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Monday, October 13, 2008




There once was a time when the McCain campaign and its Republican allies insisted on a daily basis that the greatest danger to this nation was al Qaeda. But now, apparently, they think it’s ACORN.

My email in-box runneth over. Here’s a weekend sampling of the message headlines from the McCain and Republican camps: “Conference call on Barack Obama’s Ties to ACORN.” “ACORN Dropped Thousands of Bad Registrations.” “State GOP Leaders Accuse ACORN of Vote Fraud” “State of Indiana Seeks Voter Fraud Probe” “FBI Looking Into Suspect New Mexico Voter Registrations” “On Obama, ACORN, and Voter Registrations” “ACORN Vote Fraud Witness in Ohio”...

…And any second, I was expecting to receive a statement from John McCain, vowing to pursue ACORN to the gates of hell.

Two thoughts: (1) It is absolutely beyond dispute that some canvassers employed by ACORN – that’s the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – have filed phony voter registration cards in key states such as Nevada and Missouri, and that ACORN at times has suffered from a lack of quality control, and (2) It is absolutely preposterous to think that McCain, in his growing desperation, can gain any serious traction in this presidential campaign by linking Obama to ACORN, or by painting ACORN as a clear and present danger to the republic.

Indeed, the sudden focus on ACORN is proof that the Republicans are running low on effective weaponry. They have lost control of the overarching campaign narrative; as the newly-released ABC News-Washington Post poll again demonstrates, Obama is widely viewed as more credible on the number-one issue, the economic crisis. That’s no surprise, given the McCain camp’s mixed messages. Yesterday, McCain insider Lindsey Graham told CBS News that McCain this week would unveil “a very comprehensive approach to jump start the economy” – only to be contradicted later by a McCain spokesman who said, “We do not have any immediate plans to announce any policy proposals.” Meanwhile, the McCain camp isn’t even in sync with its allies; on ABC News yesterday, McCain’s proposal to have the U.S. Treasury buy up troubled mortgages was assailed as an unfair burden on taxpayers…by Roy Blunt, the number-two House Republican leader.

So McCain, increasingly bereft of effective weaponry, is apparently reduced to throwing sticks, stones, and tufts of grass. On the potency scale, ACORN ranks somewhere between sticks and tufts.

ACORN, during its 38-year history, has long rankled the Republicans, and no doubt the base voters are still sufficiently inflamed to denounce the group at McCain-Palin rallies. But to prevail on election day, McCain needs to capture most of the undecided voters, along with a healthy share of those now leaning towards Obama. Demonizing ACORN - and seeking to link Obama to a group that relatively few people have even heard of - simply won’t do the trick.

For starters – and I know this will shock you – the McCain people can’t even get their facts straight. In a Friday conference call, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said that Obama, as an attorney, once represented ACORN in a lawsuit “against the state of Illinois and the federal government.” (Thereby implying, of course, that Obama was in cahoots with anti-government law-breakers.) But Davis’ dark fantasies collide with factual reality. Obama did indeed represent ACORN in a lawsuit, back in 1995 – working on the same side as the federal government. ACORN and the feds, along with radical plaintiffs such as the League of Women Voters, went to court to compel the state of Illinois to implement a new “motor voter” law that was designed to make it easier for citizens to enroll as voters.  They won.

Davis also noted that the Obama camp paid $800,000 last February to a consulting firm affiliated with ACORN, and that the Obama camp didn’t tell the Federal Election Commission, until it filed an amended report in August, that the money was intended for get-out-the-vote drives. But the FEC says that amended filings happen all the time, and ACORN says that only 10 percent of the Obama payment wound up in the ACORN coffers. Meanwhile, the McCain camp, still working the Obama link, pointed out that Obama had once done training sessions for ACORN workers. It turned out that his total time as a trainer was two hours.

ACORN is hardly pure as the driven snow. Canvassers in some locales have been kicked out for filing phony voter registration cards; some have been prosecuted. ACORN says it has fired 80 New Mexico canvassers since last December, for submitting potentially fraudulent registrations. ACORN humorists in Nevada reportedly have been caught filing multiple voter registration cards carrying the names of football stars Terrell Owens and Tony Romo. ACORN has acknowledged those incidents; the Nevada chapter says in a statement, “While the vast majority of our voter registration canvassers do a great job, there have been several times over the past 10 months that our Las Vegas Quality Control program has identified a canvasser who appears to have knowingly submitted a fake or duplicate application in order to pad his or her hours.”

The problem for the McCain people, however, is that they have oversold their case. What they are calling “voter fraud” is actually “voter registration fraud,” which is very different. The latter is much easier to accomplish than the former. Even if state election officials fail to screen out all the phony voter registrants (and apparently their screening processes are quite good), people typically don’t show up at the polls with phony identification, seeking to cast bogus ballots. Are we to believe that thousands of Nevadans will show up claiming that they are Terrell Owens? As election-law specialist Rick Hasen of Loyola University reportedly said the other day, “these claims of voter impersonation fraud are just not credible.” Indeed, in a 2005 study of recent Ohio elections co-sponsored by the League of Women Voters, a grand total of four fradulent ballots were unearthed...out of nine million ballots cast in 2002 and 2004.
 
Savvy Republicans recognize that, as a campaign strategy, the ACORN story will get them nowhere. But something else is going on here. By targeting ACORN (and, by implication, all the Obama-friendly voter registration drives), the McCain camp is trying to pre-spin a November defeat, by framing in advance the argument that an Obama victory would be illegitimate. It’s like that famous scene in Citizen Kane, when the headline writers at Kane’s sycophantic newspaper prepared two announcements for election day. If the boss won his gubernatorial race, the headline would be, “Kane Elected!” If he lost, the headline would be, “Fraud at Polls!”

Which is why Obama can ill afford to win narrowly. Only a decisive victory would render the “fraud” argument moot, and send McCain’s assembled team of litigators back to their law firms.

And one last observation: ACORN is involved in all kinds of issues, including immigration reform. For instance, ACORN sponsored a big community meeting on immigration reform back on Feb. 20, 2006, at a college in Miami. Care to guess who validated ACORN by showing up to speak at its event?

John McCain.

