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Tuesday, July 15, 2008

 

I don't buy the notion, advanced by the McCain campaign, that Barack Obama has been flip-flopping on Iraq, that he has been cutting and running from his long-held antiwar convictions. And I will shortly demonstrate how he has remained broadly consistent. Having said that, however, there's no doubt that Obama is currently doing some nuancing.

Indeed, the facts on the ground in Iraq require that he do so. Domestic political realities also require that he do so.

For instance, there has been a noteworthy change on Obama's official website. Whereas, as recently as 12 days ago, the text stated that "Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq," there is no explicit mention anymore of immediacy. The language has been tweaked; a shift in emphasis has occurred.

The old language, as excerpted above, signaled that Obama's 16-month withdrawal clock would start the moment he took office. The new language, by contrast, provides a little more wiggle room: "The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely deploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010..."

In other words, the new passage suggests that, while it would be desirable to pull out the troops on a 16-month timetable that begins on Day One of an Obama administration, the withdrawal clock might not actually start until there is general agreement among the "commanders on the ground," the "military experts" and "the Iraqi government." (It's also worth mentioning that the newly-revised website is not nearly as critical of the troop surge as it was previously. The new language cites an "improved security situation.")

It can certainly be argued that Obama's old language was aimed at the liberal Democratic base, which he needed to win the nomination; and that his new language is aimed at the centrist swing electorate that he needs to win in November. He needs to reassure those swing voters that he would not yank the U.S. out of Iraq in a precipitous fashion, irrespective of ground conditions; in fact, a new national poll reports that only 50 percent of Americans are comfortable with his 16-month timetable stance - a remarkably small percentage, given the ongoing landslide sentiment that the war itself was a mistake.

One can easily recognize this fundamental challenge to Obama's political skills. He has to stick with his basic call for a 16-month timetable (in order to secure his liberal flank), yet, at the same time, signal enough wiggle for the swings.

He sought to do both in his Iraq speech earlier today: "I will give our military a new mission on my first day in office, ending this war. Let me be clear: we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010...After this redeployment, we'll keep a residual force to perform specific missions in Iraq: targeting any remnants of al Qaeda; protecting our service members and diplomats; and training and supporting Iraq's Security Forces, so long as the Iraqis make political progress. We will make tactical adjustments as we implement this strategy - that is what any responsible Commander-in-Chief must do. As I have consistently said, I will consult with commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government."

Again, while stating a strict 16-month timetable as a goal, he adds the caveat that any "responsible" president might need to make "tactical adjustments" along the way.

Does all this constitute a flip-flop? A lurch to the center, at the expense of previous left-leaning convictions?

Hardly. There are shifts in emphases, absolutely. But most striking is that what Obama said today, in his Washington speech, and what he said yesterday, in a New York Times op-ed column, remains broadly consistent with what he has been saying over the past several years.

Consider this speech, in November 2006: "I am not suggesting this timetable be overly rigid....The redeployment could be temporarily suspended if the parties in Iraq...offer us a clear and compelling rationale for maintaining troop levels."

Or these remarks, at a Democratic debate last September, when asked whether all troops should be pulled out, or whether some might need to stay: "I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there. I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians and making sure that we're carrying out counterterrorism activities."

Meanwhile, consider what Obama said today about how the money and manpower drain in Iraq is hurting our fight against the terrorists where it counts most, in Afghanistan and Pakistan: "The Taliban controls parts of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda has an expanding base in Pakistan that is probably no farther from their old Afghan sanctuary than a train ride from Washington to Philadelphia. If another attack on our homeland comes, it will likely come from the same region where 9/11 was planned. And yet today, we have five times more troops in Iraq than Afghanistan. Senator McCain said - just months ago - that 'Afghanistan is not in trouble because of our diversion to Iraq.' I could not disagree more....we lack the resources to finish the job because of our commitment to Iraq. That's what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said earlier this month. And that's why, as President, I will make the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be."

And that's precisely what Obama said in a Democratic debate five months ago: "It's important for us not to be held hostage by the Iraqi government in a policy that has not made us more safe, that's distracting us from Afghanistan...I think we have to have more troops there...(The Bush war planners) are hampered now in doing what we need to do in Afghanistan in part because of what's happened in Iraq."

It's true that most Americans now cite the economy, not Iraq, as the top issue of 2008. It's also true that Obama, and Democrats in general, are viewed far more favorably than McCain and the Republicans as potential economic stewards. But it's nevertheless doubtful that Obama can win this election unless he passes the commander-in-chief test - by managing to hold his base on the war and reassure the center, all while parrying the GOP's predictable weakness/flip-flop attacks. His speech today was a recognition of this reality. 

