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Tuesday, July 1, 2008

 

In his ongoing bid to reassure Americans that he, as an American, really truly does love America, what will Barack Obama feel compelled to do next? Dress up like James Cagney and sing "Yankee Doodle Dandy?" Show up as a guest on the Food Channel and share his personal recipe for all-American apple pie? Turn up this month at the All-Star game so that he can croon the National Anthem, preferably while dewy-eyed? Sew an American flag with his own needle and thread?

His first national TV ad was aimed at proving to Americans that the mixed-race guy with the funny name was sufficiently patriotic, and yesterday he plucked almost all the chords ("our heart swells with pride at the sight of our flag...we shed a tear as the lonely notes of Taps sound...America is the greatest country on earth") during remarks in swing-state Missouri, billed by his campaign billed as a major address. Presumably, skeptical voters will not fault him for failing to mention the purple mountain majesties and amber waves of grain.

I have no problems with patriotic sentiment. I'm merely struck by the fact that Obama feels the need to keep stating the obvious (yesterday: "I have always taken my deep and abiding love for this country as a given"). Thanks in part to his exotic background, thanks in part to the lies mass-circulated on the Internet, thanks in part to the credulous ignorance of millions of potential voters, and thanks in part to the perception, still broadly held, that Democrats are weak national security stewards, Obama has no other choice.

So he sought yesterday to make the most of his situation. In his latest attempts to innoculate himself against future conservative attacks, he spent considerable time reassuring swing voters that he's not a stereoptypical '60s liberal.

For instance, consider this putdown of antiwar radicals: "Some of those in the so-called counter-culture of the '60s reacted not merely by criticizing particular government policies, but by attacking the symbols, and in extreme cases, the very idea of America itself; by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world...There is nothing smart of sophisticated about a cynical disregard for America's traditions and institutions...I believe those who attack America's flaws without acknowledging the singular greatness of our ideals, and our proven capacity to inspire a better world, do not truly understand America."

Most of those remarks could easily have been uttered by Ronald Reagan, who in 1980 and 1984 used those arguments to successfully woo swing-voting independents and conservative Democrats. And elsewhere in the speech, he echoed conservative sentiment (although this sentiment should not be limited to conservatives) with his complaint that schools today have stinted on civics, thus leaving "too many young Americans without the most basic knowledge of who are forefathers are, or what they did, or the significance of the founding documents that bear their names."

Obama also took a not-so-veiled swipe at moveon.org for its autumn newspaper ad assailing General David Petraeus, and he rebuked Wesley Clark, his own surrogate, for suggesting on a Sunday talk show that John McCain's POW status was an insufficient qualification for the presidency. (Obama: "no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign...We must always express our profound gratitude for the service of our men and women in uniform. Period.")

Will wary voters warm to his recitation of patriotic childhood memories? It would not be a surprise if these anecdotes turn up again in his Democratic convention acceptance speech on Aug. 28. The line about how he handled his grandfather's World War II dogtags...that could work. The line about how, when he was a child in Indonesia, his mother would read to him by quoting from the Declaration of Independence...well, I wonder whether the wary will buy that one. By all accounts, his mom was indeed a unique woman, but that particular anecdote, told as proof of his patriotism, just seems a tad too perfect.

But then he made a daring pitch for himself: "For a young man of mixed race, without firm anchor in any particular community, without even a father's steadying hand, it is this essential American idea - that we are not constrained by the accident of birth but can make of our lives what we will - that has defined my life...That is why, for me, patriotism is always more than just loyalty to a place on a map or a certain kind of people."

Translation: "You can love America even if you didn't grow up as a white guy rooted in the heartland. Patriotism is in the heart, not in the soul. It's portable, you can carry it with you, sort of like COBRA health insurance."  

But the meat of his speech - and, arguably, the theme with the greatest potential - was about the need to meld the two traditional views of patriotism: the conservative impulse to revere our glorious past and traditions; and the liberal impulse to revere our ideals, in the belief that America can be made better. His argument - a no-brainer, and one that fits with his bid to be a consensus-builder - is that we should be able to entertain both impulses simultaneously.

However, Obama stressed that the conservative impulse was dominant: "As I got older...in my mind, the joys of American life and culture, its vitality, its variety and its freedom, always outweighed its imperfections." No doubt he will hit this point repeatedly this summer, if only to counter the persistent viral whisperings. Which means that this whole exercise in patriot games arguably says more about our culture than it does about Obama.      

