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Letters: The readers rate SEPTA vs. the union

MY PARENTS are union members, and I grew up with a strong union support mentality. I found myself wondering why I was so angry at SEPTA, and why I wasn't backing the union in getting a livable contract.

I understood instantly, as Stu Bykofsky pointed out, that the public derision and scathing media attacks were based on jealousy and not rational thought. The strike didn't even particularly affect me - I'm one of your hated Center City cyclists. I finally realized why I didn't find myself supporting the strikers: Union labor is supposed to be a two-way street, quality labor for a living wage.

Part of why I bicycle year round is because of how much I detest SEPTA. My blood pressure rises every time I give them money. Certainly most of it is how they're run and their management, but a lot of it is their employees. They're horrendous. They're rude. They have no understanding of customer service. They flat out often don't do their jobs. (When was the last time you heard a bus driver announce a stop if the automated system wasn't there?)

It's hard to grow up in the Philly area and feel any sympathy for the union. If they did their part, despite poor management, I would have felt differently, but I found myself rooting for scab labor in hopes it might be quasi-competent.

Aaron Olk, Philadelphia

In an age when the common man's wages are rapidly declining at an alarming rate, it is more than appropriate for unions to fight bare knuckles. In fact, it is exactly the right time!

I was amazed at how many "working stiffs" were angry that the union fought for a fair contract.

But Byko was on point, it was jealousy. Instead of getting mad that the man just like you is getting a dollar more, why not direct it at those who are keeping your wages down? Who are using the economy as an excuse for pure greed?

I also felt the media was very unfair in the coverage, as usual. Wall Street titans pillage and the media ignores it. Blue-collar workers strike and the coverage becomes intense and biased.

Alan Harris

West Conshohocken

Stu, every dollar that goes to pay or pensions to a public-sector worker comes from a worker in the private sector. A SEPTA worker retiring now and starting his pension contributed 10 percent of the cost of the pension.

Workers in the private sector, who don't have a pension, contributed 90 percent of the SEPTA workers' pension. How is that fair?

Society doesn't work well when public-sector jobs pay more and have better benefits than those in the private sector. More and more labor is directed to the public sector, which leads to a drain in public finances. The higher the percentage of total jobs that come from the private sector, the better the economy. The lower the percentage, the worse.

Ian Griffiths, Philadelphia

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Posted 07:13 AM, 11/13/2009
pal
Ian Griffiths: "public-sector jobs pay more" ruining Society? - what country are you living in where these overpaid public sector jobs are? Not here in the US (unless your job is in the PA Legislature) - Seems like it was those Private-Sector corrupting Jobs on Wall Street that are Ruining Society - and the US Economy. -- Draining Public Finances seems to happen with things like an Unnecessary and Unpaid for War (for Oil Profits). Mr. Griffiths must be working for companies like Comcast - where they teach that monopoly of the private-sector is all good - for the privileged few investors. - The rest of society is Just Not-Entitled Enough to be Allowed a Decent Wage.
Posted 07:36 AM, 11/13/2009
obviousman#1
pal, go back to China
Posted 08:36 AM, 11/13/2009
Mark Chalupa
All of you who have decided to make being a Septa bus driver a career, when you get the job be sure to say thank you to the ones who went before you to secure decent wages and a pension. They are the ones who did the heavy lifting for you, and I hope you will do the same for the ones following you.
Posted 10:24 AM, 11/13/2009
joycefoxfeld
I am tired of feeling paralyzed every few years by fears or reality of a Septa Strike. I don't drive. I don't live close enough to a regional rail station, since I moved. Where I live now has two small dellis that keep short hours. I can't grocery shop with full sized supermarkets not being in walking distance from me. Does the Septa Union relize that most of us are unemployed, or have jobs with out unions, benefits, or pensions?
Posted 11:16 AM, 11/13/2009
longshanks
Pal, wah wah. Time to break and eliminate the unions and their death grip on development, commerce, and human evolution. Union goons are killing this city in particular.
Posted 11:46 AM, 11/13/2009
Down in the Basement
unions are ruining our US economy...
Posted 11:51 AM, 11/13/2009
jfar86
Why exactly is somebody with no skills "entitled" to a "liveable" wage, a pension, or nearly free health care? If you want to make a nice living, get an education. Take time to invest in yourself. Bus drivers should not be paid more than educated professionals. There is no defense for this. I'm not jealous of bus drivers. I'm angry that I have to subsidize their sloth and incompetence for fear that they will enact another reign of terror on the city, including burning training cars and endangering innocent citizens.
Posted 10:47 PM, 11/13/2009
Ben9
obviousman#1: Thanks for the laugh--China is now more capitalist than the USA. jfar86: Who told you union members "burn[ed] training cars"? Are you referring to the accidental heater fire on that 45-year-old rail car near Overbrook? Maybe you need to take your own advice and get educated instead of relying on street rumors and conspiracy theories.
Posted 06:58 AM, 11/14/2009
Fraz
jfar try and answer your own question. Why do Bus Drivers make more then educated professionals...Gee I dunno? Maybe it is because the educated professionals are underpaid? Why put the blame on the Drivers, put it where it belongs. No one forced these educated professionals to accept their benefits and salary. And to say that a Bus driver has no skills is just plain ignorant. I'm sure that they can't do you're job...just like you can't do theirs. It just amazes me how many people claim to be so educated on these forums and end up looking so stupid. Hey I just figured it out why bus drivers are paid so much...they have to deal with people like you every day...now that I just said that...I guess that they are underpaid.
Posted 11:17 AM, 11/14/2009
Marchus
Ian Griffiths is mistaken. The private sector does not pay for the public sector benefits nor wages. The private sector, pays a fare to get from A to B. What happens to that fare, how it is allocated, etc. is not directly linked back to the private sector. If that were the case, then every time Mr. Griffiths buys a Coke, he's paying someone's salary, benefits and more. This is called really stretching it. Mr. Griffiths should argue to his private sector employee and ask for a better pension, ask for better income.
Posted 04:30 PM, 11/14/2009
Fraz
Ian your logic is ridiculously flawed. You want to talk about private and public sector jobs? Think about this...some of the largest private companies in the United States get most of their work from the government. Boeing and Lockheed Martin are just a few of these as examples. Plus you have Fire, Police, Municipal workers, Utility companies...all get money from the government just like SEPTA o you can assume that they are all Public Sector jobs also. The you have all the little companies...the contractors that do business for these companies ...ex Septa gets money from tax dollars....they use those tax dollars to hire sub contractors...those sub contractors are now paid with your tax dollars. Those sub contractors buy material from a supply house...guess where the money comes from? That contractor uses profits from that job to pay back the interest on a loan from a private bank...guess where the money came from? You see...all you have to do is think a little bot before you make such statements to understand that not everything life is as perfect and as easy as fantasy land
Posted 01:24 PM, 11/15/2009
joedog
50 K plus for driving a bus and having a bad attitude is obnoxious. No wonder that China and India will have all the jobs in future. They admire and support education and its proponents. Not so our public sector; where menial jobs are well paid, because of political connections. Think about graffiti as Art; a dismal high school graduation rate; corrupt and ineffective local politicians; crime and indiscriminate violence in a dirty city that is in most parts unsafe and unlivable. 50 K for driving a bus. It fits the scenario. Vote with your feet and move. It is the only sane course.
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