Posted by Dick Polman @ 1:28 PM  Permalink | 89 comments
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Posted 02:39 PM, 07/16/2008
bon
BOHICA: That soun ds fair to me too. I am all for granting all the benefits we can realistically afford. I just want there to be some incentive to re-up. (Republicans added an amendment to the bill to make the benefits transferable, in the end. Despite all of the weird demagoguery from Obama and his supporters, a compromised was reached fairly easily.)
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Posted 10:42 AM, 07/16/2008
bon
I posted this in Will's blog too, but it warrants a second one. The Liberal Washington Post takes Obama's Iraq speech to the cleaners: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/15/AR2008071502531_pf.html
Posted 10:39 AM, 07/16/2008
bon
Djoko Pritza: *sigh* If you are not more civil I am just going to stop responding to your posts. ----- I discuss your simplistic take on the GI bill debate above. As to your Iraq comments, I am simply not sure how to respond. Is it your position that, since you disagree with the decision to invade Iraq, that we should leave the country in chaos? "Victory" in Iraq will be leaving behind a stable, democratic ally in the war on terror. If we do not achieve victory the Iraqi people will suffer greatly. It is the height of cynicism that Obama touted his compassion for the Afghani people in yesterday's speech while in the same breath dismissed the welfare of the Iraqi people as irrelevant. The Iraqi people are our allies. The Iraqi government is our ally. It is our obligation to help them. Your opposition to the war is not an excuse for taking your ball and going home... not when the consequences of such childishness is genocide and victory for anti-American militants around the globe.
Posted 10:26 AM, 07/16/2008
bon
yobill626: McCain's GI bill included transferability. (I do not know if you know any military families, but transferability is considered the holy grail to many of them.) You should read up a bit more on the debate. There was nothing disgraceful about it. McCain wanted a sliding scale to encourage people to reenlist, and Webb did not. That is an honest debate that does not really warrant such demagoguery.
Posted 10:22 AM, 07/16/2008
bon
Talvenada: Sorry... I am not sure I understand your post. Of course there is a price too high in theory. A couple more years of dwindling violence to achieve a stable, democratic Iraq is not a price too high, though. (I am not sure what you are trying to say about "justified war." Is deposing a anti-American, genocidal dictator "unjustified"?)
Posted 09:41 AM, 07/16/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Oh, and just out of curiousity, Obama said he wanted to double foreign aid (cost $25 Billion), he wants to spend $15 Billion a year for alternative energy, he wants to send $1 Billion a year to Afghanistan in non-military aid, he wants to send $2 billion a year to either Iraq or Pakistan (I forget which), he wants to pay for health care for all Americans, he wants to provide more funding for education and faith based initiatives, he has several other spending programs, he wants a $1,000 tax credit for working families to offset the price of gasoline/heating oil....yet where is he getting all this money without raising taxes on the middle class or those making less than $250K? He is also going to increase the size of our military by 65,000 ARMY and 25,000 Marines....how....bring back the draft? So many ideas, so little details, and so few questions from the media. This guy is an empty suit who either lied to get the nomination or is lying to us now.
Posted 09:40 AM, 07/16/2008
jjfalcon35
So Barack Hussein has a plan all figured out for Iraq and Afghanistan even before seeing anything on the ground. He wants to be Commander in Chief and has not been there in a couple of years. He has the power to hold hearings in the senate to get NATO more involved in Afghanistan but he did not. Careless, incompetent. He says we have to surrender from the verge of victory in Iraq so we can succeed in Afghanistan. For the Yes we can candidate this sounds pretty defeatist. We Americans can do anything we put our minds to do . That was the Reagan message. Obama is no Reagan. He is just another blame America first, let the world dictate what we do, liberal and he will be widely exposed as such in the next few months when Americans focus
Posted 09:32 AM, 07/16/2008
tom - wilmington, de
yobill, you are least are coherent, on point, and surprisingly objective. You deserve some props.
Posted 09:31 AM, 07/16/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Funny how for years I was called a Bush apologist, and now all the Obama backers are out en masse to spin his constant flip flops. McCain flip flops, Obama recalibrates his position. Republicans flip flop, Obama is nuanced. What a joke. With posts like Djoko, who never supports what Obama says but instead just attacks those who disagree, to Talvaneda, who has yet to have a coherent post that is on point, all we get is spin. Obama even said those who think he changed his positions have not been listening!!! Maybe he should go back and read the transcripts from his previous speeches and debates. From "the surge will lead to more violence and be a catastrophe" to "the surge has worked", we have spin and more spin. Wouldn't it be great if he came out and said "You know, I was wrong about the surge and about General Patreaus. Iraq is more stable, and my idea about leaving in 2006 would have been the wrong move". Instead we get "Yes, the surge has worked, but we should never have been in Iraq and now we are losing in Afghanistan". That is what Gramm meant by whining, never saying anything good about this country, only pointing out the negative. Just like a wife who is never satisfied with what you've done, just wants to know what you are going to do next and why it took so long. That is why liberals lose elections, they never extol the virtues of America, just its flaws.