  

Posted by Dick Polman @ 9:41 AM  Permalink | 78 comments
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Posted 01:57 PM, 07/03/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
JeffA, you raise a good point. I do prefer candiates with executive experience such as governors, former VP's, major company owners... But the fact is by the time the primaries made it to PA only senators were in the race. I also prefer candiates with some military experience; this way as Commander in Chief they would have some first hand knowledge of what's it like to be a soldier. I also look for someone with a proven record of public service. Just based on that I'd have to pick McCain over Obama. But, I've also liked McCain since 2000 when he getting noticed as a potential nomination.
Posted 08:35 AM, 07/02/2008
scrooge1
Enough already!
Posted 08:19 AM, 07/02/2008
frankg962
JRichter, Kennedy served admirably and heroically in WWII
Posted 02:52 AM, 07/02/2008
yobill626
Christines --- Where do you get your information that "the DNC has been plagued by this GROWING group of Hillary Clinton supporters who have pledged to vote against Barack Obama..."? Every poll I've seen shows that number is DECREASING --- substantially. In addition, your continued referrals to this past weekend's "stunt" seems to ignore that fact that "stunts" like this are done in one form or another in an overwhelming number of instances when a major challenger cedes to the victor in various political races. Big whoop...! Heck, McCain & Romney did it when Romney bagged his campaign.
Posted 01:40 AM, 07/02/2008
p-diddy
Christine - Then vote for McCain, you dolt.
Posted 01:00 AM, 07/02/2008
Christines
This weekends PR stunt or "unity" fest underscores a problem for the presumptive Democratic nominee. The problem can be summed up in one word: PUMA. Since the end of the Democratic primaries the DNC has been plagued by this growing group of Hillary Clinton supporters who have pledged to vote against Barack Obama and reform the Democratic Party that is clearly more interested in power than moving the country forward. In recent weeks Democratic leadership has bombarded the press with a message of unity and a fall-back to the talking points meant to divide this country such as abortion. So how much of problem does PUMA and Just Say No Deal represent to the Obama campaign? A huge one and here's why: PUMA and Just Say No Deal are comprised of Hillary Clinton's most ardent supporters and represent what Richard Nixon once referred to as the "Silent Majority". They are middle class values voters, the "Reagan Democrats", who position trust, personal and religious beliefs, a profound love for their country, and political education at the forefront of their political decision making. The PUMAS embody the fighting spirit of our founding fathers, driven by a belief that our country, not our political parties, should come first. This weekends PR stunt or "unity" fest underscores a problem for the presumptive Democratic nominee. The problem can be summed up in one word: PUMA. http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/why-obama-dean-fear-4-million.html
Posted 11:32 PM, 07/01/2008
amg
Tom, you're absolutely right in regards to how Obama met Ayres. What you're leaving out is he was invited by Palmer and was unaware of who Ayres was and what the nature of the gathering was (Palmer naming Obama to be her successor). How do you blame a young politician for accepting an invitation from a well connected politico where he has the opportunity to network and become a known face in powerful circles? People don't rise to this level without rubbing elbows with the powerful. You know that yet you act as if Obama and Ayres planned the event and then went shopping for the food and beverages for the gathering. Stop the inanity. As I said before, Ayres was never indicted. He was charged but never indicted. He now serves his community and has been an upstanding member of society. That doesn't excuse his behavior but if he was really a "domestic terrorist" he would have been prosecuted and would be in jail. There is no getting around that fact no matter how hard you try. Now, comparing Rezko and Enron is patently absurd. Enron wrecked the lives of millions of citizens and made jokes about it (listen to the tapes), Ken Lay was personally responsible for inflating a market so he could rake in billions of dollars then when it all fell apart he raided the employee's pension and 401K funds to bail himself out. The swath of disaster that Lay and Enron cut across the nation is unparelleled in our nation's history. The impact of his criminal acts are directly tied to today's oil speculation and impacting the price of gas at the pump. Rezko is a small time swindler who got what was coming to him and should have been in jail. Of course you know all of this but won't agree with any of it because it doesn't fit your agenda.
Posted 11:09 PM, 07/01/2008
p-diddy
Tom, since this is Polman's blog and not Seymour Hersh's, I won't post a lengthy rebuttal to your claim that the clandestine U.S. operations going on in Iran right now are none of our business. There's more to it than that - mainly that the Bush administration has managed to leave congressional oversight (as well as our foreign ambassadors) in the dark over these operations, while at the same time getting funding approval from a Democratic congress that is lying through its teeth to voters. All I can say is, read Hersh's article "Preparing the Battlefield" on the New Yorker website. This administration is flat out dangerous. Whoever is elected, you've got to think things can only improve.
Posted 10:00 PM, 07/01/2008
BillSanford
What record we know of Obama is far-left. Now that he has captured the nomination of the Democrats, he is trying to move to the right. Ho about the 'real' Obama coming out of the closet? He should say what he will do, and then do what he says. As in campaign funds, for instance....
Posted 09:43 PM, 07/01/2008
tom - wilmington, de
