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Charlie Manuel talks to one of his players taking batting practice yesterday at Citizens Bank Park.
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Charlie Manuel talks to one of his players taking batting practice yesterday at Citizens Bank Park.
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Rich Hofmann: Don't tell Charlie how to manage a game for Phillies

ON THURSDAY NIGHT, Fox analyst Tim McCarver gave it to Charlie Manuel on the telecast about a strategic decision in the eighth inning of Game 2 of the World Series, about not starting his baserunners in what ended up being a doubleplay. Yesterday, Manuel gave it right back.

"Actually, I get upset when somebody asks me that - because that's not baseball," Manuel said, his eyes widening, his blood warming. "I don't give a damn who's played 20 years or 50 years and think they know. That's not the right way to play the game."

Everybody who saw the game knows the setup: Jimmy Rollins on second base, Shane Victorino on first, one out, Chase Utley at the plate, full count. Manuel chooses not to start the runners. Utley hits into a doubleplay, although replays show he is safe at first. McCarver hammers the decision at some length, saying, "I don't understand why they didn't send the runners in that situation."

Then yesterday came the emphatic reply.

"You know what - I didn't have to think about that," Manuel said. "You know what - that's bad baseball if Utley strikes out and Rollins gets thrown out at third base. Or if we hit a line-drive doubleplay and we run into a doubleplay,

we've got one of the best hitters in baseball standing on-deck

[Ryan Howard]. Between Utley and Howard, we've got 80 home runs. We've got over 200 RBIs and things like that right there. That's our game standing right there in front of us.

"And, also, it's an out process there. It's an out-elimination process. We've only got five outs left in the game, we've got our biggest offensive threat standing at the plate. There's no way we could afford to make a mistake there. Those guys have to hit for me. I'll do that as long as I live."

Feisty, funny, steady as she goes - that was Manuel on the day after the Phillies' 3-1 loss in Game 2 at Yankee Stadium. If he is worried about anything, it is hard to tell. If he is intent on

delivering a message to his team that everything is fine, with the series tied at a game apiece and the next three games at Citizens Bank Park, it was a message he delivered with his wit and his

demeanor and with his actions, too.

There is no public panic, and, so, he announced that he will be starting Joe Blanton in Game 4 tomorrow rather than pulling Cliff Lee out of his comfort zone and starting him on 3-days' rest for the first time in his career. As Manuel said, simply, "That's really pushing him because he's never done it before."

There is no open worrying, even as it seems that more than just Greg Dobbs and Pedro Martinez have been under the weather. As Manuel said, drawing a laugh from reporters, "What the hell, we don't want everybody to know what's going on. You'll find out on your own, probably, but at the same time, I'm not going to tell you [who is sick]."

There is nothing that happened in Game 2 that irreparably harms anything the Phillies might have planned in their head about how the series might play out. The reality is that, however Cole Hamels pitches for them

tonight, the Phillies need to get to the Yankees' Game 3 starter, Andy Pettitte, or this probably isn't going to break their way. That has been the truth since the beginning.

A Hamels start reminiscent

of 2008 would be an enormous boost, but they need to get to

Pettitte. And it's funny. If they were guilty of anything in Game 2, it was being too passive against Yankees starter A.J. Burnett. They were patient the first time through the lineup, and they got his pitch count up, but they did not attack his fastball later on. That was the error.

Still, against Pettitte, Manuel said that patience will be the key. He said that Pettitte's stuff has started to "dwindle down," and that the Phillies' approach has to be selective and, "Make him throw the ball over the plate to us, don't swing happy."

"I feel good where we're at," Manuel said. "I'm sure [the Yankees] feel probably the same.

We're even. Now it becomes the best three out of five. We're at home, and we've played good at home, and this gives us a chance to get in front of our fans, and . . . our ballpark creates a lot of energy and stuff."

He has played his hunches all month and done it well. Hunches, gut feelings - Manuel has been the man with the golden gut. He has been criticized after both of Pedro Martinez' starts, both losses, but that has been it. And know this: Charlie Manuel hasn't changed. *

Send e-mail to

hofmanr@phillynews.com, or read his blog, The Idle Rich, at

http://go.philly.com/theidlerich.

For recent columns go to

http://go.philly.com/hofmann.