Posted 02:46 AM, 07/16/2008
yobill626
Djoko Pritza: Agreed, but I think a very underrated reason for a drop in violence in Iraq is that were PAYING OFF THESE GUYS NOT TO FIGHT. I'm still amazed that Bush & McCain (to a lesser degree) have kept their reps for supporting the troops, when there are all too many examples of their screwing them over. Their being against Webb's GI bill was absolutely disgraceful.
Posted 12:54 AM, 07/16/2008
Talvenada
Djoko Pritza, I pointed out to BON that we've NEVER lost a justified war, but he probably feels America doesn't need to justify anything. That's for ALL the other countries, who like The UN are here for OUR benefit.
Posted 12:00 AM, 07/16/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, bon, save the nice-guy stuff. I’m more comfortable with whackos like BOHICA, jwad, jmc and CKA in Red. Early on, I mistook your reasonable discussion for reasonableness. That, alas, is not the case. You are highly partisan. So let’s not misunderstand each other. “Succeeding in Iraq,” as you say, is such a joke. We went to war under false pretenses. Thousands of our young men and women have been killed and maimed. Millions of innocent Iraqis have been killed and maimed. Private contractors have gotten rich. We’re so desperate for troops that McCain and Bush opposed a plan to give a more generous GI bill to them for fear they’d take advantage of it and make it tougher to surge. Adding more troops to Iraq has cut the violence. Duh! But that is hardly success in Iraq. Now McCain is proposing three more brigades for Afghanistan while balancing the budget by the end of his first term while continuing occupation indefinitely in Iraq (55 bases?). But just a couple of months ago, he was saying that Afghanistan wasn’t being affected by our commitment to Iraq, where I guess he’s gonna get the three brigades (those poor suckers!). Man, this guy is nuts. Anyone supporting him is a danger to our country. It’s not personal.
Posted 11:33 PM, 07/15/2008
Talvenada
BON, What no correction to my post?
Posted 11:30 PM, 07/15/2008
bigfoot tinmouth
It seems to be accepted wisdom now among Democrat Party operatives and news reporters that a candidate should say one thing during the primary to rally the party activists, "the base", and then say something different to general election voters. It's touted as smart politics. To the contrary however, I submit that such a strategy is being two-faced. It is known as talking out of both sides of your mouth. The question remains: to whom is the candidate lying, the base or the general electorate? Additional question: Does he think we are stupid?
Posted 11:18 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
Djoko Pritza: I am not calling you classless. Attacking a world leader for their age is a classless thing to do, though. ----- Obama can put the word "responsible" in front of his Iraq plan all he wants. That does not make the plan responsible. His plan from 2006 would have had us out of Iraq today. If we had no troops in Iraq today it would be a catastrophe. We would have witnessed genocide and both Sunni extremists and Iran would be emboldened and expanding. As is, the surge has crippled AQI and has dealt a series of humiliating defeats to Iranian backed militias in Iraq. Instead of genocide and emboldened enemies we have a more stable Iraq and enemies on the run. Obama would have brought about the former, McCain called for the strategy that brought about the latter. ----- Obama has called for adding some more troops and resources to Afghanistan. That is a fine idea, but simply piling on more troops and resources is not, in and of itself, a plan of action. McCain is calling for a new strategy in Afghanistan. It is the same strategy that is succeeding in Iraq. (The name calling notwithstanding, it is nice to have a real back and forth with you. Thank you.)
Posted 11:07 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
mcnuckel: We have reduced a number of troops in a number of areas. Violence has not increased in those areas. The idea is to tamp down violence long enough for Iraq to take over. It is working quite well. (Who said 6 months? I do not recall any surge proponents saying that.)
Posted 10:25 PM, 07/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, CKA in Red, what planet are you visiting from?
Posted 10:16 PM, 07/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, bon-arama, I’m a classless guy, what can I say. I love my country to the point I worry that a doddering old fool will mess it up worse than the Bushies have already. And you say you’re not a gotcha guy, but your posts are gotcha all the way. As an example, you said: “If Obama was in charge in late 2006 we would have left the country and watched it fall into chaos.” In fact he has said all along he would preside over a responsible withdrawal. I also love the fact that the “experienced” McCain today has decided to adopt Obama's Afghan policy. So, put your spin and talking points away, bon mon, and do what’s right for the country: Support a candidate who still has his wits about him!