Posted by Dick Polman @ 12:08 PM  Permalink | 133 comments
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Posted 04:58 AM, 10/15/2008
ivanhoe2
Re:Posted by CleanupPhilly 01:03 PM, 10/13/2008 I don't think it's overselling the case at all to say that ACORN was involved in voter fraud. It's voter registration fraud, so it's fraud related to voting. The ACORN in Philly is active in trying to prevent all property tax collection, and it's proving to be an impediment to collecting property taxes even on vacant lots and vacant buildings, or taxes from properties that are not primary residences, like investment properties. It's prevents the city school system from being adequately funded, so it hurts kids, who don't vote, at the expense of creating a stable voting bloc that keeps electing suspect pols. ********************************************************************** One fact that is being ignored by most people is that ALL voter registrarion organizations INCLUDING ACORN are REQUIRED to turn in ALL registration cards submitted. This means that if an ACORN employee turns in fraudulent registrations ACORN MUST SUBMIT them!! ACORN's policy is to flag suspect registrations to make them easier for election officials to spot; and fire the employee who submitted them. The fraud is committed by the employee (NOT THE EMPLOYER)! It would be very easy for someone interested in discrediting ACORN to hire some people to work for ACORN and submit bogus registrations. Such a person would be collecting 2 paychecks and might consider it fun. If caught the person would at worst risk a small fine for a misdemeanor (about as serious as J walking).
Posted 04:54 AM, 10/15/2008
ivanhoe2
Re:Posted by CleanupPhilly 01:03 PM, 10/13/2008 I don't think it's overselling the case at all to say that ACORN was involved in voter fraud. It's voter registration fraud, so it's fraud related to voting. The ACORN in Philly is active in trying to prevent all property tax collection, and it's proving to be an impediment to collecting property taxes even on vacant lots and vacant buildings, or taxes from properties that are not primary residences, like investment properties. It's prevents the city school system from being adequately funded, so it hurts kids, who don't vote, at the expense of creating a stable voting bloc that keeps electing suspect pols. One fact that is being ignored by most people is that ALL voter registrarion organizations INCLUDING ACORN are REQUIRED to turn in ALL registration cards submitted. This means that if an ACORN employee turns in fraudulent registrations ACORN MUST SUBMIT them!! ACORN's policy is to flag suspect registrations to make them easier for election officials to spot; and fire the employee who submitted them. The fraud is committed by the employee (NOT THE EMPLOYER)! It would be very easy for someone interested in discrediting ACORN to hire some people to work for ACORN and submit bogus registrations. Such a person would be collecting 2 paychecks and might consider it fun. If caught the person would at worst risk a small fine for a misdemeanor (about as serious as J walking).
Posted 12:29 PM, 10/14/2008
EL Zorro
Tom, are you sure that ad was bought by ACORN and not by a mortgage company? I find hard to believe that a non-profit organization with a tight budget could find money to spend on advertising on a mayor newspaper like the Chicago Sun Times. Even if that is true (by the way, I would like to see the copy of the ad and proof it was paid by ACORN), the mortgage company has the last word in approving the loans. And second, wasn’t this country built by protests? Boston Tea Party? What ACORN did and does is non-violent direct actions against institutions that they believe are not fair to the citizens, especially those at-risk.
Posted 11:37 AM, 10/14/2008
JimR
Tom, no defense of Ayers here, but I've long felt that Liddy and the rest of the bunch were indeed domestic terrorists. They (from the top down) attempted to steal an election -which was already in the bag because of the Dem history of bad candidates. That is about as great a threat to the Constitution as we'll see without the show of guns.He got himself on magazine covers - just not standing on the flag. And he's a darling of right wing media. He's a national disgrace.
Posted 11:27 AM, 10/14/2008
JimR
ACORN is filled with people with an agenda - so put that in the equation. If there's voter fraud - let's nail it and prosecute it. If it's suppression - let's go after it. The problem is that it's difficult to pin down. Registration fraud is an art form in Philly. Suppression of votes in the Old South was the same art form in the 50's and 60's (Good old boys demanding literacy answers and ID from black voters when they couldn't even spell "ID" themselves) No one seems to be addressing the likelihood that T.O. will be voting 100 times in a different state or McCain's "connection" to ACORN. What a non-issue!
Posted 11:22 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Zorro, ACORN threatened banks with disrputive actions, like blocking their entrances, disrupting business in their lobbies, if they did not lend to minorities. ACORN even ran an ad in the Chicago Sun Times that said "No Job, No Assets, No Credit, No Problem. You Can Still Get a Mortgage."
Posted 11:17 AM, 10/14/2008
puttinonthefoil
True story: I switched my registration from NJ to VA this year. After 4 weeks of not getting my card, I go back to the office and find out that my registration was lost. I sit down with the woman there until they get it right. Point #2: Obama is not a marxist. No one is a marxist. Please learn what marxism is before using the word. Also, please check out the independent sources analyzing both presidents' econmic plans before spewing grossly inaccurate platitudes about them. And the Republican campaign should not need this ammunition. Run on your platform. If you are very rich, love war, want to see Roe v Wade overturned then you should vote McCain, and no one will begrugde you for it, because those are the facts. What I do find laughable however, are the McCain commercials that insist "change is coming". What a ripoff. Folks, by definition - the basis of "conservative" is what? Conservative is resistant to change - conservative in its very rhetorical nature implies the maintenance of the status quo. "change is coming" haha very funny.
Posted 11:16 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Marge, the current estimate of felons on the voting rolls in Florida is 30,000, and when told of this, the Secretary of State said he was surprised it was so low.
Posted 11:15 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
G Gordon Liddy????? Liddy went to prison and served his time, but I do not know of any judges homes he bombed, or any police stations. He also did not appear on a magazine cover, standing on the American flag, with the caption "Guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a great country".
Posted 11:08 AM, 10/14/2008
PattyPat1962
thelastrepub: Everything you listed (with the exception of the "record tax Hike" - not true in the least) has been going in under the current failed Bush Administration - what a moron! If all you and your other McCain supports have is to spew this stupid, uniformed, desperate and weak garbage, then like I said - keep posting, and we'll keep laughing, all the way to victory on Nov 4th!!! Man, you fools just Don't. Get. It.
Posted 11:02 AM, 10/14/2008
Gibba Mang
If McCain loses the election, and it looks like he will, they have no one else to blame but themselves. They vehimently supported Bush whose administration set all time low standards for conduct. Add in his poor handling of the war on terror and the GOP's failed experiment of deregulation and you have the making of a disaster. The reason why voters are rejecting McCain/Palin and the GOP is their failed conduct and policies of the past 8 years. Obama offers hope and leadership to Americans which the GOP cannot.
