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Wednesday, April 15, 2009

 

 

Strictly from a legal standpoint, the Republican party's desperate attempt to keep Al Franken out of the U.S. Senate, and thus deny the Democrats their 59th seat, appears to be virtually doomed. After being thrashed earlier this week in a Minnesota court ruling, Republican incumbent Norm Coleman's victory odds, via the judicial route, are now roughly akin to the odds of Lindsay Lohan entering a nunnery.

At some point, the Republicans may have to face the music and admit that it's a waste of time to keep wasting money. But Coleman and the GOP aren't there yet; they will first need to hit bottom. Actually, their persistence is understandable; it's not as if the Republicans have much else going for them these days. (Indeed, today they are focused on the faux grassroots "tea party" "movement," bankrolled in part by corporate lobbyists, which purports to protest high government taxes...at a time when 95 percent of Americans are getting tax cuts). So, given the paucity of credible GOP projects, why not just keep waging a scorched-earth legal battle despite the ever-lengthening odds?

At this point - Minnesota has now gone more than 100 days without two senators - it's not a matter of whether Franken will become the 59th Democratic senator; rather, it's apperars to be only a matter of when. To appreciate why this is so, let's play out the judicial process, starting with the strongly-worded smackdown of the GOP that was handed down late Monday.

Coleman lost a statewide hand recount that was supervised by a bipartisan canvassing board. He then lost a seven-week trial that was supervised by a bipartisan three-judge panel. He basically claimed during the trial that the tallying of absentee ballots was unfair and erroneous; that Minnesota election officials violated the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause by using a variety of standards to accept and reject those absentee ballots. To buttress his case, he cited that famous 2000 case, Bush v. Gore. (You knew that one was coming.) But the three judges, in their Monday ruling, blew Coleman out of the water on all counts.

The judges wrote that Coleman had produced "no evidence of a systemic problem of (voter) disenfranchisement in the state's election system," that Coleman had failed to provide any "allegation or evidence of fraud or foul play." The judges had allowed the counting of several hundred more absentee ballots (after which Coleman was even further behind), but ruled that Coleman's attempt to introduce thousands of illegal absentee ballots would have violated state election law. And in conclusion, the three judges minced no words:

"The overwhelming weight of the evidence indicates that the Nov. 4, 2008 election was conducted fairly, impartially, and accurately." They ruled that Franken "received the highest number of votes legally cast" and "is therefore entitled to receive the (state) certificate of election."

Prominent election-law experts have already suggested that Coleman pack it in. Richard Hasen, a Loyola Law School professor and election-law blogger, characterizes the Minnesota ruling's "findings of fact and conclusions of law" as "reasonable and conservative...the kind of opinion that is unlikely to be disturbed on appeal by either the Minnesota Supreme Court or the U.S. Supreme Court."

But his assessment seems tame, when matched against the verdict of Guy-Uriel Charles, an election-law expert at the University of Minnesota Law School: "Unfortunately for Coleman, his (legal) prospects always depended upon a miracle...A good lawyer should know when further litigation is fruitless, and a good politician should abide by the same guiding principle."

Charles' argument was seconded yesterday by a Republican strategist who dished to a Capitol Hill newspaper: "(Coleman) is cooked. At this point, continuing to carry on only damages his brand for future bids for office.” And a new survey, conducted by Public Policy Polling, reports that 63 percent of Minnesotans (and 61 percent of swing-voting independents) want Coleman to give it up.

Coleman's prospects for a court victory appear fruitless in part because appeals courts rarely agree to hear election-law cases, much less overturn the lower court rulings. Appeals judges tend to overturn only when there are egregious constitutional issues (such as racism) or flagrant partisan biases. There were no such biases in the Franken-Coleman election dispute.

The three-judge panel, which ruled against Coleman unanimously, is comprised of one Democratic appointee, one Republican appointee, and one Independent appointee. The state canvassing board that supervised the statewide hand recount was comprised of two Republican appointees, one Democratic appointee, one Independent appointee, and one member who had been elected in a non-partisan election....in other words, in the fairness tradition of "Minnesota nice."

So, for starters, it's hard to imagine the Minnesota Supreme Court overturning the three-judge decision. Coleman is appealing anyway, but here's a further complication for him: Two of the Republican high court appointees will not be participating. They've recused themselves - because they were the two Republicans who helped supervise the statewide hand recount. Which Franken won.