Posted 10:10 PM, 07/15/2008
mcnuckel
All politicians change their postions. Mccain has changed many times in the passed 12 months. It must drive publians to drink knowing that Obama will be the next POTUS.
Posted 09:56 PM, 07/15/2008
CKA in Red State USA
You may not believe that Barack Obama has flip-flopped and you may believe he's been broadly consistent, but you may be surprised come November. His head-spinning spins, embellishments and outright lies cannot be hidden by even well-written and thought-out copy as yours. Millions of us see him for the the liar he's been and now cannot hide. And given the narcissisticly driven, inexperienced tongue of his and his need to be all things to all people--which means he stands for nothing--there will be even more evidence forthcoming directly from him of his politically expedient, constantly changing positions. And as for him as commander-in-chief of the U.S.? Please. Maybe South Side Chicago.
Posted 09:36 PM, 07/15/2008
Talvenada
BON, The US has NEVER lost a justified war? Yeah, I know there is no price worth not paying for VICTORY !!
Posted 09:28 PM, 07/15/2008
mcnuckel
The people who claim the surge is working is nonsence. If you all recall, the so called "surge" was suppose to be temparary, six months at the most. Here we are going on two years since it began and we still have no idea when it will end. If we reduced the surge troops don't you think that the violence would increase? It's all a facade.
Posted 08:39 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
Djoko Pritza: I am not a proponent of gotcha politics. Obama and McCain both fumble their words on occasion. If you think McCain really is unaware of the dissolution of Czechoslovakia does that mean you think Obama truly believes there are 57 states or that there is a president of Canada? Of course not. People who talk all day misspeak sometimes. (And taking a shot at McCain's age is a classless thing to do. I will leave that there.)
Posted 08:33 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
JeffA: One more thing. America has permanent military bases in South Korea and Japan. Neither one of those nations has a standing military to speak of, and both face threats from hostile neighbors. Would you consider Japan and South Korea to be as weak as you are asserting Iraq to be? Of course not. They are our allies and they rely on us for protection, but they often disagree with us in very public ways. (South Korea spoke out very strongly against the invasion of Iraq, for example.) I do not think you give the Iraqis enough credit. They face death on an every day basis and many current Iraqi leaders were political prisoners under Saddam's regime. I doubt political pressure from the US intimidates them all that much.
Posted 08:31 PM, 07/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, bon-meister, you alibied McCain for failing to recall his votes on birth-control insurance as one of thousands of votes millions of years ago. Now, he seems unaware that Czechoslovakia no longer exists – and hasn’t for 15 years. Can’t be a memory thing? Or can it?
Posted 08:26 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
JeffA: The Iraqi's have been asserting themselves against our will for months now. They are being very firm in negotiations of permanent bases and the like. That is a good thing. We do not want a puppet government in Iraq. We want an ally who share our interest in a stable, peaceful democratic middle east, but who also reflect the will and interests of their own people. (Others like to claim that Iraq is a puppet of Iran. This is also clearly false as the Iraqi government has been leading a strong effort to purge Iranian backed militias in their country.)
Posted 08:14 PM, 07/15/2008
interestedparty
Just a few points. The surge is simply a battle in a war that was lost years ago. Remember that the initial rational for the war was that Iraq, with its weapons of mass destruction, was an imminent threat. In retrospect there were no weapons of mass destruction and therefor the war was a failure. Over the years, attempts to repeatedly change the the rules of the game, and in a new context, call it a success, is dishonest. Even in the context of a battle in a war that was lost, the surge is hardly a conclusive success. It has certainly provided a safer environment but most of the changes it was intended to engender have not appeared and as such the jury is still out. Another point, the success of the surge to date is the result of more boots on the ground and working with enemies for a common goal. Until recently the Republicans have opposed the former and continue to discredit the latter when espoused by Obama. We will never succeed until we stop making excuses for our failures.
Posted 05:54 PM, 07/15/2008
JeffA