Posted 10:56 AM, 10/14/2008
EL Zorro
Republicans are so desperate that they are also blaming ACORN for the financial meltdown. This is what the McCain campaign claims in one of his newest ads: "ACORN forced banks to issue risky home loans, the same types of loans that caused the financial crisis we're in today." The truth is ACORN has fought against predatory lenders who have ripped off families. These predatory loans caused the crisis. ACORN members have held protests, released reports, and advocated for regulations to protect homeowners from predatory lenders. ACORN has brought class action lawsuits against several predatory lenders, and has lobbied the Federal Reserve and Congress in support of regulations against predatory lending. The Bush Administration and Congressional Republicans blocked these proposed regulations that would have averted the mortgage meltdown. (You can look it up.) This is a joke. The sad part is there are people out there believing these lies and/or trying to distort the truth, like some posters in this very blog.
Posted 10:38 AM, 10/14/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
still_independent, I would agree that every candidate is required to be examined with a microscope. We as Americans are owed that. I think McCain and Biden have been reviewed thru the years and we know them. But Palin and Obama we don't really know; they both came out of nowhere and it's taking time to get to know them. Remember, these are politicians, they are not people we see everyday; most of us don't pay attention to politicans that much (although we probably should). I don't mind the review of Palin but keep it fair; way too many people are making it just mean attacks. Obama really hasn't received a through review by most of the media. There are a lot of things that, let's be honest, if a republican had done would have been mentioned in every paper and newstation for months. Only a select few have done that and they often get criticised for that. The media obviously wants Obama to win which is why there have been virtually no critical reviews done on Obama by the mainstream media.
Posted 10:22 AM, 10/14/2008
still_independent
tom: I listened yesterday to some guy (given 45 minutes, I might ad)on Medved's program making the assertion that not only did Obama not write his second book himself, but that it was actually written by Ayers. he "knows" this because not only are there linguistic differences between Obama's two books, but there are actually several nautical references (like dropping ballast) in Obama's book, and Ayers was a merchant seaman. And no, I'm not making this up. ... I only bring any of this up because you seem to think that only Palin is being held up under the microscope. She isn't. the difference is that McCain and Obama have been picked through and pored over for two years now. Biden has already been through the primary process as well. Palin's been around for about a month. Of course everyone is going to focus on her - there's not much left to look at with the others.
Posted 10:20 AM, 10/14/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
OK PattyPat1962, let's say Obama actually wins. The democrats control Congress and White House and the following happens: we get record tax hikes, economic depression, failure in Iraq, we don't get Bin Laden, a new war with Iran, welfare programs that aren't funded so nobody gets anything, and our rights get chiseled away to match the socialist type government of Europe. When this happens who are you going to whine and complain about then since you would have gotten your wish?
Posted 10:15 AM, 10/14/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
ModerateMarge, we might actually be in agreement here. I can and will not tolerate voter fraud from ANYONE, from either party. Voting is a precious right that we Americans have fought and died for, it's what seperates us from the rest of the world. We showed the rest of the world just how great democracy is. Groups like ACORN (and any others causing voter fraud) must be dealt the harshest penalities possible. Voter fraud is unacceptable!
Posted 10:12 AM, 10/14/2008
PattyPat1962
Poor, stupid, desperate Repugs have nothing, NOTHING else to whine about, so they STILL, like the pathetic losers that they are, keep bringing up the Fox/Limbaugh/Right Wing Hate Radio smears about Obama that have long been debunked. Keep posting, deranged wingers - and we'll keep laughing - all the way to victory on Nov 4th.
Posted 10:07 AM, 10/14/2008
ModerateMarge
I am not denying that there are bad apples in Acorn. The problem of disappearing voter registration cards is a trick started by the GOP in the 2004 election in the West. I just think the blanket condemnations are misguided - it strengthens our country to have more and more groups become part of the provess !
Posted 10:06 AM, 10/14/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
pagoda, how do you make a simple mistake for 20 years? I still can't find anyone that would sit in Wright's church or work with Ayers after knowing he was a domestic terrorist. Just think, would you associate with someone that say beat their wife, or killed someone, or was a KKK member, or raped someone? Seriously, would you? Would any of you? It's not like these guys went to prison to pay their debt to society. They are unrepentant; they are pleased with what they did. This is why so many people are angry with Obama and why the Obama supporters are trying to minimize this.
Posted 09:57 AM, 10/14/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
ModerateMarge, this is from WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 /PRNewswire - Former ACORN Miami-Dade field director Mac Stuart has declared an intent to sue ACORN and has made charges of rampant voter fraud operations. Stuart was employed and specifically tasked by ACORN to generate 103,000 new voter registrations from Dade County. He reports that ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying for Democratic ones. Stuart also charges that ACORN targeted ex-cons and that he personally set up registration tables outside the Miami police department and Dade County jail. He went on to state, "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started." Also James Terry, Chief Public Advocate for the Consumers Rights League, today testified at a joint House Administration and House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing on "Federal, State and Local Efforts to Prepare for the General 2008 Election," where he highlighted "corruption at every level of ACORN including embezzlement, cover-ups, misuse of taxpayer funds and voter fraud." An excerpt of his testimony follows: http://www.consumersrightsleague.org/uploadedfiles/JamesTerryACORN9-24.pdf
Posted 09:53 AM, 10/14/2008
pagoda
thelastRepublicaninPhilly- Seriously dude, keep on talking about Obama's "association" with Ayers, or Wright, or Stalin, or Houdini. I'll keep talking about McCain's ASSOCIATION with loose cannon, box of hammers, Caribu Barbie. They actually share poster space.
Posted 09:50 AM, 10/14/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
Does any Obama supporter need any more proof that Obama is a socialist? Look at the exchange between him and a plumber in Ohio. This isn't a "rich" guy, this a blue-collar plumber. What more proof do you need that Obama is a socialist and will tax everyone? "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream." "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/13/obama-plumber-plan-spread-wealth/
Posted 09:50 AM, 10/14/2008
ModerateMarge
For voter supression how about the Florida voter purges where voters had to prove they were not felons. How about the GOP registrators who threw away Democrat registrations ??? And so on and so on.