amg, I guess if you are so concerned about McCain's dealing with the S&L "scandal" and the Keating 5 (how many people even remember that...you must really be old), then you should also be concerned about Obama's ties to Tony Rezko, who was also convicted recently of fraud and other charges. Oh wait, Obama had no knowledge of any of that and no real ties to Rezko. What crime was McCain charged with in the S&L scandal? You check out Wendy Graham, I'll check on Mark Holder (who recommended Mark Rich for a pardon to your boy Bill). You check out Enron and McCain, I'll check out Rezko and Obama. Djoko, we have also seen what a Dem president with a Dem congress can do...see Jimmy Carter and the early years of Billy Boy for examples. As for Dems, it was they who were in office during the Cole attack, Khobar Towers, Embassy bombings, etc....what action was taken for any of that? Especially the Cole..a direct attack on our military that went unanswered. Yeah, let's give you guys another shot.
Posted 09:36 PM, 07/01/2008
tom - wilmington, de
amg, William Ayers was charged by the federal government after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion and remained underground as a fugitive until 1977. That is when the charges against him were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct. It was after the birth of their son that both he and his wife turned themselves in. So it seems when you talk about felonious acts (as you do Cindy McCain, who was never charged with a felony), you should mention Mr. Ayers. As for Obama, he was introduced to Ayers by Alice Palmer, who was stepping down as state senator and introducing Obama to some politically connected liberal supporters in her district. This was done at Ayers home. I believe it shows a lot about Mr. Obama's character that he would associate with the likes of Ayers at all, especially if he knew about Ayers background. George HW Bush was called George HW Bush when he was president, long before his son became prominent. How many presidents and presidential candidates have their middle names included...yet it is somehow racist to say Hussein? I guess once an apologist, always an apologist.
Posted 08:14 PM, 07/01/2008
jjfalcon35
Al what I said have been Obamas economic proposals over the last few months.They are pro big government and anti growth. He is weak on economy, taxes, national security , immigration, health care, Iraq. I hit some nerve her among you Philly (best example of failed high tax, big government Democrat failures there is in America) libs since you are stuck with a weak candidate in this Dem year. Why do you think a generic democrat beats a generic GOP by double digits yet Obama is just slightly ahead of McCain despite all the money and the media in the bag for him?
Posted 07:45 PM, 07/01/2008
Rauol Duke
jjfalcon35, do go it economics because you really do not what your talking about. 1929 was very similar to today, where you unregulated capitalism and people operating on greed cause the markets to fall apart. It happen in the banking industry and all commodity markets as is happening today. Speculators are leveraging everything to the hilt. Hoover, a republican, refused to intervene, as your buddy Bush. This is a bottom’s up economy, where it is driven by Joe Six-pack, if he is drinking good the economy is good but if he has cut back on those beers after work we all hurt. What is going to correct this mess is first, we must reinvest into the infrastructure of this country. Then we begin a plan to end our addiction to oil. No more drilling because these oil companies will not pump any more no matter how many holes they have in the ground, what makes them pump more is the fact we are going to use something else besides the Devil’s Brew. The only reason they keep the price of oil low during the Clinton years was because they knew if they played the games they are playing now Clinton would of put more money into alternative fuels.
Posted 06:58 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
Wow, jjfalcon, way to memorize those talking points! Blah, blah, blah. McCain's economic policy is pretty much Bush's, and you might notice the thing isn't working out too well. Reality 101.
Posted 06:41 PM, 07/01/2008
jjfalcon35
Barack Obama who has the nerve to claim he will turn this economy fails to realize that his tax increases in Social Securuty payroll taxes, capital gains and trade preotectionism will further harm the US economy just as they did in 1929 when Hoover was President. Windfall profit taxes will not decrease the price of gas, it will increase it. Democrats tried it in the last oil crisis and failed. Right know speculators are betting on more demand than supply for the commodity. Supply the market with more and the price will go down. Drill here, now , pay less.Decrease spending and grow the economy and the dollar will go up thus decreasing the price of oil even further. Economics 101: McCains approach and the opposite of Obamas.
Posted 06:17 PM, 07/01/2008
amg
And for the poster who thinks it's okay to call Obama by his middle name, I'm trying to decide if you're ignorant by choice or just stupid. The reason people refer to the elder Bush as HW is so they can distinguish him from his son. Since he's not a "Senior" he's isn't referred to as such. As for referring to his son as "W" or "Dubya", George W Bush refers to himself that way all the time. In fact, during his campaign one of the backdrops said simply "DUBYA" on it, nothing else. He sold hats, t-shirts and all other kinds of stuff with just that letter on it. He branded himself that way so referring to him with it is actually part of his own doing. As for HRC, Rodham is her maiden name. She used it in her professional life all the time. People referred to her as Hillary Rodham Clinton because that's how SHE referred to HERSELF. Now, Barack Obama never uses his middle name and not out of shame but because it's not normal unless you need to use it to set yourself apart from someone with a similar name (ala father and son Bush). However you righties use it all the time to gin up fear. Now I know it's tough to understand the nuances of this post and I probably just wasted a couple minutes of my life that I'll never get back, but, I'm here for you pal. Just trying to help out.
Posted 06:08 PM, 07/01/2008
amg