Bon - still waiting for the justification that they're not beholden to anyone. It just boggles the mind to think anyone would believe the Iraqi government sits there with the American military occupying their country and they're not making decisions with an eye toward how America will react. Think America doesn't have their attention and their short hairs? You can't be this naive. You bring some good comments at times, and stay above the fray, but don't defend that which is indefensible. When America is out of Iraq and has moved on to the next tiny country-big threat hot-spot to juice the defense industry and justify the taking of our Constitutional Rights here at home, then we'll talk about how Iraq is no longer beholden to America.
Posted 05:41 PM, 07/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, smithy, sanity is not an issue. The country already elected Bush twice. Case closed
Posted 05:36 PM, 07/15/2008
chrissmith
Obama has no real experience, no real accomplishments, and no real credentials to be president. And we're about to elect this man to be president? I think the U.S. is losing it's sanity.
Posted 05:19 PM, 07/15/2008
anotherview
This article supports what Obama does. Where the winds blow he goes. So tell, just what would I believe, and why now this chatter from Obama who is making command decisions before he even has information from involved parties about their take on Iraq. I subscribe to Obama is going because McCain and the veterans have called him on Iraq. Obama is chairman of a Senate oversight committee on Afghanistan and what can he show us for results of that work? 0, that's what. What Obama said in his speech was non-factual rhetoric designed to take him out of the box he put himself in. Remember Obama's Nafta, and Canada jive, where the Canadians were assured Obama was just talking political expediency? Well, we now know how true that was. This is more of the same, except now I would hope voters are a bit more savvy. McCain is right. You gather info, assess, then make a plan. Maybe if Barrack hears Bush's suggestions on listening when on his trip, he will learn something. Then he can give us ONE plan for what he will do. For me though, this is just another way to stroke an ego that needs LOTS of attention.
Posted 05:00 PM, 07/15/2008
Talvenada
TOM WILM., You're a flip-flopper. You were for Obama B4 you were against him, no? Did you MIS-SPEAK when you said you'd write a $1,000 check for Obama? Or are you a clever pol by trying to say I was for Obama B4 I realized XYZ? Now do you see how we need to continue doing the RIGHT thing?
Posted 04:59 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
JeffA: What is it that you object to, exactly? The Iraqi government has fought Sunni and Shi ite extremists alike. (Are you unaware of the recent Iraqi crackdown on Shi ite militias? It began a couple of months ago.) The Iraqi security forces, at the behest of the Iraqi government, have shed blood to keep extremists from taking over segments of the country. The Iraqi government has also, in the last year, met 15 of 18 political benchmarks while making progress on two others. Given the difficulties they face, the Iraqi government has done a pretty good job. (Third attempt to post this. Not sure why it is being so finicky.)
Posted 04:56 PM, 07/15/2008
Will.i.Am
vote obama, thats what I think, McCain is definitely the worser of the two. I dont think Obama is perfect, But I do think he will be faaaaar better than Bush , Clinton, or Mccain has or ever will be
Posted 04:48 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
evlowl: McCain has done no such thing and will do no such thing. When one of his supporters did, McCain apologized immediately, took full responsibility and disinvited the individual from his future campaign events. The attacks that have come along these lines, btw, have come from Hillary Clinton's campaign and liberal pundits who support her. (What is their to gain from thins kind of attack, anyway? The American people are not stupid. Any attacks along these lines will backfire, as they did against Hillary Clinton.)
Posted 04:38 PM, 07/15/2008
OneMansOption
The specific details (day one, 16 months, 100 years) are not what is critical here. There is a fundamental difference between the approaches of Obama and McCain. McCain believes their needs to be a stable Iraqi government in place prior to any significant US withdraw. Obama believes the Iraqi government will not stabilize itself unless forced to by a US withdraw. McCain has not said anything about how he will get the Iraqi government to be stable enough for him to "win" the war. Obama is adjusting his plan to allow a smoother transition from US to Iraqi control.
Posted 04:36 PM, 07/15/2008
JeffA
bon - how can you make this statement? with what evidence? "No government is perfect, but the Iraqi government has fought extremists on both sides and remains relatively moderate and beholden to no foreign power. (Not even us!) :)" Do you want everyone to skip your posts?
Posted 04:36 PM, 07/15/2008
CB
Sorry Evlowl, as much as you may be correct, the Obama Democrats demonized Bill to the point many of his previous supporters now dislike him.
Posted 04:35 PM, 07/15/2008
evlowl
I can't wait until McCain's camp starts pulling the "Barack Hussein Obama" card as we get closer to November (Saddam Hussein, Obama=Osama - how can we tust a guy whose name sounds like 2 of our country's biggest adversaries in history). It's all smoke and mirrors. My perfect candidate would promote torture of captured terrorists, pull the troops and take all the money we are spending in Iraq and build wind farms wherever there is open land, buy Venezuela for our current oil needs, privatize social security, give prisoners with 5 year sentences or more the option to join the military without pay, and never send another penny of aid to a foreign country again.