Posted 09:47 AM, 10/14/2008
pagoda
I read your posts- usually well thought out, but today your snarky: "I mean, so he went to the church for 20 years and never knew the views of his pastor. Simple mistake." Qualifies my retort, so yes, I do read posts. Is it the Palin selection that's sinking McCain, or was he destined to flat-line?
Posted 09:47 AM, 10/14/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
pagoda, just to ask if Obama supporters thought things like Ayers, Wright, socialist and other things said about Obama were not working, why would you want the McCain supporters to stop using them? I think many Obama supporters do realize that things like this do work and are worried with 3 weeks to go. Obama peaked too soon and the polls are starting to drift back down.
Posted 09:44 AM, 10/14/2008
ModerateMarge
How about McCain and his relationship to good ole G Gordon Liddy ???? Read the list of Liddy's crimes - does this seem to be a guy to praise his character ?????
Posted 09:38 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
pagoda, do you read posts? I responded to something written by somebody else. I am not writing about Obama and his pastor. Geeze.
Posted 09:37 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Marge....who is the Domestic terrorist McCain pals around with? Can you cite one case of voter suppression?
Posted 09:37 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
This is part of the liberal double standard. It was posted here about Palin and her per diem expenses, her tax returns, and how Biden rides AMTRAK and pays his own way. However, nobody bothered to check out the NYT article, where it states that a lot of Biden's expenses, including for his train rides, have been paid out of his campaign funds. He tapped his campaign funds for landscaping at his home, commuting expenses, etc. I wonder if Joe claimed that on his tax returns? let's see some tax professor talk about that the way they talked about Palin. Yeah, good old average guy Joe is anything but, and of course it never gets mentioned here.
Posted 09:32 AM, 10/14/2008
ModerateMarge
Tom - How about the Domestic terrorist McCain pals around with ?????
Posted 09:27 AM, 10/14/2008
pagoda
Tom, if your candidate could win a debate, maybe you wouldn't be writing AGAIN about Obama's pastor- highly affective? check the polls.
Posted 09:26 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
diddy, nobody is going around campaigning that Obama is a terrorist, just that he knew one. I mean I know he was just a guy in Obama's neighborhood that he worked with and believed was rehabilitated. I also know that if McCain had worked with a rehabilitated Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols or Unabomber, nobody in the media or any of you liberals would even think twice about it.....right? Of course.
Posted 09:25 AM, 10/14/2008
ModerateMarge
And McCain now has HIS pastor moments which is a far cry from 2000. How about the Domestic terrorist(s) that McCain pals around with ???? Says alot about his character don't you think ???
Posted 09:18 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
diddy, no Republican is campaigning that Obama is a terrorists, just that he knows one. After all, he was just some guy in the neighborhood....wait, I mean he served on boards with but assumed had been rehabilitated. I asked before....if McCain had worked with a rehabilitated Tim McVeigh or Terry Nichols (also in on the Oklahoma City bomb) or maybe the Unabomber, would the media and all you liberals care? Bet your butt you would....but with Obama it is okay.
Posted 09:15 AM, 10/14/2008
tom - wilmington, de
diddy, I never claimed Obama was a black nationalist. I simply quoted from his book and stated his pastor and church adhered to the black nationalist theory. Find where I said anything about Obama being a black nationalist. I mean, so he went to the church for 20 years and never knew the views of his pastor. Simple mistake.
Posted 09:11 AM, 10/14/2008
ModerateMarge
Please answer this - just how many LEGITMATE voters is it ok to disenfranchize to make sure an illegal voter does not vote ??? It is limke the GOP effort on crime - kill 99 innocents so the one guilty does not get away. And for the voter fraud - there is an intelligent way to handle that - THROW THE BOOK AT THE PERPETRATORS ! If there is swift and sure punishment it will slow it down alot !
Posted 08:17 AM, 10/14/2008
yobill626
Dems try to win by voter fraud & Repubs are the kings of voter suppression. Both are bad & should be punished if caught. If McCain doesn't turn it around THIS WEEK, it will be a landslide. I would expect Obama to start focusing his campaigning in the states like NC, MN & OR for the Senate candidates of his party.
Posted 05:55 AM, 10/14/2008
Bud Fox
one of the things I love about you democrats is your ability to only see one side of the campaign. are some republicans throwing "sticks, stones, and tufts of grass"? Yes. But are some democrats guilty of the same? Yes! You act as though it's only the republicans that are guilty of this stuff and you hate them for it.
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Posted 12:59 AM, 10/14/2008
p-diddy
jwad, you wrote: "It's all fair since Obama has already put in place the race factor in case he loses." - -- You idiot, Obama is black. Did you think people wouldn't notice?
Posted 12:33 AM, 10/14/2008
yobill626
Mahoney should resign, but he won't. Emmanuel is a fool if he is in FLA helping him. Haven't the Dems learned anything from the disgraceful behavior of the Repubs from 2002 - 2006? Fortunately, the voters will get the opportunity to toss him out on his butt very soon. What makes Mahoney's case different from Palin's is that the voters never selected her for VP. McCain did. A terrible decision by the leader of a poorly run campaign. At least we'll get to reject her & her poor decision maker boss on Nov. 4th.
Posted 11:05 PM, 10/13/2008
still_independent
tom: I'll get to the abuse of power in another post due to wordcount limits, but a brief note about the tasered 10 year old (actually 11, but I'm sure he'll be 7 by the end of the week). Was it stupid? Yes. Did the kid ask for it? Literally, yes. Right afterwards, he went upstairs and was fine. His mother never reported the incident until after the divorce. When investigators asked Bristol Palin, who was there, why they waited so long to report it, she said "because of the divorce." Now again, was it stupid? Absolutely. Should he have been fired for it? Not even close. As the son of a (now) retired cop, I have, as a kid, been (and excuse the made-up words) batoned, pepper sprayed, compliance-holded, kubitaned, joint locked, handcuffed, taken down, etc. Guess what? None of it was anything other than consensual and non-abusive. Taken out of context? Something else entirely.
Posted 10:44 PM, 10/13/2008
jwad56
p-diddy next time please quote me truthfully. You are the idiot for not reading what I said which was pretty straightforward.
Posted 10:27 PM, 10/13/2008
mcnuckel
Xi, I don't know what you're dmoking but I don't want any. In Fla. 2000, more jews voted for Buchanan then Gore and in Duval County over 20,000 AA were disanfranchised! Get a life and stop all the spin.
Posted 09:45 PM, 10/13/2008
liberal
It's really amusing to hear some of the far-right contributors here keep repeating that Obama is a "socialist" (as if repeating it enough would make it true) when the current right-wing republican government has just assumed ownership of most of the financial services industry!
Posted 09:39 PM, 10/13/2008
liberal