So let's assume (wisely, in all probability) that the Minnesota Supremes, in the next month or so, deal Coleman yet another defeat. He's still threatening to take his case directly to the U.S. Supreme Court, hoping that the equal-protection argument from Bush v. Gore will help him prompt the federal Supremes to invalidate the state voting procedures.

But here's his problem: Ever since the highest court dragged George W. Bush across the finish line on Dec. 12, 2000, it has never once applied Bush v. Gore to any other case. That's because the Bush case dealt with very specific circumstances - varying standards that determine the validity of punch-card ballots - and, more importantly, that's because the judges themselves don't want to apply Bush v. Gore to any other case.

When ruling for Bush, they said so themselves: "Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances..."

You know how the Republicans always claim they want "strict constructionist" judges who will respect precedent and hew to the literal meaning of words? Well, the literal meaning of Bush v. Gore is that it can't be applied to any other cases:

Our. consideration. is. limited. to. the. present. circumstances.

Which is why the federal Supremes haven't applied Bush v. Gore to any other circumstances. It is Coleman who would be seeking a broad and liberal interpretation, in violation of alleged Republican principles, thus exposing the hypocrisy of his last-ditch mission. And even if he goes this route - or takes the even more extreme option of filing a whole new lawsuit in the lower federal courts - it's highly likely that the Minnesota Supreme Court will have already instructed the governor to sign Franken's victory certificate.

Bottom line: Coleman is a well-done sirloin awaiting the proverbial fork. If not for the financial/legal efforts of his party to delay the seemingly inevitable, he couldn't be more cooked.

 

 