Posted 04:29 PM, 07/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
All you right-wing foamers are on target. I realized that as soon as I heard your main McCain explain, "I know how to win wars! I know how to win wars!" Inspires confidence.
Posted 04:28 PM, 07/15/2008
LJL
Does anyone have any idea how ludicrous the calls of "he's experienced" sound after the last 8 years of disaster? If anyone out there can add, please do yourselves a favor, and and make a list of the members of BushCo's foreign policy "advisors" over the past 8 horrible year (you know, that would be dolts like Dumsfeld, Cheney and Powell). Next to each name, add up the years in the military (except, of course for Dumsfeld, Cheney and Bushie, for those twits, use the number of years in foreign policy positions). Now, add up the total number of years "experience". Now, look at where we are. So, tell me AGAIN how important experience is. It's worked wonders the past eight years.
Posted 04:25 PM, 07/15/2008
Bush3
Obama has flip-flopped on Iraq and other issues. He just stated today he will gein pulling the troops out, when recently he said he was going to visit Iraq and speak to the commanders, then make a decision. Stop the Kool Aid guzzling, Mr Polman!
Posted 04:24 PM, 07/15/2008
jjfalcon35
HA!! Polman in denial again. His boy Obama does not know what to do with recent Iraq success. Come on Barack, be proud of America for once and wish for complete victory and the dawn of a future of freedom in the mIddle east. How great would that be. What a great American legacy. There is plenty of footage from Barack Hussein grandstanding against the surge, predicting its failure, calling for fast withdrawals in 2006. Well, Barack Hussein was wrong. Following his great "Judgment to Lead" would have led to Al Qaeda forming base in Iraq, the government collapsing, America humiliated. A rerun of Saigon circa 1975. Thats how liberals like to see America: humbled. Well they are not getting away with it this time. Thank God for that. The new strategy worked and we need to seize this opportunity and take the most advantage of it in a way that is best for Americas interests.
Posted 04:23 PM, 07/15/2008
aop_goodtimes
Nuance? Oh brother! The left and their love of euphemisms. Here's one the describes their grasp of the war on terror: mentally challenged.
Posted 04:21 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
Ed_Tilton: That simply is not true. The Maliki government and the Iraqi security forces have spent the last two months fighting and defeating Iranian backed militias. No government is perfect, but the Iraqi government has fought extremists on both sides and remains relatively moderate and beholden to no foreign power. (Not even us!) :)
Posted 04:18 PM, 07/15/2008
frankie
Wizard -- i think you need to, uh, brush up on proper grammer and spelling.
Posted 04:16 PM, 07/15/2008
aop_goodtimes
Obama speak in fork tongue. White man no trust him.
Posted 04:15 PM, 07/15/2008
evlowl
Wizard of Mars put it bluntly, but truthfully, both candidates lack what this country needs to get back on track. Bush has done so much damage to this country that any candidate worth voting for doesn't want to run. It also feels like all the other countries in the world look at the US like we are a fawn straying from their mother, waiting for the right moment to pounce. We don't control the oil, we import more than we export and we have 2 wars going on, with a third waiting in the wings (Iran). Ford, GM, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac - companies that sue to be financial fortresses are crumbling like a house of cards. Who in their right mind want to even try to fix this mess? The citizens of this country need to start thinking about voting 3rd party. Will a 3rd party candidate make it into the office of the President. Not in the next 12 years, but a message can be sent if a 3rd party candidate can get 15% of the vote. Both of the current candidates are puppets. Obama says whatever the Dems tell him to say. McCain is over 70, and binrgs an over 70 mindset with him. We need a candidate that can repair foreign elations, get us back in the "black" and end these wars and start rebuilding the financial, education, technical and manufacturing systems of our country - We need Bill Clinton : )
Posted 04:13 PM, 07/15/2008
Ed_Tilton
The Maliki Government and Army are run by the Badr Brigade, which has closer ties to Iran than Sadr. The more we help them, the more we help Iran. Victory Parade next Wednesday out by Friday.
Posted 04:11 PM, 07/15/2008
LJL
"It's all very simple. We are winning in Iraq...".....Um, winning WHAT, exactly? Iraq didn't attack us, we're losing Afghanistan, where the Talliban and Al Qaeda (who did attack us) are resurgent and winning the day there. Gas is $4.50 a gallon. 4,000 americans are dead. And it all only cost us 700 billion dollars to accomplish. So that's winning? Tell me, please, exactly what you think we are winning. I am intrigued.
Posted 04:02 PM, 07/15/2008
dannyrogers
yup, check this out as well: http://novasportspicks.com/DannyRogersblog/2008/07/reebok_allamerican_camp_all_st.html#comments