Wow, the righties are out in force today. I'd love to comment on all of it but I'll try and keep it short. The funniest posts on here today are the one's that try and tie Obama to Ayres because Obama was invited to an event that Ayres attended. The facts folks are relatively simple, Obama met Ayres through a political connection in Chicago, Ayres donated $200 (HOLY SMOKES TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS?!?!?!?) to Obama Illinois Senate campaign, they both were on the same board of a charity. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. They weren't friends, they didn't hang out together. They were casual acquaintances in the Chicagoland area and belong to the same political party. And just so you know Ayres is now a college professor and was never indicted on any criminal charges. It seems that there was little evidence that he was anything more than an angry guy who did a lot of yelling and screaming and little else despite what he may have claimed to have done. I'm more concerned with the fact that McCain was a central figure in the Savings and Loan debacle and that he employs Wendy Graham as his chief finance advisor. The same Wendy Graham who was chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission during George HW Bush's term and then went to work for Enron, a company she helped greatly by getting legislation passed (on Clinton's inaguaration day no less) that protected Enron and allowed them to corner the market on energy futures trading. Seriously, you righties should do some research on the connection there between her and McCain. Oh right, you'll obsess on passing acquaintances and lapel pins then relationships that actually impact your daily life. Poor slobs.
Posted 06:00 PM, 07/01/2008
JeffA
LastRepublicaninPhilly - There's a big difference today between Republicans and Conservatives. Many people I know who are Conservatives cannot wait for the Republicans to exit the White House. Not that they favor the Democrats. As you may know well, Conservatives are not one's to vote for the the least hated candidate, tending to vote on conviction. Which is why many will vote Libertarian Party this year. Or just sit it out. Regardless, the shifting sands of what makes someone qualified change depending on the candidates. Leaders come along infrequently, agents of change. Obama is untested, but the reality is McCain is as well. What Executive Experience does McCain have? CEO? Governor? Boy Scout Troop Leader? So since neither has much executive experience, what do we fall back on to judge these Corporate Shills?
Posted 05:36 PM, 07/01/2008
Denny, Alaska
JRichter, did you actually write that Reagan and Kennedy had *no* military service? Check your history. Every President since 1945 with the exception of Clinton had military service.
Posted 05:34 PM, 07/01/2008
JeffA
Denny, yes his mother is white. In America, if you have color, you're tagged with that ethnicity. I know a couple with 3 kids where the mom is Indian and the father Irish Catholic. Kids all have their mom's complexion- what do you think people see when he takes his kids to a ballgame?
Posted 05:16 PM, 07/01/2008
Denny, Alaska
Why is Sen. Obama (D-Carter's Second Term) referred to as "black?" Wasn't his mother white?
Posted 04:57 PM, 07/01/2008
JRichter
The best presidents in the last forty years had no military record (Clinton, Reagan, Kenedy). The best for our economy (Clinton) and also the worst (Bush) as well so we should honor our men in service and reward them as much as we can (hence Webb bill that reward them well but was opposed by McCain and Bush though they failed). Beyond that it should not have anything to do with crowning them president or we will suffer for our poor choice criteria (like we've been doing the past 8 years by voting one we most like to have a beer with).
Posted 04:50 PM, 07/01/2008
JRichter
Can you guys make a point (chrissmith, puttingonthefoild) without resorting to a supposition that at best makes you loony: Baracks really great speech was overshadowed (and ruined in the short term) by Clark's reasonable but insensitive comment. Way to coordinate. If there is anything we know its the Obama organization being very organized and disciplined (they even accurately predicted their performance to a T in several states in teh primary and the end delegate projections as well). Also, Clark was a former Clinton supporter that was against Obama until a few weeks. If Obama keeps sending them out and himself says in the stongest word - McCain is a hero, No dimiinishing any on's service. Period. Full stop. No additions. No supporter should go there. Doesnt that weight stronger and help McCain. He doesnt even need to defend himself further. He just needs to refer anyone to Barack's own comment. Excepting from physically goig out and muzzling the non-connected to him supporter what can he do. Abandon his campaign for the country and go after each one?
Posted 04:50 PM, 07/01/2008
pagoda
Republicans had a blank check and they blew it. Ask Rush or Sean or any of your other saints. Watching them barely hang on for their lives is super fun. Thanks for being greedy and wrong.
Posted 04:30 PM, 07/01/2008
jjfalcon35
Blah blah blah. Obama is an empty suit with a tissue paper resume. He chose for decades to sit idle through anti American speech with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers and thinks he can reverse that with speeches with giant US flags behind him. Not so fast. He will be exposed and all Americans will WELL know his background before election day. Liberal impulse to make America better? Come on. Like giving driver licenses to illegal immigrants, stopping the development of new combat systems and missile defense ( with Iran pursuing nuclears), not "weaponizing space"(like Russia and China care), single payer healthcare a la Canada, UK wait 3 mos for your MRI, sorry cant have Nexium, leave Iraq behind to AlQaeda and Iran because Bush lied and screwed up, is change worth hoping for. Not enough of your spin Pollman, Inquirer is goint to stop the message (well documented in You tube videos of Obama himself) from getting out. You will be shocked on election night. Americans are fair and decent and McCain is just the better man for this big job. Period