Posted by Dick Polman @ 11:29 AM  Permalink | 76 comments
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Posted 05:54 PM, 04/16/2009
marty
I don't bother reading the comments here any more, having concluded the few valuable tidbits offered in counterpoint (and there are some) aren't worth my reading through the dozens of trash posts by idiots like CD75 or LJL to try to find. But I just thought I'd throw this one comment out for those of you who get a kick out of reading them (based on past experience, I know no one else will have said anything like this): Speaking as one who is left of center, I think Mr. Polman is wrong about SCOTUS. "Strict constructionism" only applies when the issue is one Republicans think works in their favor to apply, and "activist judging" only applies when Republicans think it works in their favor to criticize that way. They won't use Bush v. Gore as precedent here; they'll accept Coleman's plea to consider the case; in fact, I'm certain Roberts is champing at the bit for it. The 5-vote GOP majority on SCOTUS will come up with some pro-Coleman legal justification, perhaps saying that in an election that close it is impossible to determine the winner fairly. They will thus rule in favor of Coleman, regardless of "constructionism" vs. "activism" considerations. That ruling will force a Minnesota re-vote, which will go Coleman's way because Franken won't have Obama's coattails to hang onto and the turnout will be much lower. So congratulations, Righties: Franken is the one who is toast, not Coleman, despite Mr. Polman's opinion and almost everyone else's whom I've read, Right or Left.
Posted 01:41 PM, 04/16/2009
hejira33312
cut our taxes at the federal level they raise them at the local level, everything we buy is taxed directly and indirectly many times over , the whole tax arguement is another deflection to throw people off that want only to care about the score of last nights game or what Paris Hilton did to her boyfriend. Get real people the republicans hate the little guy and only want the big corporations that pay to keep them in power to pay as little as they can and get away with polluting and shipping jobs overseas.....
Posted 01:32 PM, 04/16/2009
still_independent
swedesboromike: No, I don't have a warped view of the 1st ammendment. Righties or lefties (or anyone else) have the freedom to be rude, inconsiderate, impolite jacka**es, just as those students were. I've never understood the R's view of the following: Speaker A expresses his views. Group B vocally express their displeasure with A's views. Somehow group B is "supressing" A's right to free speach, rather than exercising their own.
Posted 01:31 PM, 04/16/2009
ModerateMarge
2008 budget deficit 1.017 trillion, 2009 projected 1.8 trillion. Please show me how that is 3x's the 2008 figure. OUR president gets it - and is doing a fine job,.
Posted 01:26 PM, 04/16/2009
hejira33312
Republicans govern through deflection du jour, Terry Schivo, Flag Burning and gay marriage , the stall tactic to maintain their status quo is their downfall and the idea that Coleman will not consede is perfect for their script. And so what that Franken was a comedian , he is also a darn good author and besides, Reagan was an Actor, so was Arnold and there are pilots and basketball players and wrestlers who have governed so whats the difference , thats hes a democrat?
Posted 01:18 PM, 04/16/2009
liberal
swede--as you point out, Bush's tax cut gave you only 3% and your local taxes went up. One of these days you middle-class businessmen who have always been staunch republicans are going to realize that the current crop of republican theorists have no concern with your interests. They're just using you, along with the social-issue conservatives, to promote their real objectives: They are only interested in keeping the rich rich--Bush got them down to only 17% in federal taxes, and congressional republican tax-writers want to make further cuts in capital gains. They have no shame. and you guys continue to be clueless about their game.
Posted 12:57 PM, 04/16/2009
jwad56
Rauol Duke it would be nice if Obama actually had a plan for all this spending. He just sent it out. His plan for health care: unknown - it's just a placeholder in the budget. new bridges? - Like the one in Ocean City that they are using the money for? - Wait that was already under construction no new jobs there. Education? Good idea let's throw more money at the problem and cut off poor kids in DC from improving themselves at the behest of unions. Make us energy dependent? There would probably have to be wind turbines offshore from Maine to Florida just to come close to replacing the energy we derive from domestic coal. As it turns out not even (or especially) the liberal elite want them off their coastlines. Obama is nothing but a lot of talk.
Posted 12:38 PM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Rauol- New Schools are built at the township level from local property taxes. Where in the world did you get this idea that the Federal government builds new schools. Certainly not in my township.
Posted 12:27 PM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Raul- Too funny- We got out of the Carter Depression and the Clinton recession. Millions of jobs were created and the prosperity was amazing. And the the Dems got control of Congress in Jan of 2007 and it went south.
Posted 12:10 PM, 04/16/2009
Rauol Duke