Posted 03:57 PM, 07/15/2008
Dave
Bottom line is McCain has a better plan. Obama is not going to be able to fool our military commanders like he has fooled half of this country. Obama, of all people, should know that we made the mistake once of drawing down troops because we thought the situation was under control. McCain has the right mentality about the war situation; a realistic one; you stay until the job is finished. Its like anything else in life: Better to have and not need than need and not have.
Posted 03:56 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
Interesting note from Obama's speech: He said today that "The Afghan people must know that our commitment to their future is enduring, because the security of Afghanistan and the United States is shared." ----- How can this be taken seriously when he is advocating the outright abandonment of our allies in Iraq? Where is the commitment to their future? Where is the concern for their security? The people of Iraq deserve our help just as much as the people of Afghanistan, and by pitting their interests against each other Obama does both populations a serious disservice.
Posted 03:52 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
franknstein: I think you are making a serious mistake pushing one against the other. Iraq is a central power in the middle east. Having Iraq as a democratic ally in the war on terror, in the heart of the middle east, will be a great victory for the war on terror. Afghanistan is also very important. We need to win both wars and we can win both wars. ----- Zues: Troops were not taken from Afghanistan and placed in Iraq. The biggest problem with our effort in Afghanistan right now is that many of our supposed allies refuse to fight alongside us. (This is the trouble with NATO.) Once we win in Iraq we will have enough troops to spare to increase forces in Afghanistan and try our hand at a counter-insurgency strategy heir as well. Iraq is not a burden to our efforts in Afghanistan. The last two years in Iraq are the template to be followed to achieve success in Afghanistan.
Posted 03:50 PM, 07/15/2008
sillybilly
Covering for Obama is a full time job for media. Quite entertaining too.
Posted 03:50 PM, 07/15/2008
Chad C
Yeah, he's changed his mind. He not only wants to tax me more, he wants my entire paycheck.
Posted 03:50 PM, 07/15/2008
Chad C
Yeah, he's changed his mind. He not only wants to tax me more, he wants my entire paycheck.
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Posted 03:47 PM, 07/15/2008
MiddleNameHussein
And as for all the confusion about Obama's "16 month timetable" vs. "ending the war in 2009"... well, the Obamassiah says there are 57 states, so maybe he thinks there are 16 months in a year?
Posted 03:45 PM, 07/15/2008
MiddleNameHussein
Count how many times you see the typical Democrat "well they all do it" defense in these comments. The pattern is deny, blame Bush, then when those things don't work, say "well they all do it". LOL
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Posted 03:42 PM, 07/15/2008
sheila
Change of thoughts are not a bad thing they show that you have the ability to evaluate a situation as it changes. Bush is so single minded he has caused a disaster in this country. Thank you I'll take someone with the intelligence to think.
Posted 03:40 PM, 07/15/2008
Ryan
why the hell do americans want a candidate for president that never takes the facts of the reality into consideration and changes his opinion? i cannot fathom why we consider that a bad thing. i think it is a product of the 24/7 news media driven mentality of trying to create false controversies.
Posted 03:33 PM, 07/15/2008
Jack Klompus
Questioning the sincerity of the positions taken by a politician makes someone a "spin puppet?"
Posted 03:28 PM, 07/15/2008
ClarkU
We're winning in Iraq??? We've "won" $4.50/gal gas, that's what "we" won...
Posted 03:25 PM, 07/15/2008
Djoko Pritza
Oh, my God, the McCain spin and talking-point forces were poised to pounce as soon as Obama spoke. Herrrrreeeeeee’s Tom: “I also find it amazing that he would lay out a plan for Iraq in consultation with commanders on the ground PRIOR to even meeting with them to assess the situation.” That was speculated to be McCain’s talking point even before he himself spoke. Then comes jwad, who has trouble distinguishing between a few months and 100 years. Then, bon, Mr. Sincerity, gives us a definition of victory” “meaning that we leave behind stable, democratic allies in the war against terror.” bon, is that your definition or the campaign’s? Then the Voice of Reason, sounding anything but reasonable. If I were to channel bon, I’d ask, “why so hostile, Voicie?” Then, Klompus, from out of nowhere, wants to know if Bush hatred is “enough to carry Obama into the White House?” No, but it’s a good place to start. And of course the predictable jmc talking total nonsense as usual, but probably feeling pretty proud of his own stones. So, Obama speaks, and the spin puppets, tom, bon, jmc and jwad, swing into action. You guys get paid by response time or by the word?
Posted 03:24 PM, 07/15/2008
go
I liked the articles about cheesesteaks better.
Posted 03:23 PM, 07/15/2008
go
Move Obama to Delaware Avenue!
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Posted 03:12 PM, 07/15/2008
Phrossty
Speaking of winning and losing in Iraq...