Posted 04:07 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
Canjuncocoa, I checked with Barack. He doesn't want your vote.
Posted 03:56 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
LastRepub, you've got it! We've seen what the GOP can do. Now, move over. bon, I say attack McCain on all fronts all the time, and don't stop till he drops. I love and fear for my country more than I care about the niceties. And I think the Dems have finally figured that out. And hypocrisy isn't a crime. Nor is flip-flopping or moving to the center ... or outsmarting all the drooling dupes on the right.
Posted 03:55 PM, 07/01/2008
cajuncocoa
Ya know, if Barack Obama hadn't spent so much time hanging around with people who have expressed hatred for our country, maybe he wouldn't have to do this tap dance now. I'm not buying it. A man is known by the company he keeps. Barack Obama has kept some pretty shady company. He can wrap himself in the flag and sing Yankee Doodle Dandy until the cows come home but he'll never get my vote.
Posted 03:55 PM, 07/01/2008
cajuncocoa
Ya know, if Barack Obama hadn't spent so much time hanging around with people who have expressed hatred for our country, maybe he wouldn't have to do this tap dance now. I'm not buying it. A man is known by the company he keeps. Barack Obama has kept some pretty shady company. He can wrap himself in the flag and sing Yankee Doodle Dandy until the cows come home but he'll never get my vote.
Posted 03:41 PM, 07/01/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
Djoke, I guess no matter what Obama says, even if it changes from day to day, you agree with him. Just as long as we get rid of this undesirable republicans, huh?
Posted 03:30 PM, 07/01/2008
bon
Djoko Pritza: You weren't calling in minutia in 2004, when the whole basis of your candidates campaign was the fact that he served in Vietnam. McCain defended John Kerry, then, from attacks on his war record. It seems McCain cannot expect similar respect from Democrats and Obama.
Posted 03:30 PM, 07/01/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
P-diddy, Obama opted out of the public financing program (one that he admitted on at least 6 occassions that he would accept rather then opt out) so he's propably using that to help fund his "no, really I am a patriot" ads. Agent of change, huh. We haven't had a presidental nominee opt out of public financing since the Watergate era.
Posted 03:26 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
Flip-floppin’ is fine by me, whatever you have to do to reduce the number of targets for Repub smear artists. The idea is to win the election. It is excruciatingly important that the toys of power be taken from the GOP, while this country still has a fightin’ chance. And this is my problem with you, Tommy; you are so into the small stuff.
Posted 03:24 PM, 07/01/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
If Obama actually had a proven record, he wouldn't have to prove so hard that he's patriotic, not a radical, not a liberal, not inexperienced, able to make tough decisions, not a muslim, not an empty suit, not just a teleprompter reader... If he can't even get out of the starting block, he's not qualified to be president.
Posted 03:17 PM, 07/01/2008
p-diddy
Tom, back in January of this year, in response to Polman's column "Flight of the Phoenix", you wrote: "Today I am sending off my $1,000 campaign contribution to Barack Obama. Just in case McCain does get the nomination, I need an alternative." What happened? You're a McCain supporter now? But $1000 - ouch.
Posted 03:16 PM, 07/01/2008
jfar86
By the way, for the record, no relation to jwad.
Posted 03:08 PM, 07/01/2008
jwad56
Exactly my point. Don't debate any facts since you can't, just attack the person.
Posted 03:07 PM, 07/01/2008
tom - wilmington, de
djoko, did you forget Clinton signed a tax cut in 1997, which included a cut in the capital gains tax as well as the $500 per child tax credit? That is when the economy under his presidency really started to take off. As for Obama's experience being a talking point, I believe that is the best argument against electing him president. There is nothing to either criticize or commend. He is an empty suit, sort of like Peter Sellers character (Chauncy Gardener) in the movie "Being There". Did all you McCain flip flop bashers note your guys big one today? Suddenly Obama is in favor of expanding Bush's faith based initiatives, when before he was opposed to them. Seems like he has a change in his positions on a daily basis now. People on this site say they are against McCain becaue he flip flops, but Obama does so as well and he gets a pass. People on this site were against HRC because she would do and say anything to get elected, but Obama is doing the same and gets a pass. Obama moves two Muslim from where they could be seen on camera and needs to be pressured to apologize, but using his middle name is racist. Seems rather hypocritical to me not only of Obama but also of his supporters. But I guess that is just another republican talking point, right Djoko?
Posted 03:07 PM, 07/01/2008
jfar86
Djoko Pritza, there is no need to resort to name calling. I have attempted to engage in a civilized discussion, which you are either unwilling or unable to do. By all means, question my logic or my positions. But engage in discourse.
Posted 03:05 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
Oops, jfar86, my apologies. The dupe comment was intended for jwad56 (are you two related?). jwad doesn't seem up to the spinner level yet.
Posted 03:03 PM, 07/01/2008
jfar86
Djoko Pritza, are you suggesting that anybody concerned about Obama's lack of experience is a "dupe?" It seems to me to be a rather valid concern. JFK admitted that he when he met with Khruschev, Khruschev took advantage of his inexperience. Aren't the same concerns about Obama meeting with foreign leaders appropriate? Experience, either as a political leader, or as a leader in the private sector, is certainly a real asset, and certainly a legitimate qualification by which to evaluate a presidential candidate.
Posted 03:02 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