Swedesboro, what did we get for the Reagan/Bush/Bush deficits? Nothing, Obama is going to build new bridges, new schools, fix health care, make us more energy independent, Shut up until we go over 24 trillion. In the mean time go back to Blotto’s and have another beer.
Posted 11:43 AM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Marge- Yes please show me the math how Bush's deficits are greater than what Obama is racking up this year. Time to prove it instead of just spouting off nonsense.
Posted 11:39 AM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Marge- Appears as though Obama's unilateral action has created even more piracy as they fired at an American vessel yesterday. Perhaps a UN Resolution should have been in line.
Posted 11:32 AM, 04/16/2009
ModerateMarge
Mikie - That GOP math is not cutting it in the real world. If and when you take Bush's last budget and triple it, you are way more than what Obama is spending. He is spending more than George Bush, but HAS to - to fix the multitude of problems left from Bush's miserable presidency. What did you think about our LEADER'S LEADERSHIP during the Somolia hostage situation ???
Posted 11:18 AM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Still Independent- You have a very warped sense of the 1st Amendment. Funning thing is you be the 1st one complaigning if the tactis the leftists use on conservative speakers was extended to leftist speakers. Just look at how mad all you libs get when we give a dose of your own medicine on this blog.
Posted 11:15 AM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Margie- Hun, if was bad for Bush to run deficits then why is fine for Obama to take the Bush deficts and tripple them? How about you answer those questions. And your President hasn't even gotton to his collectivized medicine. How much more is that going to increase the deficit? And your president is doubling down in Afghanistan and increasing the military budget by billions. But hey you just save your outrage for Bush. Rather disingenious to continue criticizing Bush while your QB is trippling down on the spending of Bush.
Posted 11:09 AM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Still Independent- I don't know why you would support interupting a speech at a college campus. Students at Harvard waited patiently for the Q&A session to ask Barney Frank a few Questions. Why is it ok then to break windows, hold up banners, and jump up to the podium when a conservative is speaking? Seems to me the leftists tactics avoid debate and the free flow of questions and answers. Certainly you can see there is quite a contrast between an intelligent question from a conservative student and the tactics used by leftists to totally avoid debate.
Posted 10:56 AM, 04/16/2009
ModerateMarge
Mike - Then where the hell were you and those who think like you do when Bush was running up those deficits ???? And I find it comical that you repeat those deficit figures NOT taking into account Obama's putting alot more of gov't expenditures ON THE BOOKS where they should have been all along ! It goes back to your inability or refusal to answer these questions 1) Are you for Social Security ? 2) Repudiating national debt ? 3) Continuing Bush boondogles in Military spending ? Once these questions are answered do the math. Bush took the Clinton prosperity and wasted it. We are in hock to the Chinese - not good for our national security !!!
Posted 10:56 AM, 04/16/2009
ModerateMarge
Mike - Then where the hell were you and those who think like you do when Bush was running up those deficits ???? And I find it comical that you repeat those deficit figures NOT taking into account Obama's putting alot more of gov't expenditures ON THE BOOKS where they should have been all along ! It goes back to your inability or refusal to answer these questions 1) Are you for Social Security ? 2) Repudiating national debt ? 3) Continuing Bush boondogles in Military spending ? Once these questions are answered do the math. Bush took the Clinton prosperity and wasted it. We are in hock to the Chinese - not good for our national security !!!
Posted 10:12 AM, 04/16/2009
still_independent
swedesboromike: did what? held up banners and chanted? I'd be fine with it. The 1st ammendment doesn't extend only to the speaker. Should property ever be damaged, unintentional or otherwise? of course not. And why are they leftists? because they disagree with a race-baiting, fear mongering wack-job like Tom "cukoo" Tancredo?
Posted 10:06 AM, 04/16/2009
Franny_Hodgins
Um, some of my post got cut off, guys: Smike – I know that you strive to get something, anything, just 1 thing right every now and then, but as your abysmal track record shows, once again you’re a total failure on that front. TIME is a state-run media – LOL! Except when they’re propping up Bush/Cheney for 8 years, right? LOLOL!! I think you have FOX on the brain, as usual. Oh, and Yes – those MASSIVE “tea bagging” things – such a success! Everyone will be remember them long in to … yesterday. The Right should embarrassed and ashamed of such anti-Americanism! Those ‘events” did nothing but bolster American opinion on of the whacked-out right wing.
Posted 10:06 AM, 04/16/2009
pagoda