Just wondering how many wmd's have been recovered for the 3,000 lives lost...?

"To arms! Two arms!? Hooray! That's great! Unless there's a crate... to ship the parts home to mama in..." FZ
Posted 03:11 PM, 07/15/2008
Zues
If you surge experts look at how our casulaties are doing in the month of June and July you would know that Obama is right. Casualties are now the highest they have ever been in Afghanastan. Take troops from there and surge them into iraq all you want, soldiers are dying more now than ever before, its just in a different place. Way to go Bush and co.
Posted 03:09 PM, 07/15/2008
wildebill
No
Posted 03:07 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
bernadette: If Obama was in charge in late 2006 we would have left the country and watched it fall into chaos. Instead we and the Iraqis have achieved a great deal of success over this last year and a half and we may yet leave behind a stable, democratic ally. That is important. Obama's position was for giving up on Iraq in 2006, and it remains the same today. We cannot afford to do that. We cannot throw away the progress we have made under Petraeus. Instead we must take advantage of it. If we do, we will leave Iraq victorious, and we can redeploy to Afghanistan safely, to face down the next challenge.
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Posted 03:02 PM, 07/15/2008
frankie
wake up! they are politicians and will "flip flop" anytime, anywhere to get votes. Reps and Dems alike. This is a scary election -- both candidates are flawed. We live in dangerous times.
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Posted 02:59 PM, 07/15/2008
jmc
It's all very simple. We are winning in Iraq, and the smug, self-righteous certainty of Obama and the left has been proven wrong. You can't win the Presidency spouting the looney left talking points on Iraq, which now have even less connection to reality than they did before. What you call nuancing is just Obama being totally wrong about Iraq but not having the stones to admit it.
Posted 02:56 PM, 07/15/2008
Scholes
davegas, if he said that from the beginning, Hillary would be the nominee, duh. Relax everyone, he's a pragmatist. It was pragmatic to be strongly anti-war in the primaries, but it's not any more, so he's tacking back to a responsible policy in time for the general election, AND he's doing it slowly enough that cheerleaders like Polman can (almost) plausibly claim that he's just refining his position. Nice touch on barack's part to have Google empty the page cache; looking like another administration that's happy to share info with us plebs.
Posted 02:53 PM, 07/15/2008
Jack Klompus
Obama saying that he always knew the surge would be successful is an out and out lie. He is on record emphatically declaring not only would the surge not work but that it would make matters worse.
Posted 02:50 PM, 07/15/2008
Rich LeBlanc
Yes.
Posted 02:50 PM, 07/15/2008
Politburo
No transcript yet.. but I have a hard time believing that Obama said anything like "he always knew the surge would be successful", especially since just yesterday his op-ed said "the same factors that led me to oppose the surge still hold true". Sounds like more mis-information from the usual suspects.
Posted 02:48 PM, 07/15/2008
Jack Klompus
Excellent posts here (tom, jwad, bon, et. al.) that raise important questions. I wonder if these sober considerations about extremely important foreign policy concerns will do anything to change the minds of the people who have latched onto Obama-mania full throttle. "I was against the war from the beginning!" is not a viable agenda and now FINALLY questions are being asked about the feasibility of the oft-repeated "16 months" mantra. Is the fervor of "I hate Bush I hate Republicans" enough to carry Obama into the White House?
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Posted 02:40 PM, 07/15/2008
bernadette
I don't see a flip-flop. If he didn't allow for some room to take into considerations current conditions, that would be foolish (remember, Bush never allowed room - it was his way or the highway and see where that got us). And with McCain v. Obama - McCain's 'experience' has meant nothing - he doesn't know the difference between sunni and shia, doesn't know the correct name of the Czech Republic, voted for the war, and didn't acknowledge the need to address Afghanistan and Pakistan, something Obama has been saying for over a yr and a half. Obama is smart to see the big picture and we need big-minded leaders. We have had small-minded ones for too long. Obama doesn't want to 'lose' in Iraq and has said that he would act so as not to, but he also does feel we need to concentrate where our biggest dangers are - Afghanistan/Pakistan and the taliban and AlQuada. We have only so many troops, weaponry, and money and we need to be smart how we spend it. Obama is; McCain is out of touch.
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Posted 02:25 PM, 07/15/2008
bon
Obama has turned to pitting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq against each other, but that is a serious mistake. The question is not: "which war is more important." They are both important. The question between Obama and McCain, now, is: "can we win both?" Obama says we must give up on Iraq to win in Afghanistan. McCain says we can win both ("win" meaning that we leave behind stable, democratic allies in the war against terror). Now, two years ago Obama predicted that we could not win in Iraq. Obama predicted that the surge would make violence worse and that the Iraqi government would never make any progress. McCain predicted just the opposite. Obama was wrong and McCain was right. The success of the surge has granted McCain added credibility on this issue, and Obama's opposition to the surge has eviscerated his own. With this added credibility, McCain should be able to win this argument.
Posted 02:18 PM, 07/15/2008
jwad56
--In other words, the new passage suggests that, while it would be desirable to pull out the troops on a 16-month timetable that begins on Day One of an Obama administration, the withdrawal clock might not actually start until there is general agreement among the "commanders on the ground," the "military experts" and "the Iraqi government."-- And what if the Iraqi government doesn't agree or the military commanders don't agree? How long then is he prepared to stay? A hundred years?
Posted 01:48 PM, 07/15/2008
tom - wilmington, de
This was posted on "The Nation" by Tom Hayden after Obama won the Texas primary: "In his victory speech in Texas Tuesday, Barack Obama promised to end the Iraq war in 2009....". He has also been shown several times in speeches saying he would end the war in 2009. Now, how does that reconcile with his 16 month timetable and his new plan to consult with commanders on the ground, which he never before mentioned. Also, in January, 2007, he stated the surge would never work, and in his speech today he said he always knew the surge would be successful. So, is that a flip flop? I also find it amazing that he would lay out a plan for Iraq in consultation with commanders on the ground PRIOR to even meeting with them to assess the situation. Finally, what allies are alienated? France elected a pro-America conservative, as did Germany. In Italy, Berlusconi was re-elected after being out of office for a scant two years. So who exactly has been alienated?
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