jfar86 -- I think you fall in the dupe category.
Posted 03:01 PM, 07/01/2008
JimR
One of my favorite quotes...."Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson. keep it in persrective. The patriots we admire most are the guys who railed against their country, practiced "treasonous" behavior, revolted against the lawful authority of the time. Does that make the cranks and malcontents the real patriots?
Posted 02:54 PM, 07/01/2008
jwad56
jfar86 - The truth about Obama has become a "right wing talking point" because there is no other defense of the truth about his record, his friends, his accomplishments, his goals or his methods than to ridicule you as an idiot. As soon as you write the truth his supporters will personally attack you. They are just very bitter about Bush and are lashing out.
Posted 02:54 PM, 07/01/2008
p-diddy
Tom - The problem is that the people who are in charge of overseeing military operations and funding are being shut out by the White House. The Bush administration has so blurred the distinction between CIA operations and military operations that Congressional oversight committees are now authorizing covert ops without even knowing what they are authorizing. This is a source of tremendous tension inside both the White House (this is a big reason why NSA chief Negroponte resigned) and in congress. We have a situation where neither congress or our foreign ambassadors have access to the details of what U.S. forces are doing inside Iran. Some inside Cheney's office are so upset with this state of affairs that they were willing to leak information to Seymour Hersh. Recently the funding took a huge jump to $400 million, money that is being used to fund anti-American, Islamic fundamentalist groups. The fear is that the White House is trying to goad Iran into provoking an American attack. People are so caught up in Bush's unpopularity and trashed reputation; we need to realize that a U.S. attack on Iran might very well happen before Bush's term in over. Hersh even goes so far as to say that this is exactly what is going to happen - and Hersh is not known as as chicken little.
Posted 02:46 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
The talking point, my good man, is to name the number of accomplishments, which when comparing a young man with little time in the legislature with an old guy who's live most of his life there is kinda inane. Experience, also, is a heavily qualified attribute. But it's a concept easy for the right-wing spin-bloggers to pedal and for their dupes to grasp.
Posted 02:36 PM, 07/01/2008
jfar86
Djoko Pritza, how is the fact that Obama has very little experience and no real legislative accomplishments a talking point? It is a legitimate concern. Each voter has to make the judgment for themselves, but I simply feel that Obama is far too inexperienced to lead this nation. McCain has a long track record, and though I disagree with a lot of what he has done, he at least has a record by which he can be judged. Further, he also has enough experience that I would trust him to sit down with the leader of a foreign nation, which I cannot say for Obama.
Posted 02:29 PM, 07/01/2008
tom - wilmington, de
diddy, they are called "clandestine operations" for a reason. If we are attempting to cause a disruption in Iran, then hooray for the Dems to have the guts to authorize it. I love how using Obama's middle name is racist and demeaning, but what Clark or Beers said about McCain, or the "General Betray Us" was not an attack against anyone. If Obama does not want anyone to use his middle name, then he should change it. Is he ashamed of it? Exactly what is racist about using his middle name? After all, we use Hillary Rodham Clinton, we use George W Bush, and George H W Bush, as well as many others. Next thing you know, the media will be referring to Obama as Barry instead of Barack.
Posted 02:27 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, Tom de Wilm, re your Dem Congress spin, you remind me of the supply-side loonies of the Clinton years, when they predicted his tax hike would ruin the country. When it turned out to presage an era of growth and prosperity – and of surpluses – those same loonies, who probably included you, said of course the economic good times were all a part of the Reagan legacy. Tom, keep spinnin’, big boy. That way, you won’t have to confront reality.
Posted 02:27 PM, 07/01/2008
jwad56
BOHICA he was a community organizer and he is a lawyer. Plus he has relatives in other countries. What else do you want?
Posted 02:20 PM, 07/01/2008
tom - wilmington, de
So let's see. The counter culture of the 60's who attacked American institutions just didn't understand America? Did Obama believe that when he kicked off his state senate campaign at the home of William Ayers, who bombed the Pentagon? Did he believe that before he left his church of 20 years? Are we going to hear stories of his family, such as the one about his paternal grandfather who was against the marriage of Obama's parents because he did not want any white blood to sully the Obama heritage (it is in his book)? And wuit whining about the last 8 years. For the first 6, we had low unemployment, low inflation, low interest rates, economic growth, and relatively stable oil. In the last 2 years we have had increasing unemployment, higher interest rates, oil has doubled in price, economic growth has slowed, and home purchases are on the decline. What, you ask, has changed in the past two years? Why, the DEMOCRATS GOT CONTROL OF CONGRESS and talked of windfall profits and tax increases. That is what happened. They are like Nero, fiddling while Rome burned.
Posted 02:17 PM, 07/01/2008
thelastRepublicaninPhilly
Djoko, Americans are not stupid just because they disagree with you. Bush will be gone in a few months and the real comparison is not Obama vs Bush, it's Obama vs McCain.
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Posted 02:01 PM, 07/01/2008
JeffA
Democratic leadership in Congress has been weak. But you know as well as I do that to blame the Democrats - in "power" less than 2 years -for the price of oil or the speculative housing bubble .... let's just agree that we're a Corporatacracy where both Parties are corrupt.