"And furthermore why did Stuart Smalley struggle in a state that Obama won handily?" Swedes- once again you got it all wrong. The real question is why is an incumbent in a dogfight with Stuart Smalley? They have a Republican Governor and one of the most outspoken conservative members of Congress- Michele (armed and dangerous) Bachmann. And please enough already with Acorn. A couple of silly volunteers write Mickey Mouse on a form and you and Hannity have a freak out. Don't you think that if they wanted to commit real fraud they would have written different names? Just the fact you guys keep bringing this up has only weakened your cause. Not to mention, Coleman's tantrums these past five months doesn't make me think he would easily "drub" Franken in a do-over.
Posted 10:00 AM, 04/16/2009
Franny_Hodgins
Except when they’re propping up Bush/Cheney for 8 years, right? LOLOL!! I think you have FOX on the brain, as usual. Oh, and Yes – those MASSIVE “tea bagging” things – such a success! Everyone will be remember them long in to … yesterday. The Right should embarrassed and ashamed of such anti-Americanism! Those ‘events” did nothing but bolster American opinion on of the whacked-out right wing.
Posted 09:21 AM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Still Independent- So the students didn't throw a brick but broke a window. Well in that case everthing was just great. Why is it that the left cannot wait patiently for the Q & A session? Imagine if conservative students did the same thing to Barney Frank that the leftists did to Tom Trancredo? Surely you are bright enough to see the difference. Right?
Posted 09:17 AM, 04/16/2009
swedesboromike
Fernado08- uhm. Don't the Democrats control virtually all segments of government? Did you not just raid the taxpaying public to the tune of 1.5 Trillion dollars to address every single pet project liberals have ever wanted? No one is standing in your way! You're in charge. Yet you still complain that all these issues haven't been solved yet you've controlled congress since 2006 and now have super-majorities in both houses. Perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the failure that liberalism really is.
Posted 09:10 AM, 04/16/2009
Fernando08
The republicans lost at such a cost, their principles are intact. They scorch the earth and poison the well from which we drink our freedom. They loot the public treasury and call their pr flaks to accuse the democrats of a socilist coup. We pull back from empire while our economy is on fire and haliburton's commander in chief warns of weakening resolve before the soviet threat. In the 21st capital has gone global, no competition for the free world. Its all been liberated by air craft carriers and internet currency traders, its one big market, even the Red Chinese play in Macao with foreign casino investors. But in the homeland our borders are not secure, from drugs and the lure of America the home of the free and the brave. As republicans say no, no senate seat for Franken, no unemployment relief for the rank and those filing, no recovery for New Orleans, no more living wages for Detroit assembly line workers, no more taxes for the rich, no more future for the middle class, no more truth for talk show hosts, just more laffler curves and no taxes get the government of our axis of spending what we want we decide. The salaries were thin, so they let us borrow our savings against our homes, now the houses are gone with the equity, the pensions have shrunk to a pittance, and its taxe, bad taxes that must be attacked thank god the republicans have our back.
Posted 09:07 AM, 04/16/2009
still_independent
ModerateMike: the AP did initially report the brick being thrown when it was "breaking news", but later reports changed back to "students broke a window pane".
Posted 09:05 AM, 04/16/2009
still_independent
ModerateMike: they didn't "throw bricks". Some of the students that couldn't get in were apparently banging on a window and it broke. That caused the police to shut down the event and use pepper sparay to clear out the stidents. Perhaps the wackjob Tancredo didn't help the situation when, confronted w/ a 12' banner he didn't like, reached into the crown and tried to pull it away. Oh, that's right, HE'S the only one that has a right to free speech.
Posted 08:24 AM, 04/16/2009
ModerateMike
ModerateMarge: I highly doubt the tea party movement is tractionless just because you say it is so. I think what you fail to understand is that many are fed up with government in general. We didn't agree with Bush's 500 billion dollar a year deficits and we certainly are outraged over the 1.5 trillion a year Obama deficits. The protesters were in the thousands in several cities across our nation. On another note students at Univ. of North Carolina threw bricks and disrupted a speech yesterday on in-state tuition by Rep. Tom Tancredo. Quite a difference between the flag waving Tea Party protests and the violent exremists protests the proffesors incite among their indoctrinated students. Wouldn't you say?
Posted 08:17 AM, 04/16/2009
ModerateMike
yobill626- It was unilateral action on the part of the Obama Administration. No consultation with the useless Europeans. No UN Consultation or toothless resolution. Certainly we dd not know that the pirates were going to harm the captain. And all we really did is create more piracy and more angry pirates. Perhaps we should have polled what the Pirate community thoughts were. Pirates are the lore of tales from the past. Imagine the harm we are doing to the lovable image of pirates with patches and puffy shirts.
Posted 12:08 AM, 04/16/2009
yobill626
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Rush's new stand for "the poor, black, Muslim pirate teenagers". Big Hearted Benny says they were only trying to turn themselves in, you know. I almost never agree with him, but he has shown himself to me to be so shameless that he has morphed into a favorite of mine. You have to give the man his due, he's hilarious!
