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Bob Ford: No shame in loss, but Phils' business unfinished

NEW YORK - There's nothing particularly unique or shameful about losing a World Series to the New York Yankees. It had been done 26 times before last night when the Phillies became the latest victim of the most decorated team in baseball history.

That doesn't remove the sting of coming within two wins of a repeat championship, but neither the 7-3 final score nor the six-game decision is any sort of embarrassment.

"They definitely deserved to win," manager Charlie Manuel said of the Yankees. "They did things right when they had to. We just didn't play as good as we can."

In the short term, there are some decisions that can be picked at like the carcass of a Thanksgiving turkey along about midnight. Sure, Manuel stayed with Pedro Martinez too long. Martinez was out there on guts and garbage from the first pitch.

But in all probability, the Phillies were either going to get a great start from Martinez or they were going to lose. Anything less than great and Manuel would have to start using his bullpen, and eventually he'd find the wrong guy.

Putting that weight of responsibility on Martinez was one of the postseason decisions that finally caught up with Manuel. He took rookie J.A. Happ from the rotation to bolster the floundering bullpen. Maybe it was the right move, but Happ turned out to be underused in that role and not terribly effective when he was used.

Martinez started two games of the World Series and lost both. He expended so much emotional energy on the first start - back in the World Series, matched up against the Yankees once again - that he seemed to have none left last night.

There's not much else to pick at. The hitters fell asleep with runners on base against CC Sabathia in Game 4, which looks now like the pivotal game in the series. Cole Hamels wasn't very good in his one outing. Ryan Howard set a World Series record with 13 strikeouts.

That's about it. The Yankees did win 103 games in the regular season, and they didn't do it with mirrors. If it is any consolation, the Phillies lost to a very good team. With a little better luck and a little better pitching, they might have won, but that was last year.

Beyond the short term, this Phillies team has another few years with its current core of players, but not much more than that. Ryan Howard turns 30 this month, and both Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins turn 31 during the off-season. Jayson Werth turns 31 in May.

History rolls on, and someday soon it will begin to judge this era in the Phils' team history. If this is the last World Series appearance for the current group, history will regard it with little more than a shrug.

Getting back-to-back World Series appearances is great, but beating the Tampa Bay Rays and losing to the Yankees would be a lot more impressive if the outcomes were reversed.

No, this team has to get into another World Series in the next few years and win that one in order to join the conversation of great teams. If the Phils can do that, if the front office can keep the roster together and add some pitching, they belong in the conversation.

"I think we're in a span right where the next couple years is going to be very important for us," Manuel said. "I think it's going to be our heyday. It's very important for the next couple years that we stay afloat."

If not, the current team will be lumped in among good but not particularly memorable champions. Teams like the Oakland Athletics of 1988-1990, which went to three straight World Series but could only win when the Series was interrupted by an earthquake. Teams like the Atlanta Braves of the 1990s, which went to five World Series but only succeeded in beating a forgettable Cleveland Indians team. Teams, for that matter, like the Phillies of a generation ago. They messed around for a few years, got to the World Series and won it in 1980, and slapped together one more run at the title in 1983, but lost in five games to a fading Baltimore team.

In Philadelphia, that first championship team walks on water forever, but in baseball history it was just one World Series winner during a stretch of 10 years (1978-1987) when baseball had 10 different champions. Teams came and went without leaving a deep divot in the landscape.

The Oakland A's of the early 1970s were a mini-dynasty and, a few years later, Cincinnati's Big Red Machine was in the same class. The Yankees of various eras also qualify. Had the Phillies won this World Series, vanquishing the Yankees in their brand new stadium, that might have done it for them. Now they have to come back, and if that adds to the motivation, all the better.

"I'll tell you something, we will be back," Manuel said. "As MacArthur said, I guess, we will be back."

It is a very good team, no question, but gaining the imprimatur of greatness eluded it over the last week. The Phillies still have a few years to reach for it again, to write their names in bold type before history. This group is capable of that, but the clock is ticking, even in a game that doesn't have one.

 


Contact columnist Bob Ford

at 215-854-5842 or bford@phillynews.com.