Submitting a faked voter registration is bad and I wouldn't waste time defending it on moral or public policy grounds, but it's interesting that in many states it's not a criminal violation of the election law. Most election laws penalize only attempts to vote fraudulently, with the intention to affect the results of the election. An intent by a canvasser to submit registrations in order to receive money from ACORN or similar organization is not generally a violation of election laws. Maybe it should be, but under existing law the distinction is significant.
Posted 09:31 PM, 10/13/2008
liberal
There are perfectly good reasons to vote Republican in this election, or any other election. They're not my reasons, but they make good sense in a certain context. So why do so many right-wingers feel obligated to create a paranoid conspiracy fairytale that demonizes the democratic candidate, rather than argue their perfectly reasonable case? This is not an aberration; it has happened in election after election in my memory. It poisons the air and encourages the worst people in the country, the bitter ones looking for scapegoats. This was the scenario for European politics in the 1930s; something we don't need here as we head (possibly) into hard times again.
Posted 09:31 PM, 10/13/2008
donnancmom
HandNik - that's only ONE of the reasons Palin should resign.
Posted 09:27 PM, 10/13/2008
Hostile Knowledge
donde said: Hostile-do you really think that Hillary's fact finders wouldn't have found this one out? They vetted the hell out of Obama already. But good try. >>>>>>> The same defense was thrown up in behalf of "Lover Boy" Edwards. "Just a smear," they said. Where is Johnny, now? Stay tuned! ;)
Posted 09:20 PM, 10/13/2008
p-diddy
People at a McCain rally on 10/10 were shouting "Kill him", "terrorist" and "traitor". Another woman shouted "Bomb Obama". A woman onstage called Obama an Arab - as if that were grounds to dismiss his candidacy. Last week at a Palin rally a man walked around a monkey doll wearing with an Obama sign on it held high. Palin herself says that Obama "pals around with terrorists". Hopefully this campaign tactic will backfire, and I think it will.
Posted 09:05 PM, 10/13/2008
donde
Hostile-do you really think that Hillary's fact finders wouldn't have found this one out? They vetted the hell out of Obama already. But good try.
Posted 08:39 PM, 10/13/2008
p-diddy
I heard McCain was the father of Bristol Palin's baby! It's true! Breaking news!
Posted 08:33 PM, 10/13/2008
Hostile Knowledge
BREAKING!!!>>>>>>>http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/10/13/will-media-investigate-obama-affair-rumorsWILL MEDIA INVESTIGATE OBAMA AFFAIR RUMORS?>>>>>>>Snips:> Having now spoken to someone tracking the story, I can say:1) It’s not just a silly little rumor.> 2) It will break in some form shortly. The question is how prestigious an outlet breaks it. (PS, at best, it won’t be that prestigious, at least at first, but there’s a lot here so when someone finally touches, there is a good chance of an Edwards-like “Oh yeah, we were working on that too” pile-on.) Fire is being held as those who know the story try to get someone of import to break it; if they pass, it will be flooded out through secondary channels.> 3) The story has a Fred Baron. Not THE Fred Baron. But actually– an even better Fred Baron. The woman is “working” in the Caribbean drawing a salary from…. uhhh… let’s say from someone who is a big, shiny part of the dirty Chicago political machine. And it makes no sense that she’s doing her supposed “job,” for which she seems unqualified anyway, in the Caribbean, of all places. It’s unclear how she could possibly do this job at all, never mind from the Caribbean. And she’s been there for at least a year. (At least.) This isn’t some sabbatical or few months’ of “work” on an island paradise.>>>>>>>UH-OH... HERE WE GO!
Posted 08:30 PM, 10/13/2008
p-diddy
jwad56 - Obama put "race into play"? What the hell does that mean? Obama is black, you idiot.
Posted 08:29 PM, 10/13/2008
p-diddy
Obama will win this election, despite the racist tactics being used by the Republican party. Afterward, the Republican party will have to live with the tone they set for this election, and how that will affect their efforts at minority outreach. This country is becoming less white, and if the Republicans want to remain relevant, they will have to come to grips with their racist campaign tactics.
Posted 08:21 PM, 10/13/2008
p-diddy
In fact, the GOP strategy is to make people think Barack Obama is a terrorist. The guy is black. Big deal.
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Posted 08:14 PM, 10/13/2008
politicod
Appropos nothing, Salon.com has a posting angry voters outside a Palin rally, and it is the scariest thing I ever saw. The site is Allentown, Pa. The comments are vile and racist. John Lewis was right to alarmed at the tone being set by McCain/Palin.
Posted 08:11 PM, 10/13/2008
p-diddy
The GOP strategy is to try to make Obama seem as "black" or "exotic" as possible, to paint him as out of the mainstream. Tom writes about Obama being some sort of "black nationalist", while some other fool raises some phony connection to Louis Farrakhan. What nonsense. The Republican party better rethink the route the McCain campaign is taking in this election. When people say that the Republican party is hostile to minorities, this is the sort of thing they are talking about.
Posted 07:57 PM, 10/13/2008
CD75
Obama is not a mere socialist. Obama is a Marxist.
Posted 07:22 PM, 10/13/2008
ModerateMarge
I recall the Hannity making the absolutely asinine suggestion that there will be poor voters travelling from county to county i Ohio to vote everywhere !!1 Just how many poor will have the resources and time and money to do that ???? What an idiot.
Posted 07:19 PM, 10/13/2008
ModerateMarge
My point is just how hard do we make it ???? Do we want voter roles purged to the point that there is chaos on election day ???? Do we want to be so sure that we do not count a small number of illegal voters to the point that we infringe on many many legal voters ????
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Posted 06:45 PM, 10/13/2008
ModerateMarge
I hear endless GOP spin about Acorn. I ask this respectfully of all - which is worse Voter Fraud or Voter Supression ???? Both cause faulty vote counts - but benefit very different sides.
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Posted 06:10 PM, 10/13/2008
p-diddy
This election won't be close enough for anyone to blame it on ACORN.
Posted 06:03 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
writerstephen....I do not hate either anyone or anything. However, to me the important part of the quote from the book is near the end, when he talks about being a spy behind enemy lines, and about a calm, smiling, courteous young black man who does not seem angry all the time. It is as if Obama is painting us a picture of seeing what he wants us to see....which may not be the real Obama. It is when he says he learned the tricks about how to fool people, and I wonder if that is what he is doing now.
Posted 05:58 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Re: ACORN and fraud. Remember the battle cry during the Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill controversy. I recall the left yelling "The nature of the evidence is irrelevant, it is the seriousness of the charge that matters." This is a pattern with ACORN from 2002, 2004 and 2006 for which they have been fined in several states and some of their people even put away. I am not surprised that Polman and a lot of others find this a non-story, but heaven forbid if it was, say, the NRA trying to register people in this manner. Then it would be hearings, special prosecutors and the corruption of the Republican party that was at the center of everything.
Posted 05:38 PM, 10/13/2008
writerstephen