Posted 11:50 PM, 04/15/2009
yobill626
Currently, Coleman has been on the short end of the stick in Minnesota since November. Despite what SMike thinks, good ol' Norm's popularity is dropping by the week. You wouldn't know that he actually got half the vote. Based on the trend of the polling, an ever increasing number Minnesotans who voted for him are getting P.O.'d that he's trying to ignore the rules of fair play. I can't imagine that Pawlenty is going to stand by him very long. How short-sighted are these guys to continue fighting for this seat after the bell has already rung, hurting your chances for other seats in the future?
Posted 10:58 PM, 04/15/2009
ModerateMarge
Mike - Before you attempt to label me - I get no benefits from the Federal Gov't. The tea movement is TRACTIONLESS unless and until all items are on the table or it will be looked at as political gimmicks. I assume this means you are admitting the decision of the failed Bush presidency about Iraq will go down as the biggest blunder in American history and a collusal waste of $$$. What tax rate do you think we should pay ???? Are you advocating ending Social Security (and do you collect ????). Are you advocating ending payment on the national debt ???? Too often the GOPers try and use pretty words to try and mislead us. Explain - and if the explanation has some meat to it the tea party will not be stopped, if it's a gimmick it will be just another election the GOP loses again. Toomey for Spector is not a good bargain for the GOP - if they further isolate moderates - they will make their party even more irrelevant.
Posted 10:33 PM, 04/15/2009
ModerateMike
Moderate Marge: I think what struck me about the Tea Party's today was that they had this chant that went " USA,USA,USA!". They were doing crazy stuff like holding American Flags and reciting the Constitution of the United States. I think most Americans are fed up with the piracy of tax payers money. It was truly an expression of American taxpaying sentiment. Now if you want to welch off the taxpaying public don't expect the rest us to put with it for very long. the numbers that hit the streets don't lie.
Posted 10:32 PM, 04/15/2009
sully64
LOL. With Obama's popularity numbers in Europe, Sarkozy would be wiser not taking him on. He's liable to be looking at a new Bastille Day.
Posted 10:32 PM, 04/15/2009
Fisher
liberal Only economic policy that 'puts dollars in actual workers' pockets', is one which which saves and invests in itself. However, taxes errode savings. The cost of education self investment is high. Therefore as a worker, one needs to start a business and save, pay taxes and learn prosper.
Posted 09:15 PM, 04/15/2009
rgreen72
Did you hear the french President bash OBAMA. You guys really need to get him in line with the new world that loves OBAMA. OBAMA is all good.
Posted 08:57 PM, 04/15/2009
Comrade Noodlehead
Comrade Liberal, Comrade Djoko and Comrade Polman: The capitalists are fighting back with their "tea parties", what are we going to do? We must stop them! We have already enlisted Homeland Security to smear them with bogus "right wing" warnings. But they can't be stopped! Comrade Liberal, please keep spreading lies and misinformation. Comrade Djorko, please keep spouting nonsense! That is how us communists will stop this uprising! All hail Marxism!
Posted 08:38 PM, 04/15/2009
sully64
Oh dear! CD appears to have no belly for a debate on the legalities at play. *sigh* And he threw down that legal gauntlet with SUCH bravado.
Posted 08:31 PM, 04/15/2009
ModerateMarge
The tea parties seem very contrived to me as a way to try and rehabilitate the obviously damaged GOP brand. It would be a whole lot more honest had the GOP spent the country's money wisely and provided desperately needed oversight over the miserable presidency of George W. Bush. After the 2 shellackings in 2006 and 2008 the GOP has morphed into the party of NO which will do nothing to win the independant's over to the GOP.
Posted 08:29 PM, 04/15/2009
swedesboromike
Liberal- real tax cuts have never been tried. Perhaps I saved 3% on federal with Bush's tax cuts but I saw my property taxes increased more than 100% since 2002. But what isn't working is the massive increases at levels of government under the Obama era. It's like saying I got an F on my math test but so did everyone else.
Posted 08:15 PM, 04/15/2009
liberal
As Phrossty points out, the trickle-down theory of economics has had a good run, and it has not only not worked, but has produced an economic meltdown. Maybe now we can work on a theory of economics that puts dollars in actual workers' pockets.
Posted 08:02 PM, 04/15/2009
johngilb
Typical Rethuglican hypocritical behavior. I personally can't wait until the author of "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" is seated in the Senate. That is when I will LMAO, Harry.
Posted 07:08 PM, 04/15/2009
Djoko Pritza
"Massive tea-party protest" -- SMike, that's pretty funny. Did you have one of those massive rallies in your back yard?
Posted 06:53 PM, 04/15/2009
swedesboromike
I think what is most astonishing is how polarizing a figure Obama has become. The massive tea party protest against confiscation of earnings and government spending is rather more than what Democrats call " right wing nuts". As Hank Williams Jr stated "you keep your change and I'll keep my guns, money, and freedom. "