 

Comments   
Posted 05:41 AM, 11/05/2009
PhillyTrue
With good young players in the farm system and a tried and true nucleus this team will be back. Thank you Phillies for a great 2009.
Posted 07:03 AM, 11/05/2009
wooderice
Why, now, must beating the Rays be diminished? Sorry, but that's who the AL sent to the Series last year - after they beat the Red Sox in the playoffs that the Yankees didn't even make. Oh, right, that was $400 million dollars ago. I'm sorry the Phillies lost, but they've had two great seasons in a row and I look for more of the same in 2010. This is a wonderful time to be a Phillies fan. Get your head up!
Posted 07:19 AM, 11/05/2009
Kenny Junod
need some bullpen help. maybe look for a closer.
Posted 07:27 AM, 11/05/2009
CTL
I love this team, 3 straight division titles, 2 pennants, and a WS title. I think all Amaro has to do is get another starter to complement Lee and Hamels and some bullpen additions, and this team will be right back there in 2010. Thanks Phils for a great season - get some rest and see you in April!
Posted 07:33 AM, 11/05/2009
moramike
The most difficult part is just getting to the play-offs and then anything can happen. Playing in the pathetic National League, and especially in the ultra pathetic National League East, the Phils should have no problem getting back in 2010. Unfortunately, then they will have to play a real team.
Posted 07:34 AM, 11/05/2009
cgrant
Phillies are one good pitcher away from dominating baseball for the next few years. I wouldn't change a thing except that. I have confidence that Ruben Amaro will address this.
Posted 07:50 AM, 11/05/2009
SeanHB
The team ran out of steam. It's been a grueling 13 month. Give them a quiet, normal off season, get another starter in the rotation, get a bench player, get the bullpen in regular working order and they should be fine for another playoff run.
Posted 07:52 AM, 11/05/2009
gardner60
In spite of the great season the Phils have a lot of work to do. They a third baseman that can hit(in the clutch) and can hit more then 12 hrs in that park. Get Rollins to have quality abats . get a decent bench that can give the starters some rest. A closer . A pinchhitter who makes contact. I know this may not be popular but im still out on Lee as a dominant stopper. He was hit pretyy hard after his first five starts.He is a starter for sure but maybe his record with Indians about .500 might be closer to reality.
Posted 07:58 AM, 11/05/2009
NickFromGermantown
We had a great year and think about it this way. We are going to be an even better team next year. I can't wait for the Phillies to take their crown back!
Posted 08:02 AM, 11/05/2009
antmry312
The front office needs to reopen talks with Toronto for Roy Holliday as sson as possible. Imagine a rotation next year of Lee,Holliday,Hamels and Happ or possibly Drabek! And they still have most of their good young talent in the Farm System! Get Holliday and you are talking about a team that can rule the National League for the next 5 to 7 years!! And another closer would not be a bad idea,either!
Posted 08:18 AM, 11/05/2009
OUTOFTOWN
They are one legit #2 starter, a new closer and legit back end bull pen help away from winning again! Unless fate and a little luck tickles them as it did last year!
Posted 08:22 AM, 11/05/2009
SpeedBoyNP
What's up Phillies fans with the majority of you being satisfied with the Phillies 2009 campaign? Yes, they had a great season, but satisfaction only comes with a championship. I'm glad the team is more competitive than most of you. THEY WILL BE BACK, BET ON IT!!!
Posted 08:27 AM, 11/05/2009
phigglesfan75
I agree with wooderice. It's only diminished now that the Yankkees went out and got their "$400 million dream team". Tampa was clearly the best team last year. This year, the Yankees. It was a frustrating series b/c we've played better, but that is the game of baseball. The momentum shifted to the the Yankees when Cole's borderline pitch was called a ball. There are some good from the series. Lee's pitching, Chase tying Mr. October for HRs, and Jayson Werth. His play showed me a lot. I won't be able to watch Sportcenter today/tomorrow, but I am proud to be a Phillies fan. P.s. please sign Lee to an extension!!!!
Posted 08:50 AM, 11/05/2009
PattiA
All in all, I'd rather be a Phillies fan. Is there a better place than CBP? Watching the games in New York was like watching a mid-April game at Nationals Park. Now I know why the tickets for the WS were cheaper in NY. Best team money can buy, but NOT the best ticket in town. Go Phillies! Go Philly!
Posted 08:53 AM, 11/05/2009
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