a black man. But there are elements of the Republican party that are doing those very same things. Obama should call out those elements of the Republican party when they raise such issues. But he needs to be specific as to who is making those charges and not just blame McCain. BTW, tom, I did not mean to insinuate that you would vote for Bush again. My reference to voting for "him" was in regards to McCain when I said, "If you like Bush and his record, then by all means vote for him." Also, my point was that you are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to argue that Palin was against the Gravina Bridge. YES means YES. Or to paraphrase GW Bush, "She was for it before she was against it."
Posted 11:18 AM, 09/10/2008
tom - wilmington, de
fetch....she got the money, just not as an earmark. As to the quote, he was asked why he ruled out running nationally. The actual question he answered was "Why have you ruled that out, running nationally". The story was on CNN discussing Obama questioning whether he had enough experience to run for president when he was elected to the Senate. If you believe adding your line changes the meaning of the quote, then hooray for you. I believe the difference is nuanced. Bottom line, Obama back in 2004 ruled out running nationally because he lacked experience (you need to know what you are doing before applying for a job) and would need to start running immediately (he waited 143 days). He was successful because he caught lightning in a bottle and he caught the vote of the "enlightened" as referred to in the poll cited by Polman.
Posted 11:19 AM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
tom, it's an appropriations bill that can only originate in the House. Thus, the H.R. designation which the Senate then votes upon with their own set of ammendments before it goes for reconciliation in conference.
Posted 11:28 AM, 09/10/2008
yobill626
Why am I still seeing "Lipstick Mom" out on the campaign trail? Wasn't she supposed to be in Alaska this week spending time with her son who's shipping out to Iraq TODAY? As a side note, why does "Grandpa Simpson" insist on standing next to her every time she's at a microphone?
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Posted 11:46 AM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
tom, I added the caps to indicate the portion that you left out. And yes, it was meaningful. Why did you leave out that part? It does not have the same meaning without the missing phrase. It's not nuanced. The CNN story was about experience. The question posed to Obama was "Why have you ruled that out, running nationally." He addresses the issue and relates it to experience. But he did not believe at that time that he could start a campaign immediately for the national ticket right after winning the Senate. But he never stated that he would not consider running at some point in the future..And where do you get 143 days. He was sworn in on January 4, 2005. He announced his campaign on Feb 10, 2007. That is 767 days. (He formed his exploratory committee on Jan 16, 2007) By your calculation, he either commenced running for President on either May 27, 2005 (143 days after being sworn in) or March 25, 2005 (143 days after election).
Posted 12:00 PM, 09/10/2008
fetchez la vache
Bohica, No that's not all that I got. But the issue was raised in regards specifically to whether she was against it or not. I expect McCain to make it though his presidency. And I don't buy the "heartbeat away" bull. If you read my previous post, you will see that my point is that I don't buy the McCain campaign as a change from GW Bush. But that would mean that you actually read my posts with an intent to understand. I read tom posts and also looked at the primary source for what he cites. (For instance, I watched the clip of Obama and found the discrepancy in the quotes) But you probably just listen to Rush and read the right-wing blogs (like tom probably did to get his quote) without getting the full context. Maybe, it's nuanced. But that nuance of context and providing the full quote is the difference between seeing Obama as calling Palin a pig or realizing that he was using an accepted analogy to refer to something as not being what he claims it to be. Or understanding that when McCain referenced a hundred years for troops in Iraq that he was referring to troops as a peacekeeping force (like our troops in Europe. I don't buy the left-wing bull about McCain wanting to fight in Iraq for 100 years.) Bohica, try to not read things superficially and try to research beyond the pundits.
Posted 12:06 PM, 09/10/2008
p-diddy
Thanks for the link, Fetchez. Now I know that "the bridge to nowhere" refers to a proposed bridge that was to link the Alaskan island of Ketchikan with nearby Gravina island, where the Ketchikan airport is located. The bridge would have cost $398 million in total. McSame said pet projects could have played a role in a Minnesota bridge collapse that killed 13 people in 2007. "Maybe the 200,000 people who cross that bridge every day would have been safer than spending $233 million of your tax dollars on a bridge in Alaska to an island with 50 people on it." Palin was a supporter of the project. In 2006, Palin said in reference to the Gravina Island bridge, ""Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
Posted 12:36 PM, 09/10/2008
still_independent
jfalcon: I thought Dems were the party of indignant whining and crying sexism? Much as I defended McCain last year when he said "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig." w/ regards to Clinton's health plan, this is much ado about nothing... If Palin really wants to get offended, it should be from the follow-up line: "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'it's still gonna stink after eight years. "
Posted 01:05 PM, 09/10/2008
p-diddy
Vote Torture '08!
Posted 01:08 PM, 09/10/2008
p-diddy
After posting that last comment, I began to realize that there are some people (even some people who regularly post on this board) who support the practice of torture. Don't vote for the Torture Party.
Posted 08:57 AM, 09/11/2008
walterrhett
The "ureal" nature of the Republican view is best characterized by McClain's VP pick and his wife wearing a $300,000 shirt dress ensemble in an appearance at the convention. Obama, like the storied Greek myth, must avoid stooping or stoping to pick up the distractions thrown in his way on the march to Novemeber.
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