Posted 06:22 PM, 04/15/2009
Phrossty
I find the "demise of the Republican party" to be over-reported. Yes, I think more right-wing extremism will doom the R's to marginalization for a time. But didn't Rove boast a "permanent Republican majority" recently? Methinks the Dems are a tad guilty of the same presumptuous pomp that almost always leads to a fall. I frequently point out the pendulum swings both ways. I do believe Dem overreaching can become problematic as our US Gov't system is designed to keep extremism at bay. I'm just not in favor of repeating the failed "tax-cuts for the wealthy and businesses" experiment. It's the main reason why I root against the R's these days. (I'm also a little weary of the naysaying obstructionism without proferring a viable alternative I've been witnessing of late.)
Posted 06:10 PM, 04/15/2009
PA_Dutch
I know this is off message but after enduring countless jgd84's rants about Obama's genitalia he's nowhere to be found. In other news, the Log Cabin Republicans are having their convention Thursday thru Sunday. Maybe we'll hear from jgd84 on Monday.
Posted 06:03 PM, 04/15/2009
swedesboromike
Phrossty- Well we will never know. I agree with Poll-man in that the odds of anything changing are zero. It really doesn't matter anyway- there are really only 48 Republicans in the Senate. There is no legislation that can be stopped for all practical purposes. It's the constant predictions of a long term democratic majority that is most amusing. With retails sales off 10% from last year at this time, and almost 9% unemployment, and a stock market 1600 points down since election day, I wouldn't be too comfortable.
Posted 05:15 PM, 04/15/2009
Phrossty
Posted by swedesboromike 04:24 PM, 04/15/2009 -- "Franken would certainly get drubbed in a do-over if there was to be one." **** I wouldn't be too sure, Mike. There was an Independent guy named Dean Barkley in the first race. I can't say for sure, but he likely took more from the comic than the Repub. (My opinion is based on the self-imposed exile of extremism I've been witnessing from the R's.) So, a redo would likely favor Tom Davis' former partner, not Coleman. A Coleman spokesman agrees with me in the following link. It's WSJ, so you might even look at it. ••• http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122204643394361665.html
Posted 05:07 PM, 04/15/2009
yoda
Man, if I had a nickel for every wrong prediction a wingnut on this blog made in the past year I would have so much money I could retire to Monaco and never pay taxes again...;-)
Posted 04:36 PM, 04/15/2009
swedesboromike
Franny- Time Magazine is a state run media outlet. Hardly a credible source for anything other than Democratic propaganda
Posted 04:29 PM, 04/15/2009
swedesboromike
I think when you look at the US Senate it is very easy to see the Democratic majority will not last long. States like Alaska, Louisianna, and Montana have Democratic Senators who dress up like Republicans every election year to get re-elected. It's only a matter of time until the Republicans have control of one of the branches of Congress.
Posted 04:27 PM, 04/15/2009
Franny_Hodgins
TIME Magazine: "Essentially leaderless, lacking a cohesive message and fighting amongst themselves, Republicans appear to be in disarray..." APPEAR? One can see this with their eyes wide shut!
Posted 04:24 PM, 04/15/2009
swedesboromike
I think when the Democratic election fraud group, ACORN, gets caught registering the entire roster of the Dallas Cowboys, and such cartoon characters as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck there is certainly a lot of room to speculate that the Democrats easily could have pulled off a few thousand fraudulant votes in an election that is within 250 votes. And furthermore why did Stuart Smalley struggle in a state that Obama won handily? It all seems very " fishy " to me. Franken would certainly get drubbed in a do-over if there was to be one.
Posted 04:15 PM, 04/15/2009
swedesboromike
Huh? "95% of Americans are getting a tax cut?" Once again Poll-man is fast and free with the facts. If someone gets $ 13 dollars more a week in their paycheck but then gets walloped with higher energy costs through cap and trade how exactly is that a tax cut? Not to mention the walloping we all take at the local level with higher property taxes, transfer taxes, right to work tax, cell phone tax, trash tax, gas tax, increased toll fees etc.
Posted 03:31 PM, 04/15/2009
Djoko Pritza
Still, the Repubs can keep this Minnesota going until the US Supremes reject their petition. And that is about all the Repubs have going for them these days -- stall, delay, obstruct, distort, mislead, say no. If conservatives, including the pathetic whiners on this site, were serious, they'd stop blogging BS and start doing something constructive, like urging their leaders (if they could find any) to do something that would improve their party’s prospects in the future.
Posted 03:20 PM, 04/15/2009
TeaParty2009
HarryErney - laugh all you want - Franken won, Coleman lost. Franken and the DNC has the long, last, loud laugh. What is wrong with Republicans that they can never get it when they've lost? Pathetic. This failed antic by the GOP did far more damage to them both in Minnesota and the US Senate for years - no way will they gain seats in 2010 or 2012. Thank you loser Coleman and loser GOP!
Posted 03:18 PM, 04/15/2009
Djoko Pritza