Posted 01:50 PM, 07/01/2008
jwad56
puttinonthefoil: "By continually chanting his middle name or misspelling his first name, they only affirm the stupidity and gullibility of their own voting bloc - seriously, why do it otherwise, right?" Dubya General Betray Us McSame Who are the idiots?
Posted 01:45 PM, 07/01/2008
p-diddy
I guess what I'm saying is that the only legitimate way to audition for the role of leader is to lead. The way to lead is to educate, not manipulate your image. That goes for McCain and Obama. People, the Democrats authorized $400 million for clandestine operations inside Iran. It's going on right now. And we're talking about Obama's attempts to appear "moderate"? Our leaders should be telling us this, not some investigate reporter. But if they won't, why can't the public bring it up? It seems like our elections are designed to instill ADD in the citizenry. That's not leadership; we ought to force them to do their job.
Posted 01:42 PM, 07/01/2008
syj
pagoda, In case you havent noticed the people with the least substance use supposedly insulting labels (i.e. leftists, liberals, etc.) the most. When your ideas are small its critcal that your name calling is prolific.
Posted 01:39 PM, 07/01/2008
syj
"The left is just too impatient for change and angry about everything." wow, that is like the pot calling the kettle black for sure. Who is more angry than conservatives? They are angry at minorities, "big government", liberals, environmentalists, enemy combatants, Europeans, etc. By and large conservatives have a problem with everyone except other white conservatives. I am also wondering why people here and Obama are acting like Clark attacked McCain. he did no such thing, he told the truth. McCain knows that many Americans are in such awe of military service that being a veteran makes you one step short of Jesus and thus no one will ask any hard questions about what his service means. Not every person who served in the military is qualified to be a leader. I'm not aware of McCain holding the rank of general or admiral in the military. His service alone doesnt make him any more qualified to make sound national security decisions than Obama or anyone else.
Posted 01:37 PM, 07/01/2008
p-diddy
Patriotism is a stupid idea that serves as comfort for people who would rather not deal with the complexities of life. No country owns virtue. Of course, deep down I think everyone knows this, but it wouldn't be patriotic give voice to such an idea. Everyone really knows this, that's what amazes me. Everyone seems to be invested, but not in their own lives. Thus we sit around and condemn what Wesley Clark said, Obama's bid to appear patriotic, McCain's appeal to social conservatives, etc., but at the same time we perpetuate all this nonsense. This is what annoys me most about politics - without fail, our leaders always appeal to our ignorance and detachment. It's easier than discussing real solutions to huge problems like Iraq, health insurance, the economy, globalization, poverty, etc. Enough discussion of campaign PR. This is revolting.
Posted 01:30 PM, 07/01/2008
frankg962
So just as with the primary we had the Clinton tool Pradeep parroting the talking points of the Clinton Campaign, I guess we now have 5 months of McCain tools like bon and mnh to deal with.
Posted 01:07 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
I love how the right-wing name-callers get so bent out of shape when their partisans get named-called in return and when Dems use the same smear tactics the Repubs have patented. Can't handle it, boys and girls of the right?
Posted 01:04 PM, 07/01/2008
tom - wilmington, de
Obama spoke about the counter culture of the 60's who attacked America as not understanding America. I guess then that when he held his first state senate fundraiser at the home of William Ayers, he was in the company of someone who does not understand America. Is he now saying Ayers was wrong in his actions? Guess they are no longer friends. Good thing too he left his church, for Wright also attacked the institutions and ideals of America (we started the aids virus?). When will we hear about his paternal grandfather who, when he was told his son was marrying a white woman from America, was against the union because he did not want any white blood sullying the Obama line (he wrote this in his book). Will we hear about that as well as his racist grandmother? That is the way to talk about patriotism. And I wish people would stop whining about the last eight years. For the first 6 of those years, growth was consistent, interest rates and inflation low, unemployment low, taxes low, and oil relatively stable. Sure Iraq was a debacle, that is admitted. HOWEVER, in the last two years, we have seen oil double, unemployment increase, the economy slow down, and the housing bubble burst. What happened in the past two years to help cause that....DEMOCRAT CONTROL OF CONGRESS. And all you need to do is look at Michigan to see what total Democrat control can do.
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Posted 12:56 PM, 07/01/2008
pagoda
Stop incorrectly equating Democrats with "Leftists"! It makes you sound like that twit Sean Hannity. All of these buzz words are meant to scare independents- I try to avoid only referring to Republicans as "right-wing Jesus freaks", please try to use the same restraint.
Posted 12:51 PM, 07/01/2008
chrissmith
The problem is that liberals have tried (unsuccessfully) to redefine patriotism as "dissent." Sorry, but that's not how most normal people think about patriotism. Patriotism in simply love of country. Period. Full stop. So when liberals want America to become more like Europe, and they are continually angry about "very American" things (such as capitalism, 2nd amendment, self-reliance rather than reliance on government), then, these types of liberals simply aren't patriotic. Let's just admit it. It's very, very amusing that Obama can't just impugn McCain's Prisoner of War status on his own. So he cowardly sends out Clark to do it for him. I don't believe for a second that Obama and Clark are not coordinating this behind the scenes. Clark has publicly endorsed Obama!