Tom in Wilmington? Are you listening Tom? Your quote from Obama's book? Yeah, you know, the one that supposedly paints him as a racist? It actually does the opposite. I mean, when people who aren't blinded by misplaced fear and rage read it. Let go of your hate. I feel the conflict within you! Quakers for Obama!
Posted 05:26 PM, 10/13/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
Does anyone else find this disturbing Louis Farrakhan calls Obama the Messiah www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE. This stopped being funny a while ago and now it is frightening. With this, a socialist (Obama) running for office, Obama changing the presidental seal, to the new national anthem, to the videos of the Obama Youth in the military clothes and singing songs about him. This is really starting to should like Germany in the late 30's.
Posted 05:25 PM, 10/13/2008
NigeltheMastiff
Tom, I find that kind of hypocrisy equally repugnant, no matter who it is. However, I must say, there seem to be an array of conservatives who give loud vocal sermons about family values and morality. Then lo and behold, we learn they were some of the sleaziest around. What bothers me the most is the hypocrisy of it all. Seems like the louder someone proclaims virtue, the more digustingly he (in this case, they have all been he)behaves.
Posted 05:20 PM, 10/13/2008
CD75
The fact that Polman is so dismissive of "registration" fraud does raise questions about his journalistic integrity.
Posted 05:19 PM, 10/13/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
One of many examples of voter fraud done by ACORN. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/10-13-2004/0002275937&EDATE
Posted 05:17 PM, 10/13/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
McCain Now Leads In Ohio Poll Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:30 AM -- THE POLL: The Ohio Newspaper Poll, presidential race among likely Ohio voters (20 electoral votes). THE NUMBERS: John McCain 48 percent, Barack Obama 46 percent. OF INTEREST: Three weeks ago, this poll had Republican McCain leading 48-42 percent. Democrat Obama has been closing the gap as economic concerns simmer, with 22 percent of Ohio voters saying they are very or somewhat worried about losing their jobs and 18 percent very or somewhat worried about losing their homes. More than half of Ohio voters, or 53 percent, said they either strongly or somewhat disapproved of the federal government's $700 billion bailout of troubled financial institutions. DETAILS: Conducted Oct. 4-8 by landline telephone among 876 likely Ohio voters. Sampling error plus or minus 3.3 percent. © 2008 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Posted 05:11 PM, 10/13/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
still_independent, I'm still a little confused how exactly they determined an abuse of power, except I guess the point that Todd Palin might have been overstepping his bounds. I think we all can agree that this trooper that got fired actually should have been fired with his threats to the Palin family, tazering a 10 year old and drunk on duty. I still don't know why the normal channels didn't remove this disgraceful officer, but it was clear this guy was a problem and should have been removed.
Posted 04:59 PM, 10/13/2008
still_independent
tom: but none of that has anything to do with Palin and whether or not she abused her power. Those that are now throwing R names at you ARE doing the typical (of both sides) yeah, but look at your guy/gal. In even bringing it up, though you're doing the same ... "Well sure, Palin may have done that, but what about this?"
Posted 04:54 PM, 10/13/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
I had posted a lot of articles and comments on Poleman's previous blog "Abuse of Power" http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/americandebate/Abuse_of_power.html; please feel free to review. To be honest, I didn't even think Poleman would write anything about ACORN so I had decided to post multiple sources that pointed out the voter fraud committed by ACORN and stated this was a true abuse of power and pointed out the involvement of Obama and many democrats. Our right to vote is one of our most precious rights like our freedom of speech. The criminal acts from ACORN cannot be tolerated. Of course Poleman says this is a non-issue, CNN hasn't said anything yet and the fact that I can find obvious voter fraud proven with about a dozen sources (independent of the RNC) that clearly indicates that ACORN is attempting to steal the election and that Obama is involved by either direction, funding and/or just receiving the residual benefit. This type of action can NEVER be accepted since it defeats the purpose of free elections. The fact that a newspaper writer like Poleman dismisses this as nothing tells me that he is no longer a journalist and should not be considered as one. Our freedoms our our God-given rights and Poleman see nothing wrong with taking them away from us.
Posted 04:42 PM, 10/13/2008
LoserMcCain
Does it bother any of you that McCain cheated on and abandonded his disabled and disfigured wife with a beer heiress/sugar mama whose sole purpose seems to have been to fund his now failed political career?
Posted 04:34 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
I have to laugh. Point out a Democrat hypocrite and what do the liberals do...they attack!!!!! None of you has condemned the man, asked where he got the money for the payments, said anything about his aggrieved wife, wondered about the lawsuit where he fired her for ending the affair. All you did was attack me and point out Republicans who did the same thing (all of whom were chastised by each of you for being hypocrites and dirtbags). If just once, either Rauol, frank, loser or any of you would say "he should resign immediately" as you all said about Vitter, et al, I would be shocked. That is the trouble with liberals....they never answer the question or charges...they just attack the messenger and say "Oh yeah, well, look what somebody on your side did". Talk about lack of personal accountability. Besides, Rahm Emmanuel has been in Florida to help Mahoney minimize the damage this has done to his campaign. Doesn't it even smack of hypocrisy to any of you that the guy who ran on a morality campaign after the Foley scandal was cheating on his wife and giving a job on his staff to his mistress during the campaign?
Posted 04:26 PM, 10/13/2008
LoserMcCain
Starter list of Republicans in sex scandals: Randal David Ankeney , Jim Bakker ,Bob Barr , Parker J. Bena ,Louis Beres, John Bolton, Jim Bunn , President of the United States George W. Bush, Neil Bush, Ken Calvert, Helen Chenoweth, Mark Foley, Newt Gingrich, Philip Giordano, Rudy Giuliani, Matthew Glavin, Neal Horsley Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Rush Limbaugh , Jeff Miller, Joseph M. McDade, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Packwood, George Roche III, Joe Scarborough, Ed Schrock, Dr. Laura Schlessinger, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jean Schmidt, Jimmy Swaggart, Randall Terry, Strom Thurmond, Jim West – Oh, and one other honorable adulterer: John S. McCain
Posted 04:19 PM, 10/13/2008
Rauol Duke
tom - wilmington, de, you are real desperate, you are like a guy who hasn't been laid in a year. Big frigging deal about Mahoney, he is in Florida, he was not chasing teenage boys. If you think this is an issue, let bring up all your buddies, Sen. Vitter, Sen. Craig, and all the congressman, which are too numerous to name them all. We have a low life in our party too! Whoop dee do. Go get laid.
Posted 04:13 PM, 10/13/2008
frankg962
Oh and Tom, Palin is running for Vice President. Her behavior smacks of the same cronyism and incompetence the current tenant of the White House exhibits.
Posted 04:11 PM, 10/13/2008
frankg962
