Six days after President Obama formally announced his troop surge in Afghanistan, I'm still trying to figure out whether his stated date for the start of military withdrawals is firm or fictional, whether it applies to all troops or just the surge troops - and, indeed, whether all the timetable talk is just intended to distract us from the very real prospects of a long-term military presence.
Various Obama officials, while seeking to clarify these issues, have actually sowed more confusion by sending mixed signals. They started doing it last Wednesday, and they sustained it right through the Sunday talk shows.
Talk about your fog of war: On Wednesday, Chip Reid of CBS News asked Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs to get presidential clarification as to whether July '11, the date for the start of troop pullouts, was real or merely aspirational. Gibbs checked with Obama and relayed Obama's response. Reid subsequently reported that this date "is locked in - there is no flexibility. Troops will start coming home in July 2011. Period. It's etched in stone. Gibbs said he even had the chisel."
Yet, that same day, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said something very different. Gstes (who in private had reportedly opposed setting any timetables) told a Senate panel that the July '11 date was quite fungible, that the administration would need to determine in advance "whether or not we can begin that transition in July."
And on Thursday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified on Capitol Hill that "I do not believe we have locked ourselves into leaving." And check out the loopholes and caveats in this passage: "I would believe that we would be able to start the transition as planned in 2011. We also know there will be probably for the foreseeable future a drawdown and transfer out of combat troops, but a request for continuing (American) logistical support for the Afghan security force."
(Translation, as best I can manage: The 2011 start-of-withdrawal date is not etched in stone at all; rather, Clinton thinks we "would be able" to meet it. And if the Afghans keep needing "logistical support," the pullout pace could slow to a trickle "for the foreseeable future.")
Indeed, a senior official from an allied nation, speaking on background to McClatchy Newspapers, said Thursday that, based on the briefings that allies have received from Obama officials, "The emphasis on drawdown is for domestic consumption, to appeal to (Obama's) liberal constituency at home. We were told in no uncertain terms that there will be no withdrawal."
Meanwhile, it's not clear whether the July '11 drawdown date (whether firm or fanciful) would mark the start of withdrawing all U.S. troops - or merely the 30,000 newly-dispatched troops. A State Department spokesman reportedly stated on Thursday that the drawdown date would cover all the troops, but a senior administration official told McClatchy that the date "primarily" covers only the surge troops; as he explained, "It is hard to envision that conditions will be such that will allow for a further withdrawal beyond that."
Clinton and Gates hedged some more on the Sunday talk shows. Clinton told NBC: "We're not talking about an exit strategy or a drop-dead deadline. What we're talking about is an assessment that, in January 2011, we can begin a transition." And Gates told NBC that we may be talking about a distant horizon: "We're talking about something that will take place over a period of time." (What is "a period time?" Two years? Five? Ten?)
But then Gates gave the game away, signaling in essence that we're in for a far longer haul than Obama seemed to imply in his speech. Gates told NBC: "We will have a significant - we will have 100,000 forces, troops, there. And they are not leaving in July of 2011. Some handful, or some small number, or whatever the conditions will permit, will begin to withdraw at that time."
In translation: "Some handful" will come home in the summer of '11, but the rest will have to stay, dependent upon the prevailing "conditions" (which probably won't be much different from today's conditions), and dependent upon the Afghanis' likely ongoing need for "logistical support" (as Clinton put it).
As national security advisor James Jones said yesterday on CNN, "we are not leaving Afghanistan. We're here to make sure the Afghans succeed." And as General David Petraeus told Fox News yesterday, "There's no timeline, no ramp, nothing like that."
So I'm still not clear how all these remarks square with Obama's statement last Tuesday night that "our troop commitment in Afghanistan cannot be open-ended, because the nation that I'm most interested in building is our own." The truth is, they don't; in the words of former State and Defense official Richard Haas, speaking yesterday on ABC News, "Wars are always easier to get into than out of."
But this much is clear: Even though Obama has bought himself a little time, this timetable dispute (which is really a metaphor for the broader debate over war aims)will be revisited with a vengeance 18 months from now - just as he's starting to gear up for re-election. That much, at least, we can etch in stone.
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One difference between our presence and those of Alexander the Great, the Moors, the Romans, the British and the USSR is that they all tried to conquer and control the Afghans. We have no desire to do that, which is why the surge strategy to protect the cities and citizens while disrupting and hopefully dismantling the Taliban insurgency. I believe the theory is to show the Afghans we have no desire to occupy and control either their country or their lives in the hope they take control of their own destiny. As for all the Obama speak, how's that hope and change working out for you? tom - wilmington, de
Dick, we all know you are challenged in smarts, but can't you see that your messiah is a liar and will say anything and trow anyone under the bus for a vote? By the way, how is that Gitmo closing comming along? When will Gitmo close? CD75
Tom--historically, the goal of empires is generally not always to control their provinces, but primarily to assure that there is a friendly government in place there. Empires have always found that friendly governments are cheaper than direct control. So in that sense our goal in Afghanistan is not much different from that of the Greeks, Romans, Turks, and the USSR. I have no personal objection to this, assuming that Afghanistan involves our national interest in an important way. But we often make too much about how unique and singular American interests are compared to past hegemonies. liberal
A good leader does not express his views with no ambiguity. A good leader expresses policy in a way as to command the broadest possible support. Clarity is seldom a virtue in doing this. liberal
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tom: besides echoing liberal's 11:34 sentiments, I'd like to point out that "to show the Afghans we have no desire to occupy and control either their country or their lives" is easier said than done. And of course, the more troops we send (which I agree that the security situation would necessitate) the harder it is to do. Remember, our actual intentions are immaterial. It is their preception of our intentions that matter. still_independent
kelprod1 (or is it Kaiser?): "Any true leader would be able to convey his EXACT thoughts with no ambiguity - and do it in speeces given once a week." i guess like a bonafide Decider like your George W. Bush who set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television. and when he did peek from behind Cheney's pant legs he delivered speeches like a nervous 5th-grader. yea that guy .... sheesh. more monday morning lameness from the Usual Suspects. yo Verbal, hang in there dude..... jimy_max
Gallup this morning, Obama approval - 47%; Obama disapproval, 46%. WOW. tom - wilmington, de
Still, agreed. It will be easier said than done to convince Afghans we will be leaving. However, this same strategy worked in Iraq, so hopefully it will work in Afghanistan. tom - wilmington, de
tom - wilmington: go tell that to the Afghanis. but 1st learn the language and then speak very slowly .... but seriously, when any country invades your sovereignty, you will regard them as invaders, occupiers. Period. End of story. you cannot win the hearts and minds of a foreign people if you start by invading their country. just imagine if a foreign country interceded here ... i'm sure the initial reaction will be "goody. they are from the Government of any-of-the-Stans, and they are here to help us." famous last words. call it what it is . moving on .... "I believe the theory is to show the Afghans we have no desire to occupy and control either their country or their lives in the hope they take control of their own destiny." again -- really??? we've been there 8 years ... i think that qualifies as Occupying. what, the past 8 years are a complete Failure and now we have seen the light and we will do it right. really??? there is a supposition here that Iraq = Afghanistan. that's a BIG flaw. jimy_max
jimy_max, I agree with you. And frankly, I don't believe we'll pull out in the specified time, either. This will be a quagmire paid for by more extended credit, and more importantly, the lives of young Americans. I just think it's a waste. NigeltheMastiff
Tom - Do you think George Bush's mishandling of Iraq and Afghanistan makes any choice by Obama poor ???? FormerGOPer
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