I agree with Alec. The US Supremes are still smarting from all the sh*t they've taken, and continue to take, for meddling in Gore-Bush. They won't touch another election case unless there is no way to duck it.
Posted 02:46 PM, 04/15/2009
pagoda
Coleman, the incumbant, needs the Supreme Court to keep his seat? He is still behind Stewart Smalley in the vote count- It's called writing, and it's on the wall. Norm, you lost, several years ago.
Posted 02:12 PM, 04/15/2009
CD75
NBC has asked Blago to be on its show "I am a Celebrity, get me out of Here". Wow. The liberal media is off its rocker. No wonder they are all going down.
Posted 02:09 PM, 04/15/2009
CD75
XI: Don't forget this is the state that picked Jesse "The Body" Ventura as its Governer. And you thought only Vermont was loopy.
Posted 01:50 PM, 04/15/2009
Alec Mento
Speaking as a liberal/writer/not-lawyer/whatever-else-CD75-doesn't-like, I think the U.S. Supreme Court would refuse to hear a Coleman challenge, if they think all the applicable state laws have been followed correctly. I don't think it has anything to do with *Bush v. Gore*, though -- *all* decisions apply only to specific cases; it's up to other judges to decide that they set/reinforce/change precedent in other cases. And Comrade Xi -- way to slam an entire state's population. I bet you'd extoll their plainspoken Midwestern wisdom if Mr. Coleman had won.
Posted 01:50 PM, 04/15/2009
the anti-CD75
CD75 is just like his Republican and Conservative compadres - pathetic and irrelevant. They have no platform, no credibility, and no leaders. They are the driving force behind the overwhelming majority of what is wrong and destructive in this country. They seek only to defend their own, demented interests, at the expense of the rest of the American community. Alas, they are on a greased rail toward permanent minority status, which is fitting, because Republicans and Conservatives have long preyed on other minority groups for their simple-minded, greedy and myopic ends. They are a joke that CD75 emulates with each of his (or her) ridiculous posts. Keep up the good work! Your constant stupidity makes my day!
Posted 01:34 PM, 04/15/2009
Malachy
jmc - Yes. Unlike you and the other GOP humps on this board, Franken actually possesses a working brain. Get over it. Isn't that what you mental giants said post Gore v Bush?
Posted 01:05 PM, 04/15/2009
77volks
jmc - if the situation were reversed in 2000 do you think that George would've given up for the good of the country? cd - aside from the outside argument of failure to apply constructionist law standards (which you don't reference), unless you missed DP's inclusion of the fact that the Minnesota Supremes include folks who won't be present at any appeal due to confilcts, where would Coleman's support come from?
Posted 01:02 PM, 04/15/2009
bensalemite
jmc: Yup, I think so.
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Posted 12:55 PM, 04/15/2009
Phrossty
jmc - Not for a second, but I think I alluded to that in my prior post.
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Posted 12:31 PM, 04/15/2009
jmc
If the situation were reversed do you think the comedian would give it up?
Posted 12:29 PM, 04/15/2009
AHiredGun
Hey CD: I AM a lawyer and I agree with Polman. Coleman is cooked, and if the GOP continues to go down this road in Minnesota, its effort to come back in the State will be set back for years to come.
Posted 12:29 PM, 04/15/2009
LJL
"...all the liberal lawyer wannabes who never could get into law school"....Or, those that could, and end up being editor of the Harvard Law Review, constitutional law professors and presidents.
Posted 12:27 PM, 04/15/2009
Mcarlyle
CD75, thanks for validating all of Dick's points.
Posted 12:26 PM, 04/15/2009
LJL
What a shock! The party, who's last resurgence came about by running an end-around the election system, placing the worst president in history in power by a proxy Supreme Court, attempting to circumvent another loss by gaming the system. Oh well. They'll lose, again, and find themselves further marginalized and increasingly irrelevant. The GOP is one more national election away from joining the Whigs and Free Soil party in the annals of american history. True conservatives better get their act together, and soon. Or else this fringe party will be fielding Wailin' Palin, Bobby J or Mitt "6K YO Earth" Romney in 2012 and find themselves hammering the final nails on the party's coffin. Pretty well deserved, too.
Posted 12:26 PM, 04/15/2009
Phrossty
"It is [R] who would be seeking a broad and liberal interpretation, in violation of alleged Republican principles, thus exposing the hypocrisy of his last-ditch mission." This really shouldn't come as a surprise. It's what I would expect of any politician, R or D. It's just that abandoning principles for expediency has become a trademark of the R's of late as they don't appear to have anything constructive to offer, just naysaying and obstructionism.
Posted 12:18 PM, 04/15/2009
CD75
Get ready for all the liberal lawyer wannabes who never could get into law school to start spouting how much law they know......
Posted 12:15 PM, 04/15/2009
CD75
Dick, lawyer you are not (probably a lawyer wannabe though). be careful Dick, there is a strong argument that the 3 judge panel applied the wrong standard of law to their review, which is prime issues for a legal appeals court. I know it is far above you to understand the law as you are merely a writer, but the saga is far from over as you like to think. Perhaps you should read the filings?
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