Tom - umm seems to me I remember a number of Republicans who did the same type of thing. Everyone is weak, the thing is that the republicans want to call attention to the democrats weaknesses and then criticize the media when their weakenesses are brought to light. Good to see that the Kool Aid is still working.
Posted 04:11 PM, 10/13/2008
frankg962
Tom - umm seems to me I remember a number of Republicans who did the same type of thing. Everyone is weak, the thing is that the republicans want to call attention to the democrats weaknesses and then criticize the media when their weakenesses are brought to light. Good to see that the Kool Aid is still working.
Posted 04:06 PM, 10/13/2008
JeffB
Economic justice equals socialism.
Posted 03:46 PM, 10/13/2008
CD75
Nobama is lying to America about his tax cut for "95%". It is really a welfare program with dressed up words. Also, if you make over $40,000, you are not even eligble for the full tax credits because you will be deemed too rich. No one is discussing this, are they?
Posted 03:30 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Apparently, when she tried to end the affair because he had other mistresses, she was fired from her job on his campaign staff. This was heard on a taped conversation that was supplied to ABC News. For those of you who criticize Palin, THAT is a real abuse of power.
Posted 03:27 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Breaking news from ABC News: Democrat Congressman Tim Mahoney is caught up in a scandal involving and $120K hush payment made to his former mistress. She also received a $50K/year job handling his advertising for two years. This all came about after she threatened to sue him. The married Congressman started the affair during his campaign in 2006 that promised a more moral world. Get this....he replaced Mark Foley and ran as a "family values" kind of guy....while cheating on his wife. Ya just gotta love those Democrats.
Posted 03:12 PM, 10/13/2008
RG
Oh, and the author of that article, Tara Wall, was a former Bush appointee and senior advisor of the RNC.
Posted 03:08 PM, 10/13/2008
NigeltheMastiff
Tom, believe me, conservatives ALWAYS win in Georgia. My vote never counts down here. The fact that the same law was never applied to absentee voting makes is questionable, as one can much more easily commit fraud that way.
Posted 03:00 PM, 10/13/2008
RG
The beauty of it all is that hope and chnage works so well because the Bush admin has been a disaster, as predicted by those crazy libz. How's that national debt going? Maybe killing of a whole $16 bil in earmarks (less than 1% of GDP) will save us?
Posted 02:58 PM, 10/13/2008
RG
Obama wants to drill further offshore than most GOpers, don't know Bush's stance. As for middle class tax cuts, they were a bad idea before, but are needed now. However, Bush also cut taxes on the upper class, while still spending like a drunk, something Obama opposed.
Posted 02:56 PM, 10/13/2008
bpphilly
"Hope, Change!" "Hope, Change!!" He "hopes" people won't figure out who he really is and "change" their vote!
Posted 02:55 PM, 10/13/2008
bpphilly
RG: yeah, minor details, including: welfare, healthcare, tax breaks to the middle-class, faith-based initiatives, minority homeownership, and amazingly in a stunning reversal DRILLING! Minor details? HAHAHA, sounds like the messiah's entire platform. You're right, McCain voted 90% of the time with Bush, but now after analysis, NObama basically agrees with a whole bunch of Bush policies. HAHAHA, what a joke. A nice attempt to spin though, I will give you credit for that!
Posted 02:52 PM, 10/13/2008
still_independent
tom: then I agree with you. I believe the original proposals had the fee and no "come to you provision", though.
Posted 02:46 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Still....the Georgia law did not require a drivers license. It was a separate Georgia Voter ID Card and were provided free of charge (this was a revision to the original law that did require a fee). The state would even come out to the person if they could not go to the state. And still this was challenged as disenfranchising voters.
Posted 02:45 PM, 10/13/2008
RG
I've read that article, many of those issues are minor and the commentator provides little to no depth. One guy voted with Bush 90% of the time, and it wasn't Obama.
Posted 02:44 PM, 10/13/2008
RG
And repubs obviously skip blame for overseeing two expensive, bloodly wars, paid for on credit, while doubling the deficit in 8 years AND presiding over the worst financial crisis since the depression. But its the libz and the MSM medias fault. Everything's really hunky dorey, and McCain is a fabulous candidate, so great that he actually lost to the current guy in the 2000 primaries.
Posted 02:41 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
"Black Nationalism provided that history. An unambiguous morality tale that was easily communicated and easily grasped: a steady attack on the White race, the constant recitation of black people's brutal experience in this country served as the ballast that could prevent the ideas of personal responsibility into an ocean of despair. "Yes", the nationalists would say, "Whites are responsible for your sorry state, not any inherent flaws in you. In fact", the nationalists would continue, "whites are so heartless and devious that we can no longer expect anything from them. The self-loathing you feel, what keeps you drinking or thieving, is planted by them.".....it contradicted the morality my mother had taught me, a morality of subtle distinctions....between active malice and ignorance or indifference....It was usually an effective tactic, another of those tricks I had learned. People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied. They were revealed. Such a pleasant surprise to find a well mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.....Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived every day at my Mid-Manhattan office and sat at my computer terminal."...Barack Obama from "Dreams From My Father". FYI - black nationalism is also the church of Jeremiah Wright.
Posted 02:35 PM, 10/13/2008
bpphilly
But by all means RG, click on the link and then tell us what exactly "HOPE & CHANGE" really mean. Please. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html
Posted 02:32 PM, 10/13/2008
bpphilly
RG: No RG, it's more like a bit of equity, and proof that your Messiah is nothing but words coming from an empty suit. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. But would I expect you to agree on that, of course not because that would only illustrate the double-standard exploits of your chosen party. Instead of trying to jump on my case, try checking out the link and let us all know why you still would think your boy is still the only one who can save America from itself. Then come on here and attempt to spin it. It's funny how even when faced with the truth, such as ACORN's blatant fruad, Libs will still find ways to rationalize, justify and blame someone else.
Posted 02:23 PM, 10/13/2008
RG
"Enjoy NObama, or should I say Obambush??" This coming from the person who last week railed against childish libz who called Bush names. More do as I say not as I do.
Posted 02:22 PM, 10/13/2008
still_independent
tom: if Voter IDs are provided at no cost, then I have no issue with them. Otherwise, they amount to a de facto poll tax. The issues in some places like GA were that they were requiring drivers licenses. Many poor, rural voters had none. In addition to now having to pay for a driver's license that they would need only to vote, for some would be voters, it was more than 100 miles to the nearest office to get a driver's license. Many of them, shockingly, had no car. the reason it's not an issue in NJ and DE (or NJ, at least) is that they accept not only driver's licenses, but also sample ballots, utility bills, bank statement, student ID, job ID, etc. I have no problem with this, but that wasn't the case in some of the other states.