 

Comments   
Posted 04:26 AM, 10/31/2009
phigglesfan75
McCarver is an idiot. It is so easy to talk about thins with hindsight. Charlie made the right move, umps got the call wrong, but we've had calls go our way, so you can't complain...
Posted 06:07 AM, 10/31/2009
COskier
If McCarver says it (of course 10 times), it must be true. What a blowhard. And his repetitive use of "the reason for that is", as he goes into one of his stupid explanations makes me want to kick a hole in the TV. And that stupid tight smile that he forces for no apparent reason is sickening. Who's worse, him or Morgan?
Posted 07:01 AM, 10/31/2009
mmreadinger
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Posted 07:06 AM, 10/31/2009
stoky
McCarver also has the continually annoying habit of saying (as does troy aiken) "we talked about this at the top of the show". Well if you've already talked about it, don't talk about it anymore. That is all they do is talk..talk...talk.. talk. Let the game play out stupid. Give your brain a chance
Posted 07:41 AM, 10/31/2009
pkrainik
Right or wrong, I still worry about Charlie's in-game decision making and the impact on Phils winning world series. Longtime Phils fan but my biggest worry.
Posted 07:50 AM, 10/31/2009
Fritz and Alice
The Phillies lost that is all that matters. Both McCarver and Buck annoy me. They don't say anything original. Bring on game three.
Posted 07:51 AM, 10/31/2009
EJAY
Most of the time, Timmy just talks to hear himself. He rarely states anything of any consequence. I'm glad the Ole Ridgerunner put him in his place.
Posted 08:16 AM, 10/31/2009
Dave Clemens
I think Phillies fans are being unfair to McCarver. I'm a longtime fan and I agree with him about that play. McC didn't just second-guess Charlie AFTER the play, he said BEFORE the play that he should start the runners. So the guy actually called it right. Utley hasn't been striking out a lot recently, so the chances of a ground ball double play were greater than a strikeout-throwout. And a line drive, well, you can get caught off a base on a hard liner even if you aren't running. Charlie's sputtering doesn't change my mind. Anyway, most important, Go Phillies! And rain go away.
Posted 08:36 AM, 10/31/2009
Blueliner
The fact that McCarver said it before the play doesn't make it any better. Since the plate was apparently about 2 1/2 feet wide and the Yankees were getting the call on that outside "strike" to left-handed batters, the risk of getting Rollins thrown out at third is too high.
Posted 08:42 AM, 10/31/2009
wooderice
So what would have been the reaction if Utley strikes out and the runner is thrown out at third and Howard is left on deck? You had a left handed hitter, providing a good-throwing catcher a clear shot at the runner. I agree with Charlie. If Ray Charles weren't umpiring first base, Utley would have been correctly ruled safe anyway. Of course, the Yankees might have scored three more runs in their half, too.
Posted 09:00 AM, 10/31/2009
lehphillyfan
I usually turn the sound off when I have to watch the games on Fox. I can see what's going on; I don't need the comments of those two guys, which typically really annoy me. McCarver has always had a problem of overexplaining things- he'll explain something, and you understand, and then he keeps explaining, and pretty soon you become confused. He should just make his point, and then shut up, but he seems to have a problem doing that. It was Charlie's decision- it could have gone either way. And Utley was safe- I thought I could see it in live action, and the replay obviously confirmed it.
Posted 09:03 AM, 10/31/2009
brugre
All the never ending second guessing of every one of Charlie's decisions that supposedly "didn't work" has really gotten old. In addition to this one, which you can make a case for either way, the "why did he start Pedro" is my favorite. Pedro pitched extremely well and any manager would have been totally satisfied with that effort. But World Series or not, there aren't many pitchers who are going to get a "W" when their teammates score one run.
Posted 09:04 AM, 10/31/2009
EL Zorro
I agree with McCarver and Dave Clemens. Call McC annoying or whatever you want, the guy knows baseball. Didn't Carlton choose him to be his personal catcher over Bob Boone, a pretty good catcher himself? The reason this team doesn't win a lot of close games is the failure to play small ball, because Charlie relies too much on the long ball, like Earl Weaver. That situation illustrated. He has to realize that he is in the NL. You have to start the runners in that situation. Worrying about Utley striking out or hitting a line drive DP is managing not to lose instead of managing to win. Another decision that you could question was bringing Park to pitch to Posada when he had Happ warming up and had two other LH in the pen, not to mention the whole pen well-rested. You have to turn Posada around. First, it’s easier to turn the DP or freeze the runner at 3rd from the left side of the infield; second, Posada has become a pretty good LH hitter the last 4 or 5 years, hitting around .300 with power (did I mention that that LF porch is a joke, see the Matsiu HR); and third two of the next 3 hitters (Cabrera and Damon) were LH.
Posted 09:20 AM, 10/31/2009
lehphillyfan
I think this is all being overblown. The Phillies got outpitched, period. You don't win many games when you only score one run, and that one run was on a lucky flyball and a grounder that should have been handled by Rodriguez. It's still a stretch to assume that starting those runners was going to change the game. The Phils just didn't hit the Yankees pitching. They're in good shape. Go Phillies, get'em tonight!!!
Posted 09:24 AM, 10/31/2009
The Young Geezer
I sometimes wonder what the hell Chollie is thinking, then he surprises me by making all the right moves. GO PHILS!!! GO PHILS!!! GO PHILS!!!
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