Posted 12:48 PM, 07/01/2008
Calvin Jones & the 13th Apostle
Bon ... Petraeus wasn't slandered .. besides .. when does a general go on a right wing radio talk show(Hugh Hewitt)? .. that doesn't bother you? I thought the active military was supposed to be non-political.
Posted 12:48 PM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, Bend Over Here It Comes Again (btw, a great sobriquet for a Bush/McCain supporter), I'm happy to include you in any future rants. Your question, another tired Repub talking point, is totally irrelevant. McCain has, what, been in Congress for 60 years, and Obama for, what, two-three? I'm gonna guess the old geezer is going to have a longer track record, like 90-95 percent support for Bush policies. Nice record. Spin on Bo-man, bon and jmc.
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Posted 12:32 PM, 07/01/2008
jmc
Most Americans on the left love the country and feel a sense of pride and patriotism, I will not dispute that. However, those on the left have to understand that they come across in such a way that makes it look as if the opposite is true. I don't know, maybe it's the attitude, the condecension, the self-rightousness, and the snickers at symbolic displays of patriotism like flag pins for instance. The left is just too impatient for change and angry about everything. Dissent is patriotic, but it is not the entirety of patriotism. Dissent has become almost a lifestyle on the left, and the constant drumbeat of dissent wears thin. This is the reason why Obama has to give these type of speeches. He may feel patriotic in his heart, but it doesn't come through the prism of his leftist ideology.
Posted 12:16 PM, 07/01/2008
pagoda
Dirty campaign politics? Who cares. Patriotic enough? (lapel pins) Who cares. Rush Limbaugh talking points, "left wing", "libs", Code Pink??? Who cares! All I care about is not repeating the last eight years. There is one candidate who is more likely to do that, and that's John McCain. I guess most of the Obama haters have fear of the unknown. Or they delusionally still support the worst Presidency of the modern era. (I know you're saying Carter, but he only had four years to irritate people.)
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Posted 11:45 AM, 07/01/2008
Djoko Pritza
Hey, bon, 8 years of Bush, the last 4 after we'd seen him in action for 4, pretty much shows how stupid Americans can be. I love how guys like you and MiddleName, the guy with the racist moniker, get so wrought up over minutia that the big picture is firmly out of your grasp. You guys are jokes! Keep me laughin'.
Posted 11:34 AM, 07/01/2008
bon
For the ultimate hypocrisy I am waiting for Kerry to do the same thing, MNH. After his "reporting for duty" speech, it will be cute to watch him go back to his old, military bashing roots. It seems the far left respects military service only insofar as it helps left wing candidates win elections. ----- As Obama was giving his speech yesterday, another high profile Democrat attack McCain for his military record. Rand Beers said that McCain's POW experience left him "sadly limited". Obama: a new, dirtier, kind of politics.
Posted 11:31 AM, 07/01/2008
mike l
mnh, wantg to show me where Obama's "surrogates" impugned McCain's miltary record? You mean where Clark said he honored McCain for his service and sacrifice? Where he said John McCain was a hero to him and the others who served in Nam? Yep, that's really impugning his military record. Oh yes, he did say that being shot down and imprisoned was not a qualification for president and that is true. Then again, bush didn't get shot down over Alabama protecting us from a Viet Cong onslaught and look at the mess he's made. BTW, how come John Kerry's military service and medals in Nam didn't make him qualified for the presidency, but McCain's does, in your eyes?
Posted 11:30 AM, 07/01/2008
puttinonthefoil
How stupid does Obama think people are? There are people still who think he is a Muslim. I don't know what Obama thinks, but that sounds pretty stupid to me. Of course, his opponents don't care. By continually chanting his middle name or misspelling his first name, they only affirm the stupidity and gullibility of their own voting bloc - seriously, why do it otherwise, right? You don't hear people shouting Sidney, do you? And finally - campaign rhetoric is campaign rhetoric. I will never forget some of our current presidents gems. I still youtube them when I need a laugh. Like this one: "[...] but I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is for us to go around the world saying, we do it this way, so should you. I think the United States must be humble and must be proud and confident of our values, but humble in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart their own course."
Posted 11:19 AM, 07/01/2008
MiddleNameHussein
bon, it was especially hypocritical of Baraq The Patriot Obama to give that speech just after he cowardly sent out his surrogates over the weekend to impugn John McCain's military record and credentials, to placate the left wing kooks at MoveOn.org and CodePink, which are his "base" (are you Husseniacs proud to be part of that bunch?). It's also hypocritical of Ashley Clark, when 4 years ago he begged us to vote FOR John Kerry because of his military experience. Now 4 years later, he tells us that military experience doesn't matter. What a joke.
Posted 10:53 AM, 07/01/2008
bon
The shot at moveon is especially cynical. When they put up the ad slandering Petraeus, Obama said nothing. Not a peep. When the Senate voted to condemn the attack Obama did not show up (despite showing up for both of the other votes that very day.) Now he really expects us to believe he is outraged and disgusted by the ad? How stupid does Obama think we are? (PS. Looks like Obama is pledging to expand Bush’s faith based initiatives. The cynical pandering from Obama continues...)
Posted 10:45 AM, 07/01/2008
chris duckworth
He has spoken about race. Now about patriotism. Today he is poised to talk about faith. What's next? Is he going to give a speech in an attempt to prove that he is human?
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