Posted 02:19 PM, 10/13/2008
SNS08
Hmmm. Seems McCain was for ACORN in March 2006 before he was suddenly against it this year ... what's that I hear: flip-flop, flip-flop. More like Total Flop!!!
Posted 02:17 PM, 10/13/2008
bpphilly
Here's a nice little article for all of you who scream "McSame": http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html Pretty interesting what REAL journalism has the ability to show us. I can't wait for the left spin on this. Enjoy NObama, or should I say Obambush??
Posted 02:15 PM, 10/13/2008
Djoko Pritza
"After I whip his you-know-what in this debate, we're going to be going out 24/7," McCain said. Ah, leadership, John McCain style!
Posted 02:14 PM, 10/13/2008
still_independent
CD75: nowhere does Polman say that "voter'registration' fraud is OK". What he is doing is correctly drawing the distinction between resigistration fraud and voter fraud. While no one condones registration fraud, it has exactly zero to do with election day. Funny, the R's don't mind when thousands of legitimate voters are "accidentally" purged from FLA voter rolls, but it 1000 TO's show up and will never vote, the end of the Republic is coming. And BTW, it's the Democrats in Nevada that were kicking in the doors and raiding offices.
Posted 02:11 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Voter ID laws do not disenfranchise voters. Here in DE we need to show our ID before voting, and I never heard of it disenfranchising anybody. When I lived in NJ I had to show an ID before voting and I never heard of anybody being disenfranchised there either. Funny, DE and NJ are both blue states, so I guess it is not an issue. However, GA, Indiana and Alabama are red states, so it must be an issue of voters being disenfranchised. How else could a Republican or Conservative win.
Posted 02:11 PM, 10/13/2008
JeffB
Repeat after me, I am a socialist. I am not speacial. I am just like everyone else. I cannot survive without help. I need help. Help me.
Posted 02:07 PM, 10/13/2008
still_independent
tom: did their executive director personally endorse Obama, or did ACORN officially endorce Obama? Yes, there is a huge difference.
Posted 02:05 PM, 10/13/2008
inappropriatelaughter
I would hope that mainstream media does not feed the inevitable conspiracy theories because of the hate it will magnify from EITHER side should EITHER side lose the election. It's like they're TRYING to spark the civil wars that will arise over this. Our country is already under enough pressure with the economy as bad as it is...
Posted 01:59 PM, 10/13/2008
CD75
I like the word-game Polman plays, voter "registration" fraud is OK; voter "election" fraud is bad. Nice word play. In the real world Fraud is fraud, Mr. Polman. It is a manipulation of our system. The Nobama campaign gave $880,000 to a group that is under investigation for using, presumably, that money in furtherence of an alleged fraud.
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Posted 01:48 PM, 10/13/2008
CD75
Polman misses the point (suprise). The issues with Acorn and Nobama is not fraud. The real issue is that Nobama paints himself as a moderate and as a unifer, and by doing so Nobama is duping America. Based on his associations with Wright, Acorn and Ayers, who are all on the far left fringe of the democrat party, Nobama is really an extreme leftist if not a Marxist. That is the true Obama that he and you are trying to cover up. Write a commentary on that.
Posted 01:46 PM, 10/13/2008
HandNik
Nothing wrong with one side, as long as it's the good one.
Posted 01:44 PM, 10/13/2008
CD75
If there was ever a clearer example of one-sided commentary, it is this one. Get real Polman.
Posted 01:42 PM, 10/13/2008
HandNik
Interesting that most people I talk to don't find it refuted anyway. If investigations are always true, shouldn't Palin resign because she abused her power?
Posted 01:41 PM, 10/13/2008
Waiting4U
Xi Jah didn't even read the column or he wouldn't have posted those ridiculously stupid posts. Typical. The McCain supporters here have their panties in a wad because the MSM refuses to create a story where there isn't one. It's the same with Ayers. Imagine that.
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Posted 01:34 PM, 10/13/2008
NigeltheMastiff
Funny, down here in the deep -- and horrifyingly bigoted South -- we have a different problem. Georgia and Alabama were just cited for other unsavory practices, like dumping thousands of newly registered voters from the rolls after the deadline to do so. Or sending the Social Security Administration an inordinate number (compared to other states) of names to crosscheck. The relatively new law on the books requiring every voter to have a photo I.D. has been challenged a couple of times because it can so easily disenfranchise the elderly and poor. There is no requirement to prove who you are if you are voting by absentee ballot -- an option much easier to defraud the system. Sigh. I frankly get tired of dishonesty on both sides.
Posted 01:31 PM, 10/13/2008
tom - wilmington, de
And ACORN does all this with your tax dollars. Nice to see out tax dollars at work. The fact they are also tied to the Democrats, and in an interview their executive director endorsed Obama (contrary to their tax exempt status) means nothing. You can be if this was the NRA Polman would have had a completely different spin.
Posted 01:28 PM, 10/13/2008
HandNik
I had to work for the Republican party of Philadelphia for community service. (Highly illegal in the first place) I was sent to West Philly to tell the registered Republicans who to vote for in the primaries. Oddly enough, most of the addresses were vacant lots and abandoned buildings. So, you right-wingers can stop trying to blame the liverals for all the voter fraud, especially after the last two presidential elections.
Posted 01:26 PM, 10/13/2008
Ender
McCain is really getting desperate. Watching his campaign reminds me of the Wizard of Oz. I can visualize McCain as the Wicked Witch of the West; "I'm melting, I'm melting..." 22 days and there will be nothing left.
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Posted 01:05 PM, 10/13/2008
jwad56
It's all fair since Obama has already put in place the race factor in case he loses.
Posted 01:05 PM, 10/13/2008
CleanupPhilly
It's not false that ACORN is involved in trying to create a voting bloc that can be easily managed at the expense of little things like law, fairness, or ethics.
Posted 01:04 PM, 10/13/2008
jmc
Yeah, why would voter fraud be a danger to the Republic? When, as in 2000 and 2004, there is no evidence of fraud, liberals decry the system from the highest rooftops. Now that the fraud it is "beyond dispute", they discover the system works fine and will filter out all the phony voters anyway. Why the change in attitude, I wonder?
Posted 01:03 PM, 10/13/2008
CleanupPhilly
I don't think it's overselling the case at all to say that ACORN was involved in voter fraud. It's voter registration fraud, so it's fraud related to voting. The ACORN in Philly is active in trying to prevent all property tax collection, and it's proving to be an impediment to collecting property taxes even on vacant lots and vacant buildings, or taxes from properties that are not primary residences, like investment properties. It's prevents the city school system from being adequately funded, so it hurts kids, who don't vote, at the expense of creating a stable voting bloc that keeps electing suspect pols.
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Posted 12:40 PM, 10/13/2008
Djoko Pritza
Also, McCain has unveiled today yet another campaign speech, designed to be more upbeat and less fear-mongering. Which leads one to ask: "Who is the real John McCain anyway?"
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